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Old 12-22-2008, 11:27 PM
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ok my system is running now at 36volts....will check it at 1hr 48 minutes and at 3hrs....fingers crossed...nothing explodes
Good news to have you back in action!

@broli: The problem we have is that all electronics / circuits do 'work' and indicate the traditional way - From Positive to Negative. For instance the arrow/band on the diode points away from the positive thought he flow is actualy the other way!

But we should keep this in mind when we design/test our circuits. Where I am playing with long dual winded coils it is a remarkable difference when connecting a light closer to the negative side than to the positive side of that coil!

The bottom line is: It is confusing to say the least; But something we should always consider. Somehow we have to consider wrong to do right or is it we have to do right to be wrong......
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thanks aromaz...theres only one way to learn...is by breaking stuff.....pushing the boundaries....while maintaining safety....keep up the good work everyone.....i feel like we are so close to coming up with a breakthrough....


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well i am over the 1hr 48minutes and nothing notable to report....maybe it takes longer in a smaller system....i will run it for a bit longer....otherwise i will add in bodkins modfications....
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well i am over the 1hr 48minutes and nothing notable to report....maybe it takes longer in a smaller system....i will run it for a bit longer....otherwise i will add in bodkins modfications....
I do not think you have to worry too much - yet. There are two possible scenarios to keep in mind.
A: The coil might not be exactly the same.
B: The auto conditioning' effect of just about everything.

On Sunday I tested ALL my previously dead transistors - except for one that really smoked; they were all back to normal - and in 'like new' - but keep in separate box!

With my scope and toroid modified probe, I find after running for one hour, the ignition coils are still resonating as much as 12 minutes after power down. Further, in older used (in circuit) ignition coils I get ringing much easier and persistant than in brand new coils.
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That's funny...
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Welcome back!

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I see you are logged in! !! Welcome back.

Trying to catch up is a real mission, I have been there, now I do make sure to read everyday.

This is guaranteed the best forum and this group is the best co-operating experimenters anywhere on the web.

Hope to see your new postings soon
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@ Aromaz, I was thinking of doing the same thing.

@ hello imhotep. Will be great when you catch up... Hope you have enjoyed all the mysteries
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Bill Beaty - Crackpot or .....?

A while back when my brain was still unable to understand much of this, I found, read and printed this article. Now going through old notes to clear out; I read it again - and Bright Lights Sparking!

Though it is a hypotehesis; this is possibly a very valuable presenetation.
I think this Author Bill Beaty is catching a tiger! At least somewhere, though some of his stuff needs a serious addition of salt.

Bill B's Crackpot Theory the Second

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Sound Frequency Analysis

Hello,
i have not been able to repeat the last experiment unfortunately.
I have then added a spark gap, which produces really weak sparks.
Seems like i have to run the circuit with 24 Volts or even 50 Volts like some of you or is this not the determining sole factor?
Also i have not been able to get a drawer knob that is 100 % brass, they are all surface-brassed. Maybe in an antique shop ?

Made an analysis of the oscillation that is audible coming from the bulbs.
With the background of being a professional audio engineer, i have
extracted some valuable information from a spectal graphical analysis
of the waveform that allows some conclusions about the nature of the
oscillation in this circuit.

YouTube - FrequencyChange

1. What we perceive as a ringing tone is a complex spectrum of individual frequencies.

2. The higher frequencies (and that is remarkable) have partially higher amplitudes than the base frequency.

For harmonics can be said: "Harmonics are produced by a rapid and abrupt rise in current, either in the positive or negative direction. Square waves and pulse waves produce a rapid and abrupt rise in current. The more rapid and abrupt the current rises, the greater the quantity, amplitude, and frequency range of harmonics produced. The abruptness of current rise is measured in rise time. "

I will try to find out if that is actually really harmonics or 6 harmonically independent oscillations. It is hard to make out if the sound is being produced by all the bulbs, i had 4 CFLs and a neon tube in the setup, so it could match the number of frequencies in the spectrum.
However when i touch the once CFL, all others light up stronger too.

3. Upon touching the bulb, the spectrum behaves strangely, the base frequency rises but the upper frequencies fall
See here:



This picture shows the waveform where you can see the modulation in the changing amplitude:



Assuming that there is a correlation between brightness and audible frequency, that would not explain the spectrum of the "touched state", where
only the base frequency rises, but the others fall.
Guess i will have to make more experiments with varying CFL quantities.

