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Old 12-28-2008, 04:42 AM
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I got ribbed about doing too much talking...

@Aromaz, sorry it was a link from a page nat posted a link to on gray tube thread.

It's down the page a bit, the guy was a quaker.

See you's all when I've done some experiments
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I tried this circuit and did see a considerable reduction in current when touching the CFL lamp from about 40mA to 20mA. However, the lamp was dim either way but did not reduce when touched. I tried to get the lamp to a practical brightness but the current always shot up. I eventually blew the transistors.

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Hi Hoppy and Lid.

Interesting that you could get it working Lid with the CFL looped back into the ignition coil. I only got it to work when the globes were off 1 wire. And removing the second coil ceased the oscillations. Hoppy, I saw the same thing. Low amp draw is all good and well but if there is little illumination what is the point. I could get it really low, but the light was dim too.

@ Mutten. If you look inside the h11d1's package you will note there is a small npn transistor there. This is hooked up in a darlington configuration to my 2n3055. The base is triggered by the opto switch, which is on the other side. This is connected to my PWM. The PWM wasnt used in my above schematic, hence there is no triggering of the h11d1 conventionally.
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@ Aromaz lidmotor ren bodkins xenomorph and newbies who's names I don't remember yet:

what about a coherer? Will a coherer (iron filings in a sealed glass tube) turn 'on' with 12 to 24 volts? if so, will the current then charge a capacitor to ground (will get to infinite resistance for a dc current) until a resistor becomes a better choice, and current flows (thru ignition coil primary) to an electromagnet coil which creates a strong enough field to ground to knock out the coherer...

Using a variable cap and pot / reostat would change the timing.

I have everything to try it but the iron filings (which would take a long time to make enough to almost fill a glass eyedropper tube), and just wondering if anyone thought it would 'cohere' at low voltage.

Just thinking. Couldn't sleep.
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@ Aromaz lidmotor ren bodkins xenomorph and newbies who's names I don't remember yet:

what about a coherer? Will a coherer (iron filings in a sealed glass tube) turn 'on' with 12 to 24 volts? if so, will the current then charge a capacitor to ground (will get to infinite resistance for a dc current) until a resistor becomes a better choice, and current flows (thru ignition coil primary) to an electromagnet coil which creates a strong enough field to ground to knock out the coherer...

Using a variable cap and pot / reostat would change the timing.

I have everything to try it but the iron filings (which would take a long time to make enough to almost fill a glass eyedropper tube), and just wondering if anyone thought it would 'cohere' at low voltage.

Just thinking. Couldn't sleep.
What is THAT? I was on my way to bed .....
Now on the way to Google!
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[QUOTE=Inquorate;39907....... coherer (iron filings in a sealed glass tube) ......[/QUOTE]

OK, got it. But I can save you a lot of elbow work!
Get steelwool - those things women use in the kitchen to scrub pots and pans - sometimes ---- the very fine one, not the rough scourcher.

Grind it by rubbing together - or IF you dare, use 's
a blender while she is out to shooping........

Still following up on how to what the effects might be
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BTW - on my original circuit - for those still playing with it.

I am also a bit tired or resoldering 3055's all the time, so I used many diodes all over to try and see how the 'flow; is.

Strange observation, might clip video later.

A: Sometimes flow is away from battery POS, next time again that does not work. Change the diode around - and working with flow (diode arrow) TO POS of same battery.

B: HV Probe (Have 5Kv) without spark gap jumping - emitter leg of 2222 circuit goes to 640Vdc (860 hz) - only connected to 24V Dc battery, and have 4007 diodes connected to both battery terminals. Steady sine wave. The HV from coil is only going out to fluorecent tube with coil wind around which is connected to 4 CFL's. Earth not connected anywhere.

C: Exactly same setup, but use earth to kickstart spark over gap (0.8 mm) then the scope goes crazy with 2.54 kHz frequency and 1,600 Volt - on emitter leg of 2222. Still steady sine wave - but crazy with many spikes. In other words - this is then going to the other 3055's on Base - BUT only in some cases. Other times it is steady low at 20 to 30 volt.

