Energetic Forum  
Facebook Twitter Google+ Pinterest LinkedIn Delicious Digg Reddit WordPress StumbleUpon Tumblr Translate Addthis Aaron Murakami YouTube 2020 ENERGY CONFERENCE - PRE-REGISTER NOW!!!!

2020 Energy Science & Technology Conference
PRE-REGISTER NOW!!!
http://energyscienceconference.com


Go Back   Energetic Forum > >
   

Renewable Energy Discussion on various alternative energy, renewable energy, & free energy technologies. Also any discussion about the environment, global warming, and other related topics are welcome here.

* NEW * BEDINI RPX BOOK & DVD SET: BEDINI RPX

Reply
 
Thread Tools
  #181  
Old 06-03-2019, 09:53 PM
gyula gyula is offline
Silver Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Posts: 820
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pot head View Post
I offer this snapshot to illustrate my dilemma.
Hi Pot heat,

I use Firefox under Windows and I can see all the pictures member soundiceuk embeds into his posts. they link to outside file hosting sites.
Maybe your web browser inhibits the outside links in the posts?

Here is a link to one of his pictures from his post #173 can you see this?

https://i38.servimg.com/u/f38/20/01/48/82/img_1611.jpg

Here is the same link in a shorter form: https://tinyurl.com/y3v252xu

Maybe the web browser you use has a very rigorous malware filter which inhibits outside links? Just guessing.

Gyula
__________________
 
Reply With Quote

Download SOLAR SECRETS by Peter Lindemann
Free - Get it now: Solar Secrets

  #182  
Old 06-04-2019, 02:34 AM
Pot head Pot head is offline
Banned
 
Join Date: Mar 2019
Location: Nunya
Posts: 350
Thank you gyula, I use iPhone.
I turn off buttons that require
spying from a third party.📡
So, if I donít see anything then
itís not open for all the public,
just certain nerds with magic computer genies.👹
Gosh, you nerds are smart.💡
Iím just a pot head.🍔
__________________
 
Reply With Quote
  #183  
Old 07-15-2019, 06:42 PM
soundiceuk's Avatar
soundiceuk soundiceuk is offline
Gold Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2011
Posts: 1,261
Hi folks, here is an update.

So much has happened since I last posted. It's going to take a few posts to bring everyone up to speed.

My understanding of the machine, its operation and principles is at its current peak!


There are many ways to build Nikola Tesla's Thermodynamic Transformer.

No matter what your required result you need vacuum for the machine to work.

I believe this can be achieved single stage using air bearings, but it will not be compatible with off the shelf alternators.

The same applies if you use a Tesla Turbine and Tesla Vacuum pump. The RPM is far too high for anything off the shelf.

If you can build custom dynamos or alternators to take advantage of this then happy days.

My aim since the last post has been to prototype a simple Tesla volute pump that can be run at a maximum of 3000rpm to enable off the shelf alternators for use at 50/60hz.

Here is the picture of Nikola Tesla's pump diagram:




Here is a pump double flow rotor which is to be used with a double flow turbine rotor.



Now to explain what double flow means.

If you look at the turbine patent diagram you will see the SOLID ARROW is rotating CLOCKWISE.

Now look above at the pump diagram and you will see the SOLID ARROW is rotating ANTI-CLOCKWISE.



This took me a while to understand but it has been confirmed with experimentation and deep reading of many patents.

When you have a centre solid disc you have a double flow rotor.

When you have all discs with exhaust ports you have a single flow rotor.

What does this mean?

This is what happens when you have a single flow rotor:



This means that when the pump is turned ANTI-CLOCKWISE a vacuum is created and it spins the turbine CLOCKWISE

IF

The turbine has the right hand valve open and the left hand valve closed.

BUT

If the turbine has the left hand valve open and the right hand valve closed the pump will brake, which happens because the turbine rotor will start spinning ANTI-CLOCKWISE.

It does this because it will make the pump suck air in from its exhaust.


When you use a double flow rotor in the turbine and the pump there is no appreciable thrust on the axles. The single flow turbine and pump suffer from side thrust and provision for taking it up should be made if using single flow rotors.

The 2 stage turbine and pump with double flow rotors both rotate the same direction and making the turbine spin the opposite direction will brake the pump.

It gets more far more interesting but here some photos of my build which was done using 4' x 4' sheet plywood.


