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#1
10-23-2008, 06:15 AM
 Sharyn Silver Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: Melbourne, Australia Posts: 931
Free Energy Home Generator - Australian Invention

See website for more videos & info -
Lutec Australia Pty Ltd - Welcome!

or Click HERE for the full video (3MB Shockwave movie in a new window)
A TYPICAL LEA SYSTEM IS 440% OVERUNITY.
(See the LEA page)
This latest video is of a machine that was built independently of Lutec involvement. It demonstrates an efficiency of 240% and that others can successfully replicate the technology.

We have made adjustments so that the input and output are both DC. This means we are able to connect digital Watt meters as seen in the above video that measure in kilowatts the input and output. The Wattmeters are identical, this takes away many objections relating to the method of ascertaining correctly the input and output performance of the LEA.
The meter on the right of screen measures the amount of input power being consumed and reads 0.10 Kilowatts, in watts this represents 100 Watts.
The output meter on the left of screen demonstrates 0.24 Kilowatts. This means the output is 240 Watts.

The image at top right is showing the load applied in the form of light bulbs burning the 240 Watts. What this means is that the output over input efficiency is 240%.

This also demonstrates that if we put a number of these units together, or, build larger ones the output efficiency will remain at this level while the output figure will increase relative to the unit size or number of sections.

Love, Light & Blessings
Sharyn

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#2
10-23-2008, 12:01 PM
 rickoff Platinum Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: Maine, USA Posts: 3,218
Re: Home Generator

These videos have been on the Internet for quite some time, and the US patent (06630806) was granted 5 years ago, but Lutec still doesn't have a product available for purchase. It appears that the Lutec 1000 generator, which is supposedly capable of a 1000 watt output, is only capable of a sustained output at about 200 watts (about enough to power 2 or 3 light bulbs). And even at 1,000 watts output, that won't be enough to run a modern household. To learn more about the Lutec controversy, go here:
Directory:Lutec - PESWiki

Rick
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#3
10-23-2008, 02:25 PM
 braden Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 70
These Guys Sold Out

Product release date postponed indefinitely due to possible Transfer of Technology negotiations
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#4
10-23-2008, 03:17 PM
 wpage Silver Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: Stouts Creek Posts: 653
Interesting

Looks promising. Too bad these guys wont cooperate with testing standards to get it out there...
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#5
10-23-2008, 03:38 PM
 jibbguy Silver Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 987
Now it comes down to fake Legalese...

Lol, i have been wondering for months what the heck that means anyway: "Transfer of Technology"?

a) We got caught lying about our findings, and are now being sued by everyone within shouting and fist-shaking distance of this debacle.

b) We sold out and took the \$10 Mil from Exxon... Eh, sorry world: My wife's been nagging me for a new stick-built house ever since her sister got one, my mistress is complaining about how cheap I am, and I've always wanted a new Corvette. Besides, they never would of let us actually market this technology anyway.

c) We are trying to head-off serious patent infringement claims by merging with the other patent holder's company... But two egos this large cannot possibly exist within 1000 KM of each other without nuclear-like detonation.

d) The Pleidean aliens that gave us the technology in the first place decided we weren't worthy after-all, and refuse to help anymore... So we gotta complete it ourselves. Eh, can any of you guys explain to us how to use these darn oscilloscopes anyway?? (jk)
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#6
10-24-2008, 12:07 AM
 rickoff Platinum Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: Maine, USA Posts: 3,218

You hit the nail right on the head with that Jib. Some excellent humor, and certainly also some plausible scenarios you have outlined to put forth a few explanations. And certainly better than any explanations the Lutec folks have come up with so far. Whether or not their device can do anything truly useful, and at a cost that would be affordable to the average homeowner, remains to be seen. In researching the patent several months ago, I didn't see anything that hadn't already been introduced by others and already become public knowledge. Lutec's home page makes it clear that their motive is to line up investors willing to part with at least \$100,000, and few - if any investors - are lining up. That's quite understandable given the amount of controversy, including undeniably overstated claims, reluctance to allow independent scientific testing, and claims by Robert Adams of patent infingement. More on that here, in Adams' own wording: Aethmogen - Australian Adams Motor

