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Old 09-20-2019, 09:54 PM
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What I stated is not relevant??? Your statement;
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#1.) A motor runs at no load without a rotor attached to its external shaft at a certain RPM and current draw (amps), say from a 24V battery.
#2.) A generator's rotor is connected to that motor shaft with generator coils connected to a load, while the source 24V battery remains the same, and the motor increases RPM and reduces current draw(amps) compared to the values seen on #1.
1.So a motor turning a rotor runs at a specific voltage and rpm.
2. When generator coils are placed near the rotor and connected to a load, there is no increase in amp draw by the motor and the rpm is the same.

That’s exactly what I just said that you say is NOT relevant. It’s EXACTLY the same thing. And it is EXACTLY what I have said all along. I’m DONE arguing this stupidity with you.
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Baffling!!

When the generator is put under load the motor speeds up to an RPM greater than that which it attained when running on 24 volts with NO rotor in place. The amp draw of the motor is LESS than what it was running on 24 volts with no rotor in place.

I read this carefully several times.
What you are suggesting is that the generator is supplying a load and also, to some extent, turning the drive motor. Ie. the drive motor is using less energy than it was when running "free".
This is absolutely incredible!!!!!
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What I stated is not relevant??? Your statement;


1.So a motor turning a rotor runs at a specific voltage and rpm.
2. When generator coils are placed near the rotor and connected to a load, there is no increase in amp draw by the motor and the rpm is the same.

That’s exactly what I just said that you say is NOT relevant. It’s EXACTLY the same thing. And it is EXACTLY what I have said all along. I’m DONE arguing this stupidity with you.
Turion,

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When the generator is put under load the motor speeds up to an RPM greater than that which it attained when running on 24 volts with NO rotor in place. The amp draw of the motor is LESS than what it was running on 24 volts with no rotor in place.
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I paraphrased it so there was no misunderstanding of what you claimed. Now you confuse it on purpose. Let me highlight the critical parts of the new claim:
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When the generator is put under load the motor speeds up to an RPM greater than that which it attained when running on 24 volts with NO rotor in place. The amp draw of the motor is LESS than what it was running on 24 volts with no rotor in place.
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RPM greater than with no rotor. Got that?

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When the generator is put under load the motor speeds up to an RPM greater than that which it attained when running on 24 volts with NO rotor in place. The amp draw of the motor is LESS than what it was running on 24 volts with no rotor in place.
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Amp draw less than with no rotor. Got that?

That is not the same as this:
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1.So a motor turning a rotor runs at a specific voltage and rpm.
2. When generator coils are placed near the rotor and connected to a load, there is no increase in amp draw by the motor and the rpm is the same.

That’s exactly what I just said that you say is NOT relevant. It’s EXACTLY the same thing. And it is EXACTLY what I have said all along.
You have never claimed increasing RPM and decreasing amps over that which the motor runs without the rotor before like you did today. It is a new claim which is ridiculous and you know it but try to confuse the issue or live in some space of denial. Words have meaning. I don't think you know that. You just say or claim anything you want without any real basis.

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Old 09-20-2019, 11:07 PM
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OK,
NOW I see what you are saying. And to be perfectly honest, I did NOT mean to say “without the rotor”. That was a mistake on my part. I guess I need to read what I write more carefully. I am so tired of being told I am wrong when I know I am right that I have little patience. So you are right and I am wrong. I am happy to admit that when it is TRUE. What I meant to say is that with the coils in place and under load it will have a lower amp draw and a higher RPM than it did with JUST the rotor in place.


Quantum_Well,
Read what I just posted above. Now there is a CHANCE that it could be speeding up more than it did WITHOUT the rotor in place and drawing less amps, but I will not make that claim. I have not tested for that nor measured to see if that can happen. How could I believe that it is even possible?

The whole issue with Lenz is that the coil core turns into a electromagnet that repels the approaching magnet on the rotor, slowing the rotor DOWN. By winding the coil correctly, you increase its capacitance so that it doesn’t become an electromagnet until the rotor magnet has reached top dead center. The rotor magnet is then PUSHED away by the electromagnet in the direction of rotation. It is a MOTORING action produced by the generator coils. It is NOT rocket science. Or, gee, I guess it’s simple physics, so maybe it IS rocket science. Could you get enough acceleration out of this arrangement to go faster than without the coil in place? I wouldn’t doubt it, but I have not seen it myself. It IS a motor after all. But you would probably not get much as a generator if you tuned it for that. And it WOULD have to be tuned to be a motor rather than a generator, which defeats its purpose.