Here is the design which we traced from the patent using Solidworks:




Here is one half of the volute casing with a polycarbonate toy single flow rotor:




Here is one half of the volute casing with a mild steel 3 disc double flow rotor:




Here is another shot of the mild steel 3 disc double flow rotor that weighs approx 40kg:




Here is my 30mm aluminium base plate to join the turbine exhaust ports to the pump inlets:




Here is the pump air channel for one port:




Here is the pump end casing:




Here are the Nachi 20mm bearings rated at 7450rpm, 658KG each




Lots more to come on this folks! This two stage machine is going to blow you away!
__________________
 
Reply With Quote
  #184  
Old 07-17-2019, 04:03 PM
ewizard's Avatar
ewizard ewizard is offline
Gold Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: Outside the Matrix
Posts: 1,118
Amazing work! That should have some real power.
__________________
There is no important work, there are only a series of moments to demonstrate your mastery and impeccability. Quote from Almine
Reply With Quote
  #185  
Old 07-17-2019, 10:10 PM
soundiceuk's Avatar
soundiceuk soundiceuk is offline
Gold Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2011
Posts: 1,261
Thank you!!!

Tesla's machine doesn't operate how any of us would expect!



It has taken some very deep research, study, meditation and many experiments to understand this.

It is now my job to explain it in layman's terms.


Piston engines are vacuum / compression explosion engines.

Nikola Tesla's machine using turbine and pump is a vacuum / decompression implosion engine.

US Patent 1,061,206 Turbine

"In order to bring out a distinctive feature, assume, in the first place, that the motive medium is admitted to the disk chamber through a port, that is a channel which it traverses with nearly uniform velocity."


Interesting word "admitted". The motive medium is allowed in!

Where does Nikola Tesla ever say to use compressed air or hot steam in his turbine patent?


The machine runs from the vacuum made from the pump creating a negative pressure and atmospheric pressure seeking lower pressure copying the wheel work of nature.

The atmospheric air enters the turbine and the vacuum causes the water vapour in the air to implode as it turns into cold steam.

This is what propels the pump, which in turn creates more vacuum.




Watch the experiment from 1:50 - 3:15




As many of you will know the Tesla turbine and pump uses the properties of adhesion and viscosity to turn the rotors.

Water is 50 times as viscous as air.

Cold steam is even more viscous!




So the machine is a two stage steam engine if used with the port and two stage steam turbine if used with the diverging nozzle.

I have a lot more information about this subject.

Try and wrap your head around this first.

Any questions I would be happy to try and answer them.

Cheers,

Paul
__________________
 

Last edited by soundiceuk; 07-18-2019 at 06:53 AM.
Reply With Quote
  #186  
Old 07-19-2019, 02:55 AM
soundiceuk's Avatar
soundiceuk soundiceuk is offline
Gold Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2011
Posts: 1,261
Here is my latest video:

__________________
 
Reply With Quote
  #187  
Old 07-20-2019, 02:57 AM
bistander bistander is online now
Gold Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2015
Posts: 1,598
Cool

Quote:
Originally Posted by soundiceuk View Post
Here is my latest video:

Very nice. How long will it run?
__________________
 
Reply With Quote
  #188  
Old 07-20-2019, 12:59 PM
soundiceuk's Avatar
soundiceuk soundiceuk is offline
Gold Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2011
Posts: 1,261
In the video I’m using my 5 axis machined acrylic casing currently running a 1/4” BSPP with 3mm straight port and a 1/2” BSPP 5% diverging nozzle.

It strangles the flow unbelievably!

I know this simply because my 3D printed casing had the same port but the 3D printing blocked the hole a bit.

I drilled the 3D printed casing port out to 4mm and the top speed was 23,000rpm

The same stainless steel 316 rotor can only do 18,000rpm using the 3mm port and exactly the same compressor.

I have the acrylic casing currently being modified on a 3 axis.

The new design has a 1” port and 1” 40% diverging nozzle.

I would have gone bigger if I could.

Atmosphere is the battery. Atmospheric pressure is the voltage, the volume of air is the current.

This pump was running two 12.5kg mild steel discs in the video.

The 1/3hp motor has 1400rpm top speed.

The flywheel freewheels for 32.5 minutes with no turbine and the flow is good.

With the turbine on top the turbine started spinning at around 800rpm.


I didn’t measure how long but ran for as I could instantly see the vacuum was strangled massively.

