Originally Posted by Quantum_well

Our generators are anywhere from 1000 percent --- 3000 percent.

In your dreams,maybe.
I think you'll do well to get to 80%.

Originally Posted by NROC

I only come on here every now and again because this forum is, bar a few threads, mostly full of garbage and people who don't know what they are talking about talking like they do. Then you have the people who make money off of the kits and BS books they sell with no real information lol and honestly most of it is utter crap, bar a few notable mentions, babcock, murray and maybe dollard.

Dave is one of the people who does know what he is talking about. He is one of the only ones who has given away his information freely in the hopes people would just build it and see. He didn't delete his posts because its all junk its because that information is valuable as hell and I cant for the life of me understand why people havent built 3 battery generating systems left and right.

If Aaron puts his posts back up then that's fair enough. The stuff has been out there for atleast 10 years now and still no one has really come along and caught up to what people like Dave and Matt have done. There are some of us who are working behind the scenes to make sure this stuff eventually ends up in your home. If people just end up listening to bistander then good luck to you lol but if you actually want to find out something about electricity and how it really works then listen to Dave.

Originally Posted by bistander

Hi NROC,


What I teach and talk about here, call it conventional science and commercial technology, has been responsible in large part for the modern civilization which you enjoy through the economical, reliable, efficient electromechanical energy conversion and distribution for the past 200 years or so. There are billions of verifiable examples. So show me a single verifiable practical system producing useful work using the Turion method. There are none. Maybe he can rejuvenate a deteriorated battery or get a rotor to increase RPM a few percent, but these are peculiarities and irrelevant to meaningful energy conversion or production.

Do you have a multifilar wound generator running in excess of 100%? Do you have a 3BGS with which you can verify input and output power and energy? Does anybody? Show me proof, please.

Regards,

bi

Originally Posted by NROC

No one is questioning how far technology has got civilisation so far lol of course it has helped us. Peculiarites does not mean they aren't worth investigating and in fact they are the things that normally lead to discoveries.

A researcher takes those peculiarities and exaggerates them to do something useful and that is what has been done. No one is going to show you a working prototype because you are not entitled to it. No one owes you a thing. The ones that build, spend lots of time and money to get there are entitled to it.

Do i have a multifilar generator no.
Do i have a 3bgs that works yes.
Do i have a tesla switch that works yes.
Have i gone further than all of those things - yes, and so have Matt and Dave

No one will show you bi, because you either try an experiment once and give up after it failed and then lead others down the wrong route or you don't follow instructions properly. You dont custom build anything to get results either you just want off the shelf stuff to work for you and that is not always the case.

Bi, look, I know your a troll and to be honest I sometimes think it's nice to just feed a troll a little bit lol.

Originally Posted by bistander

I think you won't me your 3BGS because you can't verify input and output power.

Why don't we get back on topic and you explain how a multifilar wound coil is superior to bifilar, and the benefit of using such in a generator armature running at rated load?

Regards,

bi

Originally Posted by Turion

bi,
When you drop into the middle of a thread that has been going on for YEARS, and everyone there understands that when we say “motor” we mean the Matt modified motor that everyone has been using for years, it is not “contradicting myself and imposing an additional requirement.” It is expecting someone who says they are building a replication to actually BUILD a correct replication before claiming it doesn’t work. As for the “video” I find it interesting that the video showed EXACTLY what we said it would, but this was explained away as a function of the power supply. Someone’s “opinion” never proven factually. But when we asked that the exact same measurements be taken with a BATTERY rather than a power supply, the folks who made the video declined.

NROC,
You’re eating your time talking to bi. He doesn’t know half of what we know. But it IS humorous. It’s like coming back from the moon and listening to someone tell you it is made of cheese because that’s what people have been saying for years. You can’t convince them and it’s BOT worth your time. Some day they will see, and they will be a funny little footnote in history.