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Hi Turion,.......

Very poor forum manners to bulk delete.

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It's a fake.

Like Turion's genny, a planet saving machine. Some guy in India probably has it packed away in a box because he's too busy. I truly wish it was real. But incredible claims need credible proof.

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Not claims of fantastic unbelievable performance ...............


Just another lie coming from Dave? Not nice at all Bi

When an engine is used to to drive a conventional generator head a
governor is employed to raise the rpm's via the throttle. This increase=
hp and oil consumption. That is the way it is today.

With the new innovation for generators the input drive does not have
a governor. This is due to the fact that these new coils do not reverse
polarity until after TDC. That is a completely different discussion and can
only be rehearsed with engineering level students.

These attempted to sway programmed persons only offer pablo in
regards to the in debt design topology. Buy your magnets today
and begin.

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OK,
NOW I see what you are saying. And to be perfectly honest, I did NOT mean to say “without the rotor”. That was a mistake on my part. I guess I need to read what I write more carefully. I am so tired of being told I am wrong when I know I am right that I have little patience. So you are right and I am wrong. I am happy to admit that when it is TRUE. What I meant to say is that with the coils in place and under load it will have a lower amp draw and a higher RPM than it did with JUST the rotor in place.


Quantum_Well,
Read what I just posted above. Now there is a CHANCE that it could be speeding up more than it did WITHOUT the rotor in place and drawing less amps, but I will not make that claim. I have not tested for that nor measured to see if that can happen. How could I believe that it is even possible?

The whole issue with Lenz is that the coil core turns into a electromagnet that repels the approaching magnet on the rotor, slowing the rotor DOWN. By winding the coil correctly, you increase its capacitance so that it doesn’t become an electromagnet until the rotor magnet has reached top dead center. The rotor magnet is then PUSHED away by the electromagnet in the direction of rotation. It is a MOTORING action produced by the generator coils. It is NOT rocket science. Or, gee, I guess it’s simple physics, so maybe it IS rocket science. Could you get enough acceleration out of this arrangement to go faster than without the coil in place? I wouldn’t doubt it, but I have not seen it myself. It IS a motor after all. But you would probably not get much as a generator if you tuned it for that. And it WOULD have to be tuned to be a motor rather than a generator, which defeats its purpose.

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OK Turion,

Let's leave it at that.

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OK Turion,

Let's leave it at that.

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I don't care. Waste your time with it. But please, don't try to convince me that it in any way substantiates your (2kw out)/(300w in) claim.

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To whom it may concern

To all,

It appears that Turion deleted his posts on this thread which he made prior to 08/28/2019. I don't like when that happens and is a reason that I quote posts to which I reply. The author may be able to delete his post but the quote in my post remains visible so at least I keep some context. I can't do anything about the missing posts now except, as thread starter, offer apologies to readers.

Also, in case it isn't obvious to readers, I ignore BM. I don't want to try to censure, not that I could anyway, but what the heck? I guess any member can post anything here provided it adheres to forum rules. Nothing says that I, or anyone else, must reply, or even pay attention to the BS that BM writes.

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.............offer apologies to readers.
I ignore BM. or even pay attention to the BS that BM writes.

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That is because I don't try to discredit Dave for open and honest sharing
nor do I like insults coming from you in the form of liar liar. You are the
person who does not play nice only later to come back to say how kind
you are, of course playing your victim card. Poor little mr innocence.
AKA Innocent Bi Stander. Then only to change back and forth to BI as
if we all don't know what "BI" means.

BI directional either or wishy washy game playing sir innocence. You
are only fooling yourself. Even Aaron has tried to talk rationally to you
and you display blatant rejection of good reasoning.

It is bad manners to call people a liar consistently. Of course I do not
expect a person such as yourself to show us good judgement with so
many programmed conflicts part of your world.

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Speed up.

I chose the worst performing generator to show my point.
The only time "speed up" is of benefit would be where I have coloured green.
Under that you're just rearranging deck chairs.
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Performance curves.

I think its futile trying to assess the performance of a generator by observing the current drawn by the drive motor.
Notice how poor 1hp. performs against the 100hp.

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I have probably said this 100 times and still you guys don’t get it.
There are two factors that make running a standard generator ridiculously impractical with an electric motor.

1. For each coil you add around the rotor you are adding a specific mass of iron in the coil core that the rotating magnets are attracted to. At low speed you get cogging, but at high speed the cogging goes away. However, there is still magnetic drag. This is the inherent attraction of the moving magnets to stationary iron. The magnets want to stop their rotation and align with the iron core. This is a fact and you can’t change it. This requires ADDITIONAL amps through the motor to maintain operational speed as you add more and more coils. You can, however, create an opposing force that neutralizes this attraction. That is what my opposition magnets do. Add as many coils as you want. There is NO drag and NO increased amp draw by the motor.

