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Old 08-01-2019, 07:46 AM
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Practical magnet measuring and talk about repulsion being weaker
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Thisis what I use:
https://www.amazon.com/Professional-...dDbGljaz10cnVl

But here's cheaper one:
https://www.amazon.com/MAC-DET-Magne...gateway&sr=8-5

If your fields are off the meter, and you are trying to do a comparison, simply move the meter back the same distance for both tests.
I have loaded an app on my smart phone for that. Free. Looks like it works. I have not done any quantitative analysis so can't speak of its accuracy. SMF APPS GbR.

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construction of the turion coil

Hello greetings
I started the construction of the coil proposed by turion
12 threads 253 23
The first challenge was how I made the count of each coil.
the first was by manual counting, then I put the reel in a winding machine that I built, and I passed the wire to a new reel, and so I knew how many laps each reel had to have
I show you the photos
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contruccion de la bobina de turion

then go to the construction of the major coil, where first place all the reels in two sections of 6, to be able to manipulate them better
but first mark each thread at the beginning with tape, and also finish it since they had each one, which made it easier for me to verify each thread afterwards
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You have the same as Turion now, should be getting big power out
of so many coils, big money machine. Let's hope Dave chines in and
makes sure you don't miss something. You are taking away any
excuse like, "he can't afford to build with the big boys" or that for
some reason "he won't follow direction exactly"

Humm...??

No more excuses.
Right Bi, you are going to except the results?
Can't have it both ways now, bidirectional is out.

I like your winder Alex you did a nice job, only 9 more to go

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Thanks BroMikey for commenting, and contributing your experiences also that here in the forum there is proof of your experiences.
If I wait for the tour guide, how well he has been giving so many details and data, and given data and videos of his achievements.
If Turion already achieved something functional, why not replicate it?
how good BroMikey you liked the winding machine, I built it when I made several bedini motors, since first, I manually counted the wire length, manually wound,
until I told myself I am going to build a winder, I started and yawned several ideas, and so it came out, I bought a digital lap counter, I put a 12 volt cd motor on it, I also bought the speed control.
It is a handmade version but very functional, it allows me to make the coils faster.
It can be improved, but as one is more hurried to do the projects, leave one side, make it more decorated, but as the purpose is already fulfilled to ebobinate
Thanks BroMikey, Turion, SkyWatcher for being active in this project, and the other users also for your comments
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Old 08-12-2019, 04:51 PM
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I tested the multifilar coil at an engine speed of 2400 rpm, obtaining average results, I'm going to get an engine that gives me 2800 rpm to test it with the recommended speed
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Old 08-12-2019, 11:06 PM
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thanks turion

in one of your writing you propose
"Attached is a picture of the little rotor I am using now 1" x 1 "x 3/4" magnets on the rotor. Eight of them. "

Remember me the size of the rotor please
thanks for your proposals
we will continue moving forward
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Old 08-13-2019, 06:47 AM
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ok, it would be better to build the rotor vertically, and the round magnets which would be measured?
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Old 08-14-2019, 02:12 AM
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It's okay to offer material that can be useful to someone else. Let your proposal value.
For now I want to build it with what I have.

In summary it is to make a rotor with a diameter of 10 1/2 ”, and 1 1/2 inches thick, with magnets of 2" x 3/4, 6 magnets per side?

Fortunately I have the proposed magnets
With a coil that I managed to operate with results that you have obtained turion, it would be very satisfactory
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interesting page the evolution of the transformer
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Hi all, the double drill chuck motor adapter works nicely, it runs very true.

Going to use this scooter motor now and remove the drill press monstrosity.

Now the motor can easily be swapped for anything with a shaft diameter of 1/2" or less.
And if it needs some pillow block bearings, etc., that can easily be implemented as well, as some are on my shelves.

Also, will be able to use the motor pulse controller I built to run this motor and we can see changes in rotor speed better.
peace love light


I hope you didn't get hit by flying magnets. Did you have an issue or
breakdown? Waiting for parts? I see you stopped working on this one.
Mine is coming slow too. Hope nobody got hurt. When you tighten the
gaps you are in for a big problem using paper wheels.I have
to use metal to feel safe.

Even the best builders here have has an embarrassing moment as they
all under estimated the mechanical engineering aspects. So far not one
practical build has emerged.

Rotor explodes here




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Old 09-02-2019, 05:35 AM
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One more sample that must be worked with great care and safety, I hope I have no problems with the generator at 2800 rpm, the work is slow because I had to put a 10 mm bar shaft, but it needs a larger diameter, and I have I have to change the bearings and brackets that I have requested, but the generator project goes ahead, it takes time
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Old 09-02-2019, 10:36 AM
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One more sample that must be worked with great care and safety, I hope I have no problems with the generator at 2800 rpm, the work is slow because I had to put a 10 mm bar shaft, but it needs a larger diameter, and I have I have to change the bearings and brackets that I have requested, but the generator project goes ahead, it takes time
Yes that is what I use a ten millimeter separate shaft with it's own
two bearing then a coupler. You asked me about my "C" core? I use it
as a self centering arrangement. This way I get equal pull off the same
cylinder magnet on the rotor. Also there is a trading back and forth of
flux since each coil is hit with a north and south polarity at the same
time. Not saying it is better than doing it another way however each
design has it's application. Another benefit is the mechanical setting
of each coil. The large mass of copper sets a good ways away from the
rotors center allowing many coils to fit nicely around the outside.

