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Old 06-24-2008, 09:46 PM
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Tesla's radiant energy system (for Peter Lindemann)

Hello to all! For a long period of time i was studying Tesla's patents, but there was a turning-point, induced me to start practics. That turning-point were your videos and books, Peter. So i want to talk about radiant energy.

I've learned in depth the book "Secrets of cold electricity", also watched "Tesla's longitudinal electricity" video. So i and group of engineers decided to replicate Tesla's radiant energy system. There are three types of electricity by Tesla: DC, AC and radiant current. Radiant current is produced by tiny particles of aether.

In his experiments Tesla used spark gaps with unidirectional impulses to release radiant energy. Classical physics tell us the spark gap is a universal resonance tuner for any circuit, cause plasma discharge generates several frequencies. But this is what classics tell us. We can assume that Tesla used spark gap, cause he haven't modern semiconductors. But also we can assume that spark gap have some unique characteristics, that can't be obtained with semiconductors.

1. Is it possible to use mosfets instead of spark gaps?

2. Why did Eric Dollard caught radiant flow only from the bulb, but not directly from the transmitter's secondary? In the book of Gerry Vassilatos Tesla said that radiant stream went from the secondary of his discharge system. "Furthermore, whenever a metal point was connected to the upper terminal of one of his Transformers, the stream became more directive. It behaved just like a stream of water in a pipe."

3. What resonant frequency has been chosen in Eric's transmitter? Eric Dollard said that every oscillating system has two resonant frequencies: one for transversal waves and one for longitudinal waves. Doctor Meyl calculated that the speed of propagation of longitudinal wave is 1.5 times greater than the speed of light. So should we design secondary with the rule of 1/4 of longitudinal wave length, or electromagnetic wave?

4. More resistance of secondary - more radiant energy from it, is it right? What material should we use to wind secondary coil with vaximum resistance?
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Old 06-24-2008, 09:59 PM
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We designed PCBs with flat pancake coils and bifilar coils .



We decided to buy CG39.0LTR spark gap Littelfuse - Part #CG39.0LTR
High voltage TDK ceramic capasitor 15kV 7000pF.

So we want at first release this schematic:
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Old 06-25-2008, 04:59 PM
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Hello to all! For a long period of time i was studying Tesla's patents, but there was a turning-point, induced me to start practics. That turning-point were your videos and books, Peter. So i want to talk about radiant energy.

I've learned in depth the book "Secrets of cold electricity", also watched "Tesla's longitudinal electricity" video. So i and group of engineers decided to replicate Tesla's radiant energy system. There are three types of electricity by Tesla: DC, AC and radiant current. Radiant current is produced by tiny particles of aether.

In his experiments Tesla used spark gaps with unidirectional impulses to release radiant energy. Classical physics tell us the spark gap is a universal resonance tuner for any circuit, cause plasma discharge generates several frequencies. But this is what classics tell us. We can assume that Tesla used spark gap, cause he haven't modern semiconductors. But also we can assume that spark gap have some unique characteristics, that can't be obtained with semiconductors.

1. Is it possible to use mosfets instead of spark gaps?

2. Why did Eric Dollard caught radiant flow only from the bulb, but not directly from the transmitter's secondary? In the book of Gerry Vassilatos Tesla said that radiant stream went from the secondary of his discharge system. "Furthermore, whenever a metal point was connected to the upper terminal of one of his Transformers, the stream became more directive. It behaved just like a stream of water in a pipe."

3. What resonant frequency has been chosen in Eric's transmitter? Eric Dollard said that every oscillating system has two resonant frequencies: one for transversal waves and one for longitudinal waves. Doctor Meyl calculated that the speed of propagation of longitudinal wave is 1.5 times greater than the speed of light. So should we design secondary with the rule of 1/4 of longitudinal wave length, or electromagnetic wave?

