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Old 06-25-2008, 06:01 AM
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Suppressed Technologies and Inventors

I ran a search here for "Suppressed Technologies," and found no results, so thought this thread would prove interesting and develop much discussion. In some threads there is discussion about a specific technology discovered in bygone days that never made it to the mainstream, and these stories prove to be very thought provoking. We build HHO generators for our vehicles in an attempt to reduce gasoline dependency, and we feel rather happy if we can say that we are now getting 40 to 60 miles per gallon. But our results are meager when compared to confirmed tests of carburetors developed by Charles Pogue (and patented in Canada) back in the 1930's, which delivered over 200 mpg! If you search US patents, there are literally hundreds of carburetion patents that claimed to deliver more than 100 mpg. Furthermore, fuel efficiency is just one example of technologies, and their inventors, that have been suppressed over many decades. I thought it would be interesting to look at these suppressions in a time line sequence, and was able to find a fairly decent representation at the link shown below. Someone did a lot of research to put all of this together, and added links to further information and patent documents, which makes it quite handy when delving further into a particular technology which is of especially high interest to the reader. This isn't a complete list, by any stetch of the imagination, but I am sure that anyone browsing through it will find something they weren't previously aware of. I would urge readers to use this thread to discuss the inventors and inventions that are listed, and to add listings (using same format of date, description, and reference links) of inventors and their inventions which are not included in the information given at the following link:

Suppressed Technoloties 2

Good browsing to you, Rickoff
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What a great list, thanks for the link!

Thought i might add this
Old Cars Weekly - 1959 Opel Record Miles Per Gallon

Dare i add common sense to the list of suppressed tech i mean jeez look at the list of record holders.
"The previous record of 49.73 m.p.g. was broken in 1939 by a 1947 Studebaker achieving mileage of 147 m.p.g.; in 1969, a Fiat 600 established a record of 244.35. In 1973, McMullen’s 1959 Opel P-1 Hardtop shattered that record with its 376.59 m.p.g. result"
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I have a great book titled "Suppressed Inventions and Other Discoveries". It is a fantastic book with all kinds of medical and technical information that has been suppressed. I'm not sure if anyone here has looked into it, but with regards to water/hydrogen converters, an inventor by the name of Francisco Pacheco built an amazing hydrogen generator/cell. patent # 5,089,107 . It uses basic chemestry and is fairly simple to construct. The only problem is getting magnesium in sheet form. I can't seem to find it. I did a small proof of concept to see if it might work. I used small scraps of the metals and arranged them in the correct manner. It seems to work fairly well even in small scale.
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CaptainScat, that's a great article on the 1959 Opel T-1 achieving 376.59 mpg in a 1973 contest sponsored by Shell Oil Company. Something does seem wrong, though, with the writer's statement that, "The previous record of 49.73 m.p.g. was broken in 1939 by a 1947 Studebaker achieving mileage of 147 m.p.g." According to that statement, the Studebaker would not yet have existed, and furthermore the Pogue carburetor set a record of more than 200 miles per gallon in 1936 under testing conducted by the Ford Motor Company. Of course that doesn't take anything away from the Opel's achievement. Aside from reducing weight in the vehicle, and utilizing a chain drive, the fuel delivery system was what made this achievement possible. The fuel delivery line was heated and insulated such that only vapors entered the intake manifold. Pre heated fuel vapor has so much faster and powerful burn properties than liquid gas that only a very small amount is needed to fuel and sustain an internal combustion engine.

Now here's an interesting and related tidbit - I once read of a man whose lawnmower engine would not run because the carburetor had clogged. Frustrated, he took a short length of fuel line hose, stuck one end into the gas tank, and the other end into the throttle bore of the carburetor. He squirted in a shot of gas to get the engine started, and to his surprise it actually kept going! Checking the fuel line end inserted in the half filled tank, he noticed that the hose end was not down into the fuel. He pushed it down into the fuel, and the engine cut out. "How could the engine run without sucking in gas," he thought to himself, and wondered, "could the engine actually be running off the fumes?" Placing the hose end above the fuel level again, he started the engine. Again it ran fine. Curious to see how long it would keep going, he timed it and it ran for three hours!

