I applaud everyone who comes to this forum to learn and share.

My observation seems to indicate we have lots of "newbies" who are ether in such a rush to know everything or are just to lazy, to do the basic research for themselves or maybe don't know where to look

I understand wanting to know and the frustration of not knowing where to look for the information. I also know trying to read every post on this forum would and did drive me a little nuts (OK maybe more than a little)

Again my observation is that the veterans here have collectively hundreds of years of experience and research and have been willing to share, discuss and guide.

Maybe the veterans could start a beginners page for the main topics, this could include basic theory, general practices and safety concerns as well as links to associated readings. This may save everyone a lot of time and frustration.

I for one am a little worried about handing an HHO bomb or a Tessla coil to someone who doesn't know at least the basics and understands the dangers involved. Not only dangerous to them but damaging to the research efforts if were labeled as dangerous or possible terrorists due to the ignorance of a few individuals.

Just trying to solve a precieved problem and help those who come looking. Open to ideas

Tarkus,

Very good idea

I think Main Page - PESWiki has done the best job of this.

I think we should point new users there, and support that page by updating the info there with anything in addition.

They have the safety, disclaimers, and massive links to other sites.

I don't believe in re-inventing the wheel, Pehaps a Sticky - > links forum for newbies that points to this site?

Good idea.... I have been thinking the same thing.

Aaron has kindly allowed me to post a link to my forum

Free Energy Developer's Forum :: Index

I have been receiving many messages through my youtube account asking for advice on the SSG so I recently set up this forum to help answer some of those questions and like to think it is a good place to start with the SSG.

But the intention of the forum is encourage beginners to start their own research and experiments into "free energy" and in doing so help spread awareness. I intend to expand it to include other devices as well though the SSG is my specialty. If anyone want to open their own section on another device there just let me know!

I don't want to take traffic away from the Energetic Forums as this is one of the best resources online for people of any experience level. The expertise of many of its members is awe inspiring and I thank them for all the advice they provide!

I have benn searching for a group that has not only knowledge, but tolerance,to newbies. So, even though I am not a newbie to electonic motors, natural remedies,and the such that are listed here on energetic forums, not just in the motor section, I am a newbie to this forum. I would like, however a map of the motor section to allow, not only newbies, but seniors, to navigate the the threads. I have already built two bedinis(?), using reed switches. An Adams motor, and am now working on a pulse motor to propel a vehicle @ more than 25mph. All help is appreciated. The other forums always made me feel like there was no place for a "newbie" like me, unless I somehow became a senior member. Catch-22. How am I supposed to become a senior if I can't ask questions? Gotta start somewhere. Good teachers are much harder to find that willing students.

Think these folks are anxious to get going with thier dreams so they may jump the gun...

There is much good info here and using search engines for whats missing. There is so much informational ground coverd in this forum. It could be broken many ways and still be convaluted.

What might help is to to categorize the energy forum into other strata. This might cut some confusion

Example: might be home systems in energy vs vehicle systems.



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Being new to this forum and on a quest for information I would agree a separation of Home vs Auto would be benificial to all.

That is a great idea.

Let me see if I can state this properly. Who is so pathetically scared of a question by a "newbie" that can't be bothered to answer a question that they have already asked? I am sure that anyone that despises questions from someone else, that they had to ask their teacher, is somehow beneath them, is probably the most ignorant, pathetic moron,and no one with any answers themselves.

I think the point, and this is just an assumption from a newbie, that if answers are clearly and easily found, is if said individual has the common sense to hit that little button on the top right called "SEARCH", then they should be using it.

I can honestly say from personal experiance that people who fail to use, dont bother to use, or arent competent enough to use the search button on ANY forum, really, really aggreviate consistant users.

For example, but maybe not to relative to this site: I post frequently on a truck forum (v6f150.com) where Ive been a member for years. One of the first guys there to add forced induction to their 4.2L v6.

Whats the number one thread posting? How does a flowmaster sound? Whats the best exhaust? What bolt-ons are made for this truck?

Not only are there countless sticky's and NUMEROUS threads answering these exact questions, but if member xyz had simply typed the same question into the search about 500 threads would pop up. Had joe schmo simply taken the time to scan through a couple of threads to try and find his answer, member older than dust wouldnt feel like he or she is answering the exact same question weekly. I quickly searched for "best exhaust". 500 threads came up. Re-searched with "best exhaust" in quotes and 11 threads came up. Not only are there 7 threads titled the exact same thing, but one of them is titled "Dead Horse". Another, "The Exhaust thread to End Them All".

