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Old 12-07-2008, 05:15 AM
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..... Please do not get me wrong, this is not a criticism and defiantly not a replication of your circuit.......
Luc, I am not in this for myself and my self ego is solid enough. I do consider criticism very valuable here. Neither did I try to defend my system nor suggestions. I am seriously trying to get to the botom of this.

If that was not my wish, I am sure I could use this circuit and all I have shown in the video's rather to get or scam BIG money from someone ignorant. Thus, it is here and hopefully we all can work together to make it workable for the people of the world. Later on we can figure out how to use this in modified form to make profitable products.

Is this right, good and valid -
A: IF YES, then lets fine tune it and release it to the world. Note my word 'release'. I doubt seriously that I would go into production of this kit.
B: IF NO, then lets forget about it and go on searching for the valid one.
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Old 12-07-2008, 06:26 AM
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YouTube - Tesla Wireless Transmission with Aromaz circuit - Video 24

Wireless transmission with Aromaz circuit
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Old 12-07-2008, 07:47 AM
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@ gotoluc

Can you post a schematic of your lc oscillator circuit? I've been trying to make a colpitts oscillator / signal generator for when I get vacuum tubes (to switch coils instead of trannies which get soggy in my opinion) BUT nothing I make works. Except one, which would oscillate for about a second. I've got 2 variable 60 to 160 puffs and 50 k pots and rf resistor... Only other option I can think of is I found info on a type of tube which is specifically made to oscillate, and another type appears to be made as a cut-off diode... Also looked into crystals but their circuits are too steep a learning curve for me; I can't visualize what's happening.

/// to all: made my move to under the house!!! Also found someone on this thread who works near where I live, so we'll probably get together for a think tank. So I'm extending an invite to all to take a peek at my lab...

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Old 12-07-2008, 08:26 AM
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Have you tried pulsing your master tranny's base with a radiant charger? I couldn't get my 2n2222 to trigger properly at first, so I tried a 2n3055 as master. It too wouldn't work well. So I took the only oscillator I had on hand, my imhotep fan (99.9hz), and used it to trigger base of master 2n3055 with earth wire on base as well. Ran it for only a couple of minutes. By accident, turned system on later without fan running and she started up. I really don't think 2n2222 is necessary, but whatever it's switching (base) semiconductor is made of is susceptible to radiant waves, right out of the box.

However, I believe (haven't tested any other transistors except 2n3055, 2n2222, and TIP35c..) any transistor can be 'conditioned'

I've finished harping on about that now.
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didnt have much time for experimenting today....will have another look at it next weekend....will see if i can get the exact 2n2222 that aromaz is using first...and try that out.......
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Old 12-07-2008, 08:59 AM
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what i did try was running it at 24 volts...and the lights were going purple....i think 24volts may be to much strain for the bulbs...hence when i tested the wireless parts out it didnt work....had to use a bulb that hadnt been used....but i want to get the exact 2n2222 first and rerun some tests on it
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Old 12-07-2008, 09:07 AM
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Thank you Corrie for the great detailed photos and parts information

I really appreciate all the work you have put into this.

@everyone,

I just completed some basic tests. The tests was to only try to get a coil primary to resonance and observe the effects. One thing I found that would be important is if you use a Analogue Meter it will give a false reading and if you use a digital meter you will need to set it to AC.
Even though your source battery is DC the transistor is pulsing the DC through your meter and you will get a false reading if you use it on the DC amp. mode. This DC pulsing is also why an analogue meter will not work as we are pulsing the coil in the 20khz range and they cannot display a correct reading at this frequency due to the analogue needle coil frequency limit.

Please accept my apology if all of you know this. I'm just trying to make sure we are all on the same page on the way we measure amps.

Thank you for all your great work and sharing

Luc

@ all

As Luc suggests current readings are not a reliable indicator of true power consumption in this field of HV / HF experimentation. The overal time taken to discharge the battery will reflect the true current drawn by the HV circuit. Also consider the possibility that the HV could be damaging the battery. If Aromaz's setup is really only consuming microamps then the battery will be able to power his circuit almost indefinately using the batteries shown in his video. If this is the case, he will be laughing all the way to the bank!

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Old 12-07-2008, 10:01 AM
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fluorescent tubes

Could it be that the inside of these tubes are acting like capacitors and the coil is some way extracting this energy
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Old 12-07-2008, 12:58 PM
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Ok. Guys for those of you who are playing with Aromaz self resonant Ignition coil schema. Try to put unmodified CFL into the chain, please share what you will see. In my case it was flashing every 3 sec. Current consumption didn't change.