Currently it’s like having a resistor on the port and small negative resistor on the nozzle.

The new turbine inlet is going to be like having 0 gauge wire instead of 18 gauge and huge resistor!

The new diverging nozzle is going to create very fast flow. A huge negative resistor.


How long will it run with a metal balanced rotor and the new inlet?

I would say until you block the inlet or until the bearings break!

That’s how Tesla designed it! No planned obselence here!

This is Tesla’s Niagara Falls Mk2 !
__________________
 
Reply With Quote
  #189  
Old 07-21-2019, 06:59 AM
soundiceuk's Avatar
soundiceuk soundiceuk is offline
Gold Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2011
Posts: 1,261
Might sound a bit nuts but atmosphere is the battery. Atmospheric pressure is the voltage, the volume of air is the current.

Hence Thermodynamic Transformer
__________________
 
Reply With Quote
  #190  
Old 07-21-2019, 07:23 PM
soundiceuk's Avatar
soundiceuk soundiceuk is offline
Gold Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2011
Posts: 1,261
Where did I get the name "Thermodynamic Transformer" from?

US Patent 1,061,206 - Turbine

"In the drawings, therefore, I have illustrated only the form of apparatus designed for the thermo-dynamic conversion of energy, a field in which the applications of the principle have the greatest practical value."

"7. A thermo-dynamic converter, comprising in combination a series of rotatably mounted spaced disks with plane surfaces, an enclosing casing, inlet ports at the peripheral portion and outlet ports leading from the central portion of the same, as set forth."

"8. A thermo-dynamic converter, comprising in combination a series of rotatably mounted spaced disks with plane surfaces and having openings adjacent to their central portions, an enclosing casing, inlet ports in the peripheral portion, and outlet ports leading from the central portion of the same, as set forth."


British Patent 24,001 - Improved Method of Imparting Energy to or Deriving Energy from a Fluid and Apparatus for Use Therein

"The greatest value of this invention will be found in its use for the thermodynamic conversion of energy."


Canadian Patent 135174 - "Fluid Propulsion

"The greatest value of this invention will be found in its use for the thermo-dynamic conversion of energy."

"11. A thermo-dynamic converter comprising a shaft, a plurality of disks spaced thereon, an inlet for the motive fluid at the periphery of the disks and tangential thereto, and an outlet at the central portions of the same, as set forth."

British Patent 179,043 - Improved Process of and Apparatus for Production of High Vacua

"In the development of power by thermo-dynamic primemovers, as steam engines and turbines, a low back pressure is essential to good economy, the performance of the machine being increased from fifty to one hundred per cent. by reducing the absolute pressure in the exhaust space from fifteen to about one pound per square inch."

British Patent 186,084 - Improved Process Of And Apparatus For Deriving Motive Power From Steam

"at the same time increasing the efficiency of thermodynamic transformation."

"The hereinbefore described process of thermo-dynamic transformation of energy which consists in admitting steam to a turbine nozzle, aspirating by the suction thus created hot products of combustion through a heater, superheating the steam by them and discharging them at high velocity and in a direction parallel to the steam-jet upon the rotor, as described."

British Patent 186,083 - Improved Method of and Apparatus for the Economic Transformation of the Energy of Steam by Turbines

"The chief object of my improvements is to increase the efficiency of the existing steam power plants and thermo-dynamic transformers operated therefrom"

British Patent 174,544 - Improvements In Methods Of And Apparatus For The Generation Of Power By Elastic Fluid Turbines

"In the first place my turbine is exceedingly suited for very elevated temperatures and also high pressures, while the Parsons excels in the efficiency of the thermo-dynamic transformation at moderate temperatures and low pressures."

"1. The improved method of thermo-dynamic transformation which consists in converting a part of the heat energy of an elastic fluid by disc friction and a further part by blade action, substantially as described."
__________________
 

Last edited by soundiceuk; 07-21-2019 at 08:10 PM.
Reply With Quote
  #191  
Old 07-21-2019, 07:49 PM
soundiceuk's Avatar
soundiceuk soundiceuk is offline
Gold Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2011
Posts: 1,261
This was my Mk1 grade 5 titanium axle:



The design flaws were:

1. Thread and nut makes unsymmetrical design.
2. The washer that the discs sit against wasn't part of the axle.
3. The washer made the parallelism poor compared to solid design.
4. The axle wasn't ground it was machined on a lathe.
5. Steel poorly fitted keys


Here is my blueprinted grade 5 titanium axle:



The improvements are:

1. 100% symmetrical design.
2. 1 micron parallelism.
3. Fully ground shaft to 5 micron tolerances.
4. One piece design plus pressed washer the 0.25mm radius ground off.
5. Grade 5 titanium keys.
6. Spark eroded key ways.
7. Stronger design.
8. Designed by me and made by a company certified to work on nuclear applications.