I remember that Bedini spoke about a cancellation of two oppositely phased
sine waves in one of the "energy from the vaccum" videos and he said that the hidden information lies in the modulated frequencies !

So is it beneficial to the strength of the BEMF to produce as many upper frequencies as possible? That would be the key then and explains why
a higher signal frequency to pulse the ignition coil yields in more BEMF.
High frequent sine waves would not do that.So let`s try Giga-Hz pulsing soon !


"Pure sine waves are not capable of producing harmonics because of the smooth and gradual rise and fall of the current."

It remains interesting what Nat and Bodkins will find out in their wave surf experiment.

Hope anyone finds something useful in this
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Old 12-23-2008, 02:09 AM
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spark gap in my system started to work at 36 volts minimum
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the upper frequencies are achieved by using polished brass spark gaps apparently.....as brass vibrates longer

according to oliver lodge
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Thanks for the info, i will look for better brass gaps then and incrementally raise the system voltage.
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@ Xenomorph; I am certainly very happy to see you here - we can do with more insight to the scope waveform analysis!

Solid brass is good, howeverI lately changed to 304 stainless steel. Gives same spark value - but the added hardness does not pit to easy. I only used up to 24Vdc on this system until now.

Unfortunately I will be out of action for a few days - has to stay on bed with knee problem. Please don't go too fast!! I would hate to do catch up again.
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Xenomorph good job with analizing sound. Moray got his idea from the sound in the phone. So may be we are talking about frequency < 15kHz. And about harmonics check the file that I'm generated RapidShare: Easy Filehosting, but in that case LC should be tuned to specific frequency.
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I get this error trying to download the file:
<<This file is neither allocated to a Premium Account, or a Collector's Account, and can therefore only be downloaded 10 times.>>
Maybe upload it again?
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One Wire Transmission | video repost

Both of these are powered by an Imhotep Radiant Oscillator
You can read the video details for details - I posted these before Imhotep released his circuit so I didn't want anyone to know. I just replaced the CFL with a spark plug.

YouTube - Single Wire Capacitor Charge (from battery terminal)
YouTube - One Wire Tesla Transmission
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Fried my transistors. Poop. So much for a whole day of experiments.
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YouTube - UPDATE 26 EDWIN GRAY HYBRID CIRCUIT Running at 48volts

i got distracted and modified my circuit to be more like grays....utilising imhotep fan and lights of course.....interesting effects generated by the spark gap...which make the cfls brighter..runnning at 48volts...

think i need bigger caps and to add in the conversion tube again
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Both of these are powered by an Imhotep Radiant Oscillator
You can read the video details for details - I posted these before Imhotep released his circuit so I didn't want anyone to know. I just replaced the CFL with a spark plug.

YouTube - Single Wire Capacitor Charge (from battery terminal)
YouTube - One Wire Tesla Transmission
Thank you again Arron
In the setup i have if i use one ground i see the same results as you have,Will be charging a smaller cap then charging a battery from that,With time.

But with the the secord ground the neon starts to go crazy. If i ad a sphere setup like the harold aspden patent which spark between the lairs the rate of neon intensifies and to a stage i have to switch off. Do you think i have anything like what moray was working with.
Cheers for you time
Richard.

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@ Bodkins : How do you realize a second ground? In what way do your grounds differ?

"rate of neon intensifies to a stage i have two switch off"

That sounds scary but very promising

@Aaron : Very genial 2-circuit-setup, to use the battery terminal with one-wire to connect to the other circuit. Shows again that electron flow(technical current direction) etc. is entirely irrelevant for radiant energy applications.
As Bedini was pointing out that the only way (he found, there might be others)to convert the radiant energy through a chemical process was batteries.

