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Old 04-15-2019, 08:19 PM
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Alex Manzanero Lenz Free Magnetic Diode Experiments

Hi all, My attention was brought to Alex Manzanero's lenz free magnetic diode idea.
I have tried to replicate it and the results so far are interesting.

This is the main video with him explaining it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GOGpE6AXDUI

And this is a video I made of my experiments with his idea.
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Hi all, My attention was brought to Alex Manzanero's lenz free magnetic diode idea.
I have tried to replicate it and the results so far are interesting.
Nice diode Sky, thanks for proving it on the bench. My son Jordan and I
(as you may or may not have noticed) have built a slow moving magnet
rotor to make tests with. I think this qualifies.

I wonder what iron cores might do now. Of course you get a much
more powerful generator action with a standard core like that. I
wonder if it works better with say 2 small wall adapter size cores?

Anyway great job. Of course the skeptics will call you names and say
it is a hoax with the rest of the old unteachable dogs barking
"MUH LENZ"

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Old 04-15-2019, 10:42 PM
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Hi mike, thanks for the positive words.
I'm sure the small regular type silicon steel transformers would work, though I would guess there would be some drag, since more eddy currents with those, compared to ferrite.

Though since most people probably will not have these ferrite c-cores, nor do I have many of them to build a multi coil/core generator.
So I will work on a magnetic diode using the regular silicon steel laminate cores.
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Old 04-16-2019, 07:31 PM
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Hi all, I'm rebuilding the ferrite magnet diode.
Because on my first try, I had to add another c-core because the gap at the rubber washer was too large.
So I'm reducing the leg with the steel washer to only one washer (1/16" thick) and the other leg with a plastic disc of 1/16" thick also.
Here are the pics of the first try.





After I get Alex's standard design to work, then I may try normal laminated silicon cores.
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Hi all, I'm rebuilding the ferrite magnet diode.


After I get Alex's standard design to work, then I may try normal laminated silicon cores.
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I saw somewhere that transformer gaps are made thru of
course experimentation
by judging how much is generated VS. the slowing
effect (in this case) on the rotor. All you might need for a perfect
balance is a milk jug thickness of non metallic material.

Poly does carry electrons and charges around and rubber is less.
The path of least resistance is why the cores are arranged set to
create and then it jumps across the gap he says "LATER"? Sounds
like this geometry is causing a delay in max current at TDC.

Just a guess.
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Hi mike, that's interesting you say that, as I'm experimenting with this smaller gap, I notice it's not the same, it is dragging more.
Then I put the other c-core back on in same place and it is much better.
So I'm now thinking the added ferrite c-core on the leg where the rotor magnet interacts with, is causing a delay.
Meaning, the rotor flux does not reach the other side of the coil at the same time, so we get decent voltage generation, then by that time, the lenz from the other side of coil is coming around and helping to nullify lenz, by creating the magnetic loop.
Though it may just be a delay effect with either setup as you are thinking.
I used hot glue this time, to make it easy to change the setup, so this time, I'm going to make the gap a 1/4" on the rubber washer side and 4 stacked washers on other leg for 1/4" also.
This way, with the extra c-core, which makes the rubber washer side a much longer flux path, we can maybe see if it is actually a delay effect, instead of the magnetic looping.
It could be a combination of both.
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Old 04-18-2019, 04:26 AM
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it would be interesting to try a laminated core, more magnetism would be induced, and by dragging since there is a load it will give the thrust and inertia to be decreased, and if it rotates further the engine is compensated for in profit
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Hi Alex, thanks for replying in the forum.
I'm currently testing the simple ferromagnetic material, passing a coil/core with a permanent magnet at backside of coil/core.
I just did a quick test using the ferrite c-cores on rotor, it puts out about 1vac and when the coil is shorted, has zero effect on input amperage.
Though I need to modify the rotor slightly, to get the ferrite cores on rotor closer to the coil/core, this for more voltage and a better test to be sure there is no lenz reaction.
If that goes well, then I will try and improve the rotor further and then add more coil/cores.
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Well, may I be suspicious about the results ?
I saw "overunity" in transformers when testing 1:1 ratio 10W and 20W transformer (custom made from two identical step down transformers) with 230V AC and with parallel capacitor to get 50Hz resonant frequency. At the end the 1 or 3W of (apparent) overunity goes from magnetizing current or the idle current required for operation of transformer when unloaded is secondary.