Now going to sleep, think and dream - and read about 'cohere' in bed. Will be back tomorrow to continue this seeking of the reason behind tranny failures..
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Aromaz I have the 2n3055 need time to setup for you rep. try one wire charging Aromaz?
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Running on just 2222s

@ Aromaz,Ren, Bodkins,Inquorate,Nat, Hoppy,Xenomorph,--others

@Ren -- I did more testing with your 2 transistor circuit. I pulled the 2n3055 and ran it on two 2n2222s. Yes -- I burned em up but I had a bunch so I did not care. I ran a test at that very low amp draw/low light and did it using a bank of super caps instead of a battery. At 40 milliamps or less the little 2222s hung in there pretty good. This circuit will go into a low light strobe effect and run on almost nothing if the base of the first 2222 is just connected to a short clip lead. Touching the clip lead or connecting it to earth ground makes it go into the 40 milli amp steady light mode. I think that this is a feed back effect. Maybe the coils setup the resonance. The scope waveforms were compound but the dominate one had a tall spike with a little squiggle at the end.

@Aromaz---I have also been playing with diodes in different places and think that there is a way to protect the transistors from back spike burn out by putting the right one somewhere in the circuit.

@Inoquorate & Bodkins----The earth ground and antenna are still a puzzle for me. Now that I have a scope, I can see what they are doing to this circuit but how to best use the effect is the question.

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Coherers work with only low voltage?

Or maybe I can fiddle with construction to get one to work with higher voltage...

What's interesting is on this page the guy says he thinks a spark gap up to 20ft away causes a bit of current in the coherer which turns it on...

Could be a good indicator of radiant energy.

Homemade Coherer.
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Aromaz I have the 2n3055 need time to setup for you rep. try one wire charging Aromaz?
Richard you do weird things and you get weird results. Last time I heard a similar sound was the police pulling me over for speeding!

Yes, I did try one wire charging before - and two wires. No charge.
As in one of my last video's the energy just leaks right out of the capacitor casing as corona - and I used diferent ones.

Since we know somehting of the radiant energy now, I doube that we would be able to collect that in good form into a cap or battery. At best we would be able to use the RE to create a normal EM effect and store that into the cap, yes.

Amongst other things I intend building a very powerful cap with glass dielectric, copper plates and will seal all in transformer oil bath.
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Baking Soda Variable Electrolytic Capacitor.

Borax or Baking Soda Rectifier and the glow.

Carbon Arc RF Oscillator.
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Different brand, different results - 3055

On previous experiments we already confirmed that not all 2222 transistors are the same. Now to add to the confusion:

Since I had more than 40pc of 2N3055 and since I never read they might not be all the same; I only used those STM's. During my last shopping trip to Bangkok there was a sale of Toshiba 2N3055 and at another shop there were Hitachi and others. Today I build 5 sets, exactly the same, even with same 2222A – except each one is using different 2N3055 brand names. All tested sets were TO-3 packages – plain 2N3055 no postfixes. Surprise – but should have known – THEY ARE NOT THE SAME. I tested the 2222/3055 sets on the same set-up with same coil, wires, location, lights, etc.

A: With original STMocroelectronics – Start each time without need of earth or antenna on 2222 base.
Frequency 820 without earth, 1.64kHz with earth on 2222 emitter.
Spark gap reach max 4 mm. Runs cool.

B: With Toshiba – does not start without earth ‘jump-start’ on base of 2222A.
Frequency N/A without earth, 1.27kHz with earth on 2222 emitter.
Spark gap reach max 7 mm. Nice bright CFL, smooth running though.

C: With Mitsubushi – does not start without earth ‘jump-start’ on base of 2222A.
After starting, only run for some 10 seconds when earth is removed.
Frequency N/A without earth, 2.11kHz with earth on 2222 emitter.
Spark gap reach max 4 mm. Light is weaker than either STM or Toshiba.

D: With Motorola – Does not run without earth on base of 2222A.
Terminate when earth removed. Most difficult to run circuit.
Frequency N/A without earth, 1.3kHz with earth on 2222 emitter.
Spark gap reach max 3 mm. Light is weaker than of above and ‘pulsing’
Gets hot quickly.

E: Control set: Exactly the same as A above. This set was from last few STM's I bought from another supplier about 4 months ago. All results were the same as in A.

NOTE: There were a number of other differences to, but these are the basic and most noticed ones.