Just one of my pet peeves, and I hope I don't ruffle any feathers. But there is no harm in asking of something you dont understand. Its another thing, in my humblest opinion, to not even try and just expect answers.

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Garrett

Thanks Garrett, well put.

muttdog: Try to understand that if someone is asking 1st grade questions trying to be a graduate student, its very frustrating to the others who have spent years and thousands of hours researching and experimenting answering the most basic theory questions time and time again.

Most here are very willing to share data, methods and test results freely, I myself am not willing to spend hours teaching someone the basics just so they can understand my test results. This is like trying to join in a conversation in a foreign language and wanting the people already in it to teach you the language just so you can comment on the subject.

I want to assist others with what I've learned, I also know that knowledge/information gained with no effort is rarely appreciated or truly understood.

So for the newbies who haven't done the research or basic ground work, go to the promised land of all answers (the search button) and seek the basic wisdoms. (beware and check the info out, there are quacks out there)

Then when you have a basic understanding of the subject, come back and ask the questions to understand better and to get past the problems with your own projects.

Good Luck and happy learning

Dave

Hi everyone!!!
Don't have a lot of time spent (experimenting or posting)lately.
But! This tread make me move into the discussion because i have big time
TRYING TO LEARN in school.
I found myself to be (A load to the group of student)because i can't find
the tools to start thinking by myself!!
I have to be lead (teacher or other student) or have the ansewrs be gave
to me freely ..
I start to think by myself ,the day i found a subject that make me move and
make me feel a part of the PUZZLE.
Instead of FEELING a WANNA BE, i start to feel like a GONNA BE A PART OF.
In the process of learning , the starting point is that your mind ad to be light
somewhere...
I think it's everyone job's to give piece of bread along the path for the newbie
and leading them to the next level..

Because i think that you can have ALL THE KNOLEDGE OF THE WORLD if you
don't pass it on, it's worth nothing...

Anyway that is just my opinion!!!!

peper10

I am a noobee. I have some, some expertise in what is being discussed here, but am just catching on to a lot of this.

My Point: The sticky/FAQ thread/Noobee thread idea is PERFECT.... I am learning a million miles an hour here(and will continue to), BUT I do not want to slow down the progress of any of the great minds that reside here. These guys are on the path to finding some truly amazing things and should not be hindered. The Noobee thread would give background info for new guys to learn(and mostly- the more experimenting minds- the better) while also allowing important ideas to flow freely from the "big boys". My 2.5 cents(adjusted for inflation).... Jimmy

Tarkus, thank-you for the reply
I am a master carpenter, well that is what 30 years of working in one profession gets you. Not that I would even consider myself a "master' at anything. I bring this up to explain a point. At the moment I am retired. When I would be on a job, and some little kid would come up and ask, " how do you do that?", I had no greater joy than taking my time to show them, not only how I did it, but to explain how many mistakes I made,or as carpenters say, how much sawdust I made, and how best to avoid those same mistakes.
Using "search", or any other protocol, needs to be pointed out to any newbie on any site, that should be a given. Another point is, if that is what you want, so as not to be bothered, then YOU make the thread. Or, take it up for a vote. Myself, I would rather all be included, I have seen more intelligence from a two year old than from the supposed "elite".

What are some of the most popular questions new people would have?

If someone is interested in basically "Bearden for Dummies"...that is what several people told me my book was for them. There are things in my book that are different from Bearden's opinion on some things but if someone wants to be taken from ground floor to seeing the concepts of what the radiant potential is..."virtual photon flux of the quantum mechanical vacuum"...what a dipole is in order to tap this infinite potential and have it come into a circuit....a simple model of what the electron flow in a circuit is, what the heaviside flow over the circuit, etc.......if you want to see this in simple terms, simple analogies, simple diagrams, etc... you need this book.

It is basically a synthesis of what I put together based on countless conversations with John Bedini at his shop, learning from Peter personally, countless hours studying Bearden's material, my own downloads from the Matrix and so on....

I have been told by quite a few people that it is the best beginners guide for anyone interested in free energy to learn these concepts.

