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Old 05-27-2018, 03:22 PM
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Smile Altrez's PM's Splitting the Positive Replication.

Hello All,

I have started this thread in hopes to replicate Poor Man's Splitting the Positive Battery Swapper by RS Stafford.

The video and presentation is available on this website and it is a steal at the current price. Here is the link:

Poor Man's Splitting the Positive Battery Swapper by RS Stafford

First question I have is can someone else with a copy of PMSTP share if they have started on a replication? I am working on getting a parts list together and plan to start placing orders in the next few days.



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I have went back and watched the video a few times and have started to make a bit more sense out of it. One thing I am a bit confused on is the amount of battery's.

I think its 4 6 volt golf cart battery's per each bank. Each battery in the 230AH range.

That's not really cheap if buying all new battery's. I am still studying. If anyone has any idea if that correct could you let me know

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Batteries

Four batteries are all that is required. Take a look at the attached drawing.

You would place a fully charged battery in position B. It would then move to position A. It would then move to position C. Finally it would move to position D which is NOT SHOWN. Position D is the rest position. Positions A and B discharge the battery. Position C charges it. Once it is charged it moves to position D to REST so that all the charge can be absorbed before it moves back to position B to start the discharge cycle all over again. You only need the switching for the four positions. If you are using 6 volt golf cart batteries, then you will have TWO batteries in series at EACH of the positions shown, (plus the resting position not shown) for a total of eight batteries. So if you want run six volt loads you only need FOUR batteries, but if you want to run 12 volt loads you need eight batteries.
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Four batteries are all that is required. Take a look at the attached drawing.

You would place a fully charged battery in position B. It would then move to position A. It would then move to position C. Finally it would move to position D which is NOT SHOWN. Position D is the rest position. Positions A and B discharge the battery. Position C charges it. Once it is charged it moves to position D to REST so that all the charge can be absorbed before it moves back to position B to start the discharge cycle all over again. You only need the switching for the four positions. If you are using 6 volt golf cart batteries, then you will have TWO batteries in series at EACH of the positions shown, (plus the resting position not shown) for a total of eight batteries. So if you want run six volt loads you only need FOUR batteries, but if you want to run 12 volt loads you need eight batteries.
Hi Dave,

Thanks for posting, I have replicated the 3 battery system at least 40 different times I know how that version works if you look back at all my posts you will see what I am saying.

I made this thread to replicate Mr Staffords setup.

Poor Man's Splitting the Positive Battery Swapper by RS Stafford

I have almost figured the first part out. I am just not sure if you need twenty four 6 volt battery's or twelve 12 volt battery's to start with.



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Update:

I have made some progress on the layout of the build.

Has anyone used these battery's?

https://smile.amazon.com/dp/B01KN6QUW2/ref=emc_b_5_i

I am thinking they would work pretty good but would love some feedback

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I have made some progress on the layout of the build.

Has anyone used these battery's?

https://smile.amazon.com/dp/B01KN6QUW2/ref=emc_b_5_i

I am thinking they would work pretty good but would love some feedback

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I believe most people who have had any substantial success with this project would recommend you get flooded cell lead acid batteries if you can.
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Good advise

That would be my advise also.

In my case the deep cycles are LAB (lead acid battery) for the solar power that runs my shop plus a DC power supple for the 3BGS setup. Again in my case the long term goal is to keep a solar bank of batteries charged with the 3BGS setup.

Sorry I've no scientific reason for the LAB. I'll leave that in more capable minds. Just to add I also tried gel filled batteries in the beginning but had little results.

Coffee is cold so time for some nukification. Microwaving my coffee.
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Thank you for the suggestions. I am however a bit worried about using LAB as I do not have a good way to vent them in my current office that I do experiments in.

Wanttomake,

Can you please provide a bit more info about your use of gel's? I looked at some of these:

https://smile.amazon.com/Renogy-RNG-...GHVCYPXE5W0CT5

And on the LAB I looked at this option:

https://smile.amazon.com/dp/B00NY0RG...6-fd49c2c21015

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06/11/2018:

I have found a local place to source my battery's from a lot cheaper then I can order them. I also have purchased some parts to help with the build. My small 3 battery setup keeps surprising me each day.

With the right load I feel you can get close to 99% efficiency on the setup. I have found that over time most bad battery's will come back to life and I find that very interesting.

I am excited about getting the swapper up and working over the next few months I feel like it will show some great results.

