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Old 10-13-2018, 12:29 PM
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Working full scale Tesla Tower In Texas ??

Hopefully more info soon ?

https://www.kwtx.com/content/news/Sc...494839331.html

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“The Viziv surface wave systems will improve the quality of life for people everywhere by enabling the delivery of affordable electricity throughout the world,” Viziv Technologies states on its website.
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Thx to Wesley at OU.com for the info

https://overunity.com/17735/wesleys-...msg526283/#new


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Viziv Technologies

and another early article showing construction

Milford testing facility, tower seeks to send signals worldwide - News - Waxahachie Daily Light - Waxahachie, TX


seems Wesley from Stefan's forum may be doing a field trip ?

will keep posted

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PS anyBody reading here from Milford Texas area ?
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All we need to do is know the frequency... which should be a multiple of 11.772Hz and I can lower my utility bill! Since there is no way to meter it, I will definitely benefit.

BTW- that picture looks utterly faked IMHO.
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I also felt this was a fishy image
however

Thanks to a member at Stefan's forum for this [think from March ??

https://www.google.com/maps/place/32...!4d-96.9422389

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That is hopeful, I have no doubt this works. I am pretty sure you can do one wire transmission using Tesla coils on a beach (where the salt water underneath provides electrolytes). I did a test with my Tesla coils with a common ground in water, once I added salt, I was able to make my receiver light.
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Wesley feels this is a serious developement .

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vQTYaL9jCMo

another Vid showing eastern European interests and opinions
with translation
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TUdb...youtu.be&t=899

some comments here from Wesley [I believe he is actively investigating the
Milford Texas claims ]
see post 1098
here
https://overunity.com/17735/wesleys-...msg526627/#new

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NuPower Crapola

Thanks for the links RAMSET,

I found the NuPower guys on the nutty side. This is why: At 13:13, the question is what is keeping everyone from hacking into this source of energy. The reply from the NuPower guy started talking about extracting is hard... because it's subject to the same encryption, decoding that all the (RF)radio frequency is subject to. So he's talking about extracting the power will take decryption... this is RF with power.

Power and data are two different things. you can separate them, and you can make them share the same transmission, but once you are transmitting, you can tune into the magnitude, even though the data may not be discernible.

So it comes to no way to stick a meter on it again. So the business is zilch and why the greedy bastards of this world don't want to make it happen. There is no return.
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lots more from Wesley today

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More about:Viziv formerTEXZON
Be cautioned when reading material below.
It is big money powerful names, huge backup, and a lot of secrecy.
However it is American technology not Russian technology
And by that there is significant interest in this area.
Controversy is high and activity of elements in opposition is even higher.
My comment is in form of scripting and does not yet reveal my position in this area.


Viziv wireless high efficiency Power transmitting technology.

1.Viziv is the successor if TEXZON

2.Texzon Technologies, LLC Request for Part 5 Experimental License ELS File No. 0924-EX-CN-2017 https://apps.fcc.gov/els/GetAtt.html?id=202374&x

3. they use Zenneck wave propagation as means of communication with the remote of fix load ( cars , houses)

4.TEXZON TECHNOLOGIES CONFERENCE PAPER [DRAFT DATE: March 23, 2016] SURFACE WAVES *AND THE‘CRUCIAL’PROPAGATION EXPERIMENT http://vizivtechnologies.com/wp-cont...or_Corum16.pdf

5.Milford testing facility, tower seeks to send signals worldwide Milford testing facility, tower seeks to send signals worldwide - News - Waxahachie Daily Light - Waxahachie, TX

6. Significant activity of Russian trolls is seen here https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/..._object_today/

7. Address of facility from point# 7: IH-35 in Milford, Texas near Dale Acres Rd

8.location of tower look at map and picture below ( this information might be misleading occupied by Russian trolls blog)
https://www.google.com/maps/place/32...32.1492354!4d- 96.9420111

9. web site of VIZIV http://vizivtechnologies.com/news/vi...on-technology/

10.Baylor University publication about Viziv https://www.baylor.edu/research/news...y&story=202541

11. Zenneck Wave explanation https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zenneck_wave

12.Excitation and use of guided surface wave modes on lossy media Abstract: https://patents.google.com/patent/US9912031B2/en

13.Application of power multiplication to electric power distribution https://patents.google.com/patent/US7969042


https://overunity.com/17735/wesleys-...msg526668/#new

seems he is all in on this one.....


