Hi alexelectric, not clear on what you're asking.
Though if you mean, am I looking for just lenz neutral or speed up, lenz neutral would be fine at this point.

That's why I went up in rpm's, to see if I could reach neutral at least.

Though I could go higher in rpm, I don't want to destroy that rotor.
I want to see if I can get this rotor to at least lenz neutral, with more reasonable rpm's.
peace love light

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ok, that you achieve your goal, you have worked a lot on this project

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very good advice, in my case in two projects, the magnet flew out, hit a refrigerator that made a hole, luckily I was on the side

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yes, the frequency in a tank circuit L, C, passes the frequency that enters resonation with the circuit.
this process is the one used in the radio, when you tune in a station, it has a propagation frequency, in tuner circuit of the radio receiver, a variable capacitor moves, which is connected in parallel to a coil, it enters resonance or tuning , and lets pass the corresponding frequency.

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Hi Alex,

No, my question is no way related to radio, I meant the actual frequency of the passing magnets in the rotor, relative to your coil.
this means tuning is the other way around, you set your coil place a capacitor in parallel to make a tank circuit, and adjust your RPM/magnets to that tank circuit's frequency.

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if ricards, if I understood the first comment, the speed with which passes the magnets, which can come into resonance with the coil, and make the tank circuit with a capacitor in parallel.

what I described of the radio communication was an addition to the oscillating and resonant circuits.

The detail is that here, I think that the capacitor is not put in parallel, if not adding the connections of the coil to have different inductances, at different frequencies (rotation of the magnets), and the capacitance takes advantage of the same that form the coil

There are different ways to make the resonant circuits, I have seen projects of motors that coils that try to take advantage of the capacitance of the coil, etc,
well there's a lot to keep experimenting
welcome the comments everything helps to understand and learn,
Thank you

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Hi all, I'm having partial success, got the extended core put back together and it is lenz neutral, it seems, at just about any rpm when short circuited.
However, when I load the generator coil with a 6 watt non-modified led bulb, lenz slow down is observed.
Though I have not yet cranked up the rpm's to high levels, need to put the shield back in place later and try that also.
Though we are obviously close, maybe a certain type of load will be lenz neutral at this point, compared to the led bulb's inner circuitry.
peace love light

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Great to see someone going out on a limb for a change. Nice
setup and excellent persistence.

Let me repeat that when not much magnetic flux reached the cores
my speed up was so tiny I could barely read it. However with tight gaps
and super powerful cogging my speed up soared to record levels using the
same magnets, using the same rotor, using the same coil, using the same
running and start up RPM's. Everything was the same except for the
start up magnetic cogging which is enormous. This also permitted me
to generator a decent amount of power where with big gaps little
to nothing.

You always go out on a limb, perfect choice for the new hardware.

PS you can connect two 40ft coils up to make 80ft coils (Not series)
Maybe 40ft is too short for your size rotor.

Then series connect 80ft coils.

No one has ever tried this.

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Hi bromikey, thanks for the positive, encouraging words and helpful information as always.

Yes, I think you are correct, not enough flux in this 3/4" diameter, bailing wire core.
In the past, with those bolt core experiments, I was using 1/2" diameter bolts and a rotor with 6 stacked of these 1" diameter by 1/8" thick magnets, for 3/4" thickness magnets.

Also, I did connect an amp meter earlier today, to see if the amps were increasing when short circuited, zero increase at very low rpm's.

Yup, I thought about the same thing, the 80 foot coil idea.
Though as I thought about it, isn't that exactly how it is wired now, it's one long series coil wire.
Meaning, I don't think we can get 80 foot continuous coils, only a 40 foot coil that is connected back to the start of another coil strand, Nikola Tesla style.

Unless I'm not imagining this in my minds eye correctly, let me know what you think.

Otherwise, I'm going to think about what to do next, will probably do a higher speed run tomorrow, when I'm rested more.

Also, do you think I should post a video showing my progress so far, of how it is lenz neutral, when short circuited, would that be of value to you or anyone.
peace love light

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Hi SkyWatcher. Hi everybody

My name is cristian alba. I am following your work and I have achieved a first step as you will see in the video that I will provide below. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yOFtSXnfD5o
I have achieved a significant increase in rotor speed with a relevant current drop. When you put a load on it, things change and the law of lenz is present. If you do not mind, could you indicate what I am doing wrong?
I have to mention that I used two coils of a washing machine drain pump connected in bucking coil.
Thank you. cristian alba

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Hi lorinrandone, thanks for the reply and sharing your work.
Not sure how that coil is wired, if it is bucking mode, then I'm also not sure what results you might get, even if you have all the parameters close enough to get speed up under a load of some kind.