I can remember taking a trip as a youngster, in my dad's 1955 Chrysler. It was late at night, the fuel gage was down on empty, and we hadn't seen any open gas stations. Miles before we ran out, my dad jokingly remarked, "I don't know what's keeping us going. The engine must be running on the fumes by now." He was probably right.


Dambit, thanks for mentioning the book. Actually, much of the information on the website list, referred to in the first post of this thread, comes from that book - Suppressed Inventions and other Discoveries by Brian O'Leary, Christopher Bird, Jeanne Manning, and Barry Lynes, Auckland Institute of Technology Press. Yes, Pacheco's Hydrogen adaptations are very interesting. According to a write up at Suppressed Energy Technologies, "Francisco Pacheco - an inventor from Bolivia created the 'Pacheco Bi-Polar Auto electric Hydrogen Generator' (US PAT #5,089,107) which separates hydrogen from seawater. He has built successful prototypes that have fueled a car, a motorcycle, a lawn mower, a torch, a boat, and most recently in 1990 he energized an entire home in West Milford. After many conferences (including U.N.) and public exhibitions proving the invention's worth, the wider community is still unable to utilize this technology." For a very thorough writeup on the Pacheco story, telling all that he did and all the suppression he faced, look here:
Francisco Pacheco: Hydrogen Generator -- article & patent

Thanks for the posts, and keep 'em coming! Rickoff

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LOL, yup that would make that stude a bit of an anachronism indeed.

yes, the carburation of the opel is the main reason why i posted it. and to be fair the opel's achievement shouldn't take anything away from pogue. 200+mpg in '36 is phenom.
i'm a life long builder of hotrods. my father 'made' me rebuild the entire engine in my first minibike when i was 5, BEFORE i could ride it. i was so mad at him at the time... now, i can't even begin to describe how important of a lesson that was for me.

to anyone looking to find more performance/economy from your vehicle please learn all you can about the induction system, exhaust systems, heads and valvetrain as well as bore vs stroke relationships.
above all GET YOUR HANDS DIRTY!!!

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Falcon 6 Performance Handbook

thanks again rickoff

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I don't know if this stuff was suppressed or it just never caught on:chindogu
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Great article there on suppresion. What I think is that instead of wondering if there is suppression which there definetly is. It seems a better path of action would be to find out who specifically is doing this and hunt them down like so many vermin and expose them to the light of day for ALL to see. Expose them and denounce them and then ostracise them.
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I have a great book titled "Suppressed Inventions and Other Discoveries". It is a fantastic book with all kinds of medical and technical information that has been suppressed. I'm not sure if anyone here has looked into it, but with regards to water/hydrogen converters, an inventor by the name of Francisco Pacheco built an amazing hydrogen generator/cell. patent # 5,089,107 . It uses basic chemestry and is fairly simple to construct. The only problem is getting magnesium in sheet form. I can't seem to find it. I did a small proof of concept to see if it might work. I used small scraps of the metals and arranged them in the correct manner. It seems to work fairly well even in small scale.
Dear Dambit,

If you Google "magnesium sheet", there are 2.7 million hits. I think the days of not being able to find things are over. When in doubt, just do a Google search. Its out there!

Hope this helps.

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i am trying to find where i can buy a ferromagnetic core can anyone help me bill57
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Old 06-27-2008, 08:06 AM
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Good advice, Peter

You're absolutely right, Peter. Google has a great search engine, and I like to keep a Google Advanced Search tab open at all times in my Vista browser. Whatever you have in mind, Google can find many references to it very quickly. I know that you are surely very proficient at using advanced search techniques, Peter, but to Dambit and others who are less experienced with search engines, this should help:

In an advanced search, you can narrow your results so that they are more apt to directly apply to what you have in mind. For example, if you use the exact phrase "Magnesium sheet" along with the word Hydrogen in the All these words pane, this will narrow your search to 732 results. If you also add the word supplier to the All these words pane, you will narrow your search to 216 results, and you will find a wealth of information about suppliers of magnesium sheet metal made specifically for Hydrogen storage and Hydrogen generation applications.