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The most relevant question is not if this works, or can be done. I am sure this is achievable. I can setup an experiment to prove it's possible, because I've done it.

The most important thing is the money. Which is the crucial cornerstone that brought Tesla Wardenclyffe down. Is this a philanthropic effort, or does someone plan to gain from this "light the world" and hold hands singing Kumbaya? If nobody makes money or doesn't smell the windfalls, it will run out of steam... It would take an evolution in humanity to make it work.

That is why the idea falls down, not the engineering... the humanity.
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An experiment sounds good

Sir
Could you Muse a bit more on what could be shown in your experiment ?

I am certain that there are plenty interested open source quite Humane engineers who
would join in ?

although

This Viziv tech seems a quite specific method/claim, not your average near field wireless Tesla demonstration ?


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Lets be clear about what I can show.

I can create Tesla circuitry that can transmit through one wire my estimate of about 1.5 Watts from an exciter circuit of about 6 Watts, and with that one wire, I have gone about 10 ft( I don't think wire length is a limit). But I also substituted the wire for natural medium and was also able to transmit the power through a bucket of water. I feel that I can spread that water out for a distance and have the same results.

The good thing is that this is all low power, and easily reproducible. My receiving load is a regular 110v G26 base @2.5 watts.

If you are interested in the specifics let me know.
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thank you for the reply

yes the wireless close range Tesla experiments could be connected some how
I believe Eric Dollard sent power across the water in SanFrancisco years back.



I am not familiar with the propagation method claimed by Viziv

it is even hard to imagine radio or ? transmission signals following the ground around the globe to a level which would allow access at any point [as Tesla claimed] even at sea [boggles my mind]

Wesley is a scientist ,with much experience in ground work [transmission] .

his input will be most interesting indeed ,and his interest [taking this serious cautiously ] adds credibility to the claim IMO.

interesting to say the least.

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I am certain he will have thoughts on this.
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Well you see how one wire and salt water is a good operational advantage.

Wardenclyffe was on Long Island (By the Sea) and the building site to the UK was incidentally by the ocean as well. When I put my exciting electrode and receiver in water, nothing... I sprinkled salt.. and voila! Over one wire or through a common medium. If you need difference in potential, to drive a load, and you are offering only one path for connection. Couldn't that other potential be interpreted as a "ground wave"?
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Thanks Ramset for this link ad info!

I have recently been approached by a very big oil/energy company that is considering funding a rebuild of a full scale Wardenclyffe tower. I can not say much more about it as it is in a very early stage and these companies move slow.... But it certainly helps if I can show that Tesla's work is being taken more and more seriously these days.
If they decide to proceed, I'll let you all know. It would be the biggest news for all Tesla fans around the world.

Also recently, a friend of mine at the Tennessee Tech University has been rewarded a grant to do similar research as you can read here.

Ok, my thoughts on the Texas Tower:
They are using Zenneck (surface) waves which is an entirely different and much more complicated system than what Tesla used. To create a standing Zenneck wave around the globe is a rather complicated thing. But I do not agree with them that building a receiver would be equally difficult. I can see some difficulty with high power levels in combination with the usually high frequencies employed in this type of system (in the 50 MHz range). But I hear them talk about very low frequencies (VLF and ELF?). That would make a receiver much simpler but at the same time rather bulky.
I suspect they are using a HF Zenneck wave, upon which they amplitude modulate a low frequency signal.
It could help if we could find some of their patents, if they are already publicly available, that would reduce the speculation.

Anyway, I am pretty sure from what I heard that this is not the system Tesla envisioned and which has very little to do with Zenneck, as I tried to explain here and of which I demo a very crude version here.