4. More resistance of secondary - more radiant energy from it, is it right? What material should we use to wind secondary coil with vaximum resistance?
Dear Ashanin,

Thanks for your interest in Radiant Energy. You are asking good questions. Unfortunately, at this time I am just too busy to wade into all of your questions.

When I was 25, nobody even knew what Radiant Energy was. Today, because of the work of Eric Dollard, Gerry Vassilatos, John Bedini and myself, Radiant energy is understood and being put to practical use.

You are just going to have to learn the answers to your questions by doing your own experiments and thinking about it, like we did. Maybe Lighty, or others working with this technology can help you. Read the other threads in this Forum on Radiant Energy. A lot has been discussed already.

Best wishes,

Peter
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Old 06-25-2008, 07:46 PM
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easy way to start observing radiant and unbelievably easy to make
http://www.angelfire.com/80s/sixmhz/trashy.html

found this one when searching for spark gaps ,this guru built this one from scrap to show how easy it is to get into study of tesla

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Old 06-25-2008, 08:42 PM
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And where did you see radiant streams in ordinary tesla coil? Tesla designed his magnifying transfirmer as electrostatic and radiant energy device, but not as electromagnetic resonance circuit. Streamers from tesla coil are side effects of this device. The main Tesla's aim was transmitting radiant energy. Streamers cancels all radiant effects.
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Hi Ashinin,

If you read Secrets of Cold War Technology chapter 1 on Tesla...what is your analysis of it? Just curious and welcome to the forum.
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Old 06-25-2008, 09:12 PM
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The main Tesla's aim was transmitting radiant energy. Streamers cancels all radiant effects.

What most people don't realize is the fact that the transfer of radiant energy occurs through the ground and not through the atmosphere or any other surrounding media. Tesla was very adamant about the fact that electric energy can be transfered through single wire (Strebkov, Zaev and Avramenko pretty much confirmed this in the most practical sense) with almost no loses using the resonant effect of what we would nowadays call transmission line. He was also very explicit in his claim that since the single wire tranfer is possible then Earth could be utilized as a single wire conductor.

As for the streamers and any kind of EM radiation whatsoever emanating from his transmitter- he was also repeating over and over and over again that his system was designed in such a way to prevent any kind of EM transmission to the surrounding media other than Earth and that the energy transfer occurred exclusively through a ground conduction (or rather ground single wire system). That was also one of the reason he limited frequency output of the carrier to the absolute maximum of 200 kilocycles. Finally that's also the reason that when you see streamers of any sort being emanated from the secondary you can be pretty much sure that you've made a mistake Tesla warned about- you wasted energy in the form of Hertz waves to the surrounding media.
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Old 06-25-2008, 09:14 PM
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1. I think we should achieve the shortest pulse fronts. It is possible only with spark gaps, cause there are no powerful and fast switching semiconductors for high voltages. Only with such a voltage we can produce visible radiant effects.

2. We should find optimal place of spark gap in primary chain to produce positive or negative radiant waves.
3. We should find materials for secondary with huge resistance to prevent electrons from moving.

4. It is necessary to check resonance frequencies for longitudinal waves and to design 1/4 wave resonator system.

5. We can catch radiant flows with metal plates connected with capasitors.
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Old 06-25-2008, 10:16 PM
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Basically you don't need any special material for secondary. You just have to read what Tesla said about the way coils have to be constructed.
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Old 06-25-2008, 10:32 PM
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lighty, Tesla said the secondary should be 1/4 wave resonator. He also used conical coils in his transmitters. What coil do you mean?
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Old 06-25-2008, 10:39 PM
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Your gap will determine the frequency.
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Old 06-25-2008, 10:55 PM
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Chip Shorter, spark gap automatically tunes the circuit to it's resonanse frequency. It will not determine pulses frequency but capasitor.
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Indeed but as his secondary had to be 1/4 lambda you really ought to look into the theory of Tesla coils (or what people call like that) and see what happens with voltage potential at 1/4 lambda as well what happens at the ground connection.