Originally Posted by Turion

Anyone who wants to understand what is going on with these kinds of coils.

1.Wind a coil with a single strand of ANY size wire and keep adding length until it speeds up under load. I would recommend adding a 100 feet at a time. Make sure you measure it as you do it. When the coil is big enough it WILL speed up under load, no matter the rpm or the number of magnets on the rotor. But you might have to wind a heck of a BIG coil to see it happen. I would recommend adding a 100 feet at a time. When it finally speeds up, start cutting off 10 foot lengths until it no longer speeds up under load. When it stops speeding up under load, add 2 foot lengths until it starts speeding up again. Now you are within a couple feet "perfect"

2.Then unwind the coil, cut the wire in half, and rewind with only two strands in parallel and connect them in series. Now start cutting pieces off in 2 foot lengths until the coil no longer speeds up under load. (Each cut will remove 4 feet of wire...two feet on each strand. This will prove to you that two wires in parallel and connected in series have more capacitance, and what Tesla says is true. Otherwise as soon as you cut off a couple feet it would longer speed up under load.

3.Now unwind the coil, cut the two strands in half, and rewind the coil with four strands in parallel and connect them in series. If the coil speeds up under load NOW, then whatI have said is true, because you already shortened it so it would NOT speed up under load in step two when you cut some off the two strands.

Or if you are LAZY, skip step #1, and just wind a coil with two strands until it speeds up under load, and then follow the directions in step two.

bi,
Aaron was a bit upset with me that I deleted my posts, so I believe he going to put them all back. So I won't be deleting anymore.

Originally Posted by Turion

Yes, I said the Matt motor was not necessary IF you used all large deep cycle batteries in good condition and IF you tuned the system. Did you use largedeep cycle batteries? No. Did you tune YOURS? No, because you have NO IDEA how to do it, which is WHY I said the Matt Modified motor is necessary. So you don’t HAVE to tune it. But you keep telling yourself you know ANYTHING about this stuff. LOL

Originally Posted by bistander

Hi NROC,



I think you won't show me your 3BGS because you can't verify input and output power.


I've run experiments from other threads as well as Turion's. I followed the instructions as they were presented at the time. In the one case, Turion contradicted himself and imposed an additional requirement, which neither he, nor Matt, or anyone else could verify was necessary or why, in fact video evidence from a third party showed it made no difference. But my experiments did not fail. They yielded the results which I expected in accordance with conventional scientific theory. In a number of cases I repeated the experiment altering a parameter or measuring something different at a reader's request. No problem.

I don't blindly follow the leader like many here. I'll pursue an objective and help develop something if there is demonstrated a glimmer of hope. I'll not build things I know don't work. I occasionally assemble something from materials at hand and test for a demonstration.

Why don't we get back on topic and you explain how a multifilar wound coil is superior to bifilar, and the benefit of using such in a generator armature running at rated load?

Regards,

bi

Originally Posted by NROC

LOL you are quite a funny guy bi (i assume your a guy). It's insanely easy to measure its input and output. You measure the voltage and current used to charge up 3 batteries from whatever voltage you like say 12.6V. Datalog it all using an arduino over time to give you the total energy used to recharge the batteries. The arduino using AnalogFastRead() library will net you about 10ksps to monitor those parameters. Add the cumulative total of those values together. Then all you do is datalog the output voltage and current on a load connected to the output of a generator connected to the motor your using over time. Wait till the voltage on the batteries drops to the same voltage before you recharged the batteries. Compare the two energy values. Input and Output verified...... Its high school level stuff bi. Its not about power here its about energy. E = IVt.

As for explaining stuff to you i remember that they did. Unfortunately you don't go away and read up on anything previous you just nitpick grammar and refer to wikipedia. Do you think Dave and Matt had anyone to ask for specifics on how to build things? No. They just got on with the experiments until it worked the way it should.

The Matt motor produces the signal that your batteries need unless you use bigger batteries. You have all the pieces of info.