Incidentally, it is interesting to note that Francisco Pacheco used sea water in his hydrogen generator. Daniel Dingel also used sea water in creating hydrogen. Sea water naturally contains magnesium, and much of the magnesium produced in the U.S. comes from electrolysis of fused magnesium chloride derived from sea water. Perhaps the magnesium in sea water is a boosting factor to hydrogen which allows sea water to burn with a 2,000 degree flame when exposed to John Kanzius's Radio Frequency Generator (see YouTube - John Kanzius - Saltwater Burns ).

Note that positively charged sodium ions and negatively charged chloride ions are the most abundant ions of sea salt, and are the third and fourth most abundant of the 13 constituents of sea water, directly following hydrogen and oxygen, while magnesium is the fifth. We know that sodium and chloride (from Hydrochloric Acid as a result of volcanic venting to sea water) are both useful in electrolytes. It is a known fact that magnesium will react with diluted acids to liberate hydrogen. Sea water has diluted acids, but overall is slightly more alkaline than human blood on the Ph scale.

Just some tidbits - food for thought and discussion - from an old salt,

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Hi Bill,

I don't see how your question relates to suppressed technologies, unless you are attempting to replicate a suppressed device. The answer, though, depends upon precisely what you are trying to build. Ferromagnetic cores are made from ferrous metals, which are either iron or iron containing alloys. You can form a core from a single piece of metal, or you can fabricate a core from several pieces of metal that are laminated (or otherwise bound) together tightly. For example, most experimenters use bunched pieces of welding rod for Bedini SG coil cores. If you are building something that requires a large core, or one that must be machined to a specific shape (to match the curvature of a rotor, for example) you could start by looking at your nearest scrap metal yard. You will find a lot of cast iron and steel there (don't select stainless steel, as it has very little ferrous metal in the alloy). Normally you don't want to select metal that has already become magnetized, so take a small piece of non-magnetized ferrous metal with you and make sure it isn't attracted to the piece you are considering. Also take a small magnet with you to test the metal for attraction. You don't want core material that does not attract a magnet. If you don't have the equipment needed to cut and machine the core, you can take the material to a machine shop, along with a drawing and specifications. Alternately, you could ask the machine shop to supply new raw material for the core to be machined, or purchase the material directly from a metals supplier such as Metals Depot® - Buy Small Quantity Metal Online! Steel, Aluminum, Stainless, Brass or McMaster-Carr You can find many more supply companies if you do a simple Google search. If you need more help, try searching for a forum thread that applies to the type of device you want to build, and please try to be more specific when asking questions. We have many remarkable, intelligent, and experienced people participating in the energetic forums who would gladly offer their assistance, but first we must know some specifics about your project.

Hope this helps somewhat. Best wishes to you, Rickoff
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Thanks Peter,

I can get Mg sheet but I have to order it from interstate. It's not very common in Australia outside dedicated uses, most places that have Mg have it in ingots. Also, people over here think it's dangerous. Mind you it's not very heavy so I'll look into shipping costs.

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Hi dambit,

That's too bad you can't locate any magnesium sheet metal in Austrailia. That surprises me, because it seems that Australia is one of the most progressive countries when it comes to development of free energy concepts and devices. Suppliers everywhere, though, are wary of selling magnesium to individuals, and do treat it as a hazardous material. The main reason why magnesium is considered dangerous is because of fire hazard. Magnesium powder is an exlposion hazard because it is very easy to ignite, and burns with an intense flame. That's why it is used so widely in the manufacture of fireworks. Your eyes can be permanently damaged if you stare at a magnesium flame. You can scrape a bar of magnesium with a knife blade and create some really hot sparks that will start a fire very quickly. In sheet metal form, magnesium poses less of a danger than powdered or ribboned magnesium, but it will auto-ignite at less than 900F degrees and will accellerate to 4,000F degrees. Once ignited, a magnesium fire can not be extinguished using CO2, and water will accellerate the burn. Magnesium will react with water to form Hydrogen at room temperature, which poses an increased danger in an indoor environment. Industries that use magnesium are required to store it in a dry, fireproof environment, and it must be kept isolated from flammable liquids, gasses, or substances known to react with magnesium.