2. The second issue you have is that every coil with an iron core is subject to Lenz. This means that when the coil is under load, as each rotor magnet approaches the coil it creates electrical current in the coil that creates a magnetic field in the core that repels the approaching magnet on the rotor. This means you must provide the drive motor with more amps to maintain the same operational rpm in order to overcome this resistance. With a properly wound coil you increase capacitance so that the forming of the electromagnet is DELAYED until the approaching magnet has reached top dead center. Now the magnet is repelled in the direction of rotation assisting in that rotation or “speeding up under load.” If you adjust the variables (length of wire, number of strands in parallel or volts and amps input to motor) you can establish a condition where the input to the motor is at its lowest while the output of the generator coil is at its highest and get a neutral condition where the drive motor is neither slowed down NOR accelerated. This is optimal. My generator running at full speed and suddenly having all the coils connected to a load would bog down and draw over 30 amps, (on my 30 amp in line shunted meter.). With properly wound coils it draws 12 amps in the same condition.

These two inovations allow you to run a VERY LARGE generator with a very small electric motor. If you see no advantage in that then, by all means, continue on your way and pay NO attention to anything I have said.
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I have probably said this 100 times and still you guys don’t get it.
There are two factors that make running a standard generator ridiculously impractical with an electric motor.

1. For each coil you add around the rotor you are adding a specific mass of iron in the coil core that the rotating magnets are attracted to. At low speed you get cogging, but at high speed the cogging goes away. However, there is still magnetic drag. This is the inherent attraction of the moving magnets to stationary iron. The magnets want to stop their rotation and align with the iron core. This is a fact and you can’t change it. This requires ADDITIONAL amps through the motor to maintain operational speed as you add more and more coils. You can, however, create an opposing force that neutralizes this attraction. That is what my opposition magnets do. Add as many coils as you want. There is NO drag and NO increased amp draw by the motor.

2. The second issue you have is that every coil with an iron core is subject to Lenz. This means that when the coil is under load, as each rotor magnet approaches the coil it creates electrical current in the coil that creates a magnetic field in the core that repels the approaching magnet on the rotor. This means you must provide the drive motor with more amps to maintain the same operational rpm in order to overcome this resistance. With a properly wound coil you increase capacitance so that the forming of the electromagnet is DELAYED until the approaching magnet has reached top dead center. Now the magnet is repelled in the direction of rotation assisting in that rotation or “speeding up under load.” If you adjust the variables (length of wire, number of strands in parallel or volts and amps input to motor) you can establish a condition where the input to the motor is at its lowest while the output of the generator coil is at its highest and get a neutral condition where the drive motor is neither slowed down NOR accelerated. This is optimal. My generator running at full speed and suddenly having all the coils connected to a load would bog down and draw over 30 amps, (on my 30 amp in line shunted meter.). With properly wound coils it draws 12 amps in the same condition.

These two inovations allow you to run a VERY LARGE generator with a very small electric motor. If you see no advantage in that then, by all means, continue on your way and pay NO attention to anything I have said.
Hi Turion,

You can disregard the Law, but it still applies. It is called Lorentz Force. A functioning generator necessarily has magnetic flux through the coil and when loaded, has current through the conductors of that coil, therefore developes a force opposing motion.

Just for kicks, I dare you to demonstrate your two claims stated above. I know you have said you've seen this, but we know what you see isn't always real, don't we?

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There are two factors that make running a standard generator ridiculously impractical with an electric motor.
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Motor-generators, commonly called M-G sets, are by no means "ridiculously impractical". They have been used for various applications for over a hundred years and many still used today, effectively and efficiently. These M-G sets are a combination of a standard electric motor and standard generator coupled together on the shaft.

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Motor-generators, commonly called M-G sets, are by no means "ridiculously impractical". They have been used for various applications for over a hundred years and many still used today, effectively and efficiently. These M-G sets are a combination of a standard electric motor and standard generator coupled together on the shaft.

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MY generator puts out over 2000 watts at a cost of less than 300 watts. What are the operating specs of these wonderful machines you mention? Don't bother to look it up. I already have one I inherited from my dad. They put out around 27% of that at 3 times the cost. I guess you can call that "effective and efficient" if you want. They have their uses, especially when it's all you got.

