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Old 07-08-2018, 03:31 AM
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Balancing Negative with Positive Resistance

I want to thank Matthew Jones outright for helping to make this new thread possible by putting me in my place. I don't belong with the big boys. I prefer, instead, to play with my toys.

Thanks, also, goes to Dave Bowling's 3 Battery Generator thread, here, and his other thread: David Bowling's Continuous Charging Device.

I'm moving my prior posts to here.
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Smile The 3rd battery has become a good battery in series with a capacitor plus ...

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What I was asking is if the size of the motor and the 3rd battery size has any influence on the operation of the unit.
I was wondering if the 3rd battery was function in some manner like a capacitor.
Just curious what the secret to battery 3 is.
I may try this with a smaller setup as I don't have room for a larger one.
.... negative resistance while both are immersed in an A/C circuit emanating from the forward and backward EMFs of the motor. The negative resistance would have been positive resistance had the third battery not been turned around.

Normally, we merely think of negative resistance as a misnomer for reciprocal resistance in which Ohms Law becomes Mho's Law, or Siemens. But a negative sign value of resistance will also produce similar results provided that it sits alongside a capacitor and a battery and both reciprocal and negative resistances do not occur at the same time.

I will speculate further that putting a load on the motor increases its function as a generator via an increase in its back EMF.

Circuit Simulator Applet ported to JavaScript by Iain Sharp, from the original in Java by Paul Falstad, Used Here to Promote the Simulation of Surges Arising from the Judicious Use of Negative Resistance.

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Required Ground of Zero may be true in LTSpice and others...

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That's a conversation Matt and I have had many times. the laws of physics that apply to electricity ONLY apply to systems where ground equals -0-.

The electrical circuit simulators you can find on the internet DO NOT ALLOW the ground of 12 volts, because the MATH used in current electrical theory can't account for it. The powers that be can't handle it, so they sweep it under the rug and ignore it. Some things that are just flat OUTSIDE current electrical theory.

And when you live outside the box, amazing things happen.
... but may not be the case in Paul Falstad's electronic simulator? I don't know... I get such good results with his simulator.
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Thumbs up Lamp Load across Motor

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.... negative resistance while both are immersed in an A/C circuit emanating from the forward and backward EMFs of the motor. The negative resistance would have been positive resistance had the third battery not been turned around.

Normally, we merely think of negative resistance as a misnomer for reciprocal resistance in which Ohms Law becomes Mho's Law, or Siemens. But a negative sign value of resistance will also produce similar results provided that it sits alongside a capacitor and a battery and both reciprocal and negative resistances do not occur at the same time.

I will speculate further that putting a load on the motor increases its function as a generator via an increase in its back EMF.

Circuit Simulator Applet ported to JavaScript by Iain Sharp, from the original in Java by Paul Falstad, Used Here to Promote the Simulation of Surges Arising from the Judicious Use of Negative Resistance.

h t t p : / / i s . g d / d e a d b a t t e r y

Adding a lamp can be quite a jolt of accelerated escalation, a surge -- if you will.

http://is.gd/deadbatterywithlamp

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Thanks, to all of you -- and especially to Dave Bowling, for giving me this opportunity to simulate something different and unique.
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Lightbulb A capacitor plus Aaron Murakami's plasma arc substitutes for the #3 dead battery.

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With a standard motor your looking at about 2 uh per coil. With the modified motor you have close to 7uh per coil.

The simulator works but it does not calculate anything. The only reason it pops the infinite matrix is because of the 2, 12 volt Power Supply back to back. If you replace that with 1, 24 volt and edit the lamp the lamp lights up but the measurements are worthless. Falstad has always done this. The arrangement has no impedance as you would have in a battery.
You can add resistance but that does not curve the way a battery would, and adding a negative resistor is just tricking the math into a gain.

Even running you have just modeled a hot to hot short, without any variables from reality.
Thanks for the criticism, but I don't operate that way. I operate on inspiration and inner guidance. So long as I keep a progressively flexible outlook, it turns out alright. To wit...

The negative resistor is simulating Aaron Murakami's plasma arc. The dead battery is useless as a battery, but makes a great paper weight and a novel form of capacitance.