I have two of these and I'm considering selling one to get some funds so I can build a blueprinted pump rotor that makes massive vacuum at low RPM.

I'm massively low on funds now and have exhausted my own. I think I've managed a lot considering I've been on this full time since October 2018.

Might even be able to start by hand crank then.

I am looking for investors but the tech is still open source and copyrighted.

We are all rich if we can use this tech!

I have enough money to show the next stage which I believe will be the self runner we have all been longing for, however I'm spending my rent money on the parts.

Hopefully people can help?

My PayPal is soundiceuk@yahoo.co.uk

Many thanks,

Paul
__________________
 
Reply With Quote
  #192  
Old 07-22-2019, 09:45 PM
soundiceuk's Avatar
soundiceuk soundiceuk is offline
Gold Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2011
Posts: 1,261
Here is a shot of what makes up my copy of Tesla's Mk2 rotor from British Patent 186,082



The things I've copied from the patent:

a) 13 Discs and 2 tapered end plates
b) Bevel on discs starting from tips of star washers to edge of disc
c) Double flow rotor - Centre solid disc
d) 8 tip star washers
e) Symmetrical axle design
f) Axle pressed end design
g) High grade steel
h) The exact shapes of the all parts scaled to 5" rotor traced from the patent
i) 8 port holes per disc

Here is another shot of the axle:




I am just preparing the discs to fit on the key ways on the axle. Fiddly job but looking good.

I will post some pictures when it has been assembled.
__________________
 
Reply With Quote
  #193  
Old 07-23-2019, 10:55 PM
soundiceuk's Avatar
soundiceuk soundiceuk is offline
Gold Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2011
Posts: 1,261
Okay here are a few facts.

1. The Tesla pump flywheel after being spun up by a motor creates a lower pressure at the pump inlet.

2. A Tesla turbines exhaust is bolted to the inlet of the centrifugal Tesla pump.

3. The Tesla turbine rotor is turned by the incoming draft on the turbine inlets.

4. The current surface area of the turbine exhaust ports = 2090mm2

5. The current area of the inlets combined = 28mm2

6. The pump is heavily restricited by the very small inlet area compaired to the exhaust. The result is low flow of air.

7. The top speed of the turbine rotor with 3mm port 18,000rpm.

8. The top speed of the turbine rotor with 4mm port 23,000rpm

9. Area of 3mm port 7.065mm2

10. Area of 4mm port 12.56mm2


Suggested improvement = 1" port and 1" 40% diverging nozzle.



The next part remains to be seen but it doesn't take a genius to work out that opening up the inlet of the turbine would be an upgrade.

My conclusion without seeing it happen yet is that the turbine rotor will spin very fast and feed a lot of air into the pump maintaining the pump rotors speed.

I'll show the experiment soon and then we can discuss the results.


Here is my new blueprinted hardened stainless steel 420htp rotor on a blueprinted grade 5 titanium axle. It cost £2500 but it will be worth it.

It exceeds the quality of rotor even Nikola Tesla could have built. Apparently Tesla used "German Silver" for his discs.









Tesla was also the father of dynamic balancing. Using his own analogue method.

https://teslauniverse.com/nikola-tes...-machine-parts

Using a balanced rotor the speed of the turbine will be many times higher than the pump.

When used centripetally these rotors vacuum and decompress air.

When used centrifugally these rotors vacuum and compress air.

I know this because I've done the experiments with them and witnessed it.

Here is my new inlet casing for the turbine.





This has 44 times the the flow of the previous inlet
__________________
 
Reply With Quote
  #194  
Old 07-23-2019, 11:15 PM
soundiceuk's Avatar
soundiceuk soundiceuk is offline
Gold Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2011
Posts: 1,261


The new casing features a 1" port and 1" 40% diverging nozzle.


Here is a picture of turbine inlet casing used in video:

3mm port and 1/2" 5% diverging nozzle.




44 times the flow should be a drastic change from the last video.

This is as big as I can go on this inlet.

