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Old 05-12-2019, 11:15 PM
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Bro Mikey,
I get really, REALLY tired of comments like you just made from people who have NOT built a big machine yet still assume they know enough to open their mouth. They donít. YOU donít.

At speed, there is NO cogging that you will notice. There is only increased amp draw of the motor because of the magnets passing the coils. Have I completely eliminated this? NO. But WHO CARES. The amp draw of the motor is less than 12 amps at 24 volts on a motor rated for 30 amps. Yes, this is higher than with NO coils in place, but it is well within the operating range of the MY1020 I am using. The output of the coils is 130 volts at 1.5 amps per coil which is 2000 watts. Do YOU have a BETTER design YOU have built putting out more power? I didnít THINK so. Have you built ANYTHING with more than a couple coils? When I had my original machine up and running, around version five, I posted videos of spinning the rotor by hand with all 12 coils in place and of the input to the machine and the output from several coil pair. I took all that down. Itís not going back up. You have convinced me that this is all a horrible waste of my time. Iím not giving anything away for free anymore. Done.
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Old 05-13-2019, 12:21 AM
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Bro Mikey,
I get really, REALLY tired of comments like you just made from people who have NOT built a big machine yet still assume they know enough to open their mouth. They donít. YOU donít.

At speed, there is NO cogging that you will notice. There is only increased amp draw of the motor because of the magnets passing the coils. Have I completely eliminated this? NO. But WHO CARES. The amp draw of the motor is less than 12 amps at 24 volts on a motor rated for 30 amps. Yes, this is higher than with NO coils in place, but it is well within the operating range of the MY1020 I am using. The output of the coils is 130 volts at 1.5 amps per coil which is 2000 watts. Do YOU have a BETTER design YOU have built putting out more power? I didnít THINK so. Have you built ANYTHING with more than a couple coils? When I had my original machine up and running, around version five, I posted videos of spinning the rotor by hand with all 12 coils in place and of the input to the machine and the output from several coil pair. I took all that down. Itís not going back up. You have convinced me that this is all a horrible waste of my time. Iím not giving anything away for free anymore. Done.
Turion, Friend your work is very valuable, and if you are valued by many, and have experience and knowledge,
you continue with your experiments and demonstrations, your comments and presentations, I learn a lot from you.
of the comments other users, goes of all kinds, and you must be prepared to take things slowly, do not let discourage invade, why you lose, and what I have seen and read of many of your prototypes are a sample of your talent and knowledge, some people will not value it, and others will,
in this forum there is everyone, those who want to learn, those who build and share, those who doubt the projects (it is valid if they provide their arguments well founded), the debate and constructive criticism helps to be closer to the truth .

my respects and admiration for you
. I saw how he defends his ideas and proposals, in the other sections of the forum you have contributed many projects, my admiration,
go ahead, with the generator and continue sharing it, I am interested in building a small replica, it is very interesting
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Old 05-13-2019, 01:25 AM
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of the magnets passing the coils. Have I completely eliminated this? NO. But WHO CARES. The amp draw of the motor is less than 12 amps at 24 volts on a motor rated for 30 amps. Yes, this is higher than with NO coils in place, but it is well within the operating range of the MY1020 I am using. ste of my time. Iím not giving anything away for free anymore. Done.

I finally got under your skin? I deserve whatever I get. Anyway you
are the chief cook and bottle washer who has led the way and is the
final authority. The point is someone with a 3D printer and the right
magnets could eliminate the cogging completely. I am not even close
to eliminating the cogging (OR DRAG YOUR WORD SWITCH) and as
you have just now confessed have not eliminated ALL of the drag either.

Mad Mack taught that by moving a magnet rotor past forks you could
take measurements in LBS to learn with. Shielding around magnets
helps to give the operator some adjusting room as shields can be slid
back and forth changing the fields in many ways. One way is to limit
the peripheral field.


Anyway Mad mack was right, it is the little things that change the game.