What I can say, you are close to speed up under a load, just as I am.

There is a window of opportunity, the variables have to be close enough to get lenz neutral or speed up under load.

This is my current thinking on the matter.
When the coil is short circuited, that takes the longest to charge the coil that way, as that is the greatest amp load on the coil.
However, as we add resistances (loads) across the coil, it takes less time for the coil to charge and that sends a magnetic flux wave into the oncoming rotor magnet and slows it down.
Whereas, with the short circuit, that magnetic flux wave coming through the core, does not get to the rotor magnet in time to push back against it, instead, it repels it away, just as you are observing and showing.
Your rotor must have a decent rpm I assume to be doing that, now it's just a matter of getting the variables or capacitance of coil higher, to allow a load which speeds up the charging time of the coil, to cause lenz neutral or speed up under load.
Though like I said, I'm not sure about that bucking coil, if you will get the same results as bromikey, turion, etc.
peace love light

Edit: just want to clarify more, my thoughts.
The shorted coil gives the highest magnetic flux into the core.
Though that is like shorting a capacitor, then remove the short and it takes much more time for that empty capacitor to charge up.
That is giving a very nice delay to the magnetic wave, which normally would push against the incoming rotor magnet.
When we place resistances (loads) across the generator coil, then it's like charging a capacitor that is half full, that takes much less time to do so,
and is why we then need much higher rpm's or a proper multifilar coil with more capacitance to cause a greater phase delay, or an even greater length
core extension than what I have done.

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Just seems like there must be other ways to connect all those wires
but I have not tried them. I saw a post somewhere of various connection
schemes. maybe bucking?????

Good observation about the magnets you use to use and the core. The
core could be easily replaced with a 3/4" square block off the bottom
end of a microwave transformer (MOT) this is what I use for now.

I have watched you for years now and your favorite position is out on
a limb sawing, true experimenter/inventor mind set.

Happy hunting.

yes the zero lenz effects already achieved on your end is enough to send
all the yuppies buzzing "Can't be done" to late


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SkyWatcher
thank you for your relevant opinions. I'm going to put more data about it.
As I said in the previous post, the coils are original drain pump washer and come wound with 0.45mm thread (I do not know how many turns open each). I have just turned one of them to connect as opposed , then I came up with the idea of making a kind of squirrel cage through the holes a few brass spuds that also serves to hold the core. I have also observed that fastening with iron screws, I do not get the same effect. I do not know, maybe it is an illusion. It is also true that I do not have much experience with this type of things, maybe Turion with his experience, could clarify this topic.
Thank you. cristian alba

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Hi all, Hi turion, thanks for sharing that information.
Yes, I thought about that also, the timing.
Maybe my high resistance series coils are not charging quickly with a load added, maybe the coil is charging too slowly and charging or filling the coil too late and causing a slow down with load.
Hmm, more to ponder and more experiments needed.
peace love light

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Turion
Thank you. I do not know if I could thank you otherwise for the accuracy and relevance of the given explanation.
My best regard. cristian alba

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The coils get hot and 10 minute the machine must be turned off?
Something like that is what you wrote. This might be why Heinz patent
talks about HT high Temp type II magnet wire. It has game changer
qualities as the resistance is lowered due to the nano coating on the
layered surface of the build.

As you know core material should be Metglas which is another game
changer I think. Iron might be easier for a novice. Like me.

Gonna order some of that there tape (Nano) to make cores with one
of these days from Alibaba. The price break is $145 to the door for
22 pounds of the best stuff having a higher frequency response (tiny)
than the standard 100hz tape sold for wall adapter construction.

As the coil strands get thicker more power is collected and it seems
like with better wire and core the heat will be greatly reduced to a level
that is practical to run long term. Still guessing of course but an educated
one. I cheat, I listen to everyone who has done it.

Keep up the fight to push foreword never surrender.

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Hi all, wow, thanks for that very helpful post turion, that will help for sure.

I have yet to read your post bromikey, have to go out, just want to post this update.

I have success under load , with lenz speed up, input amps drops at least 30 milliamps.

I decided to try and use a 10 ohm - 10 watt resistor I had here.
And with rpms between 1950 rpm and 2325 rpm, I was getting audible speed up with my ears and the amp meter dropping in amperage.

I could also see, It did not need all 51 strands to cause speed up either, I placed the load between 51 and 15th series strand and was still getting speed up.
Though I have most of them taped, so I would have to take more time to see where the neutral point is and then slow down point.