It is possible to modify the other half of the casing with the same.

The pump can flow it for sure!

That would be 88 times the flow!
__________________
 
Reply With Quote
  #195  
Old 07-30-2019, 12:40 AM
soundiceuk's Avatar
soundiceuk soundiceuk is offline
Gold Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2011
Posts: 1,261
For those not yet skilled in the art!

Nikola Tesla's Thermodynamic Transformer Turbine & Pump v0.25.



This machine uses the turbine to cause cloud formation at transonic rotor speeds which implodes air into cold steam. Then the pump takes advantage of the 85 times viscosity to shower clean imploded rain water and cold air out of exhaust! This is air conditioning and clean water on steroids!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transonic



Coming soon Nikola Tesls's Thermodynamic Transformer v0.1 Rotary Engine & Compressor.

This machine uses the port in first stage machine and solid discs on second stage. This machine will have bags of torque and propulsion.

Also blueprinted balanced Mk2 turbine in Nikola Tesla's Thermodynamic Transformer Turbine & Pump v0.3
__________________
 
Reply With Quote
  #196  
Old 07-30-2019, 02:29 PM
soundiceuk's Avatar
soundiceuk soundiceuk is offline
Gold Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2011
Posts: 1,261
The blueprinted rotor is currently at the balancers. It is being balanced to the highest accuracy possible.

I have designed the rotor to be able to achieve 500,000rpm - 1,000,000rpm using Tesla's atmospheric air bearing design.

It would be wise to go to the Nikola Tesla museum and check out his design in person. I have a fair idea of how he did it.

Off the shelf air bearings of this size are only capable of 140,000rpm, which would certainly do for now.


To achieve transonic speed either using vacuum or compressed air we need to reach 52,000rpm using this 126mm rotor.

The air will become 85 times as viscous which I can only imagine will be similar to injecting a large amount of nitrous oxide into a performance engine.

__________________
 
Reply With Quote
  #197  
Old 08-04-2019, 06:33 PM
soundiceuk's Avatar
soundiceuk soundiceuk is offline
Gold Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2011
Posts: 1,261
I just switched out the tear shaped hole pump discs and replaced the rotor with the solid discs for Tesla's compressor.



Three ways to get more compression.

1. More discs

2. Tighter gaps

3. Spin rotor faster

This is the quietest compressor in the world!






I've also upgraded the motor stand.






I've ordered a new motor controller that adjusts the frequency and voltage rather than just the voltage. It goes up to 300hz.







I also found one that goes up to 3000hz


I'll get that one once I have a balanced pump and compressor rotor.


I'm now designing a base to mount the pump / compressor on to give the motor stand exactly the same plane to move on.

It will feature adjustable vibration feet to be able to set the level of the machine.

When the machine has two balanced rotors I don't expect any vibration. In fact it will be fairly quiet.
__________________
 
Reply With Quote
  #198  
Old 08-18-2019, 07:53 PM
soundiceuk's Avatar
soundiceuk soundiceuk is offline
Gold Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2011
Posts: 1,261
So the new motor controller wasn't powerful enough to handle the 2hp motor.

So I've ordered another one that suggests it can handle 4hp.

So I had to downgrade the motor to do another video.

The 1/3hp motor is a bit noisy as it sat on a shelf in my workshop for many years with no use.

I should get the new motor controller on Tuesday.

Here is Nikola Tesla's Thermodynamic Transformer v0.275

__________________
 
Reply With Quote
  #199  
Old 08-19-2019, 03:17 AM
alexelectric alexelectric is online now
Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2016
Posts: 65
Greetings Mr. soundiceuk you are carrying out a great project, you have the resources and capacity to do it, I congratulate you
__________________
 
Reply With Quote
  #200  
Old 08-23-2019, 09:07 AM
soundiceuk's Avatar
soundiceuk soundiceuk is offline
Gold Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2011
Posts: 1,261
Hi guys!

I just wanted to thank Aaron for the mention at the conference. That is really appreciated!

7:00 minutes in




Also I wanted to explain to you all what has been widely misunderstood about Tesla's mechanical machines.

There are two ways these machines can be started.

All engines have a speed they need to reach before they will fire.

Tesla's machines are no different.

In the early days Tesla patented the pump and turbine in 21 different countries.

8 of which it was his only patent.

20 countries had the pump and turbine combined.

The US was the only country he split the pump and turbine into 2 seperate patents.

