@Aromaz, Terima kasih . I realize that you must know Indonesia when you work at Bakri company, I download all of your video .

I'll try to find the component you mention, thanks . I currently have Toshiba 3055, I guess I have to find the better one before start experimenting the solid state version.

About the 4 leg relay, I mean that I don't think we can modify the 4 leg solid state version like we can do to mechanical version. I think the solid state relay that Inquorate mention is somekind of optocoupler.

I have been thinking of utilizing some kind of solid state relay, looking for candidate like MOSFET, IGBT, thrystor, SCR, etc. But all of them seems to work as switch on device with no contact for self trigger. We have to use external oscillation for trigger. I have 4 leg optocoupler which I try to make it self oscillate, failed.

The best example of self oscillating solid state would be your circuit. Can we charge battery using 2N2222A+2N3055 circuit?

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@sucahyo
We are Bakri Cono and not related to Bakri of Indonesia. My partners are Saudi.

Yes, on solid state will be difficult, though you can get them to oscillate in LC circuit, then branch out form there. Sounds like you are familiar with electronics.

For the beginning and to get into this, you can also use another cheap 4 pin relay often used in washing machines or on pumps. In fact you can use just about any relay; I find all are working, will just need to play around to get them self oscillating.

Toshiba is OK, but it does need ground kick-start to base of 2222 all the time.
Else the Toshiba actually gives higher frequency and better light, though sometimes a bit flashing. Good enough to start with; if you already have them. Toshiba is anyway the cheapest 3055 in Thailand!

There is charging to the battery, however my circuit has a problem there.
You will have to use the basic Bedini circuit and charge back from the transistor......
Only, then you can not use the ignition coil from where back EMF is way out too strong and transistor blows in seconds.
On my circuit the energy gets too high and parts like resistor and diodes are just getting useles.

For instance I have now a unique 1,000 Volt Diode - and still the BEMF just goes right accross it (as in over/around/outside...), same with whatever I tried from 4001 upwards. NOTE: Accross; it does not even stop the energy nor gets warm from trying to block it......

I have the circuit completley isolated from coils by spark gap as well as HV germanium diodes; then after a few minutes anything in the ciruit becomes to HV charges it sparks 8+ mm - even on the casing of the battery! All this time the HV from ignition coil is not connected to any part of the circuit or battery - it is only going to a set of tubes far away from the circuit with no return to battery or anything else - one wire out only.

There are two kinds of electricity -
A) the usual one which is dependant on electrons and which are passed inside a conductor. No conductor = no energy

B) Radiant which is not restricted nor limited by a conductor. I don't think we will be able to capture this monste in a 'cage'; at best we will have to use it on the run and might only be able to capture his tracks or results. This I find to date can not be restricted by diodes, resistors and is not storable in the capacitor either. In all cases it just goes 'around' or through whatever is in it's way. I am still studying this phenomena - THIS is the energy I am targeting.

I will clip another short video today with the HV effect that are not where they are suppose to be. BTW - in this testrun I will use the Toshiba 3055's

Eagerly awaiting that video Aromaz...

Tonight I'm making a power supply. I'm going to use a bridge rectifier from mains to get dc, then potentiometers as both a voltage divider and current divider. Also, going to use resistors from same mains to power a small meter, with a switch to measure amps and voltage from the first circuit... Will post video on separate thread :-) came to the idea after I lost step down transformer and realised pc power box was stuffed

@Aromaz, thanks, how little my knowledge is, never realize that there more than one company named Bakri .

I just know the basic in electronic, so I still do a lot of mistakes. I made a charger version of Imhotep Circuit (still don't have the neon and car coil yet) which can add 0.2 Volt an hour to almost dead 12V battery. It run quietly without capasitor, just a small buzz, so I leave it on for hours. But I fried a 0.5 watt speaker spool just now, thinking that it can make better EMF. I remove the magnet from the speaker, install it in parallel with the relay coil. When I turn it on, a lot of smoke....

I also wonder how this back EMF work. I tried it to use it in electrolysis but failed. At least I can make a variable current limiter with the relay:
YouTube - simple pwm from relay

I notice some shock in the coil part when I touch it. Almost felt like wall electrical shock. I also think that no diode can prevent this shock, I try to place it anywhere but still feel it. This is also the reason I ask if experiment using 220VAC relay and 220VAC electricity is safe to other electronic device currently attached to the same wall outlet. I became more cautious when reading that Shiva computer power supply died for unknown reason.