I don't think we will be seeing the Lutec device, or any other such device, being made available to consumers (at a realistically affordable price) any time in the near future. Certainly the Internet abounds with examples of other such devices, but none (to my knowledge) that are being mass produced. What I would be more interested in hearing about, is an explanation as to what became of the Troy Reed "SURGE Technology" unit shown in the following video, which could be used for home power or to power an electric car conversion:
YouTube - ELECTRIC VEHICLE SURGE TECHNOLOGY NO BATTERIES NO GAS
Reed received a patent for his device, which can be seen here:
United States Patent: 5742111
The patent assignee is SURGE POWER CORPORATION of Tulsa Oklahoma, evidently a corporation formed by Troy Reed and actor Dennis Weaver.
According to Rex Research, Reed's latest Magnetic Motor is about 20 inches in diameter, weighs under 200 lbs, has only one moving part, and runs a 7,000 watt generator. Sounds good to me. Read the Rex Research article here:Reed Magnetic Motor

Best regards, Rick
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#7
10-24-2008, 05:30 AM
 ashtweth Gold Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 2,493
Great thought promotion there guys, one thing i have to add, is that despite their clams and lack of validation (which is why we need a centralized hub for this research for many obvious reasons).

I have seen guys who i am convinced had some thing in the past, but who have done as equally bad in business incompetence (for example Meyers Meyers and Pantone with shares -like Lutec is doing) So i have to keep an open mind based on that.

In other words, its a guess for me - They show all the signs of it being a scam, but so have others who have some thing. So mean time Ash lives not far from them and will sniff the out...

We have allot of GEET/hydroxy and other open source demos to show the public media next year, ill invite Lutec(they are not far from me) to come in and validate their claims. Dont expect them too tho.
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#8
10-24-2008, 02:14 PM
 jibbguy Silver Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 987
i don't think Christie is a scammer

Yes, there is rarely anything "black" or white" in my experience, everything comes in 256 shades of gray

Good luck getting in contact with him and his partner, M8... It is time they made some more statements and got some more info out there. As you have said in the past (and wisely so), these inventors are usually their own worst enemy. Unfortunately, the technology is so closely rapped-up with their personal credibility so that whatever human failings they may have can be the perfect excuse to discount the validity of it all. But when you consider that objectively, that is silly: The worst jerk on the planet COULD invent the perfect free energy device (lol and some think that has happened already ).

I just hope that they really haven't "sold out". But under an implied or real serious threat to limb and family... What would each of us do? It is hard to judge others until we walk that walk. And with such a possible scenario, would it not be the threateners who are the bad guys, and the inventors the victims?

"Selling out" has one possible positive aspect: If a corporation would spend millions to shelve something, it must be of worth. Positive proof of such a sell out would at least point the way for more Open Source study to replicate. Remember: Any corp that shelves a major breakthrough would commit public relations "suicide" by suing someone for patent infringement
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#9
10-27-2008, 09:25 AM
 Pehan Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Kristiansand, Norway Posts: 3
Lutec

Hello good people. This is my first post!

I just like to contribute my thoughts on Lutec. I have been in contact with the two guys who run this project; mr. Lou Brits and John Christie, in an attempt to license their technology. I received a power point presentation with some insane numbers in them (sums in the several hundreds of millions - before delivery of anything), and we sent a few emails back and forth, and then nothing. They just stopped replying when I wanted to know a little more about what I could tell potential customers about their technology.
I will not call them a fraud just yet, but like so many have said before - they have all the tell-tale signs of being one. I was very disappointed, as I really thought this could be it.
Time will show I guess.