Edit: I just checked with 10 ohm resistor load again, I can hear slight slow down at 15 strands.
So with that, we know this coil needs more than 15 strands at 2325 rpm.

peace love light

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Hi turion, better to have it without the capacitor I would think.

I see and have known the value, many things are very undervalued in this realm, because usually those things can't be controlled.
Take this Nikola Tesla coil I'm experimenting with and you are perfecting.
When taken to the logical conclusion of its use, unless we're going to be charged for the excess it generates, it too, cannot be controlled and put in a nice little box of, put 1 in and get 1 back.

Also, I measured the 120 vac - 11 watt incandescent bulb I was previously using as load and it shows 113.5 ohms.
I guess that it is too high of a resistance for my particular setup and my particular
Nikola tesla multifilar coil.
Maybe it was causing the effect to come too late or too soon.

By the way, I'm using Nikola tesla's full name, so people are not confused with that other puppet and their company.
peace love light
Thanks for your work and sharing turion.

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Can't help but think oil filled transformers, N.T. came out with those
also. I guess mineral oil works for heat extraction as a means of cooling
on a common pole transformer. Just press the spools into a tight fitting
plastic tube using water proof epoxy.

You have to heat your hot water at the house anyway. Quick and easy.

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Keep flirting with it and you will find the right combo. I knew you could do it.

Sounds like around 35 strands you have struck a nerve.

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Hi bromikey, thanks, not sure it could have been done without the 1" core extension though, which I think added some phase delay.

I tried a 12 volt tractor battery as load with full wave bridge off coil, using all 51 strands
and I was able to get lenz neutral at around 2550 rpm.
If I used #1 to #15 strand, rotor would slow down, so battery load probably needs 30-51 strands and a little more rpm.

Seems obvious, the load type matters, though I would have thought the 12 volt battery, being so low in resistance, would not be much different than the 10 ohm resistor.
Maybe because it already has a 12 volt potential, that is causing the difference or the diodes resistance and causing the phase delay to be shorter, thus the need for more rpm and coil strands.
peace love light

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I would have told you about the loading but it is better you find out
some things on your own. Like Turion just mentioned more magnets
generator more and I have 20 so this allowed me more power
to light up bulbs. You do not have 20 magnets. I have 4200ft of wire
on my "C" core, you do not have a "C" core or 4200ft of wire.

I am running sometimes over 3000 rpm's, not you. You are sometimes
at 1900rpm's, that is where I would like to see results. Down lower.
You could have 6" extension on any standard coil and you would not
get to where you are now.

What you have there that interests me is 51 strands at 40ft long
which seems to allow for speed up sooner. My strands for uncontrollable
speed up peaked at 17 using 3000rpm's or more and are 170ft each
strand or 17X170=2890ft of wire.

Turion is using 250 ft per strand + 800ft long I believe, wanto got speed
up at 2800 rpm's also using shorter strands than Turion.

What is interesting about your setup is that speed up has seem to
come at a lower RPM due to shorter strands using more of them(51)

The kicker will be when you connect all 51 strands in series and begin
slowing down the rotor to see what the very slowest RPM is that speed
up under load will still occur.

If this be true, that speed up will come at a lower RPM the next person
might us 100 strands at 20ft per strand. Who knows maybe 1000rpm's
will do the same job using the right coil.

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Hi bromikey, thanks for sharing that.
Ok, I see what you are saying and asking of me.
I will test to see how low the rpm's can go with 51 strands, a 10 ohm resistor load and a couple other load resistances.

peace love light

Edit: Ok, with 10 ohm resistor load, at 51 strands of 30awg., lenz neutral is around 1500 rpm, little lenz speed up at around 1800 rpm.

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Hi turion, thanks for sharing that information, which I'm sure is a re-post.

I have another coil from previous experiments, it's a 12 strand - 24awg. magnet wire coil.
I measured ohms of single strand and calculated about 110 feet per strand.

Not sure if that coil is worth experimenting with or just making another coil of at least 12 strand 24 awg., with longer length strands.

I would like more usable power, plus, I do plan to build a bigger rotor with bigger magnets at some point in near future.
peace love light

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At 1800 rpm's your 12"
rotor is carrying your magnets around at 63mph


Your magnets are traveling
16mph on that tiny rotor. 4X slower than 63MPH so maybe that short
strand coil with 12" rotor will speed up at 500rpms??
or 700RPM's see what I mean? Or 1500/4=350rpm??????????????