You gave yourself and will always continue to do that, it is part of
your teacher gift. Remember the students who always went out of their
way to get under your skin?


The drag can be further reduced, the bench shows this, my bench work
has value, I trust what i see on the bench..
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Old 05-13-2019, 05:49 AM
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Hi all, been doing the mothers day thing today.

Though I did get some time put in working on a design for vertical rotor.

The only tricky part, is that I need to get parts to make a coupler for the 5/16" motor shaft, because I don't think an arbor on the motor shaft, with rotor secured at arbor, will be very stable, plus making room for coil/cores.

So I'm leaning towards flange bearings with a separate shaft, then a coupler to motor, two sidewall supports, which bearings mount to, adjustable with threaded rod.

The rotor will be three, 1/4" thick pieces, glued together, the center rotor piece will be solid, to keep things uniform and balanced and to allow each 1/4" thick magnet to attract to each other, through that center rotor section.
Using cad, 10" diameter rotor with 12 magnets seems to work well.

I'm not sure what the bickering is about, though In my eyes, this is not a competition. Cooperation is just that, cooperation.
I'm not going to preach here, nor am I judging anyone, though the honest truth is, to be offended is a choice.
This is something I have come to realize and have put effort into taming whatever it is that seems to cause us to be offended, it really is like those old cartoons with some kind of entity on one shoulder and one on the other, we can choose which one we feed or neither and just stay neutral.

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Old 05-13-2019, 05:55 PM
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Hi all, this is the design I have so far, the parts to connect the motor shaft will have to be devised still, though it's a start.
The counter balancing magnets can still be applied and more coils can be added, they're just not shown at the moment.
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Old 05-13-2019, 07:04 PM
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Hello, I think itís great your mind is now the almighty creator.
My own personal experience in my large sg build was a single shaft for all turning and pillow block bearings holding a two inch diameter shaft.
It ran very well until my nephew destroyed it.
It ran my house.



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Old 05-13-2019, 11:18 PM
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Hi pot head, thanks for sharing.
Not sure what you mean by almighty creator, though do explain if you like.

That's one heck of a build there, nice.

Could you explain how you have or had that one powering your house if you wouold like to share and also, what caused your nephew to destroy it, that interests me also.

Is it like the John Bedini scenario, guy comes in, watches johns device run, gets possessed by something and uses a hammer to destroy it.

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Old 05-14-2019, 02:12 AM
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Old 05-14-2019, 05:57 AM
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Hi pot head, thanks for sharing.
Not sure what you mean by almighty creator, though do explain if you like.

That's one heck of a build there, nice.

Could you explain how you have or had that one powering your house if you wouold like to share and also, what caused your nephew to destroy it, that interests me also.

Is it like the John Bedini scenario, guy comes in, watches johns device run, gets possessed by something and uses a hammer to destroy it.

peace love light



Hello, since I created the way I built my device, I am the almighty creator of it.
The battery bank is 24vdc @ a little over 1000 amps.
It took 12 hours from complete discharge to full charge in 12 hours.
That was before I had half of it completed.
It was always on and charging so less time was involved on a daily basis.
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very good, provide the magnet so that it does not stop before, and decrease the previous braking
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Old 05-14-2019, 09:05 AM
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The machine I recommended (which I have also built and am putting back together at this time) is all N magnets out on the rotor. For EXACTLY the reason Bro Mikey talks about. When you are using a horizontal rotor with magnets on the rotor edge, when a magnet is aligned in attraction with a coil, the magnet directly across from it is aligned with an adjustable magnet on the stator. They cancel each other out. In a vertical rotor, that's magnets on the face of the rotor instead of the edge (so it can have a coil on each side of the rotor) wen the magnet is aligned with the two coils, the magnet opposite it on the rotor is aligned BETWEEN two adjustable magnets that match the face of the magnet aligned to them in repulsion. It will not put out as much as my big machine because it is only 10 coil instead of 12 and does not have as many magnets on the rotor, nor are they as thick. But when I get it back up and running it will STILL prove my point. I know some people are going to whine because it doesnít put out 2,000 watts, but let them. It is also WAY less expensive to build than my big machine for a number of reasons. Size, number of magnets, etc. So it is THIS machine I have chosen to share for replication.