To prove overunity in small power scale you need a way to carefully measure the input current for example of the motor driving wheel with glued magnets. For example to lower the idle current for motor but that would be difficult in such a small scale. PWM driving AC motor would imho better measure the variation of input current with speed carefully measured also.
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Hi boguslaw, you can be whatever you like my friend, I'm just experimenting here.

I switched to the ferromagnetic rotor generator device that alex showed because I could not get the device of this thread topic to charge a battery without drag, or other practical loads.
Though short circuited was interesting, though keep in mind, my setup was different than alex's, he uses a bigger ferrite core and windings on both sides, so my attempt is probably not a good one.

However, this other device, based on this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H_WrviFVgJU&t=2s
is giving much more interesting results, this device can charge the same 1.2 volt AA nimh cell that I tried on previous device and the input amperage does not increase, meaning the rotor does not slow down.
The device as it is at the moment, puts out 2.6 vac at the speed I was running it at, with the one coil/core, no-load.
Here is a pic of the current setup.



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Hi Alex, thanks for replying in the forum.
I'm currently testing the simple ferromagnetic material, passing a coil/core with a permanent magnet at backside of coil/core.
I just did a quick test using the ferrite c-cores on rotor, it puts out about 1vac and when the coil is shorted, has zero effect on input amperage.
Though I need to modify the rotor slightly, to get the ferrite cores on rotor closer to the coil/core, this for more voltage and a better test to be sure there is no lenz reaction.
If that goes well, then I will try and improve the rotor further and then add more coil/cores.
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Very well, go ahead, although sometimes you have to perform many tests and configurations, you can try and I have the idea and I will do it, in the separations of the ferrite core put some thin instead of the separators that the Configuration of Manzanero, to see what you get
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HI SkyWatcher,
Thanks for sharing. What a find. Just when you think that you've seen most of the ideas that can be done with coils and magnets and stuff, new ones keep coming. It never would have occurred to me to attempt to short circuit or divert the CMMF flux path away from the rotor. I'm talking about the first experiment if I understood it rightly.

I'm curious, the third C coil that seems to be bridging the air gap, did you find that it worked better with it, than without it ?

The second experiment looks very interesting too.

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Hi lotec, you're welcome, though I'm not so sure if both of these ideas are new, maybe slightly different.
The 3rd ferrite c-core bridging the gap, helped reduce lenz, though it seemed to also lower the output from the generator coil.