The bottom line of this is: Even if it is the same part, they are definitely not the same value and operation. I checked a bit and saw there seems to be more than 17 different 2N3055 brand names plus then the unknown number of no-namers.
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On previous experiments we already confirmed that not all 2222 transistors are the same. Now to add to the confusion:

Since I had more than 40pc of 2N3055 and since I never read they might not be all the same; I only used those STM's. During my last shopping trip to Bangkok there was a sale of Toshiba 2N3055 and at another shop there were Hitachi and others. Today I build 5 sets, exactly the same, even with same 2222A – except each one is using different 2N3055 brand names. All tested sets were TO-3 packages – plain 2N3055 no postfixes. Surprise – but should have known – THEY ARE NOT THE SAME. I tested the 2222/3055 sets on the same set-up with same coil, wires, location, lights, etc.

A: With original STMocroelectronics – Start each time without need of earth or antenna on 2222 base.
Frequency 820 without earth, 1.64kHz with earth on 2222 emitter.
Spark gap reach max 4 mm. Runs cool.

B: With Toshiba – does not start without earth ‘jump-start’ on base of 2222A.
Frequency N/A without earth, 1.27kHz with earth on 2222 emitter.
Spark gap reach max 7 mm. Nice bright CFL, smooth running though.

C: With Mitsubushi – does not start without earth ‘jump-start’ on base of 2222A.
After starting, only run for some 10 seconds when earth is removed.
Frequency N/A without earth, 2.11kHz with earth on 2222 emitter.
Spark gap reach max 4 mm. Light is weaker than either STM or Toshiba.

D: With Motorola – Does not run without earth on base of 2222A.
Terminate when earth removed. Most difficult to run circuit.
Frequency N/A without earth, 1.3kHz with earth on 2222 emitter.
Spark gap reach max 3 mm. Light is weaker than of above and ‘pulsing’
Gets hot quickly.

E: Control set: Exactly the same as A above. This set was from last few STM's I bought from another supplier about 4 months ago. All results were the same as in A.

NOTE: There were a number of other differences to, but these are the basic and most noticed ones.

The bottom line of this is: Even if it is the same part, they are definitely not the same value and operation. I checked a bit and saw there seems to be more than 17 different 2N3055 brand names plus then the unknown number of no-namers.
Aromaz ---I just had a similar day with terrible results due to transistors not all being the same. Just when I thought that I had something nailed down I would try it with different parts and it would not work the same or not work at all.
I did discovered that you can "tickle" the base of the 2222 by using the energy radiated out of the ignition coil casing. I just wrapped a 1/4" band of aluminum foil around it and attached it with a clip lead to the transistor base. That provided the feed back for the oscillator. I still had to touch it to start it.

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...... "tickle" the base of the 2222 ....
@Lidmotor: What brand name of 2222 and 3055's are you using?
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I got the transistors at Radio Shack. The 2n3055s say Mospec on them and the package says made in the Philippines. The 2n2222s come in a package of 15 and who knows who makes those. The package even says 2n2222 "like" npn transistors. I think that I will order the next batch from some where.

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in my replication of the aromaz circuit they were ST 3055's....works really well too.....really bright lights

i was fiddling with this cricuit the other day too and i got the lights even brighter but they were pulsing by connecting two earths.....one to base of 2n222 and the other to the lights....lights not connected to negative of ignition coil.....quite odd
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@Lidmotor - Thank you for the info. Mospec is a Taiwan company with strong ties to Mainland China. I called my big supplier in Bangkok, they do not keep them; said they failed plenty in sound amplifiers. But then the Thai's realy do boost sound to the max. I ever only found the Egyptians more in love with noise!

@Nat - That is the same that I have. Quite flat on the hat-top, slightly greyish where most others are slightly domed and smooth/polished. Happy to see you also have good results with them.

Anybody tried to use this or the original Imhothep circuit with a lifter?
but must use ignition coil. I am looking for few ideas, got to make one by next week to win a bet!
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I got the transistors at Radio Shack. The 2n3055s say Mospec on them and the package says made in the Philippines. The 2n2222s come in a package of 15 and who knows who makes those. The package even says 2n2222 "like" npn transistors. I think that I will order the next batch from some where.

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I just got an order from www.jameco.com a couple days ago. 2222's are in a TO-18 package made by ST, only ones they had figured I'd try them. The 2n3055's are made by ST also.

