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Old 11-29-2018, 10:15 AM
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I spotted this build a few days ago.



I left a comment saying to encase the turbine blade in a cylinder in order to get a vacuum.

Now look what he has got!



Next comes the one way air valve!

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Tesla Turbine 2018 - © Copyright 2018 - Global Open Source Project



After reading all of Tesla's final rotor design patent.

We can use a single disc with no holes.

Tesla writes that if you use an even number lets say 15 discs. The centre disc doesn't need exhaust holes.

The other 14 discs would need exhaust holes.

If the rotor has 10 discs then they would all need holes....

Makes for good balance.


I'll post the CAD files soon.

Some off the shelf components for my 150mm 3D printed or milled design.



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Old 12-03-2018, 12:33 AM
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If you want to understand the energy source we are going to tap with our Tesla turbines.

Watch the first 20 seconds of this video:

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After a little direction from me about how to make the turbine case, here we have the next build.



Anyone familiar with exhaust back pressure will have a clue what is going on here.

The turbine appears to now be able to run on atmospheric with no valve. It will self regulate according to the 1,061,206 patent.

With the valve it will need to be controlled with the air tap or it will run away!

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Hello Soundiceuk,

You seem to be saying that if you add the valvular conduits then once the turbine is running the compressed air supply can be removed and the turbine will continue to run and make power.

Is that correct?

I do not see any possibility of this so far. This video shows positive pressure at all times. At 5 psi gauge that is 5 psi above atmospheric pressure or about 19.5 psi absolute. In order for this to self run it would have to have a means of compressing ambient air to 19.5 psia or re-compressing the turbine exhaust to the same. Alternatively it would need to have a means of maintaining a 5 psig pressure drop at the turbine exhaust.

Would you care to elaborate on your method for accomplishing either of these?

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Hi Cadman, I've been a mechanic / auto electrician for 21 years.

I have done lot of exhaust back pressure testing over the years.

When the customer complains vehicle won't go over 30mph, it won't rev up.

The test that is carried out is to remove the upstream O2 sensor and insert vacuum gauge.

The results shown in the previous video show me that the gauge is reading back pressure.



Simple way to prove it.

a) fit a vacuum / pressure boost gauge
b) unhook the compressor

I'm giving tips to the youtuber on his setup.

I have already advised this.

I'm like you, waiting for the video.


Something else happened that we were not expecting.

A video is being done to show that too.

Hopefully I'll have something to show today.
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You seem to be saying that if you add the valvular conduits then once the turbine is running the compressed air supply can be removed and the turbine will continue to run and make power.

Is that correct?

After initial starting of the turbine, what I see is the device self running and self sustaining with no valve!

Also after initial starting, what I see is with the valve fitted it can run away and implode if left to cascade!

We all need to see this with our own eyes for it to be real, but it appears to me that this is within our grasp according to my research and Tesla's writings, articles, drawings and patents.
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Old 12-03-2018, 07:44 PM
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The one-way valve is just that. A one-way valve. It will do nothing to cause the turbine to run away. And although the turbine is a marvelous invention of Tesla it will not run off atmospheric pressure. It has been used now by industry for many years since they finally discovered how much more efficient it is. It also needs much less maintenance than any other turbine because it can stand some wet steam which will destroy a regular turbine. But there have never been any reports of one of them running away. They also make excellent pumps for pumping all kinds of liquids. I understand the oil industry uses a lot of them as pumps.

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If you read the articles, patents, writings, drawings and photos of after the period of Wardenclyffe and Radiant Energy, they paint a different picture to what you have written Citfta.

The Tesla turbine has been so misinterpreted it is going to take a while to undo the misunderstandings.

I am being led by evidence from Tesla, not by my own ideas.

Please allow me to present my findings and have them criticised.
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Old 12-04-2018, 06:28 PM
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I found proof in one of Tesla's patents that this turbine can run on atmospheric air.

US Patent 1,329,559

https://patents.google.com/patent/US1329559A/en

Page 3 Line 96 - 120

"Upon the subsidence of the explosion the pressure in the chamber sinks below the atmosphere owing to the pumping action of the rotor or ventilator and new air and gas is permitted to enter, cleaning the cavity and channels and making up a fresh mixture which is detonated as before, and so on, the successive impulses of the working fluid producing an almost continuous rotary effort. After a short lapse of time the chamber becomes heated to such a degree that the ignition device may be shut off without disturbing the established regime. This manner of starting the turbine involves the employment of an unduly large combustion chamber which is not commendable from the economic point of view, for not only does it entail increased heat losses but the explosions cannot be made to follow one another with such rapidity as would be desirable to insure the best valvular action. When the chamber is small an auxiliary means for starting, as compressed air, may be resorted to and a very quick succession of explosions can then be obtained. The frequency will be the greater the stronger the suction, and may, under certain conditions, reach hundreds and even thousands per second."

