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Old 05-13-2019, 02:42 AM
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A CHILD could do what you ask, but you can't. That just kills me.
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A CHILD could do what you ask, but you can't. That just kills me.
Now you claim a child can demonstrate a generator which delivers 2kw of real output power while using only 300 watts of input power. Got proof of that claim?

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Old 05-13-2019, 04:53 AM
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Show a generator running at an output of real power which is more than the input power. But you can not.
My response: A CHILD could do what you ask, but you can't. That just kills me.

THAT is what I said a child can do, not "demonstrate a generator which delivers 2kw of real output power while using only 300 watts of input power" which I can ALSO do, but it would be harder for a child to replicate that. Once again you try to twist my words to suit you.

Give me a couple days. I think I can put together a video using my coil testing machine, which does NOT have magnetic neutralization, but I think I could rig it to run at least a couple coils, and that would prove more out than in if that is all that is needed to show you that you are incorrect in your beliefs. That machine has never been taken apart, but just doesn't have any coils in it right now. I just happen to have three coils wound, and that should be enough to prove the point. We shall see.

Edit: Nope. I forgot my coil tester has a rotor with N/S magnets on it. Need one with all N or all S to set up magnetic opposition. So you win. I just don’t have the time to rebuild a machine right now.
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Old 05-13-2019, 05:27 AM
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Letís join the fray, we came to play.
Immature personalities with high IQís need girlfriends or something.
They sure are burned out in the social areas.
My daddyís ego is bigger than yours.
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Because it is impossible. An electric generator is an energy conversion device. It requires more energy input (in mechanical form thru the shaft) than the energy it outputs to the load (electricity). Nothing you're doing, or anybody has done, changes that fact.

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Hello Bistander,

I just had to enter here to answer your post above...

It "could be" practically impossible to overcome a "Mechanical Generator", where the "Input" is based on a rotating shaft, but...

Do you ever think a non mechanical generator is possible?, like just spinning (or moving) the magnetic fields is impossible?

Do you think using Magnetism as a solely source-method to generate electricity is the "one and only" method ever?

...and not talking about chemicals, nor any heat or specific reactions. But just using magnetism to control previously accelerated particles (electrons, ions, etc) into specific geometries which could induce electricity, just as magnetic fields do?

I would just ask you to be -just a bit- more "open minded" friend. Open your mind to "possible unexplored fields of science"...


There are some out there...


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Hi ufopolitics, is it along the same ideas as Teslaís frequency conversion methods in theory?
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Hey Turion,

Maybe a child shot this video.

https://youtu.be/5eXLecR17pI



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Nah,
Looks more like something you or Luc would build and then claim it was a replication of my generator.
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Men, that was a fake. Although he could have been one of my students.
His build is very hazardous and never is picked up to show the wires coming through the table.
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Old 05-14-2019, 02:37 PM
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Pot head,
Both bi and I KNOW that was a fake. We are just giving each other a hard time. No stock electric motor can turn a generator that outputs more than the motor takes to run without several things in place that are NOT in the design shown. We have been at this a long time, and while we may not agree on what IS possible, when it comes down to designs that are NOT possible, I’m sure we can agree that the above video is one of them.
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Hi Bistander,
some time ago you posted a link to a generator design
which appeared to be very efficient.
I think it was possibly an axial design aimed at wind energy.
I'd be most grateful if you could re-post it.
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some time ago you posted a link to a generator design
which appeared to be very efficient.
I think it was possibly an axial design aimed at wind energy.
I'd be most grateful if you could re-post it.
Hi, I'll see if I can recall that. I think I know what you mean. Later.

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Axial flux genny

Was it this one? It was a download so I couldn't get a link. A search for the title should show you the way.

http://www.energeticforum.com/316715-post102.html

Post #102 in this thread.

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Thank you Bistander, that was the very one.
Looks like it would serve as a useful low speed wind gen.
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Acceleration under load. The first priority must be to prove your motor is 100% efficient, if not any acceleration is just a change in overall performance.

In the context of RegenX can you understand my
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BroMikey is having difficulty with same.
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I probably should have said optimum efficiency rather than 100% efficiency.


Tests carried out on a 44 megawatt 6-pole synchronous ABB motor shortly before delivery showed an efficiency 0.25 percent greater than the 98.8 percent stipulated in the contract, resulting in the world record for electric motor efficiency.