If transistor dies easily using solid state, I guess doing experiment with mechanical relay is safer / cheaper / more reliable.

Would the HV scattered everywhere too if the circuit is made closed?

Would the radiant energy can be stopped with coil? Maybe a coil before collapse point to protect component. Or this coil would increase the back EMF instead and destroy the component more? I still curious to know what happen if we use huge air core coil before collapse point.

I think you will fry the potentiometers if current draw is high. At least that is what happen to me when I try to divide HHO generator voltage with 1 Watt resistor, smell of burn......You can utilize PWM as voltage divider by varying duty cycle.

Here is schema that I found Joe Tate: Ambient Power Module That does collect radiant energy. And actually it does work. I did put it quickly together without doing much of tune ups and it was charging caps. Even so it's doing it very slow, but no power supply connected.
Instead of antenna I was using ignition coil. And if in near proximity you will turn on Self oscillating Ignition coil you will notice how quickly it will start accumulating charge.
I think it should be hart of any radiant energy collection schema

@ Sucahyo - you were right. Flames, yellow (ugly) sparks, fuse box blew. I'll get a step down transformer tomorrow

@Vortex / Ren - Tanks for the reference to video with compasses. I saw a similar test long time ago; but forgot about it. In fact that was a bad mistake. Today I made some very interesting findings with that simple test.

Have video 027 and 028 ready to upload. 4x failures due to 'unknown reason' Think it is congested, maybe they need some laxative.
Will do in the new morning.

Back to using the basic system - to learn more.

In video #027 I show how there are sparks (High voltage) all over system, regardless of diodes. Then starting with compasses to show current in lines.
In video #028 I complete the compass demo and go on to using two coils near/next to each other and using neon bulb to point high voltage in rest of system

In both these videos keep few things in mind:
I am not targeting wireless nor spark size.
The purpose is just to see:
A: How widespread is the high voltage,
B: Effects of diodes to prevent HV to circuit
C: Magnetic field around system
D: Secondary coil can enhance energy from main coil and environment.

Neither coils are tuned nor in oscillation - purposefully not 'controlled'.

Air antenna and earth rods - with capacitors.

I stand to be corrected and it is very possible that I am wrong - completely off my track, crazy and ready for certification. Please do not kill me - yet

I dare say they are not related to RADIANT energy.

I tried two similar systems/circuits. One very closely related to Tesla. Currently still have the later on line at the farm. I have long antenna - 100 meter East/West and 100 meter North/South, both 6 meter above ground, four earth rods 4 meters deep and one antenna on each pole - additional 2 meter vertical. All come together at control point with separate wires.

YES, I do get with multi-meter only -
- From N-S antenna 220 mV
- From E-W antenna 192 mV
- From vertical antenna around 120 mV each
- From Earth rods 370 to 485 mVolt.

I can charge my mobile phone on either connection. Combined and running through diode and caps they charge 400V 47,000 MFD capacitor up to 184 volt; takes around 3 hours, can light a 6Vx 1.5 Watt incandescent torch light for about 17 minutes.

BUT: Does not capture RADIANT energy. That is static, earth fields and energy from radio/microwave/satellite. In my case I can often get a frequency - dead on 50hz which is what we use in 220Vac Thailand. Yes, pulsing High voltage will charge capacitors - but that is provided you have a current flow. If it was pure Earth electromagnetic it would have frequency somewhere between 8 and 14 hz.

Radiant energy is somewhat different.

Energy from the earth is magnetic related - rather electromagnetic. I am near to say with proof that RADIANT energy is NOT magnetic at all. Further my suspicion is that Radiant energy is of very high frequency - probably more than 7 kHz, most likely around 3 to 5 GHz. In matter of experiments I found that I do not need earth wire to ground at all. I just need an 'earth' wire around like antenna - but lower level than circuit if not right under my table.

PLEASE DO NOT CONSIDER THIS AS AN ATTACK ON ANYONE!!! It is rolling ideas around and comparing notes!

.........On the weekend I made a monster capacitor, six copper sheets, 0.5mm thick 24x24 cm square, nice rounded edges. All separated by 3mm lead glass 30x30 cm - high quality and all 'laminated' together with transformer oil, then placed in bowl filled with transformer oil. The stack was 30x30cm and 25mm thick.