Hope this helps. Best regards to you, Rickoff
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On the topic of suppression did anybody see the documentery "Who Killed the Electric Car?". Really good imho.
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On the topic of suppression did anybody see the documentery "Who Killed the Electric Car?". Really good imho.
I loved it!....

Sony did a terrific job on that...

Another flick if you like that one is "The Tucker"
Tucker: The Man and His Dream (1988)

More info about the real details...
Preston Tucker - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

What I liked about it, is it showed both sides of the issue...

After watching it, I tried to think of it from the company's side. What if I was forced to sell a product that was costing me money.....

Still to know that those in power will crush that which destroys their profit margins is a present and real reality.
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Hi folks,

Thanks for the good posts. They really did kill the electric car (the EV-1), and because they were just too good. They never sold any of them - just leased them out to customers, then later simply rounded them all up and hauled them away. Most were given to universities, minus of course the controller systems. The universities have had some luck reverse engineering the controller systems, and one is to be seen here, courtesy of the University of Wisconsin: YouTube - Working EV1 !! You can see the "Who Killed the Electric Car" video at this site: YouTube - Who Killed the Electric Car? (Part 1 of 11)

I loved the Tucker movie, and I have probably watched it at least a half dozen times. It brings home the reality that if you are not filthy rich already then you don't stand any chance whatsoever of building and marketing a product that makes the competition look bad. They're just not going to allow that to happen. Only 51 Tucker prototypes were built for 1948, when financing went bad. Still, many of these cars are alive and roadworthy today. Check it out at the Tucker Club: news

As a sidenote, I heard that they opened a new Shell Hydrogen refueling station a couple of days ago in California. Seems that governor Arnold wants to establish his Hydrogen superhighway. There are 25 refueling stsions in California now. Great idea - that should help clean up some of the smog. Hydrogen production at the Shell station will be done on-site by the electrolysis of water using 'green electricity' purchased from the Los Angeles City Department of Water & Power. It will then be compressed and stored to provide daily fueling. I wonder, though, what people are getting whacked there for a Hydrogen fillup. This note from Shell's Hydrogen FAQ seems to explain things just as I expected: "How much does hydrogen cost compared to petrol at the present moment? This is comparing apples and pears. There is no existing commercial market for hydrogen yet. However we have publicly stated that we expect a tank of hydrogen ultimately will get you as far as the same tank filled with petrol for about the same costs."

Now isn't that just ducky?

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Hi folks,

Thanks for the good posts. They really did kill the electric car (the EV-1), and because they were just too good. They never sold any of them - just leased them out to customers, then later simply rounded them all up and hauled them away. Most were given to universities, minus of course the controller systems. The universities have had some luck reverse engineering the controller systems, and one is to be seen here, coutresy of the University of Wisconsin: YouTube - Working EV1 !! You can see the "Who Killed the Electric Car" video at this site: YouTube - Who Killed the Electric Car? (Part 1 of 11)
Think about that...

If you are working actively to promote alternative electric cars, then WHY WHY do you remove the working controllers of the car?

You are right, they made it TOO good and they must hide that which opens the minds. Better closed minds to the only solution the SUV.
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If you Google "magnesium sheet", there are 2.7 million hits. I think the days of not being able to find things are over. When in doubt, just do a Google search. Its out there!

Hope this helps.

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Hi Peter,

I did a Google search for "Tesla's vocabulary for dummies".

I know there's at least one copy on the planet. ;-)

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Time to target academia?

One thing that interests me on this subject is, how the heck are so many university science dept's kept from studying these technologies... It would seem there is a very coordinated effort somewhere to insure they do not.

You would think that somewhere, somehow one of these profs or university administration people would speak out about it.

i understand how the grant system works (i used to sell electronic test & measurement equipment to research labs), and its all about money, writing props, abstracts, getting published, the next years' funds. I'm sure that's how it is controlled: via the tyranny of the grant. But still, some tenured faculty should be *****ing about how they couldn't get their dept. heads to let them study very promising and important technology. Even if only, say 15% would be willing to speak out, that's still hundreds. We should have heard of at least a few.