My BIG machine has N/S magnets on the rotors and 12 coils. But the rotor is larger in diameter by 3 inches and has a second set of magnets out closer to the rim. Each time one of the primary magnets centers between two coils in attraction to both, these secondary magnets center between two magnets on the stator in repulsion. The N side of the magnet is aligned with an N magnet on the stator and the S side of the magnet is aligned with an S magnet on the stator. The stator magnets are adjustable on the big machine just like on the small machine, but I made MISTAKES building the big machine that I corrected when I built the smaller one. The big machine used square magnets that rode in square plastic tubing and the little magnet holder that was adjusted in and out was complex and did not work well. I went to round magnets in pvc pipe for the small machine and that eliminated the magnet holder complexity. Live and learn. It was also CHEAPER, which is always good.

At speed I see no difference in INDIVIDUAL coil output between the two machines, but the number of magnets on the rotor makes a difference as does the thickness of the rotor magnets. One just has more coils and stronger magnets. It USED to have weaker magnets and that is when I compared the output of the coils. Right now, the bigger machine definitely gets MORE out of the coils.

Which brings me to another thought. At SOME point the core is absorbing all the flux it can accept, so the coil will put out NO MORE electricity no matter HOW big or thick the magnets are. I don't know what that point IS.

as a side note: I have an entire box that is probably 18 inches square built out of 1 x 6's holding all of the different rotors I have tried on these machines to get the one I believe outputs the most for the situation. They each have a piece of 3/4 plywood between them so that I can get them apart because the all want to stick together. Some of them are only 1/4 inch thick with a single magnet pressed in, and some have magnets pressed in from both sides. Some are missing some of the magnets because they got pulled out for the NEXT rotor. I would be happy to send ANYONE one of my old rotors so they can experiment if they are willing to pay the cost of shipping up front. I am really tired of people promising me they would pay for shipping and then they get what I sent them for FREE and never paid my shipping costs. I can't tell you HOW many times that has happened, and I don't mind giving stuff away for free or I wouldn't OFFER it, but it is the principal of the thing when people make promises they don't keep.
Thanks very much for the help here Turion, a great detailed bit of information and it all helps for those who are working on these machines.
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Hello, since I created the way I built my device, I am the almighty creator of it.
The battery bank is 24vdc @ a little over 1000 amps.
It took 12 hours from complete discharge to full charge in 12 hours.
That was before I had half of it completed.
It was always on and charging so less time was involved on a daily basis.
Hey Pothead,

Looks intresting, he couldn't have destroyed it all.
You could rebuild it.

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Hi all, Hi pot head, sounds good, thanks for sharing.
Yes, I would like to see that beauty running.
Sounds like with that large batt. bank, you were getting some nice excess energy effects.

I have a change of plans for my device, since I would like to use as much as I have on hand for this first, more practical model.
I'm going with horizontal rotor, though still same design rotor, with coils underneath the rotor.
This way, no need for separate motor shafts or bearings that will just add drag.

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very good, provide the magnet so that it does not stop before, and decrease the previous braking
Right now I have partial cancellation like everybody else except
for those manufacturing facilities that have millions tied up in CAD
driven robot CNC, like that make the stepper motors.

It requires precision machining first and after that there must be
some adjustment to compensate for differences of strength for the
same magnets. Magnets all have distortions in the them and to balance
them PERFECTLY to a whisper quiet is nearly impossible.

Make sure that if you build such a device that the structure is capable
of handling the stress. This is only a message for a practical application
not for 1 or 2 day runs. To power a home.
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Here are some photos of my new junk build.
Warnings about magnets coming loose and all that stuff.
The last photo is a replacement magnet.
It left a shell that I filled with glue and a magnet.