Peace
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#10
10-27-2008, 10:01 AM
 ashtweth Gold Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 2,493
EBM want millions to license to
These guys are almost as greedy as the oil companies

They need to live in the NOW. Not tomorrow. Pretty soon they will have a financial crash and lets see how useful their money is then
End of my complaining
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#11
10-27-2008, 01:06 PM
 Pehan Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Kristiansand, Norway Posts: 3
Quote:
 Originally Posted by ashtweth EBM want millions to license to These guys are almost as greedy as the oil companies They need to live in the NOW. Not tomorrow. Pretty soon they will have a financial crash and lets see how useful their money is then End of my complaining
Yes! T2K is coming! lol But seriously I agree with you, we need to take control of this, and have viable technology out for everyone NOW!
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#12
10-31-2008, 05:01 PM
 monsterman Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 22
a hong kong company is working with it now. i forget the name but there is a link in lutek. I have no idea if it works or not but a hong kong company has it now.
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10-31-2008, 05:03 PM
 monsterman Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 22
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#14
10-31-2008, 06:09 PM
 Peter Lindemann Gold Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Liberty Lake, Washington Posts: 1,127
Lutec: a Short Story

Hi Guys,

While I'm sure there may be other points of view on this, here is mine, having seen the whole thing unfold over the years.

It starts back in 1992 when ROBERT ADAMS published plans for his motor/generator in Nexus Magazine. About 6 years later, Lutec shows up with their first prototype of Adams' system, claiming to be the inventors. Adams immediately went ballistic, claiming both priority and intellectual property theft. Adams lived in New Zealand, and Lutec was in Australia, so there wasn't much Adams could do except complain.

The first Lutec machine used BRUSH COMMUTATORS and apparently worked. At that point, they started raising money. But, not being the inventors, and not really understanding the technology, they immediately thought they could go to solid-state switching and everything would just scale up easily. OOOPS! For years, they were "right around the corner" with their big, shiny, power plant...that never worked. Their US Patent is granted for a simple commutation system, not a power supply.

After 4 years of total failure with the solid-state circuits, these geniuses finally got the idea to go back to what they had stolen from Adams in the first place. Voila! The LEA is born, sporting a fancy, new.... BRUSH COMMUTATOR!!!!!

The rest is recent history... leading to the deal with EverGreen. But even the EverGreen site is over 2 years old. They just have a little "bot" that plugs today's date into the top of the page, but really, nothing has happened on that site in over a year, either.

The moral of this story is: "People who steal aren't smart enough to do it right in the first place."

Robert Adams was a genius and a good friend of mine. His passing was a great loss to the FE movement. He is sorely missed.

Peter
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#15
10-31-2008, 06:41 PM
 Joit Gold Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 1,992
Hello
Is'nt that the whole Pain at the Story?
When you now really got a working Device, some others come, and put a Patent in it.

Like this German Guy, George Soukup.
Build a working Model with Setups seen by Dietmar Hohl and other Free Energie Sites.
Claims now himself as the big Researcher from Magnetism,
and try to build a bigger Motor now, to put a Patent on it.
Shame on him and over Germany, as usual.

Your own work is ruined, and i can figure you loose Mood to working on it.
And the Patent will prevent other Peoples to working on it.
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#16
10-31-2008, 10:32 PM
 monsterman Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 22
why didnt robert adams patent it?
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#17
10-31-2008, 10:38 PM
 monsterman Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 22
Quote:
 Originally Posted by Peter Lindemann Hi Guys, While I'm sure there may be other points of view on this, here is mine, having seen the whole thing unfold over the years. It starts back in 1992 when ROBERT ADAMS published plans for his motor/generator in Nexus Magazine. About 6 years later, Lutec shows up with their first prototype of Adams' system, claiming to be the inventors. Adams immediately went ballistic, claiming both priority and intellectual property theft. Adams lived in New Zealand, and Lutec was in Australia, so there wasn't much Adams could do except complain. The first Lutec machine used BRUSH COMMUTATORS and apparently worked. At that point, they started raising money. But, not being the inventors, and not really understanding the technology, they immediately thought they could go to solid-state switching and everything would just scale up easily. OOOPS! For years, they were "right around the corner" with their big, shiny, power plant...that never worked. Their US Patent is granted for a simple commutation system, not a power supply. After 4 years of total failure with the solid-state circuits, these geniuses finally got the idea to go back to what they had stolen from Adams in the first place. Voila! The LEA is born, sporting a fancy, new.... BRUSH COMMUTATOR!!!!! The rest is recent history... leading to the deal with EverGreen. But even the EverGreen site is over 2 years old. They just have a little "bot" that plugs today's date into the top of the page, but really, nothing has happened on that site in over a year, either. The moral of this story is: "People who steal aren't smart enough to do it right in the first place." Robert Adams was a genius and a good friend of mine. His passing was a great loss to the FE movement. He is sorely missed. Peter
if it works did any one build one for there own home use?
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#18
10-31-2008, 11:21 PM
 Joit Gold Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 1,992
Adams had for sure some Patents on it, but, not sure, how it is, when you have the patent, how you arrange the Magnets, or put on the Coils, like Tom Bearden did.