And thesis work: Are there many thesis being written on this stuff, and were the authors flunked for it, lol? Or were they threatened not to use that subject? Some of these post-grads and associates should be complaining too.

This subject could be a great way to publicize and change the situation if we could get information and witnesses to suppression on this. I suspect that if this is going on (as it must be, or there would be university studies on free energy subjects by the score), then many of the people involved are not happy about it, and pressuring them a little may make them speak out, especially if they thought there would be others doing it too.

University faculty and admins should be an enlightened bunch.... As a population group anyway, lol. It should be our best chance at breaking through, of getting some traction. But there is utter silence from there so far. Why?

Imo.. All it will take is a brave few, and many more will speak out, and then the suppression will collapse and end. They cant go around killing profs who have gone public on the Internet, after all lol... bad form. And once the accusations are leveled at the administrations, they would be in a heck of a hard spot, and will have to do something in this regard, if only token, in the near future. But a crack in the wall could be significant, and may be all we need to break it down

"Denying" isn't working anymore (it's risky when the positions are so weak, because their own "troops" are of above average intelligence), they are instead using "ignoring" (silence) as their main strategy now. But that doesn't work when it is thrown in their face. Just like the silence of suppression in the mainstream news media: It is extremely dangerous for them to do it, because it is so easy to prove; by definition they cannot hide the act once it comes out. So they and the universities are in a more precarious situation every day, and it must be making some involved in it very nervous, if they have a conscience or even self-preservation instincts that suspect they might end up on the wrong side once it does come out... Perhaps nervous enough to "defect".

Every day the ecology gets worse, every day the wars for oil continue, this must weigh heavily on some of these peoples' minds....

After all, if there is a sea-change and suppression is outed and gets attention, there will be many job openings from all the fired dept. heads who went along with it and were left holding the bag... It could be a very wise and profitable career move to jump ship and go public before this happens.

So maybe it is time to pressure acedemia....?
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We are doing demos to "target" them. Main thing is when you get validation from a third party accredited faculty, you can build consumer awareness and demand of OU systems, it makes it impossible to suppress.
You cant stop public demand.

We are taking in our Bedini, and when ready RAVI/Bob Boyce for this. More is on the panacea site. Great writing there too Steve do you mind if i use it in parts on the Panacea site Bro?

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Hi Peter,

I did a Google search for "Tesla's vocabulary for dummies".

I know there's at least one copy on the planet. ;-)

Duane


Sorry Duane,

There never were any copies of Tesla's Vocabulary for Dummies available. It was a goofy prop I whipped up in my Photo Shop to get people's attention during my lecture Tesla's Radiant Energy. Unfortunately, the joke was too subtle and thousands of folks thought the book was real.

Right now, it has become one of the most popular books that never existed!

Maybe I can get into the Guinness Book of World Records for creating that!

Peter
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Re: Non-existant book

Gosh, Peter, why don't you go ahead with actually writing and publishing the book in a web-downloadable format - you would probably make a killing on it with all the demand for such a text! It would probably be just the thing to finance some more R&D projects.

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One thing that interests me on this subject is, how the heck are so many university science dept's kept from studying these technologies... It would seem there is a very coordinated effort somewhere to insure they do not.
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So maybe it is time to pressure acedemia....?
I doesn't know why exactly universities don't teach about this and are not researching it, but one thought I have - there is very little or no science background to free-energy, it has to be built over traditional science, that could be or couldn't be done, or it has to bo created from zero. At both cases it is not easy, at least at my university professors seems to feel more comfortable in teaching old and "proven" stuff. Yet recently were opened innovation center, so maybe there will be possibility to do some work in researching this field.

Well, about pressure... Just after summer holidays I (as long with other my year physics students) will have course about electricity (with laboratory) and EM, so I have planned to build some interesting device or devices, that violates classical way of view, show it to professors and other students and ask to them - wtf (sorry for expression) is this, how we can explain it? And if we can't, why in the name of Einstein we are not researching this phenomena? I think if some simple experiments would be done and results thrown it to united EU (European Union) university society, then there will be consequences.
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@Peter: LOL !!

