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Old 09-17-2008, 09:48 PM
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Hi Guys,

Reading and learning as much as I can here, but still know very little about electronics. Please ponder this:

The bigger the "Inductor", the bigger the "Inductance", correct?

Example: On Page 25 of this document http://free-energy-info.co.uk/Newman1.pdf Joe Newman states that if we take an air coil of 40 gauge wire , 1000 feet long, and having a resistance of 1,049 ohms, then pulse a 100 Volt, 95 Milliamp current to it, that the resulting inductance would be .003 henries. No big deal, right?

But then he goes on to say, that if we take that same 100 Volt, 95 Milliamp current and put it into a much larger coil, say 5 gauge wire, measuring 3,348,000 feet, to EQUAL the EXACT same resistance as above of 1,049 ohms, that the inductance is now a phenomenal 8,000,000 times greater, or a whopping 25,700 Henries!

Patrick Kelly also states on Page 22 of this document Practical Guide to Free-Energy Devices - eBook Download "So, just to get it straight in your mind, when you make a battery, the chemical action inside the battery creates a Plus terminal and a Minus terminal. Those poles actually distort the universe around your battery, and causes vast streams of energy to radiate out in every direction from each pole of the battery. Why doesn't the battery run down? Because the energy is flowing from the environment and not from the battery. If you were taught basic physics or electrical theory, you will probably have been told that the battery used to power any circuit, supplies a stream of electrons which flows around the circuit. Sorry Chief - it just aint like that at all. What really happens is that the battery forms a "dipole" which nudges the local environment into an unbalanced state which pours out energy in every direction, and some of that energy from the environment flows around the circuit attached to the battery. The energy does NOT come from the battery."

Most of the people building motors on here are probably just going to try and hook it to a generator anyway for some type of electricity generation.

So..............my question is this: Why aren't we just pulsing larger coils????
Why do we need motors, spinning magnets, spinning wheels, rotors, brushes, commutators, etc.

Wouldn't it be simpler just to pulse larger coils with a chip or oscillator?

Obviously, the example above with 3,348,000 feet of 5 gauge wire (and weighing 335,469 pounds) is a little extreme, but what about 10 pound coils, or 20 pound coils, or 50 pound coils?

What about wrapping some coils of wire around that car sitting in our driveway or garage that never moves. Would the iductance created be the equivilant of a much larger coil?

If any of this sounds viable, what would such a circuit look like? Anything like this?

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that is the same that bearden was saying across 20 years, the energy doesn´t come from the battery at all.

I think that nobody has understood that principle.
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The energy does NOT come from the battery.
So its simply... a gate?
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I do not believe the issue to be of a principle or not knowing, it is the people who are at fault. The unwillingness to change, also enforced by the corporate world is keeping things as they are. In order to utilize PWM (or any other form of energy different from today's AC current) all appliances need to be re-engineered, not just the power sources.

And yet, most members of the so-called Free Energy Community are spending insane amounts of time, money and resources, imho, trying to find this "Holy Grail" of "free energy" just so they could convert it back to the present AC current and power their appliances. That is so asinine and plain WRONG.

If anything is to change we *must* re-design everything, source and the destination, otherwise we are trying to push a square peg through a round hole which will not work.

I have written about this on many occasions on different forums, and frankly been very disappointed at the lack of response or interest. Same goes with this idiotic obsession on hydrogen generation and hydrogen powered cars that some people have, but that's a different rant for another time .

My conclusion is that everyone is simply playing into the hands of the power lords, knowingly or not, by maintaining their status-quo through adhering to the old ways. Perhaps when these generations of people die, we might see a new one one day with a different point of view - one of willingness to radically change things for the better.
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"What really happens is that the battery forms a "dipole" which nudges the local environment into an unbalanced state which pours out energy in every direction, and some of that energy from the environment flows around the circuit attached to the battery. The energy does NOT come from the battery."

...But where's the proof of this? I'd love to get some free environmental energy from some battery terminals. Honestly ... "a "dipole" nudges the local environment into an unbalanced state" What the heck is that supposed to even mean (from a scientific perspective)?
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Old 09-18-2008, 03:38 AM
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Exactly!