Also here a newspaper from The New York Herald October 15th 1911

"The Tesla Collection" - "Tesla's New Monarch Of Mechanics". NEW YORK HERALD, October 15, 1911

These are two of my many of my pieces of evidence pointing towards an almost forgotten technology that was invented just before two world wars.

The ultimate energy source can easily be seen by the first 20 seconds of this video.

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The replicator who is building to my spec (Tesla's spec) wrote this to me!

"I have no doubts we can build it to run on atmospheric air, when you first told me it took a bit but it clicked in my head. I saw it happening. I can visualize when I lucid dream, images clear as day. It takes me longer to do prototypes, because my limited situation. I wanted to tell you something that happened when I added a load, some resonance thing happened, when I was loading it down more and more it started to speed up without additional pressure, I was literally burning through hard wood faster than in the video. ALL The Sudden I heard a pop, a puff of vapor exploded out of the turbine. then another pop, then another one. You know how the air has moisture in it and the exhaust is constantly sucking in atmospheric air, IT INSTANTLY CONDENSED THE AIR INTO VAPOR CREATING A HUGE VACUUM! That,s my theory of what happened, we are so close."
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Old 12-05-2018, 09:58 PM
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"—Suppose now we reversed the operation,— continued the inventor. —You have seen the disks acting as a pump. Suppose we had water, or air under pressure, or steam under pressure, or gas under pressure, and let it run into the case in which the disks are contained—what would happen?"

"The disks would revolve and any machinery attached to the shaft would be operated—you would convert the pump into an engine,— I suggested."


"That is exactly what would happen—what does happen,— replied Dr. Tesla. —It is an engine that does all that engineers have ever dreamed of an engine doing, and more. Down at the Waterside power station of the New York Edison Company, through their courtesy, I have had a number of such engines in operation. In one of them the disks are only nine inches in diameter and the whole working part is two inches thick. With steam as the propulsive fluid it develops 110-horse power, and could do twice as much."



With air twice as much and more!
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Old 12-06-2018, 12:54 AM
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measure the mechanical work

For about $25 in materials and parts, you can measure the actual mechanical work like this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zox7EnafQmE


It will give important data. The hardest part is making the wheel with 1 foot circumference where the belt goes. Doesn't have to be 12 inches, but makes all measurements easy.



It's an old-school method, but it works.
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Cheers Aaron, that's really helpful!

The secret of the Tesla turbine is tuning the inlet and exhaust so there is full vacuum throughout the rev range.

The second secret is the US Patent 1,061,142 & 1,061,206 are actually one patent for two opposite turbines that collectively make one machine.

The 1st stage turbine (transmitter) is the US Patent 1,061,206 which takes the heat out of the air and turns it into high RPMs low torque.

The 2nd stage turbine (receiver) is the US Patent 1,061,142 which bolts its inlet onto the 1,061,206 patents exhaust.

The 1,061,142 converts cold condensed air into compressed air and turns it into low RPMS, high torque.

The two turbines work together as one machine.

Hence why the numbers start at 1 - 12 in the 1,061,142 patent.

They continue from the shared part 12 up to 28 in the 1,061,206 patent.

All you have to do is follow Tesla's blueprint!

The above videos are showing the 1,061,206 turbine but at the moment it is not following Tesla's spec.

These are our two elephants in the room at the moment.

1. The rotor needs to be changed to a disc.

2. The inlet valve needs to be changed to a diverging nozzle rather than a converging nozzle.

They are preventing full vacuum and causing lots of unwanted back pressure.

It will be interesting seeing what power it can make running from atmospheric air pressure!

According to Tesla the machine will self regulate without a valve fitted.

The back pressure is what will allow this to happen.

Adding the valvular conduit eliminates the back pressure. In fact it speeds up the incoming air.

TESLA PATENT 1,329,559 VALVULAR CONDUIT

"Observe now that the velocity is but slightly reduced in the reversal so that the incoming and deflected fluid columns meet with a relative speed, twice that of the flow, and the energy of their impact is four times greater than with a deflection of only 90į, as might be obtained with pockets such as have been employed in asymmetrical conduits for various purposes."

https://teslauniverse.com/nikola-tes...lvular-conduit
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Tesla Turbine 2018 - © Copyright 2018 - Global Open Source Project

Stage 2 Tesla Turbine





Notice the volute centre section.

The 1st stage "transmitter" converts heat to cold. High RPM low torque

The 2nd stage "receiver" converts cold to heat. Low RPM high torque
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Notice the volute centre section.

