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Old 10-15-2019, 03:41 AM
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Hi bromikey, do you mean to try the device talked about in that thread?

Ok, since you are online at the moment, here is a pic of the setup.
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Hi bromikey, do you mean to try the device talked about in that thread?

Ok, since you are online at the moment, here is a pic of the setup.
peace love light

Goodness thats a bunch of wires. Yeah I think follow Turion with the
solid state you know what do they call it? That U shaped metal with the
locking bar across and the number of coil wound and connected the said
way. Well that seems to be one way. I don't know what you are getting
in the picture but it should be able to get a high high voltage so let it
go up to as high as your wire can handle about 600v then string a group
of bulbs in series.

Thats what i think

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Old 10-18-2019, 09:10 PM
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Hi bromikey, thanks for the reply, been busy cleaning the house of stuff we don't need.

I hooked up another 120 vac, 6 watt led bulb to the separate, 26 strand secondary coil/core, the bulb lights and the input decreases from .26 amps, down to .23 amps.

So, with the ability of the solid state oscillator coil/core to easily give higher frequencies, we can get the multifilar delay lenz coil to work, without the need for mechanical contraptions.
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Old 10-19-2019, 02:17 AM
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High frequencies spikes dancing on your
LED bulb gives the illusion that extra energy may be
present in your circuit delays or power lag can fool you similar to
panning for fools gold. To verify extra energy is available a meter
must be placed on the input as well as the output.

Say for instance you put in .25amps or 250ma and the output gives
you the same output then you have a 100 percent conversion efficiency
and a COP of 1:1

Just saying that the light took down the input by .03 amps or 30ma
when powering up means little in terms of COP.
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Old 10-19-2019, 03:52 AM
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Hi bromikey, thanks for the reply.
Yes, this oscillator circuit is probably not best choice, a 555 timer pulsing the drive coil would be better.
Though the point of these tests, is not to show a COP greater than 1.
Just like turions setup, it would likely need many coil/cores to do so, that is, if we actually have a delayed lenz happening, with respect to the drive coil.
And that is what these tests are about.

Was testing the setup again and this was a better test.
Kept the drive coil/core up close, in contact with the secondary coil/core, for the duration of the test.
Whereas previously I started the oscillator and then brought it into contact with the secondary coil/core.
This time also used identical led bulbs on flyback and output of secondary coil.
The input without secondary coil led bulb load is .26 amps, when secondary load is connected, the bulb is very close to the same brightness as the flyback bulb and input drops to .25 amps.
Will continue experimenting.
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Old 10-19-2019, 06:21 AM
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Oh so you have 2 bulb, I did not know the circuit. First bulb 260ma
then 30ma went to second bulb. I am working in the dark as to how
exactly the circuit is laid out. But hey just say it with no proof
Well that is the voice of the skeptic. I don't know what you know so
tis near impossible for me to comment correctly without more details

Happy testing.

After all it is a Tesla coil right? Ya know a bi-filar and many more and
what did Tesla get from his bifilar coil? Humm..?? What?

Tesla got HIGH VOLTAGE 50v per turn or something outlandishly high
compared to a regular coil. keep ringing the bell at HV connecting
5 bulbs in series. Then we will have an answer. Lenz delay? For what?
Delayed what for what? Why would you need a delay for a static field.

I am not sure I understand the reasons you test your transformer expecting
a delay then what a delay does. Or how a delay might affect the circuit


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Old 10-19-2019, 07:25 PM
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Hi bromikey, thanks for the reply.
Sorry it's not clear, when I finish a few more tests I'll post the circuit drawing as it is.
As far as I'm aware, it is not a static field, it is an expanding and contracting magnetic field.
So, it is similar to the mechanical version.
By the time the drive coil shuts off, (with proper coil capacitance and frequency in secondary multifilar coil), then the secondary coil releases it's magnentic field and powers the load, without interfering or opposing the pulse input of the drive coil.
This then causes no increase in amperage and may even cause a decrease of each input pulse, very much like the mechanical version.
At least that's my thinking on this, you're of course free to disagree.
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Old 10-19-2019, 10:26 PM
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Hi bromikey,........
I'll post the circuit drawing as it is.
As far as I'm aware, it is not a static field,..........
This then causes no increase in amperage and may even cause a
decrease of each input pulse,......... you're of course free to disagree.
Disagree with what? I don't know the diagram, you have left me in
the dark. Each pulse expands? Not static? Operates like a transformer
correct? Okay it is a pulsed transformer got it. Humm...Not sure I know
what you know or shall i say perceive your invention yet but I will.