I haven't had time to crack it open play around yet, girlfriend coming home soon after being in FL for a while. Had a bachelor life so I've been "straightening" up the house some.

I've got a whole bunch of goodies sitting here, anxious to start makin sparks.


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in my replication of the aromaz circuit they were ST 3055's....works really well too.....really bright lights

i was fiddling with this cricuit the other day too and i got the lights even brighter but they were pulsing by connecting two earths.....one to base of 2n222 and the other to the lights....lights not connected to negative of ignition coil.....quite odd
I had that happen Nat......Why would it happen people?????


In my last video i had two ground, I can also connect the two grounds to a coil in the ground and it still works, the coil is magnet wire. Im going to try a microwave transformer to see what happens and if i can get power from it.
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Hi Randy,

I like this quote regarding direction of flow.

"As far as we know, in an electric circuit nothing can actually be said to flow from one end to the other, but it is a “condition” set up throughout the entire length; and this length must form a complete circuit or ring, the shape of which matters little. Also, somewhere within this circuit, and forming part of it, must be placed the means of setting up this “condition” –say, a battery or dynamo.

Dynamos and Electric Motors"

This makes more sense to me than trying to comprehend flow directions. And the placement of conductive and non conductive parts into or around the circuit can affect these conditions. The insulation plays a very important role, sometimes forgotten I think.
Ren,
I found a video that demonstrates how the direction of flow does change where the magnetic field around the wire is created.
For example, left to right flow only creates a top of the wire magnetic field,
right to left only creates bottom of the wire magnetic field.
Yes, there's a little on the opposite side, but the Major magnetic field is
created on only one side of the wire.

Video: wire loop test demos top side of wire then bottom side of wire magnetic field creation.

I don't know if this is common knowledge or uncommon knowledge. as the video shows it.
It's new info to me the top side, bottom side aspect.

Since all these experiments seem to be "touchy" maybe this has been
a possible factor influencing the effects.

follow my finger shows touching turning off and on a bulb.

Always just
and dang, the Faraday's Paradox was cool too.
Again, that was new info for me. Buddha would call me evil.
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I tried using a pc power supply from an imhotep fan as a virtual ground, and discovered I could light a neon off adjacent metal surfaces if I was holding one end... I'd forgotten about it actually..
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I want to make process explanation for Imhotep Radiant Oscillator in Indonesian language since I don't think it exist yet. But I like to know if the current flow I illustrate bellow is correct or not. I am using different coil for current collapsing part and use slower freq oscillation for easier explanation.

Initial state

Current (red arrow) will be charging capacitor and make magnetic force on the relay coil. Once the magnetic force able to pull the switch, it will go to second state.

Second state

Current from battery will make magnetic force in air core coil, where current from the capacitor will keep the magnetic force on the relay coil. Once the voltage of capacitor running out, it will go to third state.

Third state

Current from battery will be charging capacitor again, and also make magnetic force on the relay coil. But because of sudden collapse of current in the air core coil, back EMF (blue arrow) will be generated. The back EMF will charge the battery and some of them will light up the neon. Once the magnetic force able to pull the switch, it will go to second state.


The relay may not go to second state if the capacitor do not store enough current to keep the magnetic force pull the switch and keep the switch at on position.

If Neon replaced by car coil, the neon can light up brighter using the output of car coil but the primary of car coil will draw significant current if no diode is put between the car primary coil and positive power source.


@Inquorate, the relay currently noiseless just by shield it with book. For solid state, what part of them is expensive? I am thinking to use the first design of Bedini solid state charger, the one posted before the end page of panacea bocaf pdf. It seems the wire is the most expensive part.
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I just went searching solid state relays for the shop I usually go to.. You're right, low amp (3) ones are not much more expensive. I must have seen the 100amp ones when I went looking before..

Here's some of what they've got, if anyone's interested :-)

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Reed switch relay
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Solid state
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Can't seem to save an edit, so reposting...

I just went searching solid state relays for the shop I usually go to.. You're right, low amp (3) ones are not much more expensive. I must have seen the 100amp ones when I went looking before..

Here's some of what they've got, if anyone's interested :-)

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Reed switch relay
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Solid state

Switches ac only, runs off 3-32v dc
Jaycar Electronics

Runs off 12v DC, switches 100amps dc
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Switches 12v DC 3a
Jaycar Electronics
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All of them seems to have 4 legs. Can we really use them? I don't think we can do leg add trick as Imhotep do on automotive relay. That look more like optocoupler than 5 leg relay. It would be nice if there are solid state 5 leg relay.