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Old 12-07-2008, 01:13 PM
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In unmodified CFL there is a cap, which probably is charged during this 3 seconds being discharged then to flash CFL. Better test if this bulb is still working with ordinary AC
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Old 12-07-2008, 01:24 PM
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I CAN NOT FIND IT IN THAILAND !!!!

Could someone please try for me an experiment - most likely UK or Aussie.

On my system - or any other high voltage line like original Imhothep - PLEASE try and see what are the effects of using a SODIUM VAPOUR light bulb in compatison to our CFL's.

In the UK they are called SOX - Low Pressure Sodium Vapour.
Produced specailly by Phillips, GE and some bit by Osram.

If not sure, refer to this page:
The Low Pressure Sodium Lamp

I might be onto something and need to play around with Sodium and Nitrogen as gas in the tube - to replace the fluorecent mercury vapour. First I want to know how they will lit up in the HV single conneciton.

Further in this line: Does anybody have an idea about practical use of NITROGEN as luminence in lamps - or more important as conductor for electricity potential (Volt)?
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Old 12-07-2008, 01:44 PM
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For those interested in the why of our tubes

Here is some nice pieces of education about our wonderful CFL's and the Fuorecent tube: (Edited to key phrases)

The fundamental means for conversion of electrical energy into radiant energy in a fluorescent lamp relies on inelastic scattering of electrons. An incident electron collides with an atom in the gas. If the free electron has enough kinetic energy, it transfers energy to the atom's outer electron, causing that electron to temporarily jump up to a higher energy level. This is why the collision is called 'inelastic,' as some of the energy is transferred.

This higher energy state is unstable, and the atom will emit an ultraviolet photon as the atom's electron reverts to a lower, more stable, energy level. Most of the photons that are released from the mercury atoms have wavelengths in the ultraviolet (UV) region of the spectrum predominantly at wavelengths of 253.7 nm and 185 nm.

This is not visible to the human eye, so must be converted into visible light. This is done by making use of fluorescence. Ultraviolet photons are absorbed by electrons in the atoms of the lamp's fluorescent coating, causing a similar energy jump, then drop, with emission of a further photon. The photon that is emitted from this second interaction has a lower energy than the one that caused it.

When the light is turned on, the electric power heats up the cathode enough for it to emit electrons. These electrons collide with and ionize noble gas atoms in the bulb surrounding the filament to form a plasma by a process of impact ionization. As a result of avalanche ionization, the conductivity of the ionized gas rapidly rises, allowing higher currents to flow through the lamp.


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Old 12-07-2008, 02:00 PM
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If you want to check for radiant energy activity you can use a capacitor in the proximity of the components (don't touch them) and see what happens to its potential. This can be a simple conducting plate hooked to one terminal of the capacitor and a the other terminal of the cap to the ground. You can go around the circuit with the plate and see whether the cap charges and then maybe look at places/angles where it charges most and fastest.

According to Tesla radiant energy creates electrons (ie electricity) on impact with a conductor. So this can be some sort of a radiant energy meter.
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Old 12-07-2008, 03:37 PM
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explosion of thoughts

I was responding to a message bodkins left on a youtube video of mine ages ago, re fluffy charge and being unable to run a load...

Got caught up in idea explosion and put everything that came into my mind down... Ended up so it won't fit on as a post here, so I started up a blog page I don't intend to continue with, but it's all there for anyone to read.

Deep thoughts

It kinda takes up from where I was going previously with posts re longitudinal aether compression waves and how they interact with transistors.

I took same principle to capacitors, and things started falling into place. However, it's first draft. Prob hard to read... my brain works in an odd way...

Ps, it incorporates tiny bits of a book I wrote once after motorbike accident, couldn't walk for almost a year... It includes string theory which I'm realising is a red herring, but asides from that, can be an enlightening read.

First 2 paragraphs,
"This book is about the relationship between energy and consciousness. This relationship is too often ignored by science, despite mounting evidence to the contrary. Nor is it fully appreciated by psychologists, and it is over dramatised by enthusiastic adherents to the school of new age thought.
This book explores the relationship between the nature of humanity, aspects of the mind and emotion, the nature of belief, thought forms and psychology. It covers the emerging studies of chaos, randomness, structure and order in our experience of society, nature and the individual."