DavidE..........yes you can call it a Gate! You can also call it a Switch. It is well known that we are all living in a sea of invisible energy, all we have to do is open the Gate (or flip the switch) to access it :-)

Gre.........don't shoot the messenger (LOL). I highly recommend reading the two attached documents to those statements, especially the first one from Joe Newman.
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In order to utilize PWM (or any other form of energy different from today's AC current) all appliances need to be re-engineered, not just the power sources.
Although it is true that all appliances should be remade, it's not exactly practical to replace every electronic device in you house. Unless you're rich or something, you'd be pretty stupid to try that instead of finding a new way to power the devices you already have.

It's bad to expect someone to change one thing in their lives, and tones more difficult to expect them to change hundreds of things they will ever get around that one thing.

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Same goes with this idiotic obsession on hydrogen generation and hydrogen powered cars that some people have, but that's a different rant for another time .
Ok, I think I can sympathize a bit more with this one.
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What really happens is that the battery forms a "dipole" which nudges the local environment into an unbalanced state which pours out energy in every direction, and some of that energy from the environment flows around the circuit attached to the battery. The energy does NOT come from the battery."
A dipole is something that has been polarized like a magnet, a battery is polarized (+)(-)thus an electric current polarizes the whole circuit. The local environment is full of radiation from our sun and every star(suns) which people call "radiant" energy because it is radiated outward to earth filling all space and matter. When something is polarized it could be seen as being under stress or tension which interacts with radiant energy producing electric and magnetic fields in and around matter. In this case we could say energy as we know it is as much a property of the space surrounding polarized matter as it is to matter itself, you cannot seperate the two. LOL, We have not come much further in our understanding of nature than a couple hundred years ago when man could not figure out what air was, that invisible stuff we breath that makes the wind blow. We are so self-centered, It's kind of funny when you think about it
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A dipole is something that has been polarized like a magnet, a battery is polarized (+)(-)thus an electric current polarizes the whole circuit. The local environment is full of radiation from our sun and every star(suns) which people call "radiant" energy because it is radiated outward to earth filling all space and matter. When something is polarized it could be seen as being under stress or tension which interacts with radiant energy producing electric and magnetic fields in and around matter. In this case we could say energy as we know it is as much a property of the space surrounding polarized matter as it is to matter itself, you cannot seperate the two. LOL, We have not come much further in our understanding of nature than a couple hundred years ago when man could not figure out what air was, that invisible stuff we breath that makes the wind blow. We are so self-centered, It's kind of funny when you think about it
i was watching energy from the vacuum part 5 and bearden mentioned that a magnet is a dipole. i was very happy, for some reason, due to this:



(walter russell electrical explanations from various places)

so, is what i heard out of eftv5 and understood as this correct: that a magnet is a dipole with a field that comes from the bloch wall continuously, i.e. a steady field that constantly replenishes itself, and that by disturbing the balance of this field by "breaking it" "making it asymmetric", one can tap the flow of the field trying to re-establish itself?



i hope one day there'll be a little article with someone connecting all this, the high voltage low current, and HV spike battery charging and VAR/reactive power stuff together so that it finally makes some usable sense.
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I think Walter Russell was waaayyy ahead of his time. Once you get your head around his theories, (and his unique way of describing them), thay make a lot of sence.
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Wow, inmeasurable quantity of responses to this thread. Invaluable information here. I love this thread.

As everybody know, one can extract the dipole of a magnet moving the magnet trough a coil, the transformation takes place and the invisible power becomes visible power , real electron current. The transformation is: the virtual photon flow on the magnetic field of the magnet collide against the field of the free orbital electron in the copper atom, producing the movement of the electrons in the copper wire.

In order to do this one has to expend Work moving the magnet towards the coil.

But one can simplify this extracting the power from the magnet disturbing the field of the magnet, and produce scalar amplification, and capturing the resulting scalar flow of energy into a coil of copper wire.
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When you got a dipole you got the energy, the actual circuits are designated in order to destroy the dipole by simply re order the ion and give the death to the life/dipole that Russell shows.

Dipole is life, energy, is matter, when you destroy the dipole you loose the energy , the life , the diference in potential, you go to hell.