Maybe someone did build one, but only dont make ot public.
I think, there is not someone here, to say, i got one.

One more Word to Geroge Soukup.
Here is his hard research for Magnetism.
Video is added at April, he claims since Sept or something.
YouTube - Magnet Motor - Calloway V Gate : 02
He looks anyway more like someone, wo is paid from someone, but No, i stop beeing rude
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#19
11-01-2008, 12:09 AM
 monsterman Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 22
Quote:
 Originally Posted by Joit Adams had for sure some Patents on it, but, not sure, how it is, when you have the patent, how you arrange the Magnets, or put on the Coils, like Tom Bearden did. Maybe someone did build one, but only dont make ot public. I think, there is not someone here, to say, i got one. One more Word to Geroge Soukup. Here is his hard research for Magnetism. Video is added at April, he claims since Sept or something. YouTube - Magnet Motor - Calloway V Gate : 02 He looks anyway more like someone, wo is paid from someone, but No, i stop beeing rude
i seen the utube video before. has any one tryed to replicate his test?
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#20
11-01-2008, 04:01 AM
 jibbguy Silver Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 987
@Peter,

Adams had many designs; could you pls point us towards the one that the Lutek system was based on?

And... Congrats on your new venture!! It sounds very promising
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#21
11-01-2008, 06:25 AM
 Peter Lindemann Gold Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Liberty Lake, Washington Posts: 1,127
All I have...

Quote:
 Originally Posted by jibbguy @Peter, Adams had many designs; could you pls point us towards the one that the Lutek system was based on? And... Congrats on your new venture!! It sounds very promising
Steve,

Over the years, I spoke with Robert on the phone dozens of times. I have in my files scores of letters from our personal correspondence, copies of all of his books, reams of test results and dozens of color photos of his working machines and test set-ups. Unfortunately, I never got over to New Zealand to see him demonstrate his machines before his death. We planned for me to visit him for years, but I never seemed to have sufficient resources to make the trip. It is one of the great regrets of my life.

I wish I knew the answer to your question, but I do not. For this, I am deeply sorry. Of all the people I know who knew Robert the best, I would say Tom Butler knows the most. He visited Robert a number of times in the 2001-2002 time frame, and even sold small working models of Roberts motors here in the States about 6 years ago. If anyone knows, its Tom. He used to have a website called www.ButlerLabs.com, but it is no longer current.

Here is a link to the archived site: * ButlerLabs.Com Alternative Energy, Free Energy News

Peter
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#22
11-01-2008, 12:00 PM
 ashtweth Gold Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 2,493
Despite all this note that Evergreen (Lutec deal) has experienced some suppression.
Evergreen Amplifier
Cant happen in a public research and development center for this SPECIFIC technology
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#23
11-01-2008, 03:17 PM
 jibbguy Silver Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 987
I've heard other's say that the brush commutator adds energy into the system by chemical combustion of the alloy in the brush itself. But this explanation sounds rather strange, as the amount of energy thus produced could not possibly match the COP>4 or >5 claims (at least by my understanding of it.. if so some laws of chemistry need to be re-written ).