Originally Posted by bistander

Thanks for the explanation NROC. I see a few issues with your method. Can you share your data? I did with single battery dual converter generator system test. It's not difficult to find in the 3BGS thread. The photo which I just posted to show the battery also shows one of the two instruments I used. Note the black box with display next to the clamp meter. It provides a fairly accurate energy total for the duration of the test. But again, let's get back on topic.

Do you have any thoughts on multifilar? Or would you join the flock and blindly follow Turion's lead without question? Notice that when I ask legitimate questions, he doesn't answer. He goes off topic. This indicates he doesn't know what he's doing. Multifilar is just one example. Ever notice the expense (copper isn't cheap) and time spent sorting wires by his followers when he can't even demonstrate or logically explain the benefit? He came up with an interesting test. Why hasn't he run this test. You think anyone else will? You think anyone else (except for me) is actually interested in learning something?

Is multifilar superior to bifilar?

What is the actual effect when used on the generator armature compared to conventional monofilar coils when running at rated load?

Reasonable questions.

Regards,

bi

PS.



Why the need for bigger batteries?

Originally Posted by NROC

LOOOL Ohh great and mystical bistander the fact that you have said that 'you can see a few issues with my method' tells me straight away that you have no idea what you're talking about. I have told you how to get your own data I will never give my data over because i spent the time and money to get it. The next thing you'll be asking me to make an isolated datalogger for you to do it.


No one is going to tell why these things work because it costs loads of time and money to get those answers. I certainly didnt follow dave's word, I found the same things he did and that is why I support him one hundred percent. Your not interested in learning something you interested in bumping up your ego by quoting wikipedia.

Please oh great and mystical biproduct, tell me what issues there are with my method

Originally Posted by bistander

You make it clear you don't intend to share, yet expect me to tell you something or share my knowledge and experience with you. The issue is obvious. You're so smart. You figure it out.

You have no comments on multifilar? Multifilar is this thread topic. Looks like you're here just to harass and ridicule me. Who's the troll?


So your idea of forum participation is all take and no give. OK.

Regards,

bi

Originally Posted by Turion

bi,
If you have to ask “Why bigger batteries?” After us spending ten years and dozens of posts telling you why, it shows how much attention you have paid. Bigger batteries = lower impedance to charging. If you really WANT to see positive results, you need the large batteries. The larger the better.

If you really want to play the “my battery is better than your battery game, I’m afraid you will lose big time. In the course of ten years I have ordered and tested most every kind of battery you could think of, trying to determine what battery gives me the most advantage with this system. But that’s MY information based on MY research. And I have spent thousands of dollars to find out. I’m not giving that away for free as results are worth a lot.

As for the coils. Yes, I have done those experiments. Not EXACTLY as I laid it out, but basically the same. I have seen that a trifilar coil with a total number of feet of wire will speed up under load at a specific RPM when a bifilar coil with the same total number of feet of wire will NOT. This tells me there is a difference in capacitance between the two coils that I can benefit from. Which is what Tesla said. I then went to SIX strands with the same total number of feet of wire and saw that it would speed up at a lower RPM. That YOU see no benefit in this is fine. I could care less.

Originally Posted by Turion

bi,

Oh you are so clever. I fell right into your trap. So what happens now? Wait, I know. I have a working system and you don’t. All because you would rather argue and disrupt than actually learn anything. But that’s your choice. The thread is all yours. YOU show people how to build a working free energy device. Maybe they will listen. I have done all I am willing to do.

Originally Posted by Quantum_well

https://youtu.be/Oo0jm1PPRuo

When you consider the video there's obviously not
much scope for escaping the facts.

Originally Posted by Quantum_well

https://youtu.be/M22ZTUL3avk

Looks as if they make their coils with 13 strands.

Originally Posted by Quantum_well

Found this very informative,someone out there may find it useful.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coil_winding_technology