When the illusion is alive , the dipole is putting electromagnetic energy in all directions , when the illusion dies, the result is Absolute vacuum in an absolute state of quietness/rest and in an absolute state of darkness, that is death, as the death of the human forms is the same.

I'm going to keep the illusion , i don't want to die, i love life.

Universal entropy is destroying the dipole, when the dipole of the universe is lost there is no more universe, nothing. Kelvin has said that.

I´m going to keep the dipole.
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But one can simplify this extracting the power from the magnet disturbing the field of the magnet, and produce scalar amplification, and capturing the resulting scalar flow of energy into a coil of copper wire.
Hi,

Could you show or refer to a circuit that does what you say above?

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The MEG for example, and the solid state oscillator with the magnet inside the coil
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i have conducted various experiments, and the results showed me that when the magnet is placed inside the coil, the voltage increase in the charging battery, that is the difference between back emf and free radiant energy.

The heaviside flow, one must understand.

Another difference is: back emf is showed on the tester/multimeter, and free radiant energy is not showed on the multimeter, only the oscilloscope shows that "scalar wave".
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In the Bedini , One can extract more energy from the virtual particle flux placing a better coil core in C form or U form and putting another wire in the part of the core that has no wire , with a north south magnets configuration and bipolar sequential Ron Cole John Bedini circuit without energizer/trigger coils , and charging another battery not the same battery.

The motor / generator patent with the flux converter of Bedini.
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Hi,

Many thanks for your replies. In fact, what I really meant with my question was a practical and working circuit which is by all means can be built as an overunity device and what you can experience as a smaller input power from you the user and a higher than this input power as a result i.e. COP>1
For instance I input 10 Watts and I receive 25 Watts from the device and this 25 Watts (either electrical, mechanical or in heat form) is measurable with conventional means. Several devices you have mentioned 'produces' overunity in batteries for instance, so to say seems to improve the 'chemical well-beings' of batteries. On the long run however such batteries treated by the 'effect' simply gets ruined, not to mention using batteries at all is not a green-friendly solution.

You mention MEG too but unfortunately I cannot consider it to qualify for my above hopes, for as it is described in the Bearden et.al. patent it simply cannot give COP>1. I built it...

So this what I meant with my first question. I can only hope one day I find the answer in the form of a device I can also replicate and measure as having a COP of higher than one.

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Hi, i think that you don't build the MEG as is ,

A simple solid state oscillator with a big magnet inside the coil , when the coil self oscillates "is connected" to the vacuum flow and the coil receives all the heaviside flow and plus amplification of the vacuum flow.

I have built every Bedini generator, add more turns in the coil get the thing working, because it is overunity.

I cannot consider you a serious researcher, the thing works, i proved myself , put a magnet in a Bedini SG when the coil is generating a sound wave with a 1k or more resistance on the trigger coil, 1º put the meter in the charging battery, when the magnet is inside the coil, and 2º put the meter when the magnet isn't inside the coil , compare the results, the discharging rates of the primary battery , and the charging rates of the secondary battery. Cop>1

I think that bad science and bad procedures are not good. My Bedini Sg sucks, and have 0.98 cop.

A motor/generator that i have on my head is overunity, but i think, that the people is not ready to this and i will keep my silence

From the radiant wave you are not going to obtain REAL CURRENT, forget about that, but you can engineer this in order to convert it to real current in a battery or a capacitor.

If you don't put a big primary battery, you don`t obtain nothing, forget about the simple motor fair science generator with 9 volts battery.

If no $, no energy, if no real dedication , no energy.


Did you see 1985 generator? The dc motor with the alternator and 555 circuit.? What do you think it is?

Never i have seen a correct replication of that systems, the people are rebellious and egoist, they want to do this as they think is better and they fail.
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This thread is getting a little weird. I knew what a dipole is, but the terms used in his statement are so "imaginative", and "out there" .. that 20 different people will come up with 20 different ideas of what he meant. "nudging the local environment" .. What does he mean by this? If 10 people PM'd me the answer would they all say the same thing? .. I doubt it.