@Aromaz, nice info about the difference of 2N2222A. I read that some of them may not even work as negative resistor. I hope the one I got (it is rare here), KN2222A can work as negative resistor.
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All of them seems to have 4 legs. Can we really use them? I don't think we can do leg add trick as Imhotep do on automotive relay. That look more like optocoupler than 5 leg relay. It would be nice if there are solid state 5 leg relay.

@Aromaz, nice info about the difference of 2N2222A. I read that some of them may not even work as negative resistor. I hope the one I got (it is rare here), KN2222A can work as negative resistor.
@sucahyo; Selamat Datang! I have resort on Lembeh in Sulut.
KN2222A works fine, KSP 2222A is best and you can find them pleunty in Indo too. I think at present it is more important to use ST 3055's (These you will find are from Malaysia), do not use the Toshiba, Motorolla or Mitsubushi which you find mostly in Indo.

On original Imhothep circuit the 4x pin relay is working fine. See my video #02 and 03. Though it is slightly better to use the Bosh automotive relay - because the colapse on the added coil gives a little more energy in the feed back.
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@Aromaz, Terima kasih . I realize that you must know Indonesia when you work at Bakri company, I download all of your video .

I'll try to find the component you mention, thanks . I currently have Toshiba 3055, I guess I have to find the better one before start experimenting the solid state version.

About the 4 leg relay, I mean that I don't think we can modify the 4 leg solid state version like we can do to mechanical version. I think the solid state relay that Inquorate mention is somekind of optocoupler.

I have been thinking of utilizing some kind of solid state relay, looking for candidate like MOSFET, IGBT, thrystor, SCR, etc. But all of them seems to work as switch on device with no contact for self trigger. We have to use external oscillation for trigger. I have 4 leg optocoupler which I try to make it self oscillate, failed.

The best example of self oscillating solid state would be your circuit. Can we charge battery using 2N2222A+2N3055 circuit?
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We are Bakri Cono and not related to Bakri of Indonesia. My partners are Saudi.

Yes, on solid state will be difficult, though you can get them to oscillate in LC circuit, then branch out form there. Sounds like you are familiar with electronics.

For the beginning and to get into this, you can also use another cheap 4 pin relay often used in washing machines or on pumps. In fact you can use just about any relay; I find all are working, will just need to play around to get them self oscillating.

Toshiba is OK, but it does need ground kick-start to base of 2222 all the time.
Else the Toshiba actually gives higher frequency and better light, though sometimes a bit flashing. Good enough to start with; if you already have them. Toshiba is anyway the cheapest 3055 in Thailand!

There is charging to the battery, however my circuit has a problem there.
You will have to use the basic Bedini circuit and charge back from the transistor......
Only, then you can not use the ignition coil from where back EMF is way out too strong and transistor blows in seconds.
On my circuit the energy gets too high and parts like resistor and diodes are just getting useles.

For instance I have now a unique 1,000 Volt Diode - and still the BEMF just goes right accross it (as in over/around/outside...), same with whatever I tried from 4001 upwards. NOTE: Accross; it does not even stop the energy nor gets warm from trying to block it......

I have the circuit completley isolated from coils by spark gap as well as HV germanium diodes; then after a few minutes anything in the ciruit becomes to HV charges it sparks 8+ mm - even on the casing of the battery! All this time the HV from ignition coil is not connected to any part of the circuit or battery - it is only going to a set of tubes far away from the circuit with no return to battery or anything else - one wire out only.

There are two kinds of electricity -
A) the usual one which is dependant on electrons and which are passed inside a conductor. No conductor = no energy

B) Radiant which is not restricted nor limited by a conductor. I don't think we will be able to capture this monste in a 'cage'; at best we will have to use it on the run and might only be able to capture his tracks or results. This I find to date can not be restricted by diodes, resistors and is not storable in the capacitor either. In all cases it just goes 'around' or through whatever is in it's way. I am still studying this phenomena - THIS is the energy I am targeting.

I will clip another short video today with the HV effect that are not where they are suppose to be. BTW - in this testrun I will use the Toshiba 3055's
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