I'll never get round to trying to get it published, 300 or so A5 (book) pages.. Anyone wants a free pdf of it, PM me with email.

Just keep in mind that aether physics is behind all the quantum phenomena, string theory is elegantly misdirected, and I'm beginning to strongly suspect that the interaction between aether flows polarized by electromagnetic fields is the cause of inertia, as well as of gravity..

I don't think we're in kansas anymore, toto..
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Old 12-07-2008, 04:23 PM
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In unmodified CFL there is a cap, which probably is charged during this 3 seconds being discharged then to flash CFL. Better test if this bulb is still working with ordinary AC
boguslaw you absolutely correct. And I'm using it as efficiency test for my system. It takes 3 sec for my coil to provide enough energy to get CFL to designed brightness. So my system is roughly 1/3 efficient to light the CFL.
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Old 12-07-2008, 05:22 PM
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Tesla's Big Mistake?---article by William Beaty 1999

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Im glad you were listening Lid . If you can understand the cause, then you will understand the effects better.

How Tesla Coils Work

Another page that is slightly more technical. And here is another that may be of interest to people.

Micro Tesla Coil, five dollars $5 dollar tesla coil...

@ Aromaz. Your comments on the amp meter are interesting. You have noted the effect, but what do you think is the cause? Is it due to your digital amp meters high internal ohmage (usually upwards of 10kohm on some) or perhaps it is more of an inductive element if a coil can also be used? You may find an analogue gauge suits your purpose just fine here because of its internal workings Noted that the amp meter in the positive leg of the circuit restricts its oscillations.... why could this be



BTW Aaron, I remember you asking some while back whether it makes a difference if the coil is in the negative leg or positive leg of the circuit. I can tell you I tried a simplified Aromaz circuit with it in both and it worked for both. There is something about it in the negative leg though I think. Many of Teslas designs have significant inductance in the negative leg, isolated from the source until switch closure. The ozone circuit is just one of many.


Aromaz, I do agree with alot of stuff you had to say regarding the use of potential only. You are right when you say that closing the loop kills the effect, for current is allow a path back to its source, eventually leading to a flat battery. You want Unbalance in your circuits, for if there is balance the charged condition of the battery is VOIDED. John Bedini has shown us all of the importance of open loop systems. This is one of the reasons I selected the toroid for experiments, its secondary winding is totally isolated. In essence the lights in my build arent connected directly to the source, and this is what we want.

I admire your ingenuity regarding the configuration of your HV output. As we are all aware by connecting the HV terminal to the light then from the light to the grounded terminal you are closing the loop, the ignition coil only really has one coil inside of it. I still however question the light output by your system, it would seem from your latest videos that when the lights are switched off there is light, but little illumination. I could be wrong, it is quite difficult to judge light correctly unless you are there in person, the auto adjusting light meter in the camera doesnt make it any easier. Perhaps it is useable for you, you seemed to be able to locate/pick up all those bulbs in the dark in your wireless video easily enough. Your input power is certainly ridiculously low, that much is obvious

454622 Aromaz. Google it. with Teslas name infront. (Incase you havent already).Look at his diagram. What is "W?" Seems to me that his HV/HF coil is connected to the lights on one end and what on the other??? Your conductive house ground perhaps Which is what....capacitance???

And what is in his diagram that is not in any of ours? Bodkins picked up on what I was hinting at earlier on. Its the simplest of devices that is seen in perhaps every true oscillating circuit, yet we arent utilizing it in ours yet.
Food for thought....



Ren---Thanks so much for the link to the $5 Tesla coil. I ordered two of them. The site is a real gold mine of things and information. At the upper left hand corner of the $5 Tesla coil link page is a link to: "Tesla coil buiders". That is another gold mine. All the stuff we need is there. This article I found there. It explains much about what we are currently doing here at this thread. Nat and Bodkins you are going to really like this one. It explains how and why Tesla wireless transmission of energy differs from rf transmission. Why he was right about this all along. The how and why of the earth ground link. This is the article by Beaty:
Tesla's Big Mistake?
There is no mention there of "modified CFL lighting". That is up to us. As Tesla said....." the future is mine".

Lidmotor

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Old 12-07-2008, 07:50 PM
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Does anybody have an idea about practical use of NITROGEN as luminence in lamps - or more important as conductor for electricity potential (Volt)?
Hi Aromaz,

Please see this thread for info on 'active nitrogen' or 'allotropic nitrogen'.
Allotropic Nitrogen - Active Nitrogen
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Old 12-07-2008, 07:54 PM
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These electrons collide with and ionize noble gas atoms in the bulb surrounding the filament to form a plasma by a process of impact ionization. As a result of avalanche ionization, the conductivity of the ionized gas rapidly rises, allowing higher currents to flow through the lamp.