According to Bearden, you can convert pure potential from a single wire into usable current/energy (or something similar to that) ... Yet .. I've never seen or heard of anyone doing this, to me it sounds like pure speculation. Sorry to be so skeptical.
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nudging the local environment


Where the virtual photon lives? The virtual photon lives in the matrix, the active virtual photon is flowing, is pure vacuum flow, it is the space , the nothing. That is why the enviroment or the vacuum put his matrix pieces flowing when the switch is on.
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I consider myself as a happy man, because i have understood what Bearden was saying in the video and the book, and what other physicist were saying.

The dipole is the potential differential/the voltage, when you connect the dipole through one wire in order to put the dipole to do work, that dipole interchanges energy in the enviroment of the wire in every moment in every nanosecond.
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According to Bearden, you can convert pure potential from a single wire into usable current/energy (or something similar to that) ... Yet .. I've never seen or heard of anyone doing this, to me it sounds like pure speculation. Sorry to be so skeptical.
I built the single wire setup last year I can light a cfl over 50' away with a single wire from a tesla oscillator-- too easy.I started by getting a circuit from Dr.Stiffler at OU.com and lit a few LEDs with one wire 20' away, Then progressed to bigger and better oscillators. Go to the Dr.Stiffler thread at OU.com and you will see a great deal of people have been doing this for quite a while. You can load up a single wire with many lights and the input current does not budge one mA. Then go to the Imhotep thread here where one person is lighting a cfl with one wire.
Now ask yourself one question---Why didn't you know?
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A very wise man who taught me many things once said "you cannot build what you do not understand" and there lies an undeniable truth.
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Canadian your response is awesome, you have great power.


Imhotep method is similar to Tesla self oscillating coils, the circuits self oscillates and the coils connect to radiant aetheric streams.

You have to believe.
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Ok... lets do a little experiment. This will be completely anonymous.

Please PM me the answer (scientific as possible) to this: What does he mean by:

"local environment into an unbalanced state which pours out energy in every direction, and some of that energy from the environment flows around the circuit attached to the battery"

This will be my last post in this thread, since it's going off topic. Sorry 'bout that.
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Ok... lets do a little experiment. This will be completely anonymous.
Please PM me the answer (scientific as possible) to this: What does he mean by:
"local environment into an unbalanced state which pours out energy in every direction, and some of that energy from the environment flows around the circuit attached to the battery"
This will be my last post in this thread, since it's going off topic. Sorry 'bout that.
Im sorry to hear you won't be posting, I was enjoying the debate
You know a person named T.H Moray who developed a 10,000 watt generator powered by radiant energy once said---
"what is the truth when the truth is unacceptable"-- he also said
" I cannot prove anything to anyone who cannot first prove the matter for themselves"---words of wisdom
Im not sure what I can tell you, If you want the right answers go to the source, all I can give you is my interpretation which I think you may find unacceptable.In any case im off to work I will post my answer here in a few hours.
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The thread is not going to anywhere, is not going to off topic, currently is on topic.

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What really happens is that the battery forms a "dipole" which nudges the local environment into an unbalanced state which pours out energy in every direction, and some of that energy from the environment flows around the circuit attached to the battery. The energy does NOT come from the battery."

The environment is the space between the particles, because there are vacuum spaces between the charged particles, disturbs the local passive virtual photon that is the space between the charges and the passive become active, that is the virtual photon is flowing and creates a magnetic field in the proximities of the wire while the electrons are flowing trough the wire, the flow of energy in the proximities of the wire is the local unbalanced state.
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In other words:

The battery dipole makes an electron flow through the wire but the electrons on the wire forms a dipole with the vacuum space proximities, that is the electromagnetic field in the proximities of the conductor.

Other words: the electron flow does work over other charges in every moment in every time while is "travelling" trough the wire on the proximities of the wire.

Classical particle physics

Nikola Tesla and Swami Vivekananda
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My answer: From the some of greatest minds I know of Tesla and Moray.
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Dr Nikola Tesla said over 60 years ago: "Ere many generations pass, our machinery will be driven by a power obtainable at any point if the universe… throughout space there is energy. Is this energy static or kinetic? If static our hopes are in vain; if kinetic --- and this we know it is, for certain --- then it is a mere question of time when men will succeed in attaching their machinery to the very wheelwork of nature.