Also, if you want to use Tesla's system as he intended it you have to go to frequencies below 200kcycles- if you read that Tesla spoke about several miles of wire in his secondary (and he used 1/4 lambda winding) you can see that the frequencies he used had to be below 50kcycles (most probably between 10-30kcycles). The self-induction of the coil and the resistance of thin copper wire at that length should serve more than adequately to slow down electrons (if you go after that theory).

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Old 06-25-2008, 11:20 PM
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Eric Dollard produced radiant effects at 2.9Mhz for example
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Old 06-25-2008, 11:35 PM
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Yes he did, but he compromised (I suspect because of low budget) and wasn't striving for highly efficient energy transfer to distance. About that one you really ought to ask Peter.
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And where did you see radiant streams in ordinary tesla coil? Tesla designed his magnifying transfirmer as electrostatic and radiant energy device, but not as electromagnetic resonance circuit. Streamers from tesla coil are side effects of this device. The main Tesla's aim was transmitting radiant energy. Streamers cancels all radiant effects.
For one thing I never implied that what I posted was a Magnifying transmitter, it was some interesting work of tesla that i found when i was doing my spark gaps. I have no knowledge of telsa's magnifying transmitter and prob should not have posted. I apologize.

You had only mentioned spark gaps, and when i was searching i found that site that has a very simple project to do to learn more of tesla's work, NOT his magnifying transmitter. Which I have no intention of studying. Very difficult system that no goverment on this earth will let you utilize on a large scale. Sad but True. If the great Peter Lindemann Recommended Lighty to advise, you could do no better than to listen to EVERYTHING he has to say about it. If peter feels he has a has a grasp of the subject he more than likely does. Good luck to you and my motto is never give up

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Old 06-26-2008, 09:08 AM
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If the great Peter Lindemann Recommended Lighty to advise, you could do no better than to listen to EVERYTHING he has to say about it. If peter feels he has a has a grasp of the subject he more than likely does.

While I do have a certain level of understanding and with my colleague I've done quite a number of experiments on the subject I'm also lagging a number of years behind Peter, Dollard and Bedini. The problem is that everybody thinks it's easy to engineer an efficient radiant energy system and while it's principles are quite simple getting everything to work as intended requires at least some level of professional EE knowledge and a lot of hands on experience, not to say access to at least some appropriate measurements equipment and machine shop. I produced some number of large exhibit pieces for museums such as large Tesla coils (and yeah I know it's not really a Tesla coil as he intended it), big rotational magnetic field demonstrators (large Tesla's Egg of Columbus), exact replica of his induction motor, demonstrator of Tesla turbine etc. The fact is that I struggled a lot to produce them up to specs until I got the grip of the engineering aspects of each of those devices and a number of times I had to consult professionals in their respective fields to make appropriate engineering decision. In case of radiant energy there are no engineering professionals out there. Peter, Dollard and Bedini struggle with radiant energy, even Tesla himself struggled for great number of years and with large budget and number of engineers at his disposal.

What I'm trying to say is that it's all nice and well playing with rather small coils and small sparks but when it comes to larger, more complex and more expensive stuff (and more dangerous!) I really doubt ordinary hobbyists stand much chance of producing such a system. I doubt it even more when I see that most of people don't even have some very basic engineering skills. Tesla was very adamant about that fact- one has to scientifically understand what one's doing. That was his definition of an engineer as opposed to tinkerer.

That being said I will help as much as possible to people who have at least some basic engineering knowledge. For basics one should really read some books and get some courses. I just wanted to express my point of view on the subject.
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Old 06-26-2008, 02:23 PM
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lighty, have you produced radiant streams?
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Old 06-26-2008, 05:17 PM
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Radiant energy- yes. Radiant streams- no. Producing radiant energy is conceptually not so hard but how to manipulate it and utilize it is something we're struggling with.

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