They do know a bit about motors "out there".
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Acceleration under load. The first priority must be to prove your motor is 100% efficient, if not any acceleration is just a change in overall performance.

In the context of RegenX can you understand my
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BroMikey is having difficulty with same.
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Hi,

My observations and opinions. BM is incapable of performing a valid efficiency measurement on an electrical machine. Turion may, with assistance, but seems unwilling.

I've been after him for proof of claims for years, only to nearly get banned from this forum. Hence this thread. Some think their unsubstantiated claims are valid until proven otherwise. While logic and convention dictate that the one making the claim provides proof, it does not apply to them.

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Can't do testing when I have no machine put together. Have told you that many times. You always hear what you want to hear.

One machine is in Santa Clara at the machine shop being modified to deal with heat issues, and will be tested AGAIN at an independent lab. One machine is an early version and has NO magnetic neutralization, so is used as a coil tester only. One machine I am attempting to reconstruct, and am missing parts that were misplaced in the move. But I will get there. Couple months at most. One house remodel will be done, and I will be able to breathe again.
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I am in the same way, man.
Trying to rebuild a house that was crapped on by loving relatives.
My coil builds will have to wait until I can reverse some damage.
New floors are necessary but no one talks about it on a build now do they?
Maybe the more affluent members have it made but they donít have my life or circumstances, especially not my mentally challenged relatives.
They grew up stupid because my siblings married local.
They have a three head, not a forehead.
Bistander do you have a carefree life?
All your bills paid and no worries?
Well off financially?
Not me. I have had to think through horrible situations in civilian and military life.
I ainít never been to college like a lot of you, I just have a natural ability to build stuff.
The reason why I was invaluable on deployment.
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My observations and opinions. BM is incapable of performing a valid efficiency measurement on an electrical machine.

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Wrong again. Why should I try to prove anything to someone who read.
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Hello Pot Head,

I'm here to discuss energy: how to get it and how to use it, such that we can improve the human condition. I try hard to stay on-topic. This does not involve my personal situation or private affairs. That is none of your business and irrelevant to the subject. I feel the same way about you and others on this board. I don't care about your new floor, or relatives, or Turion's remodeling project. Let's concentrate on how better to apply science and technology to improve energetic apparatus.

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input power is 288 watts. And you are getting 195 watts per coil out.
Now you need a way to add more coils and combine the coil outputs,
as you stated.

once you are getting batteries recharged with FREE energy...

Don't just leave this in your work shop
Am I missing something here?

You said that you already extended the range of a stock motor and battery setup.

So you have free energy already, and are on the verge of
what looks to be loopable motor with virtually unlimited output.


Why plan to do nothing with it?
Hi Doogie,

What we are missing is proof. I have been perplexed for several years with Turion's threads. But recently I began to notice similarly to a few other threads. The inventor has had a functional prototype and is certain it works. For some reason, NDA, sold it, needs to keep confidential for patentability, someone stole it, lost it, has it disassembled and packed away, etc, he cannot show or demonstrate it or any data. But he is able to give away details and instructions such that other members can build it themselves. In fact he stresses the need for those people to build it. He may, or may not, participate in a simultaneous build.

I have concluded that in these cases, it is a scheme; an attempt to get others to build his "invention" in hopes they will be able to solve a problem, overcome an obstacle, get past a sticking point, which has actually prevented real success for him. Try to get somebody else to do what he can't.

Turion's generator could, if it works as he claims, provide $1000 per month of electricity with a ROI of just a few months, no or very little distribution infrastructure, no fuel, no pollution and (potentially) a long service life. It would be THE game changer for mankind and planet Earth. Yet he refuses to provide the only thing standing in the way. Proof of his claim.

No worry. He can't prove it because it does not work.

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Old 06-26-2019, 06:31 PM
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And bi, if you are saying no energy is required to move past the sticky point, which is what you APPEAR to be saying, I would argue, just for the fun of it, that the definition of work may be incorrect. It is defined as force over distance, as you said. I would argue that it is force over time. You cannot move a distance without the elapse of time. Work, however, can be done with no movement over distance. As an example, stand up against the wall of a very tall building and push as hard against that wall as you are able for several minutes. There was force, there was time, but there was NO distance. Just because the wall didn't move doesn't mean you did not do any work. I'm pretty sure after a few hours of that, you would agree that work was done. Or not.
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So you are saying no work was done in my example? No energy was expended? You wouldnít get tired? You must be Superman.
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Turion,

Let's change your example slightly. Instead of pushing against a wall, let's use holding a 25 pound concrete block 4 foot above the floor. You must hold it perfectly still in that one particular position all day. Say the boss pays you $20/hr. After 8 hrs, he gives you $160 and you're done for the day. You say you did work for those 8 hours. Right? And that work took a certain amount of energy from you leaving you more fatigued and hungry than had you not held that block for that time. However you did not move or change the position of that block.