This may not be as compact because of the large diameter needed yet
is a more narrow width similar to the pancake motor dimension. It is
something I wanted to try. Also I found out shielding magnets cuts
down on the cogging and is needed when magnets are very very close
together like a 24 or 20. Although when there are only 6 magnets
shields can be cut way exposing the cores to a small amount more of
flux. Sometimes every little bit helps.
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Hi all, Hi bromikey, ok here, just taking a break from it and maybe the rest will bring inspiration.

Thing is also, the results were not very good with my setup, not much useable power.

The smaller 4" rotor seemed more promising, the speed up was very obvious and audible, though again, not much useable power with that version also.

I'm probably doing something wrong, just not sure what that is, so I wait for inspiration.

Working on a flywheel generator project I never followed through with at the moment, similar to chas campbell device.
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"BroMikey " You asked me about my "C" core?
If so, and how good you are moving forward, and then show your project already finished.


SkyWatcher, you keep moving forward in the flywheel system, none of the projects is simple, material and economic inputs are required, and time to be assessing each change or improvement.
and if it is true in occasions, a break is taken to recover some strength and inspiration
but happy day companions
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Hi all, Hi bromikey, ok here, just taking a break .........

I'm probably doing something wrong, just not sure what that is, so I wait for inspiration.

Hello Sky and Alex

I am changing things right now but I have to hurry because I am teaching
this in school this year to my son Jordan. I had to make out riggers to
accommodate the large diameter coils that are narrow not wide.

It is also important to make a cover for safety during operation. Jordan
and I are working together on his project during school hours. Still got
to cover readin, writin and rithmatick
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The smaller 4" rotor seemed more promising, the speed up was very obvious and audible, though again, not much useable power with that version also.
Look at current handling at 1000ft. for 29awg it is 100ma. So let's say
the average small rig needs 200watts to run the dc drive motor that
turns the rotor and magnets. Using 100ma say at 100volts= 10watts
BUT each coil should have 3 channels of around 1000ft so 3X10watts=
30watts per coil at best case. This would require you have coils to
reach the break even point.

Chart showing current handling AWG wire for 1000ft and over.

Using 25awg I am targeting 333ma per strand X channels=1000ma
per coil so only 2 coil packs are needed to reach the break even point.



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Look at the chart for awg power transmission current capacity. It
shows a max rating of .729 amps or 729ma. This is the size wire
Dave has used for years yet he only takes 500ma per strand X 3=
1500ma per coil X 130vols = 195watts of light bulb blowing genius.

Do the math
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x 12 coils is 2340 watts.

I have always said between 1,800-2,000 watts output, but that is dependent on the rpm. Higher rpm gives more output.

And the numbers I quoted for my machine were for:
A rotor turning at 2800 rpm
With six 2" by 1/4" magnets on the rotor
12 coils

With six 1" by 1/4 inch magnets I got 75 % of that output
With twelve 1" by 1/4 magnets I got 150%
With twelve 1" by 1/2" magnets, which is what I have NOW, I never got final numbers. But I would bet the output is pretty good. And you can run it on higher RPM if you want more output.
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x 12 coils is 2340 watts.

I have always said between 1,800-2,000 watts output, but that is dependent on the rpm. Higher rpm gives more output.

And the numbers I quoted for my machine were for:
A rotor turning at 2800 rpm
With six 2" by 1/4" magnets on the rotor
12 coils

With six 1" by 1/4 inch magnets I got 75 % of that output
With twelve 1" by 1/4 magnets I got 150%
With twelve 1" by 1/2" magnets, which is what I have NOW, I never got final numbers. But I would bet the output is pretty good. And you can run it on higher RPM if you want more output.
To cool, that is alot of data compressed over time. I am so glad to have it. Hope your day went well.
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Yes of course Mr. Turion, the 2800 rpm are what you have been proposing and as a basis I take them.
Of course one can change the conditions and there are changes.
* more magnets more magnetic flux to induce
* more revolutions more magnetic flux to induce
* increases coils there is an increase in generation

What I take into account, Mr. Turion, if the induction and the approach and the lowering of the lenz, is given by the form of the series-parallel multi-wire coil, since in the generation of energy, if it leaves the rpm that is generating the objective is no longer met, if at 2800 rpm it is generating and the speed rises, so that it will re-enter resonance it will be at an already higher speed.
and thank you Mr. Turion, for giving already proven data of your experiences, this serves to guide us in the projects.
With a coil that I try to replicate Mr. Turion and give me the expected results, it would help me to assess where I would go, because I want generation at a lower speed, but I would have to increase the magnets, the threads of the coils, but it is advanced and learned.
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alexelectric,
You already understand the answer. 2800 RPM was for six magnets on the rotor. I already KNOW that with 12 magnets on the rotor it would speed up under load at a LOWER RPM. I just don't know HOW low because I never reduced the input to the motor with any kind of motor controller. I DO remember seeing speed up under load at around 1800 RPM one time, but I don't remember the coil configuration at that time. I tested a LOT of coils of different sizes and different sized wire.