So could it be simply traced back be our old friend; DC spikes coming from the commutator (harvested as collapsing coil energy/aetheric energy)? And the rest of the circuit being a highly efficient Lenz-less motor arrangement? If so then those spikes are producing much more energy that we have seen in the past (the possible exception being some Tesla Switch-like devices with mechanical switching.. Which in over 20 years are not replicatable either it would seem). So imo the actual motive energy behind these devices (Lutek, EverGreen, even Adams...) are still, really when you think about it, "unknown".

It is frustrating to only ever have questions about these devices, and never hard answers. And the frustration is like that which comes from seeing a friend continue to ruin his/her life with drink, drugs, or gambling.

If anyone reading here is involved in the development of these devices: Note that this is your best, and perhaps only, chance of meeting with success... Let us REPLICATE IT ("us" being the Open Source community). Otherwise no one is listening, and skeptics will continue to swarm you (and the closer you come to success, the greater will be your obstacles to getting these technologies marketed). Please note that the credibility factor of these particular devices are now shot... You cannot constantly miss dates and break promises without consequences (...this is not the commercial electronics manufacturing world lol, and for better or worse you are held to a much higher standard). There is only one way to repair your credibility, and only one way to get the devices out to the public. Otherwise, even the most gullible, dreamy-eyed optimists (such as myself lol) finally decide that your claims are bunk. We have shown patience: You have not rewarded it.

You wanna be a millionaire hero?... Show us something. We can help you achieve that goal
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11-03-2008, 02:49 AM
 ashtweth Gold Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 2,493
Jib, is not only an open source engineer but also can write really well, what a show off

Jib check out Stefan's info from them,. (OU forum), when i spoke to him on the phone he actually told lutec what the problem was for their comuntator or some thing, i distinctly remember being blown away from what Stefan said, he of cause used his experience with Newman and others.Stefan is actually not a bad engineer IMO.

Ash
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#25
11-03-2008, 03:04 PM
 Pehan Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Kristiansand, Norway Posts: 3

I believe that Adams released his patens to the public domain, and that's why he was furious that the Lutec people tries to patent his technology. I don't have the link ready, but I think I found it off of the PESWIKI site. I read Adams very thorough walk through of the Lutec technology, comparing it to his own and others' work.
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#26
11-03-2008, 03:44 PM
 jibbguy Silver Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 987
Right-on Bro

Yer right-on about Stefan Hartmann, m8, he is brilliant and a font of info on literally thousands of free-energy subjects. He also has all the personal bonafides in research and replication as well (which m8, despite your kind words, i do not ).

And i believe Stefan is one of the proponents on the alloy of the brushes being converted to energy, and supplying at least some of the COP> there. And in that case, he would also appear to believe the laws of chemistry need to be re-written (and i would not bet against him on that ).

But lets look at that a bit, in that if this Lutek device (the earlier one in the famous Aussie TV news video) is producing, say even 1kW (less than he claimed there), then the idea of 1.2kW (with .2 looped back for self-operation) coming from the brushes is kinda bizarre. We would think something else must be doing it. On the motor side of it; permanent magnet rotor, cleverly ripple-pulsed electromagnet windings ala Adams.. Coil collapse pulse recovery to combat or eliminate BEMF... Could contribute to the general output as well. But to take Mr. Christie at his word there, COP>5, would mean success way beyond any other documented Adams replication before or since. Is there something unique about his generating coils as well? Damn, wish we knew lol.

Lets look at what the brushes do; act as mechanical switching to turn on the stator coils at the proper timing, one would presume from other similar designs (or as Adams did anyway). Are the coils amplifying the large spikes coming from the commutators into useful energy??? Possibly these spikes can even power the coils themselves?

Why bother with these useless speculations? Lol good question....