I, and conventional physics say you did no work for those eight hours. You supplied a force of 25 pounds to the block to maintain the position but imparted no displacement. We say time doesn't matter. You say time matters but displacement does not.

You come in the next day expecting to do your job and earn a day's pay. But your boss says you're fired. He shows you the block. It is exactly in the same position in which you held it the day before. But it is resting on a 4 foot high table. The boss says the table cost $10 and he doesn't have to pay it wages. Smiles and says goodbye.

After 8 hours that table has done the same amount of work as you did the prior day. You and the boss forget about it for a while but come back 10 years later. The block is still exactly in the same position. How much work was done on the block by the table during those 10 years? How much energy was imparted to the block? ZERO. Because there was no displacement (change in distance). There was a force. 25 pounds. And there was time. 8hrs or 10yrs. Time is irrelevant to work in this case. Work = Force * displacement.

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YOUR example

Fine, we will use your example.

The man held the block in the air without moving it for 8 hours. He consumed calories. He expended energy. Just because you can replace him with a table is irrelevant. When HE was holding the block, work was done. Set the block on the back of a horse. The horse will hold up the block and expend less energy doing so than the man did. Big deal.

When a rotor magnet is locked onto a coil and the motor is turned off, that is your table example. No work is done. But when you fire up that motor and it starts using amps trying to break that magnetic lock, work is done whether there is movement or not. Maybe no “work” is done by YOUR definition or the definition used by physics. But that doesn’t make either one of you correct. Energy is consumed that must then be replaced in the battery. Try replacing that energy without doing any work. Be my guest. Or look at it THIS way. Electricity is moving through the circuit that is trying to run the motor. There’s your energy over distance. Either way, work is being done.
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Isn't the magnetic lock trivial to the rest of the operation of the unit? We know why it does it and how to fix it - it's simply a design flaw.

Sky set a base line for the motor and core of 1.5 amps at 120 volts so all that is left to do is create a coil that will produce 1.5 amps at 120 volt to achieve unity, correct? Why not focus the efforts and arguments on how this could be achieved... I'm skeptical that it can be done but am willing to entertain ideas of how to achieve it...
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... Electricity is moving through the circuit that is trying to run the motor. Thereís your energy over distance. Either way, work is being done.
And that electrical energy is converted to heat in the resistance of the winding in the motor. All of it. None is imparted to the magnet.

A similar reaction occurs in human body. Those calories are used and converted to heat. Not to energy imparted to the block.

What's the difference between you and the table. Both do the same function. Neither transfer energy to an object, just supply a force with no movement.

Your magnetic neutralization eliminates the lock. If the lock took energy, would it not show every time a magnet crossed TDC? Then why does it not show on Sky's test?

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Messing with lens.

I love the idea people have of delaying or evading Lens.
I wondered how fast you'd need to be.
A little motor has been made that does a million rpm,but how far could you go?
Take our tiny motor of say one inch diameter, the flux path could only be one centimeter.
That would be just under 30,000 MHz times by sixty to get to rpm!!
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I have said this MANY times. EVERY coil will speed up under load at the proper frequency or RPM. It is a matter of moving the rotor magnet from the point at which it begins to fill the core with with flux to top dead center BEFORE the coil becomes an electromagnet repulsing the approaching magnet.The greater the CAPACITY of the coil, the more time you have to do that and the lower the RPM where you can make that happen. That's all the specially wound coils do. They increase the capacity of the coil to work with the rotor we are using running at the rpm we can achieve with these small motors. It is not rocket science. Just simple physics. With the coils I WAS using with three strands in parallel, it was 2800 rpm. With the NEW coil I am using it has dropped to 1800 and possibly lower. Haven't tried lower. In fact, I WANT to operate at about 2800 rpm or even FASTER because the more magnets you spin past a coil in the shortest amount of time, the more you output as a generator. And my output data is based on 2800 rpm rotor speed.
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