The second experiment is showing good results.
I added another coil/core, each coil/core now has 6 magnets stacked at back end and they are in attraction mode, relative to each other.
I have the coils in series and the output is doubled at least.
When charging a 1.2v AA nimh cell, rpm slightly decreases and with 3.7 volt lithium ion cell, only slight decrease as well.
This setup with 2 coil/cores, when short circuited, slows down a little bit more.
Though when removing one of the magnet stacks from one of the coil/cores, when coils full wave bridge output is shorted, the rpm seems not affected.
Not sure what to think at the moment, anyone have any thoughts on this.
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reading your advances it seems that the magnets do not help you decrease the lenz, because they rent the rotation of the rotor magnets, now the two coils in series as you say that you connect them give you more voltage, if you go to the nuclei in the form of U or to the closed cycle of Mr. Alex, try to put in the separation only one magnet on each side of the ferrite core instead of the iron and plastic that Mr. Alex Manzanero uses, and if you comment on it, in any way thank you to share
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Hi alexelectric, this second experimental idea does have merit, I think it just needs to be set up correctly.
I shorted the series coils without using the full wave bridge, meaning direct to the ac output of the coils and I did not detect any slow down.
Not sure why that is at the moment, though I will give it some thought.
Comments or ideas welcome.
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SkyWatcher it seems good to me to continue with the idea.
You can also follow this project already somewhat advanced https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qIA21DbJmNE
and put improvements or more coils
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My replication of magnetic diode - project promoted by Alex Manzanero
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2upDwZ_Mh_4&t=8s
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I saw the video and good demonstration, you can put a magnet for each coil and improve the inducion and see what happens with the lenz, one of the ideas is to make a coil something bigger with big magnet to get a good voltage and current , as well as the projects of the axial wind turbines that show in the network, here we would have the solid core laminated as those of the transformers or graphite but large are expensive and see if there are, thanks to which are adding to the comments and giving proposals and examples, so will be improving this type of generator
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Hi everyone.
Alex thank you for your suggestions. Anyway, your idea of putting magnets in the points where the cores are joined, I've already tried it. Yesterday I saw your post with this idea. Well, there is no improvement. What I confirm after my tests, is that by shorting the coil, the consumption does not increase. I can say that otherwise, the consumption goes down, and the revolutions go up after a while. Anyway, the law of lenz is present for every connected charge.
Even more. According to the separation between the U part (of the core) there is more or less voltage. The more separated it is, the more voltage the output of the coils.
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Hi everyone.
Alex thank you for your suggestions. Anyway, your idea of putting magnets in the points where the cores are joined, I've already tried it. Yesterday I saw your post with this idea. Well, there is no improvement. What I confirm after my tests, is that by shorting the coil, the consumption does not increase. I can say that otherwise, the consumption goes down, and the revolutions go up after a while. Anyway, the law of lenz is present for every connected charge.
Even more. According to the separation between the U part (of the core) there is more or less voltage. The more separated it is, the more voltage the output of the coils.
ok, to be more separated parts of the U is spun more coil so there is more voltage, if the law is present what is diverted or directed to repel the magnet inductor.
There are other proposals of generator without lenz so call it, are the projects of Antonio Romero, studying and carrying out projects I think you can see which configuration is the best.
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Hi all, not having much luck making practical output with both of these ideas.
Though not to say good output could not be made with tight tolerances and better design,
I'm just not equipped to be able to do so.

So I am making tests with thane heins mechanical type setup.
Will probably start a new thread.

Though it has 8 alternating neo magnets on rotor, almost 4" diameter rotor, with same type of core (Bailing wire, short pieces, painted with enamel as core) and this coil is bifilar 24awg. magnet wire, connected in series.

The bifilar series wired coil increases the capacitance of the coil and apparently helps with causing a phase delay and lowering lenz drag.

I can say so far, since this motor can turn this rotor at quite a good speed, I do notice at lower rpm's, when the bifilar coil is short circuited, the rotor will slow to a dead stop fairly quickly.
Though when the rpm's are increased, the rotor does slow, though not much at all.

Will be trying a different coil, to try and get the rotor to be lenz neutral at least and beyond.
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Hi all, not having much luck

I can say so far, since this motor can turn this rotor at quite a good speed,

I do notice at lower rpm's, when the bifilar coil is short circuited, the rotor will

slow to a dead stop fairly quickly.
Good observations.

Recommendation (what I keep telling MYSELF)

25awg wire 2400 feet of wire cut into 40 foot sections and wound
together in parallel totaling 60 strands. Eliminating SELF INDUCTION
at the lower speeds.

Pound two posts in the ground at a distance of 40 feet, go round and
round 60 times then cut on the ends. No fancy equipment needed.

Each strand next to each other represents capacitance. As more strands
are connected in series you get more capacitance. Way more than a
bifilar or a two strand coil. This is called a multi-filar coil, not a quad
filar, not a oct-filar, a multi-filar, could be 24 strand could be 48 or 60.

It really isn't very big after winding as you may think, I have a 4200 foot
coil at 24 strands and it is not very big. Use 29awg or 25awg. If your
cranked up rotor is over 1000 rpm (And I think it is 1500 rpm's guessing)
you should get speed up after 30 strands and plenty of power out.

On the magnetic diode side maybe rotor rpm or frequency is important
and a specific diode with gap will operate best at a certain speed? Not
sure.