There is a very old and oft-retold story from the late 50's -early 60's about a military technology think-tank and research group that brought in several young and highly intelligent scientists for a new secret project, and then showed them some movie film (no video in those days lol) of a supposedly alien technology that could power a small personal rocket-pack of some type for manned free-flight (the story is not very specific on the technology). The military then gave these young scientists the mission of replicating it as quickly as possible. Of course these young geniuses were at first frustrated that there wasn't any hard info, and snorted at the military's "ignorance" of the realities involved in creating a whole new technology from nothing but speculation. But... for 2 years they struggled and worked day and night, and tried many different angles and new technologies (some of which didn't work for the rocket pack, but proved useful in other projects later). And eventually, despite having nothing to go on but the certainty that it had been done before (and therefor was not "impossible"), finally the scientists had a rocket pack design they could show their masters... And one that worked very well.

So after this successful initial development phase was over, and it was all mainly engineering work after that; many of the scientists moved on to other projects. Several years later, one of these met-up with one of the military men "masters" who was also involved in that rocket-pack project... And over a beer they talked about "the old days". After a bit, the military man chuckled, and told the stunned scientist this:

The alien technology film was a fake: There never was a rocket pack BEFORE THE PROJECT CREATED ONE.
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11-04-2008, 02:53 AM
 ashtweth Gold Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 2,493
Yup good points about Stefan , well your still welcome to come into the shop and get hands dirty regardless any time man

Haha, yeah i heard Stan Deyo say a similar thing - he said never underestimate the power of the mind, - He said they got an actor and scientist in once -they got an actor some where to come in and he then flew off and then crashed(in the film), they said to the scientist, now we need you to figure out how he did that.(flew not crashed lol)

After the scientist figured some anti gravity, they were sat down and the actor walked into the room, and smiled. They were told that because of the scientific dogma they have, they had to show them this fake, or they would of never thought about anti gravity as being possible.

I am waiting for the people who endorse the "secret" to come in and hi jack this thread now LOL(law of attraction). One thing they the fony military stories and the secret proved tho.Never underestimate an aggressive marketing scheme
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#28
11-04-2008, 06:52 PM
 jibbguy Silver Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 987
Thx for the invite ;)

I would love to make it there Down Under and get hands-dirty But at this point, sailing my little '22 boat there ala Tristan Jones would take about 10 months (if i survived lol).

Plus, i have recently gotten involved in a project here regarding tide power.. We are hoping to field the first of several 5 kW turbine generators, anchored in the channels between Keys where the tidal flow is concentrated and highest, within 2 years (...if we get our Grants from the State of Florida). It's not "F-E", but it'll due for now until you guys finally get it right lol (jk). And at least i get access to some good equipment

The design of this one is fairly unique, with magnetic bearings and centerless turbine impeller (to allow fish under 5" to transit without damage). If anyone out there knows anything about tidal gen installations, pls contact me via PM; we need some correlating graph data from other systems to help go towards "general viability" grant requirements... This is a not-for-profit project and any help like that would be deeply appreciated Lemme warn you guys: Writing Grant Requests is a whole 'nuther world!!

BTW M8: In the interest of "disclosure" lol, that jet-pack story originated from a short-story published in one of the old Sci-Fi magazines like "Amazing Stories" in the late 50's. Somewhere around here i've got the reprinted story in an anthology. There is some popular lore about it in the Sci-Fi world: The rumor is that the author was a U.S. government scientist using a pen-name, and that the story was actually true. After all, that is the time period when the first rocket packs were built, so it is possible (they became de-classified around 1964).
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#29
11-05-2008, 09:52 AM
 Ozicell Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 121
I have personally seen this machine

Hi Guys,

Well I guess I live in the right place. I have actually seen this machine in it's early stages....................nooooo, I haven't seen it working. But at least it exists, working or not.

Cheers
Ozi
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#30
11-05-2008, 07:18 PM
 monsterman Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 22
Quote:
 Originally Posted by Ozicell Hi Guys, Well I guess I live in the right place. I have actually seen this machine in it's early stages....................nooooo, I haven't seen it working. But at least it exists, working or not. Cheers Ozi
why did you not see it work?
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