I HAVE shown the coils speeding up under load, and I HAVE demonstrated magnetic neutralization. So have others. There are folks who understand that it works. What I have NOT done is show YOU my big machine running with inputs and outputs. And I never will.
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MY generator puts out over 2000 watts at a cost of less than 300 watts. What are the operating specs of these wonderful machines you mention? Don't bother to look it up. I already have one I inherited from my dad. They put out around 27% of that at 3 times the cost. I guess you can call that "effective and efficient" if you want. They have their uses, especially when it's all you got.

I HAVE shown the coils speeding up under load, and I HAVE demonstrated magnetic neutralization. So have others. There are folks who understand that it works. What I have NOT done is show YOU my big machine running with inputs and outputs. And I never will.
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I HAVE shown the coils speeding up under load, and I HAVE demonstrated magnetic neutralization. So have others.
These two things are irrelevant to the claims you've made here today, which are that you can add load to the output of the generator without increasing the power input and that winding a generator coil differently you can decrease the input by 60% for the same output.

You can't demonstrate those claims, can you?

I don't care about speed up under load and your anticogging technique. And I am not saying that you can't do those things. But those things don't matter when it comes to real power output and power input.

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All these guys do is say what the book says.Da book say you
can not do that. The books says you have fooled yerself

Only thing that matter to Bi is "Da book says" the rest don't matter
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Just out of curiosity, where did I say I can decrease the input by 60% for the same output by "winding a coil differently"? I assume you are talking about the amp draw numbers I quoted for correct coils vs incorrect coils? Is that it? I never said that. The cost for turning a rotor remains the same. All I get to do is add more coils without INCREASING that cost.
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Just out of curiosity, where did I say I can decrease the input by 60% for the same output by "winding a coil differently"? I assume you are talking about the amp draw numbers I quoted for correct coils vs incorrect coils? Is that it? I never said that. The cost for turning a rotor remains the same. All I get to do is add more coils without INCREASING that cost.
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My generator running at full speed and suddenly having all the coils connected to a load would bog down and draw over 30 amps, (on my 30 amp in line shunted meter.). With properly wound coils it draws 12 amps in the same condition.
Same condition, 30A -> 12A is 60% reduction of input power. At least the way I read it.

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You need to learn to read. It only costs 12 amps at 24 volts to turn the rotor 2800 RPM with all the magnets on it. I am not reducing ANYTHING by winding the coils correctly. I am simply using what I know to eliminate the increased amp draw by the motor when coils which are wound INCORRECTLY are placed near the rotor. Simple. Would you rather I increase the required amp draw by 60% just to make you happy?
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You need to learn to read. It only costs 12 amps at 24 volts to turn the rotor 2800 RPM with all the magnets on it. I am not reducing ANYTHING by winding the coils correctly. I am simply using what I know to eliminate the increased amp draw by the motor when coils which are wound INCORRECTLY are placed near the rotor. Simple. Would you rather I increase the required amp draw by 60% just to make you happy?
No, I'd rather you demonstrate your claims instead of confusing the issue with double talk.

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Whe my errors make me look bad, you’re the first to point them out. But when my errors are to YOUR advantage, you simply ignore them. If a motor can turn a rotor with magnets on it running on 24 volts at 12 amps with the correct coils in place, but needs over 30 amps to do it with INCORRECTLY wound coils in place, isn’t that a BIT more than a 60% increase? More like 250% increase? What happened to those math checking skills? And exactly what about this is double talk. It is exactly what I have said all along. I have given this example SEVERAL times now. But when it makes YOU look bad, you deem it double talk.

And by the way, the increase in amp draw from 12 amps to over 30 amps has absolutely NOTHING to do with how the coils are wound. It takes place from the addition of the iron cores of the 12 coils being placed in proximity to the rotor magnets. That increase will take place whether the coils are wound correctly or NOT. YOU’RE the one who said it had to do with how coils are wound and I just played along to see where you were going. Just wanted to see if you have been paying ANY attention or if your only purpose is to try to distort the truth. I guess I have my answer.
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Whe my errors make me look bad, you’re the first to point them out. But when my errors are to YOUR advantage, you simply ignore them. If a motor can turn a rotor with magnets on it running on 24 volts at 12 amps with the correct coils in place, but needs over 30 amps to do it with INCORRECTLY wound coils in place, isn’t that a BIT more than a 60% increase? More like 250% increase? What happened to those math checking skills? And exactly what about this is double talk. It is exactly what I have said all along. I have given this example SEVERAL times now. But when it makes YOU look bad, you deem it double talk.