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Glad to see someone is getting results that are near COP1
There is a bunch of conflicting information due to 10-20 setups
that are possible. Whether rotating manual, swapper, a wide variations
using boosters 2,3,4 of them and or generators. Generators can be
many types so conflicting at best will be the status quo.

In the practical application of the 3 battery mod pulse motor pulling
a real generator head you will get anywhere from 100% down to 80%
recovery of recycled power on the 3 battery side. The generator
is another subject and effect the 3 battery motor efficiency depending
and now comes the conflict of who did what.

Sounds like you are having fun, that is the main thing plus you
are successful. Hats off to you.
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Glad to see someone is getting results that are near COP1
There is a bunch of conflicting information due to 10-20 setups
that are possible. Whether rotating manual, swapper, a wide variations
using boosters 2,3,4 of them and or generators. Generators can be
many types so conflicting at best will be the status quo.

In the practical application of the 3 battery mod pulse motor pulling
a real generator head you will get anywhere from 100% down to 80%
recovery of recycled power on the 3 battery side. The generator
is another subject and effect the 3 battery motor efficiency depending
and now comes the conflict of who did what.

Sounds like you are having fun, that is the main thing plus you
are successful. Hats off to you.
Hello BroMikey,

Yes I am having fun and have been working with this setup for a long time. It works, and I can replicate it over and over again. I am interested in the swapper so I am focusing on that replication.



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Hello BroMikey,

Yes I am having fun and have been working with this setup for a long time. It works, and I can replicate it over and over again. I am interested in the swapper so I am focusing on that replication.



-Altrez
If what you have stated is true, your replication destroys all of the
Govt controlled University curriculum that says it can't be done.
You are making history move over. Nice going, show us someday if
you want.

Thanks and Kind regards.
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If what you have stated is true, your replication destroys all of the
Govt controlled University curriculum that says it can't be done.
You are making history move over. Nice going, show us someday if
you want.

Thanks and Kind regards.
I want to be clear on one thing. I have never went over 100% so all the normal laws still apply I am hopping that if I move into the swap method I will get a big surprise!

So much more to understand!



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I want to be clear on one thing. I have never went over 100% so all the normal laws still apply I am hopping that if I move into the swap method I will get a big surprise!

So much more to understand!



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Glad you cleared that up but it was my understanding that all current
school models show recovery of losses somewhere around 70-90 percent
if that. Anyone getting 99% is just not possible according to the text
books. John Bedini has shown a 100% recovery and even more for
the SSG so hearing that someone is close to that figure is something
that shows you are operating in a new laws.

The normal laws conclude that pulse motor only operate with a 85%
efficiency. If that.

Maybe you are at 90%? But I think you have stated more. Either way
the meters can give you a false reading sometimes, keep trying.

My batteries were low on my meter and it showed that I was 200%.

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To paraphrase Dr Emmitt Brown from Back to the Future:

Laws? Laws? Where weíre going we donít need any laws!

Or Garcia in Bkazing Saddles:

Laws? We donít need no stinking laws.

(Actually Mickey Dolenz of the Monkeys should be credited with that last quote, as he said it first, and others before him in Treasure of the Sierra Madres. Just shows you what I do in my spare time)

Read Maxwellís original equations

Perhaps a subject that deserves its own thread.
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Good thought Turion

Who's laws? All made up bull hunky in many cases to keep us
inside of this little box of energy created and destroyed thing,
like a tiny yoyo. Just make something up, throw a yoyo out there
and watch all the heads go up and down.

I know people have a way of speaking about shattering models
like John Bedini was the only guy who came out with a test for us
stool pigeon's to try, what was it 40yrs ago? Yeah about that and a
person could do COP of 1. That breaks all the school records.

Of course the technology for flying craft as large as a high rise
building became understood by military science in the 1950's so
yeah let's go back to the future I mean past and look at that.

All of this stuff we do by comparison is like a toy yoyo if we could
see how many advancements have been made since then. Floating
cities being levitated effortlessly using small power sources that
uses field interactions that are fairly simple.

Like you have said it is just that we have been taught wrong by
our schools. Anyway I know of no other human on earth to date
that did what John B. did. He showed us a COP 1 device 40 years
with many able to replicate it.

Differential charging is an interesting strategy for recirculating
juice. John's video's had a version that used a 24 volt run and a
12v charge bank so it is not like this is a new subject.

But try to get anyone to validate a COP 1. All the video's relating to
possible COP1 all have question marks after the titles?????????????