Test charged with standard automotive setup: 12v battery, coil, capacitor (Condensor), point gap in V6 distributor, rotated by electrical drill. It charged up to 1,000V - which was max my meter could read. No corona, no leaks, no discharge - and one BIG BANG of a discharge when shorted remotely. How much MFD? I do not know, my m/meter unable to read.

Connected to circuit - blue corona everywhere through glass - no charging - but definate shock when touching on wire edge :~(

I wish I had your wallet, and your time :-) and I'd have to agree with you, if for no other reason than 'it' feels right'...

I can't sleep, for want of my brain watching the device I dreamt up for dmonarch on Bifiliar winder thread.

We'll see what a few more glasses of wine can do.

Do you have any pictures? Sounds great

Aromaz. I agree we are here to discuss ideas not to fight.
But then let’s define RADIANT as we understand it. As I understand any emitted energy is RADIANT energy would it be pure magnetic waves, electromagnetic, light, heat or radio waves.
H. Moray was using regular antenna and radioactive salt to receive RADIANT energy. Testatika collecting static charges and converts it to electromagnetic waves (It means that static and electromagnetic waves are related). And there are many other ways to convert other kinds of energy into electromagnetic without using mechanical devices.
May be I'm wrong but it is the way I understand it. I would appreciate if anyone will give their understanding of RADIANT energy.
Aromaz and all, my respect for all your efforts and sharing your thoughts

@mlurye : What aromaz means is energy that is available everywhere in the universe (As described also by Tesla) provided by nature and not as a result of human activity (radio waves, microwaves mobile phones etc). These antenna chargers just convert microwaves to voltage.

Until now i was convinced that the frequency of the sound that the CFLs emit is directly proportional to their brightness. However i have run into this
exception now, where touching the CFL decreases its frequency by 300 Hz, BUT lets it shine brighter (Hard to see in the video). I really dont understand
this, it makes me wonder how the sound gets actually created.

YouTube - brightfreq1

The circuits are amazingly sensitive to just little changes as pointed out by aromaz in his great comparison of different transistors.
Since i have placed a crystal in the lower half of the ignition coil, the circuit won't react as it used to before doing that.
That seems to be a sweet spot for placing objects like the solenoid coil that was dicussed here too.

A small friendly challenge for you Aromaz I think Magnetism is all there is, everywhere. The dielectric is its home and electricity is its by product, the effect which we see under given circumstances when current is allowed to flow via short circuit. This is not how we see it conventionally, people see electricity as running through the circuits inductor and creating the magnetic field. I see the magnetic field that is everywhere given a path through a battery or circuit and it manifests itself as electricity. Pure radiant is pure magnetism, potential without current. I think you are correct on its speeds, maybe not exactly, but close enough to give the general idea.Tesla, Bedini and others have shown us all the transients that appear in the system when inductors are switched on and off sharply. That spike is there, and it preceeds current flow. John has always said that the current kills the radiant.

My definition of magnetism may differ somewhat from others, Its important I think to ponder this for ones self, and Im not talking about magnets. Thats probably the first thing that pops up in peoples heads. Discussions welcome

I have noticed that when the sound disappears I get the best results.
It might be the circuit is tuned to silent resonance, maybe we are hearing beat frequency oscillation when it is out of tune.(one note beating on another)

Carl

@All: Still having failures to upload videos again. Keep on trying.

@Inquorate; My wallet is small. I hope to get a special allowance from end Jan so this can go a bit faster. Only big advantage I do have is time, yes. Basically I am on this project more than 12 hours each 7 days of the week. Videos I do show are only portion of the activity and not including all experiments.

@Jetijs: Will post photo when I get my still back. HV spiked it last week.

@Ren: Challenge accepted. Until last week I would have agreed with you 100%. Now I have doubts. I think there are different forms of energy and – YES almost all are magnetic related, but I do get a notion there is something else too……

@mlurye: It might be we are using the same word but talking of different things. Correct – Radiant is that which is ‘emitted’, flaring away. Strictly speaking it is even the light from CFL.

First of all: I am still posting this here, but I think it would be better to split off since this will now go off topic seriously. I also do intend to move all my related work to new topic. Lets us keep this for the Radiant Oscillator.

Aromaz Radiant Energy Joint Research Group

Please join me there? If it works I will be happy. If not or objections - then we continue here.

