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Old 06-04-2018, 07:38 AM
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Possible connection diagram for Tesla coils to assist generator
armature reaction instead of the low efficiency 1890's winding

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Here's some basic info for you all. I have said this MANY times. EVERY COIL will speed up under load at the correct frequency. If it doesn't speed up under load, the RPM isn't high enough, or one of the other variables I have talked about is out of whack.

If I am not mistaken, Wantomake has a coil on his machine that has 2400 feet of #23 wire on it. He is using the same size rotor as I am with the same size magnets, the same number of magnets on the rotor and spaced the same distance apart.

He was able to achieve SUUL (speed up under load) at about 2,000 rpm according to my memory (which isn't that great, but he can verify.)

So our setup is the same EXCEPT for our coils. My coil, which is the same bobbin as his, with the same core and the same 2400 feet of #23 wire on it requires 2,800 rpm to achieve SUUL. Why does my coil require 800 rpm MORE? Is he better looking than me? Is he cheating?

My coil has 3 strands each 800 feet long. His coil has 12 strands each 200 feet long with 3 groups of four wires. The four wires within the group are connected in series. Wires in parallel connected in series (as Tesla states) give you more capacitance, and lower the frequency (or rpm) needed to achieve SUUL.

From the outside both coils appear to have 3 wires in parallel coming off them, but the reality is much different, as are the results.

Could his coil achieve SUUL at an even LOWER rpm? Certainly. Wire two groups of six strands in series, or better yet, wire all 12 strands in series.

But remember, the LONGER the wire, the more voltage. The more wires in parallel, the more AMPS. It is all about coil design and what you are trying to achieve.

I told Wantomake to use 12 strands because 12 is divisible by 1,2,3,4 and12. That gives you FIVE possible combinations of wires in series and parallel to experiment with.

24 strands gives you one more option since it is also divisible by 8. (5 total options)
30 is divisible by 5, 10, and 15, but not by 8 or 12 (7 total options)

More than that, the number of strands is almost unworkable unless you have a pro coil winding machine. But you get the idea. You WANT options. I thought 12 strands was a good number for people to experiment with, and if you have to put all the strands in series to get SUUL, at least you can DO it.

If you start with 12 strands in series on a bobbin with 2400 feet of #23, and it does not speed up under load, you have a problem. Your motor is just too SLOW. Once you have seen SUUL, you can start reducing the length of the strands by running more strands in parallel.

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Old 06-05-2018, 05:12 AM
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Preliminary run down of conventional laws VS new reactions from
parallel wound coils connected in series. These copies are instructables
to download and print for study. The company who freely gave out this
comprehensive board talk did not charge for it. Thane is a teacher of
electronics and this is his perspective on the subject of Tesla style
coils as electromagnets patented at the turn of the 19th century 100
plus years ago.

Many other inventors have now caught on this this idea in the past
10 years and each of them have a different viewpoint than Thane Heins
does. We welcome any comparable board talks to add so that young
men and women who want to build in the future have something to work

Lenz law and conservation of energy laws are the basics that come
with any typical 8th grade science class. This talk is only for beginners
who would like to understand the concepts involved.

I will probably do a board talk repeat of this material in the future
because I teach my young son science in his home school classroom.

I have reviewed the information time and time again and am not
sure if I could do as good of a job so please if you are a teacher
and understand these basic principles feel free to add in your board
talk to further this investigation.







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Old 06-05-2018, 06:52 AM
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Here is my first of one such coil pulled from the thread
"SPLITTING THE POSITIVE" this one has 24 strands wound
in parallel with each strand at 170 feet long. Then these
winding are connected in many different patterns to do

She is a whopper weighting in at 60oz with iron transformer
core laminates out of a microwave oven.

Happy Trails, it sure is lonely at the top, you could here a pin drop.

The information here is free and is not hidden so you are not confused

Below is a cartoon of how a legal patent is set up to display facts.

You can rest assured of success thanks to key players such as Turion
and company and many others who offered data to further these


100 years of picking thru patents someone finally got it.

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Old 06-06-2018, 03:54 AM
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