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Old 06-18-2008, 08:11 AM
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Allotropic Nitrogen - Active Nitrogen

Active Nitrogen is "made" when high voltage is exposed to almost pure nitrogen with an almost non-existent amount of oxygen or other gases. The nitrogen with glow with a GOLDEN color. This was discovered by Lord Rayleigh.

Please see this for more info:
Lateral Science - Strutt`s Allotropic Nitrogen

LORD RAYLEIGH`S
ACTIVE NITROGEN

"What of nitrogen? Is not it`s apparent great simplicity of action all a sham?" Michael Faraday

In 1910 R.J.Strutt (Lord Rayleigh) discovered that an electrical discharge in nitrogen gas produced "active nitrogen", an allotrope considered to be monatomic. The "whirling cloud of brilliant yellow light" produced by his apparatus reacted with quicksilver to produce explosive mercury nitride.
From Modern Inorganic Chemistry, J.W.Mellor 1934 --





From A Text-Book of Inorganic Chemistry, J.R.Partington 1946 --

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Old 06-18-2008, 08:20 AM
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golden swirling light

The reason I am posting this thread on allotropic nitrogen \ active nitrogen, I can't mention at this point.

There is a device that has golden swirling light inside as the shaft with rotors is spinning up to very high speeds...the light gets more intense the faster it goes. It isn't just for show, but it seems that there is some extracted energy from this into the electrical circuits to keep it going.

The plastic cylinder that the shaft/rotors are sealed inside appears to be filled with nitrogen as 'possibly evidenced' by the swirling golden light inside.

The most sense I have been able to make out of it is that it is nitrogen and is possibly operating as Marinov's SAP - self accelerating plasma tube.
Please see this post for it:
http://amasci.com/freenrg/sap.txt

Make sure to look at this diagram on that page:
Ionising gas in donut tube-"x"


and appears to be a hybrid with an electromechanical battery:
https://www.llnl.gov/str/pdfs/04_96.2.pdf
using a passive magnetic bearing system like the Halbach Array
and can get to well over 100,000 rpm while self running.

Any comments?
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Old 06-18-2008, 10:25 PM
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Hi Aaron,

I think you are right about the swirling golden light being the same type of reaction as in the 1920 J Strutt experiments, and Marinov's SAP tube, and that the gas used in the "donut tube" configuration is probably Nitrogen. Are you thinking of utilizing the effect for an experiment? One thing to take note of is that the strength of the swirling yellow light is increased by cooling the nitrogen, not by heating it, and that the yellow light is activated and sustained after the capacior/inductor discharge.

Interesting link to the EMB's Aaron. These are really high-revving units! The high revs are made possible by frictionless magnetic bearings, which levitate the rotor shaft, and the high revs are what make the kinetic storage in a lightweight flywheel successful. Great output to input efficiency of 95%. Only problem I see with these is that the cost to build or buy them would be very high, and you would need about 20 of these EMB's (each the size of a large size coffee can) to power an electric motor vehicle for a range of 200 miles, and then you need a way to recharge the EMB's when taveling - a "charging station" infrastructure. That's the downside. Once again, the companies that build and control these recharging stations would control the cost of recharging, and we would be at their mercy. Bummer!

By the way, the "donut tube" configuration brings to mind something I heard Jim Sabori mention in his Papp engine video. He was showing the inside of the long chamber from the top, and then flipped it over (end to end) to show what he called the "donut" chamber. I believe that was in the segment near the end of the video, where they disassembled the parts down to the engine block.

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Old 06-19-2008, 08:51 PM
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nitrogen effects

Hi Rick,

I have a massive compilation about electromechanical batteries and most of it is not available publicly online. If I can find it in the near future, I'll upload it.

For the golden light effect, I'm not ready to do an experiment with any of it yet. I'm really working on getting it through my head the purpose in that particular setup.

I was reminded last night of a reference in the book Secrets of Cold War Technology by Gerry Vassilatos....VERY RECOMMENDED...CHAPTER 1 ON TESLA! Reference in there is about Tesla mentioning that the ULTIMATE spark gap quencher is sealed with magnets and filled with nitrogen. The nitrogen sucks the electrons away so there is pure aetheric flow.

If it soaks up electrons, that adds another variable.

But, when the nitrogen is in its active glowing state is it possible it is donating electrons in its highly energetic state? Maybe there is free current obtained from that gas in that state?

It makes sense that it would be cooler as any of these systems that would be over 1.0 cop should have some negentropic effects like cooling. Maybe the gas itself is acting as a capacitor to store charge and release it over time?
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