Slow mean less power generation so use a 96 magnet rotor

Conclusion:

Rotor dia relates to frequency based on RPM's. On a scope we read
time in micro second or milliseconds and can be converted to other
speed measurements. I went to MPH to give us a term easy to grasp.
Also to warn of the dangers of flying projectiles.

Typically Turions rotor magnet travels at 98mph at 2800rpm's



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Hi bromikey, yes, that is interesting.
Only downside, not sure how much juice we can get from these 30 awg. strands.

Maybe if more separate coil/cores are added and placed in parallel for more current, that could work.

Here's an interesting quote from Thane, yes I've been rummaging around the threads at both sites.

I can hear the sound also, just before speed up, wasn't sure what it was, now I know.
peace love light

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Of course Thane takes the time to see who is working on this Tesla coil
patent for lenz free electromagnets. Thane instigated some of this
work after he found out for himself years ago. His thrill is to see others
succeed.

However LUC is not about helping with these confirmations but I guess
he hasn't figured that one out yet. On the surface Luc comes on as
an engineer level student who is honestly looking for the goods, nope.

On bigger wire that produces more generated power Turion has led the
way publicly holding back nothing and giving himself to teaching this
subject for years.

Thanes quote is nothing more than a validation for Thanes work and only
breaks the ice for some college boys who won't agree. Just another proof
that Thane is right. Of course he is.

However we need to work toward the practical aspects and the processes
leading up to that. Only Turion has done that, the rest are out for money
so many secrets are kept. Only the select few inside get the goodies
and most of them don't have the time to follow thru.

It is a big mistake. We have many examples of people who found secrets
only to have them die with the finder. N.Tesla did not do that.

We have everything we need right here.
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Hi turion, thanks for sharing.
So you're using the 12 strand - 250 feet per strand coils, with some kind of multiple thin rods as core.
Those are monster coils.
Did you make the plastic coil bobbins, or are they bought pre-made from something, what dimensions of coil bobbin.
Also, what dimensions of rotor and which version razor motor is that.

Hi bromikey, of course that quote is from awhile ago, so I would hope Thane is on to luc.
All I can say is something you already know, we apparently are surrounded by a whole lot of soulless ones in this particular realm and they beat to a different drummer, not the one creator source, so a puppet in this matrix realm is what they are.
They, the soulless ones have many veils over their minds, whereas we do not, apparently.
If this were not the case, you or I or turion, etc., would not have the freewill to even think this tech is possible and would be programmed to debunk it in some way.
Yes, this is all spiritual, if it were not, all these kinds of tech would be already in use by everyone, as they once were in the recent past.
I wouldn't say it's a big mistake, that's how things roll in this place, in a different kind of realm, all those inventors would never have been programmed to behave as they have, they would have selflessly given the knowledge of such (GAME) changing tech for free, so people can build it and share it, just as Thane, turion, etc. have done to one degree or another.
I'm going to focus on building a more practical coil, out of 24awg. wire, just need to figure out how I'm going to measure out each strand and then be able to wind them together.
peace love light

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Hi turion, thanks for the helpful tips.
I found this video on utube, I think it may be even easier and for anyone reading this thread.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HdZETeUMRP8

Think I will try this method, since I don't have a large, continuous roll of wire at the moment, I have to scavenge what I have, off of many other coil experiements from the past.

Do you think I should make the coil as you have designed yours, meaning 12 strands at 250 feet per strand.

peace love light

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Men are selfish and hog everything to themselves, first mistake
second mistake is waiting til later by that time we will have gone
completely around them in this race to understand.

I don't hold it against people for trying to make money, besides not
everyone is that fond of the pigeons. The docile yuppies will never
get anywhere on this stuff as the schools have sucked the life out of
them keeping them from trying.

Third mistake "whats the use?"

Only the SOB'S take this challenge by force. Watch out for the tidal
wave of mindless dweeve's and their endless corrections. Seems they
only get off on self validation, mistake #4 and the list goes on forever.

Keep piercing the blackness and emerge unscathed in this Zombie
apocalypse nightmare as always.

From here it is all up to you how much money you want to spend. I
think a big machine is several thousand just for the wire, spools, cores
after that all you need it bearings and a magnet rotor. Machining costs
are 50 dollars an hour or better.

If you go with a medium size (Like me) try to do what Thane did. His
rotor has a large dia with many magnets, that will get speed up sooner
than those 3-4" wheels.

Plastic or metal rotors, magnets must be shielded to isolate them from
the next one on the wheel. Most use plastic because the don't shield.

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