This page has great info on ionization by collision.

K9 Passage of electricity through gases
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Old 12-07-2008, 09:18 PM
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Got caught up in idea explosion and put everything that came into my mind down... Ended up so it won't fit on as a post here, so I started up a blog page I don't intend to continue with, but it's all there for anyone to read.

Deep thoughts
Nice blog!
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@Ren Lidmotor Cool Im On it
@Aromaz the earth is a big cap pump it with time potencial!
@Inquorate I bet your fun at a party
Got some videos up loading
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Old 12-08-2008, 12:23 AM
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Wink @Bodkins

I'm usually the life of the party. Agile wit, hilarious sense of humor..great timing on delivery. Intellectually stimulating if the audience is receptive to being challenged.. I can perform better than a clown in a circus tent. Just one small problem. Whilst I do so love humanity, I can't stand people. Pigeons are more my style.
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Old 12-08-2008, 01:08 AM
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Luc, I am not in this for myself and my self ego is solid enough. I do consider criticism very valuable here. Neither did I try to defend my system nor suggestions. I am seriously trying to get to the botom of this.

If that was not my wish, I am sure I could use this circuit and all I have shown in the video's rather to get or scam BIG money from someone ignorant. Thus, it is here and hopefully we all can work together to make it workable for the people of the world. Later on we can figure out how to use this in modified form to make profitable products.

Is this right, good and valid -
A: IF YES, then lets fine tune it and release it to the world. Note my word 'release'. I doubt seriously that I would go into production of this kit.
B: IF NO, then lets forget about it and go on searching for the valid one.
Hi Corrie,

thanks for the reply and confirmation.

We are exactly on the same page. My wish is to find simple but effective alternate energy solutions to help better the life and conditions in 3rd World Countries.

I have a special connection with India and that would probably be one of the first place I would go to help the Villagers.

I was wondering if you had the time to download the video links I posted of a Russian man who has a working Tesla device using a spark gap like you have also found. He is capable of lighting many regular light bulbs using 2 ground point potentials and also disconnecting the starting battery and replacing it with a capacitor to keep the device self sustaining.

It is all in Russian but it could help with idea to see how he does it.

Thanks

Luc
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Old 12-08-2008, 01:12 AM
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However for the real aspect in science and out experiments it has a bite in it. I made a very simple device early on some 4 months ago. I wound 100 lengths of copper wire over a sheet of 100x100 cm plywood - one winding every 1 cm. Connected this up to earth and a bridge diode set and four small nano F capacitors - and I charged my mobile phone on it. It was not my invention, got it from the internet. BUT it worked.

Where is all that energy from? Most likely form billions of building dumping excess energy through their earth wires, power stations, transformers, electric wires all over the world - POWER LEAKING TO GROUND. Add to this power transmissions from mobile phones, radio and TV stations..... The list goes on.
Hi Aromaz,

Do you have any links to the plywood and wire project?
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HowStuffWorks "How Wireless Power Works"
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Old 12-08-2008, 01:41 AM
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Tesla's big mistake article

I read that Tesla's big mistake article, and I gotta say I disagree with the guy's explanation.

Foremost, he says only ac, not dc will propagate along a single wire.. I know he's wrong about that, cause I've done it with dc pulses.

Next he says tesla didn't take into account the property of air dampening hertz waves. But that's ludicrous. When maxwell said electromagnetic waves could be longitudinal or could be transverse, but that he encouraged people to look for transverse, Heinrich Hertz looked for and claimed to have found evidence of transverse waves. Tesla could not reproduce Hertz's experimental data, and discovered that hertz had not taken into account the action of air on his system, and travelled to meet Hertz and tell him. So I doubt he would have been ignorant of the action of air, as he was the only one at the time truly considering it.

I found a page with citations of experiments done by russians which validate the idea of longitudinal waves, and in fact showed experimentally that ANY wave (aether stress) caused by an irreversible process (unidirectional) can be picked up by unbalancing an otherwise balanced ELECTRONIC circuit!!!