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I have two copper rods in the ground.
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Fried my transistors. Poop. So much for a whole day of experiments.
fried scr but got some post today
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That is interesting, so you seem to have an additional earth battery effect with it.
I have read that people experimented with just sticking two rods into the earth and they got something like 1-3 V potential out of it. Earth is converting radiant energy chemically too. Very interesting. Too bad about your SCR.
It seems one needs some dozens spare-transistors/rectifiers
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Currently I'm generating new file for wider range of wave lengths. When I'm done I will post it again. It will take around a week for program to finish counts. Also in my previous file I did mistake with frequency calculations, please disregard it. Sorry for confusion
So far based on calculations I've got the best frequency to get harmonics is 13865.415047915 Hz (21621.60m)
Here is a very good link to Moray research
Free Energy Research Archive.
Does anybody know, what is the frequency range limits for wire wound antennas?

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That is interesting, so you seem to have an additional earth battery effect with it.
I have read that people experimented with just sticking two rods into the earth and they got something like 1-3 V potential out of it. Earth is converting radiant energy chemically too. Very interesting. Too bad about your SCR.
It seems one needs some dozens spare-transistors/rectifiers
its not a earth battery set up its the sphere that make the difference really
got some videos up loading i think this many help.YouTube - Bodkins 48
Got some more scr`s I think i now what me need to do with then will get to that when i have time(make a video).Please reread my post to Arron added some stuff.
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Hi Bodkins. Could you provide some more specific info on how to build the sphere. Size and materials.
Thanks alot,
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Hello,
i have not been able to repeat the last experiment unfortunately.
I have then added a spark gap, which produces really weak sparks.
Seems like i have to run the circuit with 24 Volts or even 50 Volts like some of you or is this not the determining sole factor?
Also i have not been able to get a drawer knob that is 100 % brass, they are all surface-brassed. Maybe in an antique shop ?

Made an analysis of the oscillation that is audible coming from the bulbs.
With the background of being a professional audio engineer, i have
extracted some valuable information from a spectal graphical analysis
of the waveform that allows some conclusions about the nature of the
oscillation in this circuit.

YouTube - FrequencyChange

1. What we perceive as a ringing tone is a complex spectrum of individual frequencies.

2. The higher frequencies (and that is remarkable) have partially higher amplitudes than the base frequency.

For harmonics can be said: "Harmonics are produced by a rapid and abrupt rise in current, either in the positive or negative direction. Square waves and pulse waves produce a rapid and abrupt rise in current. The more rapid and abrupt the current rises, the greater the quantity, amplitude, and frequency range of harmonics produced. The abruptness of current rise is measured in rise time. "

I will try to find out if that is actually really harmonics or 6 harmonically independent oscillations. It is hard to make out if the sound is being produced by all the bulbs, i had 4 CFLs and a neon tube in the setup, so it could match the number of frequencies in the spectrum.
However when i touch the once CFL, all others light up stronger too.

3. Upon touching the bulb, the spectrum behaves strangely, the base frequency rises but the upper frequencies fall
See here:



This picture shows the waveform where you can see the modulation in the changing amplitude:



Assuming that there is a correlation between brightness and audible frequency, that would not explain the spectrum of the "touched state", where
only the base frequency rises, but the others fall.
Guess i will have to make more experiments with varying CFL quantities.

I remember that Bedini spoke about a cancellation of two oppositely phased
sine waves in one of the "energy from the vaccum" videos and he said that the hidden information lies in the modulated frequencies !

So is it beneficial to the strength of the BEMF to produce as many upper frequencies as possible? That would be the key then and explains why
a higher signal frequency to pulse the ignition coil yields in more BEMF.
High frequent sine waves would not do that.So let`s try Giga-Hz pulsing soon !


"Pure sine waves are not capable of producing harmonics because of the smooth and gradual rise and fall of the current."

It remains interesting what Nat and Bodkins will find out in their wave surf experiment.

Hope anyone finds something useful in this
Interesting. Oscillation that is audible coming from the bulbs... Looks like Phonon non linear emittion effect. EM wave and Phonon (sound) wave, looks like correlation actually between them. Or may be phonon is related somehow for lite and excess energy we are trying to generate?
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@ bodkins

Now you're just teasing :-)

I'd love to have something to add, maybe after xmas...
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uploading video of sphere setup and what Im doing with them in the future.
Thank You Braden......
Im really busy all the family coming over for xmas so this is my last post apart from the video post. Ive not read all this latest post so if i missing something im sorry.
Merry Christmas all
The future brighter now


shpere or tube its all the same people!!!!!!!!

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