And by the way, the increase in amp draw from 12 amps to over 30 amps has absolutely NOTHING to do with how the coils are wound. It takes place from the addition of the iron cores of the 12 coils being placed in proximity to the rotor magnets. That increase will take place whether the coils are wound correctly or NOT. YOU’RE the one who said it had to do with how coils are wound and I just played along to see where you were going. Just wanted to see if you have been paying ANY attention or if your only purpose is to try to distort the truth. I guess I have my answer.
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My generator running at full speed and suddenly having all the coils connected to a load would bog down and draw over 30 amps, (on my 30 amp in line shunted meter.). With properly wound coils it draws 12 amps in the same condition.
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Your generator draws over 30 amps. With differently wound coils, it draws 12 amps.

30 amps. Then down to 12 amps.

18 amps less.

30 amps originally.

18 divided by 30 equals 0.6.

0.6 is equal to 60%.

18 is 60% of 30.

30 minus 60% equals 12.

12 is 18 less than 30.

12 is 60% less than 30.

This is what I originally wrote when paraphrasing you:
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... that winding a generator coil differently you can decrease the input by 60% for the same output. ...
I never say "increase".

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...isn’t that a BIT more than a 60% increase
You brought "increase" into the discussion, not me.

And you said it had to do with coils.
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With properly wound coils ...
You can't support your claims, so you intentionally confuse the issue. Just like always.

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Old 09-24-2019, 10:31 PM
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... at 12 amps with the correct coils in place, but needs over 30 amps to do it with INCORRECTLY wound coils in place, isn’t that a BIT more than a 60% increase? More like 250% increase? What happened to those math checking skills? ...
Hi Turion,

I already covered that you originally had referred to a decrease, not increase. You do know the difference, don't you? But considering increases, 12 to 30 is a 150% increase, not 250% increase.

If you have 12 and get 6 more, it is a 50% increase for a total of 18.

If you have 12 and get 12 more, it is a 100% increase for a total of 24.

If you have 12 and get 18 more, it is a 150% increase for a total of 30.

If you have 30 and lose 18, it is a 60% decrease leaving 12.

Funny how that works.

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There we go. I knew eventually I’d get you to do some math! LOL

My generator draws 12 amps at 24 volts. Period. The same under full load. I have NO IDEA how many amps it will draw under full load with improperly wound coils. Don’t even want to think about that, so never went looking. It is only when you remove functioning parts of my generator designed to eliminate the magnetic drag between the rotor magnets and the coil cores that the amp draw of the motor climbs to over 30 amps. Amperage will also climb when under full load if not run at the minimum rpm, which means an input less than 24 volts at 12 amps or if the proper coils are replaced with improperly wound coils. This is all I have to say on this subject. When I have it put together again, then I will post some more. I guess that gives you the final word bi.

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There we go. I knew eventually I’d get you to do some math! LOL

My generator draws 12 amps at 24 volts. Period. The same under full load. I have NO IDEA how many amps it will draw under full load with improperly wound coils. Don’t even want to think about that, so never went looking. It is only when you remove functioning parts of my generator designed to eliminate the magnetic drag between the rotor magnets and the coil cores that the amp draw of the motor climbs to over 30 amps. Amperage will also climb when under full load if not run at the minimum rpm, which means an input less than 24 volts at 12 amps or if the proper coils are replaced with improperly wound coils. This is all I have to say on this subject. When I have it put together again, then I will post some more. I guess that gives you the final word bi.

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... My generator running at full speed and suddenly having all the coils connected to a load would bog down and draw over 30 amps ...
And that by changing coils, it will decrease to 12 amps for the same conditions.

I just requested a demonstration, evidence, proof... you know, something to back up the claim. All you do is mix up words and figures and contradict yourself. First you say coils make the difference, then the coils don't make any difference, just the cores do, now back to the coils making a difference again. And first decrease, then increase, then increase with bad math. You've got some issues. How does anybody take you seriously?

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You just told us:

And first decrease, then increase, then increase with bad math.
You've got some issues. How does anybody take you seriously?

bi
Turion is always right and if you chose to cloud the data you are no
better than those whose of the past who claim they were in search of
a demo only to remove half the parts once they got it, so they could say

"See I told you it doesn't work"

Get it straight man or go home. You stay confused all of the time, back
and forth, right and left til you can't tell yer back from yer from, BI.

12amps out of 30amps is a 60% reduction? Wow, nice math. Did
you learn anything else?
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Too good to be true?

If this is real it's very exciting.
It's obviously based on extrapolation of some sort as testing would have been impossible (time).
If it's legit its wonderful news!

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