So adding more magnets allows the effect at a lower speed. So will more wire. LONGER wires would change capacitance, but not as economically as more strands in parallel and connected in series. Despite the fact that UNINFORMED people (bistander) believe that more than two wires makes NO difference, others here have PROVEN that they can't even GET the speed up under load effect without several wires in parallel connected in series. You would be better served by not listening to ANYONE who has not demonstrated that they have actually BUILT one of these coils and DONE the experiments.

I have NO idea how low you can go with RPM. You have to remember that lower RPM will dramatically lower your output, but the MASS of your magnets and the number of magnets and the mass of your coil wire will push that number back up. Sooooooo much research to be done.
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You already understand the answer. 2800 RPM was for six magnets on the rotor. I already KNOW that with 12 magnets on the rotor it would speed up under load at a LOWER RPM. I just don't know HOW low because I never reduced the input to the motor with any kind of motor controller. I DO remember seeing speed up under load at around 1800 RPM one time, but I don't remember the coil configuration at that time. I tested a LOT of coils of different sizes and different sized wire.

So adding more magnets allows the effect at a lower speed. So will more wire. LONGER wires would change capacitance, but not as economically as more strands in parallel and connected in series. Despite the fact that UNINFORMED people (bistander) believe that more than two wires makes NO difference, others here have PROVEN that they can't even GET the speed up under load effect without several wires in parallel connected in series. You would be better served by not listening to ANYONE who has not demonstrated that they have actually BUILT one of these coils and DONE the experiments.

I have NO idea how low you can go with RPM. You have to remember that lower RPM will dramatically lower your output, but the MASS of your magnets and the number of magnets and the mass of your coil wire will push that number back up. Sooooooo much research to be done.
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Hi Turion,

How long before you delete these posts?

Misquoting me again. I never said "NO difference". Rarely can you make changes which result in no difference. Without finding our previous (half) discussion, I believe what I said was more than two reduces substantially, and can essentially eliminate the effect Tesla sought with his bifilar coil. Ever wonder why Tesla never mentioned trifilar, quadfilar, or multifilar? Or bother claiming such in his patent?

But it is a moot point because none of this affects, in a positive significant manner, generator performance at the voltage and frequencies involved.

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Anyone who wants to understand what is going on with these kinds of coils.

1.Wind a coil with a single strand of ANY size wire and keep adding length until it speeds up under load. I would recommend adding a 100 feet at a time. Make sure you measure it as you do it. When the coil is big enough it WILL speed up under load, no matter the rpm or the number of magnets on the rotor. But you might have to wind a heck of a BIG coil to see it happen. I would recommend adding a 100 feet at a time. When it finally speeds up, start cutting off 10 foot lengths until it no longer speeds up under load. When it stops speeding up under load, add 2 foot lengths until it starts speeding up again. Now you are within a couple feet "perfect"

2.Then unwind the coil, cut the wire in half, and rewind with only two strands in parallel and connect them in series. Now start cutting pieces off in 2 foot lengths until the coil no longer speeds up under load. (Each cut will remove 4 feet of wire...two feet on each strand. This will prove to you that two wires in parallel and connected in series have more capacitance, and what Tesla says is true. Otherwise as soon as you cut off a couple feet it would longer speed up under load.

3.Now unwind the coil, cut the two strands in half, and rewind the coil with four strands in parallel and connect them in series. If the coil speeds up under load NOW, then whatI have said is true, because you already shortened it so it would NOT speed up under load in step two when you cut some off the two strands.

Or if you are LAZY, skip step #1, and just wind a coil with two strands until it speeds up under load, and then follow the directions in step two.

bi,
Aaron was a bit upset with me that I deleted my posts, so I believe he going to put them all back. So I won't be deleting anymore.
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Aaron was a bit upset with me that I deleted my posts, so I believe
he going to put them all back. So I won't be deleting anymore.
Yeah I was mad too, years and years of blood sweat and tears gone up
in smoke in 1 minute. We need time to digest the info as a collective.
Keep it all right there don't listen to the other voices that say your
work is meaningless. You are the greatest for many reasons.

1 Bench work not all mouth

2 Well educated

3 Good public relations skills

4 Persistent knowing that others need time to hear the repeats.

The list is so long. That is why you have made it nearly 10 years

Oh you have your moments like any man, we all get over. Think of
it like this. Whatever you are like today is what you will be like
tomorrow and based on this observation a persons trajectory can
be determined. It's still prime time.

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Our generators are anywhere from 1000 percent --- 3000 percent
efficient. Now there is your sky limit. .98 output? Lame.
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