@Ash ; Sure m8 Panacea-BOCAF has permission to use anything i hack out on free energy / hydroxy .

@Tehnoman: Just don't get flunked over it, its not worth it!.. Maybe tell your Prof what you are thinking about doing first and watch carefully for his/her reactions.... Many of them "honestly" think free energy is all bunk, and others that don't, may get angry with you for inadvertently pointing out their own failings.

Once you get the diploma, then you can thumb your nose at them all. But you are in their court now; and you don't want to be that proverbial sticking-up nail that gets hammered down


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Of course, I want to make discussion about that with our professors. And yes, will be watching reaction of them and If something will go wrong, will back off. Yet, I'm one of the best students of my year, so I hope that I'll be able to do some good.

I guess I said things little bit too sharp in my previous post.
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Thanks a lot Peter, now you tell us...

After reading about that book somewhere I remember I scoured the Interweb and online bookstores, eBay, even phoned the publisher of the For Dummies series asking about that book, and they have never heard of it, obviously
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Sorry Duane,

There never were any copies of Tesla's Vocabulary for Dummies available. It was a goofy prop I whipped up in my Photo Shop to get people's attention during my lecture Tesla's Radiant Energy. Unfortunately, the joke was too subtle and thousands of folks thought the book was real.

Right now, it has become one of the most popular books that never existed!

Maybe I can get into the Guinness Book of World Records for creating that!

Peter
Hi Peter,

Damn. Had me hook, line, and sinker.. lol

Seriously, I really need a book like that!!

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Green Energy Technology Suppression

I can't believe I missed this great thread for so long - sorry.

I have been following Technology Suppression for almost five years now and am a big fan/supporter of Project Orion and collected a petition with 300,000 signatures last year that we sent to the National Science Foundation and President Obama (all that work for a "Thank You letter and no follow-up).

I attached some info here that may be of interest to you. My direct interest was in three big cases of Stan Meyers (watercar) Rory Johnson (Magnetic motor) and Dimitri Petronov (Thorium plasma battery)

Aside from the games played at the U.S. Patent office, another way big brother prevents technology disclosure is through ITAR - a suppression tool in the hands of the Department of Commerce and Department of State, used on average 600 times per year. Any invention that can possibly have a military application is subject to review and export ban or outright censorship. You already know about what happened to Tom Valone at the USPTO, but check out what happened to "Danny". Because of 911 Americans were fed so much fear they have all become obedient sheep and swallowed the Patriot Act dry without questions. See the attachments. Anyway here are some cool links I found that you might be interested in-

Censorship - The Only Reason We Are Still Addicted To Oil! - Green Energy Reports - Open Salon

Plasma Battery Inventors Disappearing Regularly *|* Peak Oil News and Message Boards

Now if I was to play the devli's advocate, I would throw this link into the mix about the bird flu... Should the new flu stay secret? Or does secrecy kill? | The Loom | Discover Magazine

As to how they keep University researchers quiet is with grant money. They bait them with promises of huge grants for pet projects and the make them sign off on non-disclosure agreements with huge fine and forfeiture penalties. What professor wants to be responsible for getting their employer fined?!? I am a big fan of Thorium nuclear power and even though MIT, Harvard, Princeton, and Stanford have all been pushing "the establishment" hard to switch from Thorium to Uranium, they are getting the same "Pons & Fleischman" treatment. MIT Professor Gene Mallove fought back and looked what happened to him and another plasma battery inventor Aries DeGeus - murdered.

Thorium Plasma Battery Technology - Wrongly Top Secret? - Green Energy Reports - Open Salon

Anyway, now that we all know the problem, how do we spread the word to every American with a brain and a spine? Nothing is likely to change unless it becomes a public issue - and this IS an election year yes?


P.S. Peter you had me going with the Tesla book - so much so that I sent an email to Amazon.com with an inquiry for an "out of print copy"!
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