Enough energy is coming to the earth to light over 1.5 million (1,693,600) 100-watt lamps for every human being on the earth today.

The process of electrifying a conductor is, therefore, the storing of energy in some way in or around the conductor in some medium. The work is spent in altering the state of the medium, and when the particle is discharged, the medium returns to its original state, and the store of energy is disengaged.

The work in producing the electrification of a conductor is spent on the medium and stored there, probably as energy of motion. To denote this we shall say that the medium around the conductor is polarized, this word being employed to denote that its state or some of its properties have been altered in some manner and to a certain extent depending on the intensity of the charge.

When a resilient substance is subjected to strain and then set free, one of two things may happen. The substance may slowly recover from the strain and gradually attain its natural state, or the elastic recoil may carry it past its position of equilibrium and cause it to execute a series of oscillations.

Considering oscillations from a mechanical, electrical and mathematical point of view, we find that electrical resistance is the same as mechanical friction and current is comparable to mechanical velocity. Inertia and inductance may then be considered analogous terms.

In the vibrational forces of the universe, we find the key to the source of all energy.

Energy has a definite elastic or resilient rigidity and density, which is subject to displacement and strain. When strain is removed, the medium will spring back to its old position and beyond, surging back and forth, and will continue to oscillate until the original pressure is used up. If the internal impedance is too great, there will be no oscillations, but it will merely slide back in a dead beat to its unrestrained state.

In the universe we see the same laws being obeyed as in our laboratories. As one traces down to the almost infinitesimal constituents of the atom, one finds that matter does not exist at all as the realistic substance which we have supposed it to be. There at the very foundation, it consists of nothing more than energy charges emitted at various wavelengths or frequencies. It is becoming more and more certain that the apparent complexity of nature is due to our lack of knowledge. And, as the picture unfolds, it promises a marvelous simplicity.

It has been agreed that all forms of matter are vibrating at a particular rate of frequency. And, so it is with the various forms of energy ---heat and light, magnetism and electricity. These are but forms of vibratory motion connected with and being generated from the same source, the universe.

There can be no generation of electrical current and no kinetic energy if there is no disturbance of equilibrium, i.e., change of potential or change of energy levels.

When a vibration of any kind strikes a boundary between two media of different vibratory impedances at an angle of less than 90 degrees, a transformation of the vibratory rate may be changed into another vibratory rate.
To put this in "scientific" terms I believe a dipole (a polarized state) a stressed condition alters the frequency of oscillation in matter. This frequency shift effects the space surrounding the dipole---this space is filled with radiant energy, that is radiations covering an infinite range of wave periods (frequency spectrums). The conditions (energy level) of the dipole would determine the extent and properties of the interaction with the energy present in the space surrounding the dipole, action/reaction. When we speak of energy we are speaking of motion and this motion is oscillitory in nature--vibration of matter or space in the form of radiation-wave period. Therefore what we call magnetic and electric fields are not something in themselves they are a condition of something--the space surrounding a dipole, the condition being a change in the rate of oscillation of radiation in this space producing observable and measurable effects. It is interesting to note that both magnetic and electric fields follow the inverse square law. To deny that effects in matter cannot effect the space surrounding matter is to deny both the conservation of energy and action/reaction, the very foundation of science. To say there is no energy in the space surrounding matter is to say energy as radiation cannot exist thus cannot propagate through space. It is the ultimate paradox, to put it simply the energy to form a dipole changes the conditions of the space surrounding the dipole, this change in condition is a change in the rate of oscillation of energy already present surrounding the dipole, if this change in the rate of oscillation (energy) propagates following the inverse square law how can all of the energy be in a circuit? We are speaking of energy as oscillations changing frequency relative to it's distance to the source dipole, as it changes frequency it changes state---back to its original form---radiation. In this case the energy present in any given magnetic or electric field would be many times greater than we have assumed. If the field surrounding a dipole is a gradual transition of rate of oscillation from magnetic or electric nearest the dipole to ambient radiation farthest from the dipole we could be speaking of a very broad frequency spectrums covering very large areas of which we have utilized only a fraction.
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