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Right now I have partial cancellation like everybody else except
for those manufacturing facilities that have millions tied up in CAD
driven robot CNC, like that make the stepper motors.

It requires precision machining first and after that there must be
some adjustment to compensate for differences of strength for the
same magnets. Magnets all have distortions in the them and to balance
them PERFECTLY to a whisper quiet is nearly impossible.

Make sure that if you build such a device that the structure is capable
of handling the stress. This is only a message for a practical application
not for 1 or 2 day runs. To power a home.
ok, but you're going to continue and make a demo prototype,
the information is appreciated
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Hi all, Hi pot head, thanks for sharing, whoa, be careful man, put a kights armor suit on for that one.

Hi bromikey, thanks for sharing, I kind of figured it's not a piece of cake, balancing those forces.

Here is the design I'm going with now, horizontal rotor.
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Hi all, was busy yesterday, so I didn't explain why I went with this different design.
Firstly, it should be more efficient, mechanically and It is easier to build and less costly to build.

I'm going to get some parts today, to create a motor arbor and extend it also.
Also, I've been working on a PWM motor contoller circuit, for the MY6812B, will be 4 mosfets in parallel, using 555 timer circuit.

I just want to know that this motor will work in this setup, then I will start working on coil former and other structutral parts.
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Hi bromikey, thanks for sharing, I kind of figured it's not a piece of cake, balancing those forces.

Here is the design I'm going with now, horizontal rotor.
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Nice design, the balancing is not so bad just follow the boss he
uses a bit smaller magnet, done did deal.
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Hi bromikey, thanks for the positive words.

I don't have smaller magnets on hand, though I can always build another rotor later.

I picked up some parts from hardware store to make the motor arbor.

Unfortunately, the threads on the top part of the motor I was hoping to use. are reverse thread, so the nut coupler can't just be threaded on.
So I found a 3/8" coupler that is fairly snug over most of the shaft, so I bored a set screw hole to make contact with flat part on shaft, just need to pick up a tap and die kit to tap the set screw hole.
Was also working on the PWM motor controller circuit, it works well.
Here is the circuit.
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Hi bromikey, thanks for the positive words.

I don't have smaller magnets on hand, though I can always build another rotor later.

I picked up some parts from hardware store to make the motor arbor.

Unfortunately, the threads on the top part of the motor I was hoping to use. are reverse thread, so the nut coupler can't just be threaded on.
So I found a 3/8" coupler that is fairly snug over most of the shaft, so I bored a set screw hole to make contact with flat part on shaft, just need to pick up a tap and die kit to tap the set screw hole.
Was also working on the PWM motor controller circuit, it works well.
Here is the circuit.
peace love light

Yes Sir got to do it eventually get set up with taps and dies plus the
coupler we all figure out just like you. What I like a lot about you is
your ability to circuit. If you can do it, other can too. Gotcha a pulsed
motor now.

Sweet, see each man has a strength.


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Hi all, Hi bromikey, thanks for the encouraging words.
Yes, pulsed motor might come in handy with these experiments.

Well, have been working on the parts for ths project, will be away for a few days, when I get back, will start work on the rotor.
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Remember that the spool thickness where the wire winding goes
around the core material needs to be 1/16" and no greater.

Most of the pvc pipe can be much bigger depending the schedule.

The wood looks great, nice big screws.


SCH40 for 1" is a .133 wall thickness over twice 1\6"

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Hi bromikey, thanks.
Yes, thought it needed beefier screws.
The pvc pipe is 1/16" wall thickness.
It was an 8 foot length if I remember correctly and came with a metal fitting on the end, It may have been used for hot tubs or something, not sure, got it at menards in plumbing section.
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got it at menards in plumbing section.
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Been doin yer homework I see. Some of that is even thinner, perfect.
I use that stuff myself on occasion when I did the Bedini coils. Good
choice.

Nothing wrong with bushing up of details. For instance my latest coil
"C" core to magnet tolerance using only a 9lb magnet still offers a good
amount of pull with a 1/16" gap. May be 5lbs guessing.

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