He did this for a reason. It was to draw attention, confuse his competitors and also teach those who decided to become "skilled in the art".

Here is a paragraph from 1909 British Patent 24,001 - IMPROVED METHOD OF IMPARTING ENERGY TO OR DERIVING ENERGY FROM A FLUID AND APPARATUS FOR USE THEREIN

"Since the centrifugal head increases as the square of the revolutions, or even more rapidly, and with modern high grade steel great peripheral velocities are practicable, it is possible to attain that condition in a single stage machine, more readily if the runner be of large diameter. Obviously this problem is facilitated by compounding, as will be understood by those skilled in the art."

It has come to my understanding through experimentation that it is the pump that needs to fire before it will make enough vacuum to fire the turbine (diverging nozzle) or rotary engine (port).

The rim speed at the periphery needs to be transonic / supersonic to create the necessary vacuum -14psi / 28.5 inches of mercury.

This was Tesla's Mk1 starting mechanism and its secrets are buried within the patents and can only be realised through experimentation.




The vacuum pump was Tesla's Mk2 method and if built correctly could make this sort of vacuum well before reaching transonic / supersonic speeds.

What also isn't understood about the vacuum pump is it vacuum's the air and compresses it at the same time.


The Mk1 pump makes this high vacuum when the rotor rim speed goes transonic / supersonic. This causes supersonic explosions and sonic booms which cause the incoming air to be turned into fast moving cold steam aka cloud.

The viscosity jumps to 85 times the viscosity of air. In effect it could be likened to fast moving treacle.

Here is a paragraph from 1909 British Patent 24,001 - IMPROVED METHOD OF IMPARTING ENERGY TO OR DERIVING ENERGY FROM A FLUID AND APPARATUS FOR USE THEREIN

"In the preceding it has been assumed that the pressure of supply is constant or continuous, but it will be understood that the operation will be, essentially, the same if the pressure be fluctuating or intermittent, as that due to explosions occurring in more or less rapid succession."


All these years people have been chasing the Tesla turbine trying to find a secret that Tesla left.

The Tesla turbine needs almost frictionless bearings to see something magical.

However the REAL SECRET is in the pump!

Build a Tesla pump with tear shaped hole discs.

The discs chop the air and make it travel at 90 degrees.

Here is a paragraph from 1909 British Patent 24,001 - IMPROVED METHOD OF IMPARTING ENERGY TO OR DERIVING ENERGY FROM A FLUID AND APPARATUS FOR USE THEREIN

"The only artificial restraint I propose to place on the fluid is restraint in a direction at right angles or substantially at right angles to its direction of motion."

The tear shaped discs chop the air and then using the principles of adhesion and viscosity throw the air out of the volute.

The centrifugal pump is an old invention but it was Tesla that changed the impeller for a series of flat discs with tear shaped holes and ran it a transonic / supersonic speeds to realise it had magic properties.


Build a balanced pump rotor of any size and get the rim speed to transonic / supersonic speeds and you will discover Tesla's single stage self runner!

This is the machine that can run the turbine as either a turbine (diverging nozzle) or port (rotary engine).

The diverging nozzle allows the air to loose its speed to the rotor via adhesion and viscosity and finally impact on the star washers.

The port allows the air to decompress against the rotors centrifugal force producing torque.


All this time people have been chasing the turbine. There are literally 100's of Tesla turbine videos on youtube.

There are less than a dozen Tesla pumps on youtube.





There are some extremely talented motor builders on the Energetic Forum.

Building a motor capable of making a rotor go transonic / supersonic should be an easy task.

I have just rebuilt a 2hp 240v 2800rpm single phase motor. I removed the centrifugal switch and all related components. I am going to be running it using a VFD at 150hz to try and achieve 8400rpm.

My rotor is 31", 800mm so supersonic (Mach 1.0) = 8200rpm and transonic 5750rpm (Mach 0.7)


A 1" rotor would need 280,000rpm (Mach 1.0)

A 5" rotor would need 52,000rpm (Mach 1.0)

I've spent tens of thousands of pounds to figure this out for us all!

Please get building guys!

Don't worry about crazy tolerances and special materials, they are not necessary.

The rotor being balanced and the bearing alignment being good are far more important.