As we all know the Tesla bifilar coil is meant to make HV and your coil
is no different than a pancake style winding. This was pointed out in the
patents. In the patent high voltages are produced and we have all heard
the formula's how energy is squared at HV.

So pulsing and delaying seems to have it's effects like with the serps or
the MIT and so on where AC at 60hz is not solely the only energy input.

Very interesting work, keep me posted on any results.
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Old 10-22-2019, 04:04 AM
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Hi bromikey, thanks for the reply, looked into the serps a little, not much information to find, though it sounds similar, maybe.

Decided to make another core, using the bailing wire, similar to the ed leedskalnin U shaped core.
This way, the efficiency will be higher and more tests can be carried out.

Here it is at the moment, still working on it.
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Old 10-30-2019, 12:15 AM
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Hi all, I tested the u-core and could not get much current output from the secondary multistrand coil.
So, decided to straighten out the u-core and place the drive coil and secondary coil, directly next to each other on that core.
It works much better, the identical led bulb load, that is connected across the secondary coil, is lighted to the same brightness as the led bulb that is connected to the flyback diode, off the drive coil.

When the secondary coil is loaded, depending on the tuning of the potentiometer, the input current either stays the same, or lowers a little when loaded.
Though it never seems to increase when loaded, which is interesting.
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Hi all, I tested the u-core and could not get much current output
In order to get a good magnetic lock you must cut off the core ends
so they are flat with a die grinder. Maybe if you do that it will work
better.


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Old 10-30-2019, 01:07 AM
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Hi bromikey, thanks for the reply.
I did that previously and the flux transfer, even with a 1/4" thick piece of steel as the keeper, it still was not good enough to light the led bulb on the secondary coil.

Though with the core straightened and the coils right inline with each other, the led bulb is equal to the flyback led bulb.
Previously, when placing the coils with their own cores in each coil and in front of each other, the output was almost as good, but not quite equal.
I imagine with another multistrand coil, on the other side of the drive coil, the output would be even better, since the other side of the drive coil is not being used entirely.
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Old 10-30-2019, 03:21 AM
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Where did you get the idea that the "U" shaped core material should
be welding rods bent around? Is this the instructions for the built?


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Old 10-30-2019, 05:06 AM
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Hi bromikey, thanks for replying.
Apparently we're having communication problems, I'm not following anyone's instructions.
I'm simply using the multifilar coil idea and making experiments, to see if the same effects shown in the mechanical version, can be done in the solid state, that is all.

So far, I'm seeing interesting results.
Because normally in a solid state transformer, (pulsed or alternating) if we induce current into a secondary coil, it always increases the input current.
Normally, it doesn't stay the same or go lower.
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Old 10-30-2019, 06:36 AM
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Hi bromikey, thanks for replying.
Apparently we're having communication problems,..........

So far, I'm seeing interesting results.
Because normally in a solid state transformer, (pulsed or alternating) if we induce current into a secondary coil, it always increases the input current.
Normally, it doesn't stay the same or go lower.
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Oh Okay I see what you are saying now. Yes that is true about bifilar
coils sometime. When I tried it it was only 2 strands and it was the
bitoroid stuff where is had and extra path.

If you remember this picture? I was running way low ac volts like 10v
in off of one of my variacs. With the right load using tiny bulbs and or
high wattage ohmite resistors I was getting more out than in. But it was
on such a small scale that I stopped for awhile.

The core material is state of the art flybacks ganged up side by side.
The small coil was my drive coil and other two despite one's irregular
shape are identical in length, 2 strand. those 2 big bifilars had to be
connected to each other just right, one way doesn't work.


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Old 10-31-2019, 03:53 AM
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Hi bromikey, thanks for the reply.
Wow, that is a nice setup there and were you able to increase the output.

I made another experiment.
I removed the 26 strand secondary coil, temporarily from the core and slid a single strand coil onto the core.
This to see if the single strand secondary coil will function the same when loaded or shorted.
It does behave differently, when the single strand coil is shorted, the input current does increase.
Though with the previous test with the multistrand secondary coil, when shorted, the input current decreased the most.
The voltage with the single strand is not enough to light the led bulb, even though the turns are somewhat similar.