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I think it is time for us all to sit together and get definition out on these energies. Maybe if we do this exercise we will come to realize the different forms of energy. This will be a community project and we will all need to contribute our pennies here. Let us try to get a list establish first:

A: Magnetic
B: Light
C: Electric
D: Gravity
E: Nuclear – Strong
F: Nuclear – Weak
G: Radiant
H: The elusive one: Vacuum /Aether

It is very possible that the ultimate energy we think we are getting might not fall in any of above
– or it might be a combination or it might only be a ghost!

Any more to add, or some to take off and join?

If we are able to put all our knowledge of each item together and we can properly define each with their properties – then maybe we will also be able to better understand the research we have to do?

Yes, we should refer back to the standard and alternative descriptions; but we should also consider the possibility that here are other options and the high probability that some of the old notions are in fact erroneous.

I learned last week that even Einstein's famous E=mc2 Relativity Theory - the foundation of science for 103 years - is now challanged and it seems there are universal conditions that defies this application.

@mlurye, very interesting. That look easier to do than other version. Some of inventor of early nineteenth, including Tesla use giant orb at very high altitude. If I recall correctly around 20 feet in diameter. Some inventor mention that there is potential difference of the earth and a couple of feet above it.

@Inquorate, be carefull.

@Aromaz, I still amaze with how the back EMF can fool the amp meter. My first experience is when it show zero current for my electrolysis cell when in fact it still produce bubble. The second one is just now when I probe disconnected negative with only one wire from the amp meter. The digital amp meter show current of more than 1 Amp even when the input is about 11mA.

Isn't radiant energy is static energy? Or do you meant to say that it is RF energy? But since it looks very similar to device in one of Tesla patent where he call it as radiant energy. Even if the antenna is different I think it is safe to call it as radiant energy.

What will you do with that big capacitor?


@hh1341, maybe your circuit reach oscillation to unhearable frequency.

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You may be right.

At my age I'd be lucky to hear over 18 kHz .

Carl

Video's on line at last:

Part 1: YouTube - Aromaz 027 - Back to basics HV Everywhere Part 1
Part 2: YouTube - Aromaz 028 - Back to basics HV Everywhere Part 2

Not in this video yet; but also had diode on base of 2222 with cathode towards 2222.

Various different frequencies depending on position - A or C and also depending on length of antenna / earth. Another aspect noted is sometimes I have full 2 mm spak on the Anode side - from just 50 cm antenna wire. That is very weird because clearly the 2222 is drawing - pulling -energy from antenna - enough to make 2 to 3 mm spark!!!!

Experiment with air core coil (8 ohm 0.5 watt speaker spool) after relay coil resulted in lower charging rate. With air core coil in serie current draw is 11ma, during charging voltage is 0.4V plus battery voltage. Without air core coil current draw is 11.5, during charging voltage is 1.5V plus battery voltage.


@Aromaz, That is very interesting.

If you have time and feel that it is safe to do, can you try the experiment like the picture I post bellow. It is a modification of your circuit where coil is added to made it work closer like original Imhotep circuit. It may be able to charge a battery. One thing to be afraid of is the back EMF may damage all the transistor.

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@ Sucahyo - Input current 11mA, one lead from meter to circuit, other lead free, meter showing 1 amp, right?

I'm thinking of gotoluc's series LC tutorial video. The neon lights up when circuit in resonance. Only one leg of neon connected to coil / capacitor join. Other leg connected to one side of alligator clip, other clip unconnected. Neon lights up cause clip wire is aerial.

Perhaps your 1 amp reading was correct, and disconnected meter lead was an aerial, so actual current. Could you share a video of that? Perhaps put neon is series with meter?

Must take note of these 'odd' readings, and investigate anything weird and out of ordinary :-)

Yes, here is the video:
YouTube - replication of Imhotep Radiant Oscillator - amp at open loop battery terminal

When in closed loop the battery charged at 3mA. Unfortunately I still don't have neon for experiment right now.

BTW, watch out when touching open terminal, always expect some serious shock if you are grounded. I already "tried" it repeatedly, maybe because I use computer power supply and my other hand pivoting on power supply case when turning it on.........

I still don't use car coil yet, but the voltage already painfull enough. Scary to think what it felt touching the HV output of car coil in this circuit.