The best way to find out is to run your rpm's up high and use a
conventional coil ( a post with 200-300ft of wire around it) to draw
down the rotor establishing a baseline and then use the diode trying
to generate at the high r's.

It is hard to measure a 1/4watt load pulled off of a 50-100 watt input
on the drive motor so try to get some power first. How much power are
you able to pull using a standard coil?

For instance, if you are running at say a 50watt drive motor input see
if you can at least generate 10-20 watts. This sharpen you abilities for
regular generating practices such as gap size or core size vs magnet
strength.

Once you have polished up you skills generating not only will you see
that a considerable drop is proportional to the load but you will have
established a relative size for a normal coil. By normal i mean all these
power hungry coils in use today, they are 200-300 feet.

Now multiply by 10 so 200 time 10 = 2000 feet of wire to start with.

First you have to prove to yourself that you can generate 10% of the
drive input, then your desire to generate 10% lenz free will follow.

Do you have any wire to work with is the question. If so get out in
the yard. I am not saying you will need 2000 feet using 40 foot
strands but it better to be safe.

Longer strands like mine needed6 strands in series running 3000 rpm's.
My strands were 175ft each. Wantomake used shorter strands and got
the lenz free effect at a lower rpm.

If you want to use the diode, first generate conventionally then
proportionally see to it that you diode is using the same amount of
wire that was on your standard coil.

Either way you go try to get power back with slow down then go for
speed up after you understand the requirement for wire amounts, gaps
and core sizes.

Take a deep breath and know that now you have what you need
to proceed. Trust me this takes time and is not free and easy effortless
unlimited power. It is just another day in the life of a dedicated
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BroMikey a whole description and detail of the whole process you do
It is interesting to see how it is getting better, and from the avences of each one and sharing them, the projects are getting better, what you describe is very interesting

since we are in these, a project that I have, is that of a car alternator, redesign its structure, try to make the alternator with coil without lenz, using the configuration of the microwave oven motor, this motor also reduces the lenz.

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Hi all, Hi mike, thanks for all the information, I knew most of that already from reading the threads here, though have yet to focus enough to try the many, many strand coils.
The biggest multistrand I have made is 12 strand of 24awg. magnet wire, not sure the length of each strand.
I do have a good amount of 30awg. magnet wire on hand, in one piece.

Also have a decent amount of 24awg., though that is in many different coils I have made over time.
So I would have to pull 40 foot lengths and secure each strand in the back yard, until each separate coil is used up and hopefully I end up having at least 30 strands or more.

I checked rpm of rotor at lower speed, meaning safer to me rpm, using my meter with frequency function and it showed .16, it is a 20Khz setting only.
So I think that is 160 Hz divided by the 8 magnets on rotor, which gives 20 actual Hz, so about 1200 rpm at a reasonable setting.
Which gauge wire would you suggest using mike, 24awg. or 30awg.?
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so about 1200 rpm at a reasonable setting.
Which gauge wire would you suggest using mike, 24awg. or 30awg.?
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Critical information like 1200 rpm's and the 30awg will due just fine.
Plus as you connect strand 1 in series with strand 2 you will be able to
document conventional generating and after a number of strands
(Impossible for me to guess) you will see a tapering off of the drag
till it is gone. I did a 29awg and at 170ft x 6 strands it was null like
you want. The shorter strands might let you do the same thing at
a lower RPM but you will need lots of them.

Let's figure that out.

So 170 X 6 = 1020 feet and I still had 3000 plus ft left over. It is fun
to go up on strands a little higher to watch the rotor run up on RPM's.
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hello to all
alex manzanero thread is about a lenzless generator, inducing a trafo core.(mag flux diverted or delayed)

Polyfilar coils are treated in many other threads. (spliting+, turion, etc)

Inducing a trafo:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7NmEUestS2g
No aparent Lenz effect. Schematic included, and a very detailed explanation.

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Hi mike, thanks for the information and help, going to use the 30awg. then.
I'll post the progress in your split positive thread.
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