John said for 40 years that yup it is COP 1 and the students hear
teacher say it isn't so teacher must be right. 40 years of indecision

Altrez is smart to start splitting the positive like Peter L. has shown us
furthering John's work. Thanks Pete.

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Hello All,

I have started this thread in hopes to replicate Poor Man's Splitting the Positive Battery Swapper by RS Stafford.

The video and presentation is available on this website and it is a steal at the current price. Here is the link:

Poor Man's Splitting the Positive Battery Swapper by RS Stafford

First question I have is can someone else with a copy of PMSTP share if they have started on a replication? I am working on getting a parts list together and plan to start placing orders in the next few days.



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May I call you Al,
I did purchase the Poor man's battery swapper kit. Watched, studied took notes etc.

Really enjoyed the presentation he does. I believe anyone can build exact replication from that kit they sell. That said I'd rather have the Arduino switching setup attached to the 3BGS.

I bought the basic arduino board, 8 relays board, wires, and studied my brains out. My project financier even purchased a new lonovo laptop just for this setup.

I got the Arduino/relay board to cycle on/off a LED. But that's as far as I got.
The programming is what stopped me. Very time oriented. There are others here that can help with this part on Arduino. I'm not there yet.

My list of priorities:
Get 3BGS setup to balance. Check.
Build large upright Dave type generator. Working on it.
Construct larger solar banks to use on system. Later.
Build heavy duty Arduino relay swapper for above system. Last.

My advice is you go to hardware store get the basic swapper like mentioned in the presentation. Build it, watch it, learn all the amazing proof of concept, then improve the setup.

Convincing your own mind is most important part of the 3BGS.

Coffee rulz this morning. Time to move the molecules faster. Nuke time.
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To paraphrase Dr Emmitt Brown from Back to the Future:

Laws? Laws? Where weíre going we donít need any laws!

Or Garcia in Bkazing Saddles:

Laws? We donít need no stinking laws.

(Actually Mickey Dolenz of the Monkeys should be credited with that last quote, as he said it first, and others before him in Treasure of the Sierra Madres. Just shows you what I do in my spare time)

Read Maxwellís original equations

Perhaps a subject that deserves its own thread.


Great movies. I have read Maxwell not going to say that I understand it but I do think it would be a great thread.



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May I call you Al,
I did purchase the Poor man's battery swapper kit. Watched, studied took notes etc.

Really enjoyed the presentation he does. I believe anyone can build exact replication from that kit they sell. That said I'd rather have the Arduino switching setup attached to the 3BGS.

I bought the basic arduino board, 8 relays board, wires, and studied my brains out. My project financier even purchased a new lonovo laptop just for this setup.

I got the Arduino/relay board to cycle on/off a LED. But that's as far as I got.
The programming is what stopped me. Very time oriented. There are others here that can help with this part on Arduino. I'm not there yet.

My list of priorities:
Get 3BGS setup to balance. Check.
Build large upright Dave type generator. Working on it.
Construct larger solar banks to use on system. Later.
Build heavy duty Arduino relay swapper for above system. Last.

My advice is you go to hardware store get the basic swapper like mentioned in the presentation. Build it, watch it, learn all the amazing proof of concept, then improve the setup.

Convincing your own mind is most important part of the 3BGS.

Coffee rulz this morning. Time to move the molecules faster. Nuke time.
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Hello wanttomake,

Yes you can call me Al I do plan to build a more advanced version of the setup once I have finished the mechanical one. I know it will work and once I have the build the way I want it I plan to add a motor on it and start on that.



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Hello wanttomake,

Yes you can call me Al I do plan to build a more advanced version of the setup once I have finished the mechanical one. I know it will work and once I have the build the way I want it I plan to add a motor on it and start on that.



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Al,
Itís always good to know that more are building this setup.

Been very busy these days canít seem to get back into the shop.

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I set up some basic switch throwing excitement and it seemed to work as I thought it would. I think this is a very good system for me to replicate at this time.

With what I know now I am going to automate this in the future using my background in Rockwell Automation and tons of spare parts at work I will see if I can can get it all working off a small PLC setup.



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Update 07/08/2018

I have been testing a small setup and it has been working well. I have deiced to go with the Trojan T-125 6V 240Ah Flooded Lead Acid GC2 Deep Cycle Battery. I am going to start with 4 and run a small 4 volt load as a test.

The cost is not cheap however after all my work on the system in the past I know this will work fine.

I plan to log everything with my DAQ system so I can give detailed reports.



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Switching the battery's this way seems to work just fine however there is a lot of baby sitting going on. I do think this will work with some automation as I do not see myself throwing switches every few days.