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Old 11-11-2018, 08:46 AM
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Thanks for your input ,greatly appreciated

Wesley is digging into this and others are forwarding info

just one link here

https://www.zenneckpower.com/

more to come....\\

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literature to dig at:
Sommerfeld, Arnold, "Uber die Ausbreitung der Wellen in der Drahtlosen Telegraphie" (Tr. The Propagation of Waves in Wireless Telegraphy), Ann. Physik [4] 28, 665 (1909); 62, 95 (1920); 81, 1135 (1926).

Zenneck, Jonathan, "Über die Fortpflanzung ebener elektromagnetischer Wellen längs einer ebenen Leiterfläche und ihre Beziehung zur drahtlosen Telegraphie" (Tr. "About the propagation of electromagnetic plane waves along a conductor plane and their relationship to wireless telegraphy"), Ann. Physik [4] 23, 846 (1907).

Goubau, G., "Über die Zennecksche Bodenwelle," (Tr. On the Zenneck Surface Wave), Zeitschrift für Angewandte Physik, Vol. 3, 1951, Nrs. 3/4, pp. 103-107.

Barlow, H.; Brown, J. (1962). "II Conditions for the Support of Surface Waves at an Interface Between Two Different Homogeneous Media". Radio Surface Waves. London: Oxford University Press. pp. 10–12.

Collin, R.E. (2004). "Hertzian Dipole Radiating Over a Lossy Earth or Sea: Some Early and Late 20th Century Controversies," IEEE Antennas and Propagation Magazine, vol. 46, No. 2, April 2004, pp. 64-79. "There is no sign error . . . The famous 'sign error' is a myth."

Corum, K.L., M.W. Miller, and J.F. Corum, "Surface Waves and the 'Crucial' Propagation Experiment," Proceedings of the Texas Symposium on Wireless & Microwave Circuits & Systems, IEEE Microwave Theory and Techniques Society, Baylor University, Waco, Texas, March 31-April 1, 2016.

Corum, K.L. and J.F. Corum, “Bell Labs and the ‘Crucial’ 1936 Seneca Lake Experiment.” (Published in Nikola Tesla’s Electricity Unplugged as “Bell Labs and the Radio Surface Wave Propagation Experiment,” Thomas Valone, Ed., Adventures Unlimited Press, 2016.) "Any source that can synthesize fields incident at this complex angle will launch a Zenneck wave."

Barlow, H.; Brown, J. (1962). Radio Surface Waves. London: Oxford University Press. pp. v, vii.

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and here is how it looks

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YhjHzdDYRXA

thx to Gotoluc for forwarding ....
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More from Wesley and Ivan [speedy25]

Quote Speedy 25
Hi Wesley!


Surface waves-general knowledge :

1. https://cosmolearning.org/video-lect...rface-waves-2/
1a. same but in PDF http://emlab.utep.edu/ee5390em21/Lec...ce%20waves.pdf

Review of Electromagnetic Surface
Waves: 1960 Through 1987 (Naval Weapons Centar) http://www.dtic.mil/dtic/tr/fulltext/u2/a197278.pdf

Isolation of the Zenneck Surface Wave: http://www.ee.ucl.ac.uk/lcs/previous...11/LCS1137.pdf
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Ivan thank you very much I did not sort out your links as I'm not at home
for sometime and somewhere ... trolls should not know it.
You are great man from the country of Nikola Tesla
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Update:Wesley quote
WOW:......
and again... wow

From the perspective of you the readers and viewers this is easy language
and it saves me many hours of creating additional video introducing phenomena
of interest.

I'm dealing not only with you but with some of very fundamental big brains
having science on daily breakfast as somehow typical meal.

The problem I have with some of them is that Zenneck Waves in did, have not been seen by anyone who has freedom to talk about it.
That is why for many of them , Zenneck Waves are theoretical.
So there is a need for most of you to know and understand what is surface wave
This video starts from certain point of interest
https://youtu.be/wIIABIU3tRw?t=541
For these who are into understanding surface wave please watch this video from the beginning.