Capacitance turns this otherwise D/C circuit into an A/C circuit incapable of draining the good batteries #1 & #2. This may not concur with your experience and may not be true to Dave Bowling's original idea, but that's because I am delivering to you a possible alternative in the form of a Thevenin equivalence that will not turn dead battery #3 into a good battery, but instead keep it as it is: continually dead by not being in the circuit in the first place. This is where I digress from your experience.

Several people, here, have been asking for a repeatable equivalent circuit to replace the dead battery's temporal existence. Well, here it is ...


Circuit Simulator Applet ported to JavaScript by Iain Sharp, from the original in Java by Paul Falstad, Used Here to Promote the Simulation of Surges Arising from the Judicious Use of Negative Resistance.

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This simulation is imperfect since I failed to eliminate batteries #2 & #3 to simplify the circuit without interfering with the browser's ability to host this JavaScripted simulator without freezing up. This may hint at a possible impossibility at simplification? I don't know. But that's usually the case whenever the simulator can't compute the outcome. It usually means that it can't be done that way.

A shortcut redirecting to page one of this message thread is ...

3 Battery Generating System - Energetic Forum

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BTW, the blending of A/C with D/C is an old Tesla idea ...

http://is.gd/acplusdc

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Red face I hope nobody considers this to be an intrusion since it is a bit offbeat ....

... yet inspired to attempt a simulation of this since my conscience forbids me from building anything until it requires me to. So, here I go again ....

I was reading through the pages of this thread and came to the part where Dave mentions his wanting to try out a larger motor of around 110 volts. That actually works better in my simulations than does 7 micro Henrys. So, I made a new circuit that simulates a 1.8H set of six coils paired in three sets of counter-wound pairings intended to neutralize their beat frequencies if each pair is wrapped on the same coil -- one of three coils on a three phase induction motor since my simulations have all been askew of Dave's original concept which is a D/C system with possible hints of A/C overtones if I'm not mistaken. This simulation works better as an all out A/C system powered by a D/C voltage source.

Then I was able to simplify the batteries to merely one representing a battery pack of 220 volts composed of five 44 volt modules similar to what Sangulani Maxwell Chikumbutso says he uses in his EV conversions which puts out half a mega watt. So, I enlarged the non-electrolytic capacitor to 18kF to raise the amperage to accommodate that wattage requiring 4.5k amps. Then, I reduced the negative resistance, represented -possibly- by Aaron Murakami's plasma arc, to -1nΩ which has the property of gradually increasing overall power at a rate which may be adequate to offset thermodynamic losses in the entire system. Any other rate of losses greater than this trivial offset simply demands a slightly higher absolute value on this negatively resistant plasma arc.

Circuit Simulator Applet ported to JavaScript by Iain Sharp, from the original in Java by Paul Falstad, Used Here to Promote the Simulation of Surges Arising from the Judicious Use of Negative Resistance.

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Sterling Allan of PesWiki interviewing Dave Bowling back in 2008...

https://web.archive.org/web/20160817...ousCharger.mp3

Two photos of one of Dave's setups...

https://web.archive.org/web/20160826...side1_full.jpg

https://web.archive.org/web/20160826...side2_full.jpg

These three files were mentioned, and dead-linked to, from this page...

https://peswiki.com/directory:david-...harging-device

My archive ...

http://vinyasi.info/circuitjs1/texts/Dave%20Bowling/
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Wink Whew! Now that's done. On with the show and tell...

Did some more tinkering with the simulations. Made some improvements using this link as a reference to speculate what are the limits to passing current through a battery ...

Frequently asked questions about car batteries, how much does a car battery weigh, what is the car battery voltage, can car batteries freeze, can one battery charge another, car battery discharge?

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Circuit Simulator Applet ported to JavaScript by Iain Sharp, from the original in Java by Paul Falstad, Used Here to Promote the Simulation of Surges Arising from the Judicious Use of Negative Resistance.

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Circuit Simulator Applet ported to JavaScript by Iain Sharp, from the original in Java by Paul Falstad, Used Here to Promote the Simulation of Surges Arising from the Judicious Use of Negative Resistance.

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Circuit Simulator Applet ported to JavaScript by Iain Sharp, from the original in Java by Paul Falstad, Used Here to Promote the Simulation of Surges Arising from the Judicious Use of Negative Resistance.

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The third attachment is patterned off of Sangulani Maxwell Chikumbutso's data and concurs with the limit of what a battery can tolerate. The first attachment is Tesla Motor's current through their A/C motor. The second is the lowest value of current I could take these simulations to.
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