Here is a paragraph from 1909 British Patent 24,001 - IMPROVED METHOD OF IMPARTING ENERGY TO OR DERIVING ENERGY FROM A FLUID AND APPARATUS FOR USE THEREIN

"Besides these, such a prime mover possesses many other advantages, both constructive and operative. It is simple, light and compact, subject to but little wear, cheap and exceptionally easy to manufacture as small clearances and accurate milling work are not essential to good performance. In operation it is reliable, there being no valves, sliding contacts or troublesome vanes. It is almost free of windage, largely dependent of nozzle efficiency and suitable for high as well as for low fluid velocities and speeds of revolution."


All you have to do is copy the shapes directly from the pump patent and make a 5 or 6 layer sheet design and bolt that together with the pump rotor as center as possible.

Even spinning the rotor by hand will make vacuum.

Then get a flexible coupling and fast motor and spin it to transonic / supersonic speed.

The sonic booms are in a partial vacuum so will be very muffled.

Enjoy!
__________________
 

Last edited by soundiceuk; 08-23-2019 at 09:19 AM.
Reply With Quote
  #201  
Old 08-23-2019, 11:29 AM
HuntingRoss HuntingRoss is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2014
Posts: 270
in space, no one can hear you scream

Quote:
Originally Posted by soundiceuk View Post
The sonic booms are in a partial vacuum so will be very muffled.
Loving this thread. I have an interest in this tech and have built a 180mm pump to just see how it works.

So I wanted to throw this into the mix...The speed of sound is a function of the density of the medium through which it passes. In this case, as the density decreases towards a vacuum the speed of sound must tend to zero. We all remember the quote "in space, no one can hear you scream".

Good work, soundiceuk
__________________
 
Reply With Quote
  #202  
Old 08-23-2019, 02:01 PM
soundiceuk's Avatar
soundiceuk soundiceuk is offline
Gold Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2011
Posts: 1,261
Hi HuntingRoss,

Glad to hear from another builder!

You need 36,400rpm for supersonic and 25,500rpm for transonic.

If you fit a vacuum gauge to the volute you can keep an eye on the effect when the viscosity jumps 85 times that of air because the vacuum will also do the same.

You do not need a turbine attached and you can switch it off simply by blocking the inlets.

You will need the rotor balanced.

If it is wider than an inch a dynamic balance is recommended but a static balance is sufficient if less than an inch wide.

Then you need to work out how you are going to create a starter motor to fire up the machine and achieve the supersonic explosions.

When you vacuum garage shoots up to -14psi, 28.5 inches of mercury adding a turbine will make that do supersonic implosions and with a nozzle condense air into water.

With a port you have a torque monster engine.

According to my research on Tesla’s 1889 dynamo you will also have a potential difference between both axles if your pump is a different diameter to the pump.

If you have a port and nozzle the gate valve taps becoming the voltage and amperage controls and also the off switch!

Enjoy!

It would be good to see your build and I will try my best to advise.

Cheers,

Paul


PS. Here is the flywheel calculator I use for quickly calculating speeds.

343 meters per second for supersonic

240 meters per second for transonic

https://www.botlanta.org/converters/.../flywheel.html
__________________
 

Last edited by soundiceuk; 08-23-2019 at 02:05 PM.
Reply With Quote
  #203  
Old 08-23-2019, 02:08 PM
soundiceuk's Avatar
soundiceuk soundiceuk is offline
Gold Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2011
Posts: 1,261
How heavy is your rotor?

Have you got a compressor?

I have found you can achieve the speed with no starter motor and by using compressed air.

My rotor is too heavy and loose fitting for this to work. For a rotor your size this can be achieved by putting air in at a tangent to the rotor.

When I get back to a pc I can upload a video and some pictures of this.
__________________
 
Reply With Quote
Reply

Tags
teslaís, turbine, valve, air, patent, itís, magnetic, bearings, permanent, wind, nikola, hid, people, design, video, secrets, week, awesome, set, iím, code, happy, folks, building, ingredient

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off



Please consider supporting Energetic Forum with a voluntary monthly subscription.

Choose your voluntary subscription

For one-time donations, please use the below button.


All times are GMT. The time now is 12:57 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8
Copyright ©2000 - 2019, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Search Engine Optimisation provided by DragonByte SEO v1.4.0 (Pro) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2019 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.
Shoutbox provided by vBShout v6.2.8 (Lite) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2019 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.
2007-2015 Copyright - Energetic Forum - All Rights Reserved

Bedini RPX Sideband Generator

Tesla Chargers