Mechanism of forbidden knowledge :
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forbidden_knowledge

Works both ways
1. creates rapid and collective need , in direction of understanding and explanation.
2. makes sometime questionable assumptions , fueling both these pro and the against it. ( whatever that "it" is) .
And the primary question ask is
Why?
-Why do they build this Tesla like Tower?
-Why it is so secret with so much security around it?
-What is going to happened when it works and how it works?
-Will my father lose his job as wires are no longer needed?
-Will the cars and ships be able to be energy supplied and battery charged as they are in motion?
-Will it make us to pay less?
-Is there any way to crack it and get some of it for less or for free/( human nature)?

Wesley

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corrected link:
http://www.dtic.mil/dtic/tr/fulltext/u2/a197278.pdf

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Barlow and Brown define a surface wave as
"...one that propagates along an interface between two different media without radiation,
such radiation being construed to mean energy converted from the surface-wave field to some other form (Reference 7)."

Since this definition covers a lot of territory, one of the major problems
with the surface-wave literature is
the proliferation of different names for what is essentially the same physical phenomenon (References 2 and 8 )

These waves:
-Zenneck,
-Norton,
-Sommerfeld-Goubau,
-inhomogeneous, -
radial,
-axial,
-azimuthal,
-lateral,
-creeping,
etc.-are all (at least in some sense) a type of or associated with a type of surface wave.

Throughout this report we will try to clarify all such terms and use them correctly
in association with the appropriate physical geometry or guiding process


From the quote of article (link above)
we see that:

1. Viziv used Zenneck Wave as one of the names.
2. that may be intentional as:
a- there is little to none publicly available literature about it.
b.-There is estimated half of a billion dollars at stake from the investors.
c.- investors must contribute and do not understand to much
d.- public must do not interfere and do not understand to much

2. form of phenomena in question can be ironically simple but just in some part of it
matching one basket of all of mentioned names for Zenneck waves

3. Viziv might not have patent rights to any of these waveforms so how they can protect their investment?

By means of scrambling access to the receiver that must match the same algorithm
to gain access to energy that is already converted to Zenneck wave or any other name they hide it at.
By simple words:
You have Viziv transmitter and the receiver is like your satellite dish.
The satellite signal is out. All you need is to access it. and that is what you are paying for
- the code.
But if you just couple straight right into the Zenneck Wave or whatever name you give to it they going to go bankrupt.
But if you use your own energy from your own water mill and use Zenneck Wave as means of transportation than you can sale it to your neighbors
or power your own electric car in withing boundaries of your own area of coverage. ( city , county, state)


Picture :
Red rectangle: explains controversy about different names associated with Zenneck Wave
Blue rectangle: explains simple conditions needed for Zenneck Wave and its associated other names for the same, to exist.

At the bottom of the page #4 please look at propagation phenomena and types of waves:
-Transverse electric
-Transverse magnetic TM
Transverse magneticTM is the wave that is mentioned in :
https://s3.amazonaws.com/texzon/Texz...Corum_2016.pdf
by Viziv.
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File Type: jpg surface waves aka Zeneck waves.jpg (209.6 KB, 3 views)
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some MEAT on the Viziv history from Wesley

https://agupubs.onlinelibrary.wiley....S013i006p00969


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Excitation of the Zenneck wave is examined for both finite and infinit vertical apertures over a homogeneous conducting flat ground.
The infinit vertical aperture with a Zenneck wave variation is found to excite only the Zenneck wave with NO radiation field.The finite vertical aperture excites a field which is similar to the Zenneck wave near the aperture but resembles the usual ground wave at large distances.
Numerical results for various aperture heights are given for frequencies of 1 and 10 MHz. Both homogeneous ground and sea water paths are considered

.
From that we know that vertical apertures over a homogeneous conducting flat ground. -Are the one responsible for phenomena known as Zenneck wave with NO radiation field
http://nedyn.com/Goubau_1951-X.pdf is original uncut German article in English translated by James F. Corum, Ph.D.
CPG Technologies, LLC
February 17, 2015
-we need to remember that this article was translated by the same Corum that is involved in Viziv. So this is the evidence of logical path of the guy who was originator of all of it. He than attracted to the idea big guys with big money.
What we do here is fallowing his steps to collect all of pieces of puzzle. We may call it also stepping on his thoes

Wesley

EDIT to fix translation link

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