The book doesn't have schematics and how to on building the machines...that kind of bulders manual book from my own personal perspective is a low priority at this time, but John has told me plenty of times you have to KNOW WHAT THE ENERGY IS to see how the machines work...really how they work. In my opinion, I think I open the door to this quite a bit for anyone who is new to these technologies. For example, Bedini's circuits are basically gas valves and not electrical circuits when seeing them for what they really are and this is literal and not just some analogy.

Yes, there are some minor technical errors in the book, I don't claim that John or Peter see these concepts like I do, but I did ask them both before if there was anything they would change in it and they both told me the same thing. Don't change anything because who is to say what is right? Nobody really knows...there are just a bunch of mental models that seem to be right in the moment and who knows what we'll understand in the future.

Anyway, the book is The Quantum Key and for a $10 book with a couple bucks shipping in the US at least, I think it is a really good guide for any newbie who wants to take a crash course in some of the Bearden concepts and how they relate to voltage potential in these circuits. At least the interpretation of many of Bearden's type of concepts are based on the World According to Aaron but so isn't every book based on its own author! LOL

Homepage: The Quantum Key
Shopping Cart: ESM Bookstore
in the shopping cart, make sure to click on the correct book based on the description under it if you're in the US, Canada or elsewhere...we'll have a better shopping cart later so its easier.

I started this thread to find ways to bring more people up to speed and get more brain power on the same pages, and do that without spending exorbitant amounts of time rehashing the same things over and over.

Muttdog: In no way was I implicating elite or child status on anyone, only expressing a frustration with some, not necessarily you. (take it any way you like)

jimmer: Don't worry about the big boys or hindering anyone.

I do have a hard time when I read posts that go like.

" I want to build a hydroxy generator, I want it to power my car to the moon, If I use 6"x6" plates what kind of copper do I use and how many amps will it draw, how much baking soda do I put in it, how many mpg will I get and how about you just build it for me"

I also worry about those who may not understand what the technology is about or how to be safe with it.(checking for a gas leak with a lighted match)

I am more than happy to answer a question or add a different perspective if I can, I'm still in a continual learning mode myself.
Pleased to be of service in assisting someone to do, unwilling to do it for them.

Best wishes to all

First off, muttdogg... Well said. We've all been "newbies" at some point in everything.

I'm sure that all of the veterans here know about these links, but these are ones that I think "newbies" should be directed to.

Kurze Werbeunterbrechung
(In German on the first page, just click through at the bottom, everything else is in English)

Free Direct Files Hosting - HotlinkFiles.com
(links to a LOT of the very important files on the various subjects of ZPE)

yes, they'll take some digging/reading/time/self-motivated-learning... We seem to live in a time when everyone wants everything "handed to them". And I think it's good to help/share/give info etc... But the truth is that some have spent years, decades, a lifetime, researching, reading, learning, experimenting, failing, succeeding, relearning, re-reading, re-researching, sharing, helping, getting help, etc. I personally believe that we should all teach and help each other, but I can completely relate to and understand the feelings of some folks that are weary (wary) of others. We share and when someone comes back with their own results and more questions, we all learn and grow from that exchange. OTOH, it causes hurt feelings and resentment over all the time and effort spent when someone comes along and says, basically, "Tell me how to do this", gets told a LOT of info from a LOT of people with a LOT of experience, THEN comes back and either hasn't done things as it was explained & complains that it doesn't work OR hasn't done anything (& complains that it hasn't worked ) OR doesn't come back and share/report at all (only comes back when they have problems which makes it a one-way-exchange), OR, the worst of all, takes others info/ideas/designs/advice that has been freely and openly given and packages it up as their own to sell online - Ebay, their own website, etc... this one really ticks me off. When I got the time to "get back into" these things, I did an internet search. One of the first links was an online place that had lots of "teasers", but no "meat"... unless you purchased their info package. It wasn't a lot, but money is tight. I bit. EVERY bit of that info was lifted from this and other open public sites! EVERY BIT. I consider it fraud, but caveat emptor... I learned my lesson. PAID a bit of money for FREE information that is FREELY GIVEN by good folks. They provided the info that they said they would, but they'd made it out like they had something that nobody else knew/had. BIG LIE! The info is out here. I have never and will never purchase like that again. Go to reputable people (like RedMeanie here), there are a LOT of rip-offs.

OK... sorry... rant-mode == off...