The next experiment will be with another secondary coil, on the other side of the input drive coil.
This test is to determine if the output will increase further and then observe the input current.
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Hi...................... were you able to
increase the output?


The next experiment will be with another secondary coil, on the other
side of the input drive coil.
This test is to determine if the output will increase further and then
observe the input current.
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There is definitely something special about the multifilar coils which
John Bedini started showing 45 yrs ago I think sometime in the 70's.

Early radio work (1930's to 1960's) used alot of multi-strands
transformers and experimenters were catching on to many phenomena
including tubes with various gases in them.

My version can be increased on the output using sine wave to class
AB audio amplification common to everyone. Running the freq's up to
3000hz or more seems to be a target for power models.

Your new test could use a bucking connection for the 2 secondaries
that are multifilar.
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Old 11-02-2019, 05:46 AM
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Hi bromikey, thanks for the reply.
Yes, will try that bucking method also, when I get the other coil setup.
In the meantime, I rewired the 26 strand coil, so it is now two, 13 strand coils wired in series.
Then placed them in parallel, to lower the voltage and also get more current, to charge a 12 volt sla battery.
The parallel coils are going into a full wave bridge and into the battery.
It is working well and the input current decreases while under the battery load.
Previously, with the mechanical version, using the bridge rectifier into certain loads, like a battery, caused the input current to increase.
That is assuming of course, that the multifilar coil is exhibiting a delayed lenz effect, which may be the cause of the decrease in input current under load.
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Old 11-16-2019, 04:58 AM
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Hi all, been running experiments and thinking about different things to try.
I ditched the self oscillator, bifilar drive coil, as the trigger coil can be influenced by the magnetic flux from secondary multifilar coil, when loaded.
So, set up an astable 555 timer, with a regular transistor to drive the separate coil/core primary, though both the primary and secondary are on the same core, inline, facing each other.
It seems that if the duty cycle and frequency of the square wave pulse is set properly, the secondary coil can be loaded and even short circuited without affecting the input current, that the drive coil uses.
And while this is happening, a regular 6 watt led bulb is connected to a flyback diode, across the primary coil, bedini style.
And interestingly enough, that led bulb gets noticeably brighter when a load is placed across the secondary coils, bridge rectified output.
And when the secondary coils rectified output is short circuited, the led bulb across the drive coils flyback diode, gets even brighter, probably double the brightness.
Interesting results so far, It seems to me.
Anyone have any thoughts on this.
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Hi Skywatcher,
Thanks for posting. I think that there is interesting things to be discovered with your current line of inquiry. In some ways it reminds me of Don Smith and his step up transformers and the mismatched time constants involved. When you first announced your intentions to explore the motionless version of the concept, my first thought was, how would the primary be engineered? When you said you were controlling the frequency and the duty cycle, then I think I was starting to get it.

If it turns out that the duty cycle was under 50%, then that is probably not a bad thing, I/m pretty sure that hard working iron needs some time to relax as well. I have held the view that the parasitic capacitance and the inductance of a coil are more intertwined, than what some people might think, due to feed back at a field level.

Anyhow, as far off the beaten track as my thoughts might be on the subject, I'm sure I'm not the only one out there who is interested in reading about what ever you want to share about that.

Thanks Sky, Turion and Bi.

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Old 11-21-2019, 01:20 AM
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Hi lotec, thanks for the reply.
It seems like the duty cycle is not as important as a proper frequency, probably enough to cause a delay.
With the 26 strand coil, it definitely has some capacitance, just sitting there with a meter connected, a voltage is gathered and when touching the wire ends, more than 12 volts is held.

I'm building a different version at the moment, to try and improve the inductive coupling to the multistrand secondary coil.

This version uses a 14 strand-24awg. magnet wire coil, wound first on the core.
Then a low turn primary will be wound on top of that.
This core is somewhat longer, to spread out the winding's and keep the primary winding closer to the core.
Had limited output on the secondary, with the previous versions inline coil geometry.
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Old 11-23-2019, 06:23 PM
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Lenz Free

It looks like testing of the multi strand series connected coil to offset or delay Lenz has been discontinued. I found that the simplest method. It is NOT the only one though. Here is another:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_c...&v=GOGpE6AXDUI

If you guys are SERIOUS about this stuff, you will find a way. He doesn’t have everything exactly right, but he is close enough that if you replicate you will figure out the rest.
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Hi turion, thanks for the reply.
No, it has not been discontinued.
Solid state test results, using the series connected, multistrand coil, have been positive so far.
What exactly is occurring and is it similar to the mechanical version, maybe.
Working on a simple version to improve inductive coupling with the multifilar secondary.