The 1st stage "transmitter" converts heat to cold. High RPM low torque

The 2nd stage "receiver" converts cold to heat. Low RPM high torque
I see a picture of a Tesla pump. So where are the 1st stage and second stages of this pump? And how can part of the pump be moving at high RPM and part of it moving at low RPM. Please explain what you mean.
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There are two turbines that make one machine.

US Patent 1,061,206 1st Stage Turbine

US Patent 1,061,142 2nd Stage Turbine

I drew a picture of this on page one.

“The Monarch of Machines”

US Patent 1,061,142 Page 1 - Line 55

“These effects in themselves, are of daily observation, but I believe I am the first to apply them in a practical and economical manner for imparting energy to or deriving it from a fluid.”
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In the 1,061,142 patent

Page 2 - Line 44

“It may be also be pointed out that such a pump can be made without openings and spokes in the runner, as by using one or more solid discs.”

“For the compression or rarefaction of air”
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Self Regulating / Self Sustaining Design



This is a modern day design of the 2 stage Tesla turbine.

US Patent 1,061,206 Page 3 - Line 117

"A self-regulating machine is thus obtained bearing a striking resemblance to a direct-current electric motor in this respect that, with great differences of impressed pressure in a wide open channel the flow of the fluid through the same is prevented by virtue of rotation".

US Patent 1,061,206 Page 3 - Line 127

"it is possible to attain that condition in a single stage machine, more readily if the runner by of large diameter. Obviously the problem is facilitated by compounding, as will be understood by those skilled in the art. Irrespective of its bearing on economy, this tendency which is, to a degree, common to motors of the above description, is of special advantage in the operation of large units, as it affords a safeguard against running away and destruction"

What Tesla is describing is the back pressure from the Turbine stops the turbine from running away.

However with the valvular conduit fitted, running away is possible.

However these machines love to do work, so give it a load and it won't run away!
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Geared to the wheel work of nature!

It was my realisation today that these turbine are "air gears" geared to the wheel work of nature.

US Patent 1,061,206 Page 2 - Line 125

"It is evident that, when transmitting power from one shaft to another by such machines, any desired ratio between the speeds of rotation may be obtained by a proper selection of the diameters of the disks, or by suitably staging the transmitter, the receiver or both. But it may be pointed out that in one respect, at least, the two machines are essentially different."
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This is a modern day design of the 2 stage Tesla turbine.

Heh, I was expecting the exact opposite of what you depicted here. I thought you would go for a compressor feeding several staged turbines with heat exchangers on a common shaft. The idea being to convert ambient heat to power.

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This design (Teslaís design) does convert ambient heat to cold and the 2nd stage converts it to heat.

The 1st stage uses centripetal and the 2nd stage centrifugal.
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This is the first video of the turbine with a solid disc.

It still needs balancing.

We also still have to change the nozzle from a converging nozzle to a diverging nozzle.

Also the 3 circular grooves, number 26 in the US Patent 1,061,206 need to be added.

This will increase the length of the path of the air and therefore increase the velocity of the air and RPM.

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2:07 "Mind you, there's not very much torque with this..."

Some questions:

Is this a single disc?
Having the air line blow off seems to suggest a lot of back pressure?
Circular grooves - these appear to be concentric so how do they increase the air path?
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Yes this is single disc.

Yes the gauge is still reading back pressure.

The bladed disc combined impact and boundary layer.

Single disc is just boundary layer.

The nozzle is to blame for the back pressure Iím sure!

The jury is out in the exact function of the 3 circular grooves.

I believe the greater air space and the path the air takes will accelerate the disc faster. More tornados going on inside the box.

It wonít be long before the changes are made to the design and we can analyse exactly what is going on.

Also have a UK builder joining us soon. They are also building to Teslaís spec.
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2:07 "Mind you, there's not very much torque with this..."
In order to get torque from a single stage machine using a true Tesla rotor you need surface area.

However, the torque is supposed to come from the axle of the 2nd stage turbine.

The most misunderstood fact about the Tesla turbine is it is the combination of the two turbines that makes the machine.

I’ve not seen one built this way apart from in photos of Tesla’s own turbines.

The quote above from Tesla states that self regulating isn’t possible with a single stage machine unless the rotor diameter is large.
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Single disc is just boundary layer.
I agree. However, there are 2 different types of boundary layer; laminar and turbulent.

Blowing air between a movable disc and a fixed casing would seem to create more turbulent eddy currents and therefore more air resistance.

I could be wrong but that's my thinking.
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Tesla references:


Fundamental Laws of Fluid Propulsion

W. T. M. Rankine 1870s


I believe the flow is closer to laminar with the solid disk than with the bladed disk.

I also believe that when the turbine gets to a certain RPM the inlet and exhaust act as a converging / diverging nozzle and the air goes from subsonic to supersonic.

Iíve seen it happen on numerous Tesla turbine videos. Itís not going to happen with this much back pressure.

So just have to match inlet now.
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