The concept is solid and I do not regret buying the presentation video and slides.

I will keep testing and report back soon with some video and pics.



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Still working on this project. I have just ordered some new switching gear as I melted my other switch lol.

I have also added 3 new local people to the project and we are moving along nicely.

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Turion what's the best motor type to use to date Dave's rewind or a Muller or something else if your trying for increases power .and have you guys REACHED the goal of self charging and providing several hundred Watts ? Thinks for your time Jim .
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The purpose of Matt's rewound motor was to return as much of the input power back to the 3rd battery in the 3 battery system AS POSSIBLE. With THAT motor, a
rotor with some magnets on it, a couple generator coils, boost modules, and the proper circuit, you can put together a system that demonstrates COP>2. How MUCH over 2 depends on your build. How many people have built something THAT efficient? How many people have even SEEN something that efficient?

The whole idea was to focus people in the right direction and get them to understand that running between the potentials IS the answer to free energy WHEN YOU KNOW WHAT YOU ARE DOING and can apply the principles. But you have to WALK before you can RUN. The little system is BABY STEPS to learn the principles. Matt would be the first to tell you, and has, that the motor runs HOT, and in its present form it is NOT the final solution. I intend to pour a ferrite core for one, and even have the mold, but it is boxed up as we are in the process of moving.

With a small system like I just described, you need EVERY edge you can get to achieve the goal, so THAT motor is essential. There is NO WAY around that. At the time we were disclosing all that information, I was working on a delayed lenz, magnetically neutral generator as the FINAL piece to the puzzle. But I wasn't SHARING that yet, so the ONLY way (for people on the forum) to get the desired end result was with Matt's modified motor. PERIOD!

My early versions of the generator I ran with Matt's modified motor. I built MANY versions of the generator, all the way up to 12 coils instead of the two we started with. When the generator was BIG ENOUGH to produce enough power to overcome the losses in the system I no longer NEEDED the modified motor to reach my goal. Presently, I can run the generator with a modified or stock MY1016 or a modified or stock MY1020. Matt's motor is ALWAYS more efficient running the system, but cannot run it for too long because of the heat issue. The stock motor doesn't return power to the system like Matt's motor does, but because the generator produces so MUCH power, those little bits are not THAT critical anymore.

I have disclosed everything about how to build that generator. EVERYTHING. You can turn it with the MY1020 on 24 volts at LESS than 12 amps. It will output about 1500 to 1800 watts. My LARGER generator requires a bit more input, but the output is over 2000 watts.

Building a BIG generator is COSTLY. Most people just WON'T do it. So if they are going to build a SMALL ONE and NOT use Matt's motor, they will fail to achieve the goal. It is that simple.

Everyone is always asking me why, if this system is so great, I haven't looped it and gotten a self runner. The answer is simple. I have worked hundreds of hours on this to make it more and more and more efficient. I figured when it was efficient ENOUGH, it would be CAKE to get it to self run. Maybe it can self run now. The numbers indicate it should. I just haven't tried, and it will be a while before I have time to work on it again. Too many OTHER things on my plate. Really GOOD things, but they are taking up all my time. My grandson's birthday was seven days ago, and I missed it because I was just too busy with the two houses I am dealing with. Do you think a stupid generator is MORE important to me than my grandson?
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Turion thank you for your kind reply I know life gets in the way .same with me the family is most important .thats why we try with these projects to make there life's a little better .I was just trying to get an up date and I did .so something came up that I thought you might be able to use its called vsg as a inline energy module for there's systems .it's based on work done at CERN's . They saw the effect but never published the findings until one of the scientists broke out about it . what up is there seems to be a way to generate free energy though pulsing different elements with positive electricity .it's the isotopes in carbon that flip to boron and back to carbon and release cold energy one recearcher showed 1000% gains .but there must be a magnetic field around it to guide the energy out of carbon and into the wires .this works good for testing because you can pluse charge a cap with and with out the field and see the difference .then replace with soild magnets ..it may be at the heart of over unity devices that use a spark gap and elevated voltages once over 100 volts it starts to get interesting .many elements do this .it's not the element but a isotope of the element .and I think there may be some thing like this in copper .to.Bedini and Newman used and knew the more copper the more over unity .is it the isotopes ? It's been called a radiant energy pump .this flipping from one element to another and back the good news the isotopes don't get used up .there for ever .thinks Jim . PS this may be a whole new area of study in energy .just when I thought I saw it all.
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