Also plan to make tests with a generator Alex Manzanero showed in one of his videos. Though have built something similar in the past.
Plan to use a 10 pound, iron weight lifting plate and some short ferromagnetic extension pieces off that rotor, to alter the magnetic flux from a neo magnet backed coil/core.
The idea is, that with such a mass of iron, the maximum amount of flux can be shifted away from the coil/core, that has a neo magnet attached to the back side and it might generate some good power that way, we shall see.
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It looks like testing of the multi strand series connected coil to offset or delay Lenz has been discontinued.
I found that the simplest method. It is NOT the only one though.
Here is another:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_c...&v=GOGpE6AXDUI

If you guys are SERIOUS about this stuff, you will find a way.
He doesn’t have everything exactly right, but he is close enough
that if you replicate you will figure out the rest.
I went thru Alex video's some in Spanish and some in English. One video
shows the diode arrangement with double coil producing power to
the light using 200 turns on each coil without drawing more current
on the drive motor. Without the diode arrangement, just using half
like a normal or conventional coil the increase goes as follows.

850ma= free wheeling rotor then upon powering the light goes up
to 950ma with a single standard coil. This is normal generating as
used today. This is a 100ma increase.

The diode style does not drag down the rotor more than 10ma yet
still generates the same power (guessing) lighting the light.

This is a definite improvement. However with my coils the amp draw
of the drive motors goes way down while producing more power. I
like mine better. Thanks to you.
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Hi bromikey, thanks for the reply and sharing again your confirmation.

Yes, the solid state version does the same thing it seems.

Have time today to finish the new solid state version.
We shall call it, SSLS 1.0 (Solid State Lenz Shift 1.0).
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Hi bromikey, thanks for the reply and sharing again your confirmation.

Yes, the solid state version does the same thing it seems.

Have time today to finish the new solid state version.
We shall call it, SSLS 1.0 (Solid State Lenz Shift 1.0).
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I was using a 300 watt AC bulb as my load and thought it would be interesting to use a small AC motor I have. To my surprise, the lower voltage was able to speed up the run motor when the AC motor was used as load. In fact, I was able to LOWER the voltage quite a bit.
Yes let's call it SSLS so folks know it is a solid state test. Have you tried
other loads like Dave is talking about here?
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Hi bromikey, thanks for the reply and sharing again your confirmation.
One other point to make here. Remember the thread "ANOTHER BASIC
FREE ENERGY DEVICE" huh? Do ya? Well I got to thinkin that how
it resembles the diode arrangement Alex is showing. We need to be
led to find the reason why Dave said that.

Hum.... So let's not throw out the idea. K?
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Hi bromikey, thanks for that.
Point taken, I will not throw out ideas shared and you are probably correct, dave is trying to help guide in a good direction.
peace love light

Oh, tested the improved inductive coupling version SSLS 1.0 and so far, am not seeing the same effect.
The multifilar secondary cranks out the power, though the amps increase with it.

Also made a quick test with the flux shifting mechanical generator, similar to this video. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_2NH8t8WC6E

I secured 4 iron or steel slugs to the iron weight lifting plate and spinning slowly by hand, can get 1.2 vac.
The coil/core gap to iron slug is not very tight, plan to make an axial version, to get tighter air gap and then add many more iron slugs around the rotor.
What's interesting is, is that one could use a large diameter wheel, rotor probably doesn't need to be iron and we could place 100 or more flux extending slugs and really make some power.
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Hi all, just wanted to specify, the updated solid state version was using the lower strand secondary, 14 strands instead of the 26 strand previously used.

So, will use the 26 strand this time and see the results, for the solid state experiments.
Though also plan to continue working on and testing the mechanical, flux shifting generator design.
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Hi all, just wanted to specify, the updated solid state version was using the lower strand secondary, 14 strands instead of the 26 strand previously used.

So, will use the 26 strand this time and see the results, for the solid state experiments.
Though also plan to continue working on and testing the mechanical, flux shifting generator design.
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So it looks like the 26 strand being a little longer gives you some phase
shift. Good coupling,bad coupling still requires data on input-outputs same
as the mechanical design where magnets whip by your coil instead
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