Inspired by video by Aromaz, I try to measure the current behind a diode. After diode there is always about half the original current, no matter what leg the diode connected to. Either in forward or reverse direction, the current coming trough the diode is always half the original current. The current fluctuate though, so I can not measure precise amount. But this would still mean that diode do nothing to prevent back EMF propagation.

Since the diode reduce the current, the diode in original design may be best put at negative side of the battery, not at positive like currently used.

Another note, the current will be lower if the negative part of amp meter is grounded or touched. Current will be higher when I put the amp meter higher. I don't notice any charging with one wire only.

I already did. See my posting #9 on:
Aromaz Radiant Energy Joint Research Group

After reading the postings and experiencing the HORROR of having experiments not replicate because of transistor inconsistencies, I decided to look back at why transistors work in the first place. I found this video posted on Youtube by AllAmericanFiveRadio. It helped me understand a few things. Specifically how the 2n2222 is working. The video goes into triggering it by touching it with your finger and rubbing you foot on the carpet. It also shows how you can amplify this signal by a resistance between the base and the collector (bias). This is very very basic stuff but important to remember.

YouTube - One Transistor Amplifier Demo

This is what I did next. I built a simple 2 transistor (2n2222s) CFL circuit. It has a 33 turn ( no reason for the number except to honor Mr. Tesla) wire loop around the base of the ignition coil to get a feed back signal for the first 2222. To control the input to the circuit I used an "adjustable step down switching voltage regulator" that dropped the supply power down to 4.5 volts at 20 milliamps ---enough to keep the CFL on dim. The battery source is 8 AA 1.2 volt 2000mAH rechargeable cells. It has been running for 26 hours now and I expect it to run a long long time.
A Very interesting experiment for the little 2n2222. The little engine that could. I'll name him Casey Jr. " I think I can. I think I can. I think I can".

YouTube - Small Transistor CFL table candle

Lidmotor

One Transistor Amplifier Demo
And LID, are you really sure you still need that coil in the circuit
I think you can .. I think you can .. ah ..

You know......... 2 identical sounds will cancel each other out if they are 180 deg out of phase with each other.

Carl

Good for you Lid. You've shown some initiative again and figured out some stuff for yourself

I was going to post this earlier but I never got around to it.

Darlington pairs.

"A typical modern device has a current gain of 1000 or more, so that only a tiny base current is needed to make the pair switch on.

A drawback is a reduction in switching speed, because the first transistor cannot actively inhibit the base current of the second, which makes the device slow to switch off. To alleviate this, the second transistor often has a base resistor of a few hundred ohms[1].

The Darlington has more phase shift at high frequencies than a single transistor and hence can more easily become unstable with negative feedback (i.e., systems that use this configuration can have poor phase margin due to the extra transistor delay).


A Darlington pair can be sensitive enough to respond to the current passed by skin contact even at safe voltages. Thus it can form the input stage of a touch-sensitive switch."

Hmmm. So that is why touching the base of the transistor turns it on.

Take note of the above comment regarding switching speeds. Rembering that the highest voltage potentials in the ignition coil will come with the sharpest on and off we can provide. There is some room for experiments with the above recommendations I feel.

Also note that John Bedinis circuit employs 18k ohms of resistance from the collector of the transistor directly to the base

So perhaps we should experiment with bias resistance on the base of the 2222 and variable resistance between 2n2222 emitter and 2n3055 base. See if it gives us a sharper "off".

Also, maybe we should try another transistor? Aromaz originally had 3 in series didnt he? Perhaps 2n2222 > 2n3055> mjl21194. And for those interested in researching it further check out the "Sziklai pair"

@ Carl. You know that the maximum potential between two equal tesla coils are when they are 180 degrees out of phase from each other?

For those that live in the states can I suggest trying some of these?

Tesla Coils, Plans, Parts, Kits

Im interested in the mini tesla lighting machine. Specs say 12v 300ma input, 40 to 50kv output, which is probably double the output of the ignition coil. Id be interested to see how it is setup.

Also this one Universal High Voltage Modular Power Supply....

The micro mini mite looks good too, probably needs a bit more current considering it comes with a 12v 1.5 ampere step down transformer for 120vac.

Also, something else to consider is this. Does higher output voltage give more light? You would think so yes? So what about voltage multipliers? We are going to need some pretty sturdy diodes for that, but it isnt out of the question....