Longitudinal Waves in the Vacuum
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Can you post a schematic of your lc oscillator circuit? I've been trying to make a colpitts oscillator / signal generator for when I get vacuum tubes (to switch coils instead of trannies which get soggy in my opinion) BUT nothing I make works. Except one, which would oscillate for about a second. I've got 2 variable 60 to 160 puffs and 50 k pots and rf resistor... Only other option I can think of is I found info on a type of tube which is specifically made to oscillate, and another type appears to be made as a cut-off diode... Also looked into crystals but their circuits are too steep a learning curve for me; I can't visualize what's happening.

/// to all: made my move to under the house!!! Also found someone on this thread who works near where I live, so we'll probably get together for a think tank. So I'm extending an invite to all to take a peek at my lab...

YouTube - Inquorate 15

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Hi Inquorate,

Nice lab space you have there mate ... Thanks for sharing it

There are two kinds of LC circuits, Parallel and Series.

Parallel circuit:


Series LC circuit



I have just started playing with these in my spare time for the past 2 months now, so I'm no expert and I'm not really interested to what the experts know about them as I believe they are not looking for what we are looking for.

As you may know I started a topic on my findings at the Overunity forum: RESONANCE EFFECTS FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE

and here are 2 videos I posted to date:

YouTube - RESONANCE EFFECTS FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE test 1

YouTube - RESONANCE EFFECTS FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE test 2

and this video is from someone who has posted at the topic a video demo that is showing much more detail effects found around a circuit in resonance:

YouTube - resonance coil and wavegen

@everyone,
sorry if this seems somewhat off topic but it may not be. Please let me know what you all think.

and to all

Luc
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Imhotep's websites

Just as a reminder, here are Imhotep's websites:
Imhotep's Laboratory | Renewable Energy
Imhotep's Lab Interactive FAQ • Index page

It doesn't look like he has posted in his own website for a while. I hope everything is ok.
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I CAN NOT FIND IT IN THAILAND !!!!

Could someone please try for me an experiment - most likely UK or Aussie.

On my system - or any other high voltage line like original Imhothep - PLEASE try and see what are the effects of using a SODIUM VAPOUR light bulb in compatison to our CFL's.

In the UK they are called SOX - Low Pressure Sodium Vapour.
Produced specailly by Phillips, GE and some bit by Osram.

If not sure, refer to this page:
The Low Pressure Sodium Lamp

I might be onto something and need to play around with Sodium and Nitrogen as gas in the tube - to replace the fluorecent mercury vapour. First I want to know how they will lit up in the HV single conneciton.

Further in this line: Does anybody have an idea about practical use of NITROGEN as luminence in lamps - or more important as conductor for electricity potential (Volt)?
Hi Corrie,

after seeing your 022 video yesterday similar thoughts were coming to me about trying different gas bulbs like Xenon, Neon, Krypton and Sodium.

This was also making me think of the Gray tube and the tube replication Aaron is working on. It wouldn't surprise me that the tube should have a gas or mixture of gases inside like the Joe Papps engine.

@Aaron, have you considered this yet?... and that maybe Gray was using some kind of commercial application bulb for his tubes and this is why he was trying so hard to hide it.

I know of a bulb specialist in my city. That is all they sell. It wouldn't surprise me that there is some kind of gas bulb with a fine mesh grill already inside it.

It's worth a look maybe.

What do you think?

Luc
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This was also making me think of the Gray tube and the tube replication Aaron is working on. It wouldn't surprise me that the tube should have a gas or mixture of gases inside like the Joe Papps engine.

@Aaron, have you considered this yet?... and that maybe Gray was using some kind of commercial application bulb for his tubes and this is why he was trying so hard to hide it.

I know of a bulb specialist in my city. That is all they sell. It wouldn't surprise me that there is some kind of gas bulb with a fine mesh grill already inside it.

It's worth a look maybe.

What do you think?

Luc
Hi Luc,

Many people have wondered if it is a vacuum or if there is gas in side or just ambient air. I think it is just air.

Bedini knew Gray and saw these motors many times and took meticulous notes. The tubes were specifically built just like in John's notes. I believe if there was anything like a disguised bulb that it would definitely not have gone unnoticed by John. I would be rare for something to slip past him. The details of the rods, how they were connected, etc... are too specific to be bulbs I believe.

If there was gas inside or not, I don't know. I think it is air and that is what my tube has...just air and I had a magnet repel a couple inches so that shows me not what the tube originally had but at least with air, this kind of effect can be had.
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RE Tesla's big mistake article

I have proved that the transmitter will work without a ground connection. I am sure it works better with one but in my experiments it doesnt appear to work or be required...which is odd
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