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Old 02-18-2018, 02:53 AM
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Can you get a gain from an inductive spike?
Can you get a gain from a transient spike?
Can you get a gain from the change in flux from a magnetic field if you do NOT "pay" for the change?
Can electrical energy be trapped or stored in a coil?


In other words, if YOU charge a coil with electricity, can you set it on the shelf, and then go back days or YEARS later and harvest that electricity from the coil to do work, like lighting up a lightbulb?
If you know how to do that, I believe you MIGHT be on the right right path to using electrical energy to create MORE energy.

I would like to hear thoughts on this. Can this be done? Can YOU do it, and if so, how?

Let's hear it.

P.S. If I didn't think it could be done, I wouldn't be wasting your time, but wanted to here the pros AND cons to see what people think and what is limiting our understanding of how electricity works. I have been saying for ten years that our understanding of HOW electricity works is FUNDAMENTALLY incorrect, and this is just another example of how and why. If there is interest in going down this road, I have a basic prototype I am willing to share. After that it is up to you. I have other irons in the fire, but I BELIEVE this road is well worth traveling.



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If it's possible, and I'm guessing you know how, then it would change our technology. A coil that can hold a charge like a capacitor would power a motor for long durations. From the Lockridge device I tried to build such with a trifilar coil wrapped with capacitor layers. Of course the results weren't any help.

But my hand is up. I would be very interested as I still have the motor part of my Lockridge build.

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Can you get a gain from an inductive spike?
Can you get a gain from a transient spike?
Can you get a gain from the change in flux from a magnetic field if you do NOT "pay" for the change?
Can electrical energy be trapped or stored in a coil?


In other words, if YOU charge a coil with electricity, can you set it on the shelf, and then go back days or YEARS later and harvest that electricity from the coil to do work, like lighting up a lightbulb?
If you know how to do that, I believe you MIGHT be on the right right path to using electrical energy to create MORE energy.

I would like to hear thoughts on this. Can this be done? Can YOU do it, and if so, how?

Let's hear it.

P.S. If I didn't think it could be done, I wouldn't be wasting your time, but wanted to here the pros AND cons to see what people think and what is limiting our understanding of how electricity works. I have been saying for ten years that our understanding of HOW electricity works is FUNDAMENTALLY incorrect, and this is just another example of how and why. If there is interest in going down this road, I have a basic prototype I am willing to share. After that it is up to you. I have other irons in the fire, but I BELIEVE this road is well worth traveling.



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I don't know how to do it but I sure would like to.
Not sure if it is the same idea you've come up with, however, i do remember seeing a video of a guy who made a claim, he had a U shaped core with a coil on it, he had a metal bar across the ends. Claimed it hung in his garage for two years and when he took the bar off the coil, lit up an led for a short time.
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there is one I can think of..

Leedskalnin PMH...

are you going to make it chase its own tail?.
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A very thought provoking set of questions.

Can you get a gain from an inductive spike?

Of course you have to do some work to create a spike and the return is less than what you did to create it under ohms law. The thing is, both the work you put in and the return spike both create magnetism which can do work. Now the question is this. Is the energy in the work done by the magnetic field more than or less than the initial work put in?
If you make the magnetism do work does that reduce the power of the return spike?
Is the work done by magnetism and the return spike more than the power you put in? I believe it is.

Using maths it would suggest that the energy available in the magnetism of the input and return spike is double the input less what is lost to ohms law, but the moment we start making that magnetism do work our return spike reduces. This may be a disappointment but the reduction does not appear to be proportional. Why is this? because the magnetism is at 90 degrees to the current doing the work. I figure that the power available is the line (Hypotenuse) going between the input and the work done. Im not very good at explaining it but its like reactive power being added tangentially to the input power.

Can you get a gain from a transient spike?
This is interesting because no spike is truly transient, so the answer must be yes. How much? I dont think there is a lot to use directly but there may be benefits in translating them through a battery.

Can you get a gain from the change in flux from a magnetic field if you do NOT "pay" for the change?
Yes. I assume this relates to the collapse of the field and your first question.

Can electrical energy be trapped or stored in a coil?
I dont think so, I believe a coil to be a translation device that takes one form of energy and turns it into another.

The lockridge device may be an interesting model on which to test these points.
By passing a current through the coils a magnetic force rotates the armature. The moment the current is cut off the coils provide a spike which if given a path, allows current to continue flowing in the same direction. This current also provides a magnetic field and continues to rotate the armature. 2 for one less ohms law.
This current flow can also be collected in a capacitor. 3 for one less ohms law.
But is the energy in parts 1, 2 and 3 real? yes. The initial current did work so the inductive kickback current must be new and not stored energy in a conventional sense.

The initial current after it has passed through the coils can be stored in a capacitor or battery. The energy in it is equal to the input less ohms law.

As the coil has done work the inductance changes so the output from the inductive kickback is not what you would expect from a free coil doing no work, however; current does flow and a magnetic field is created which also does work and this second current can also be stored in a battery or capacitor.

If you use a capacitor to store energy, half the energy is lost due to efficiency. Much better to use a battery or use the current directly but that isnt always possible.

If our motor is 40% efficient at producing mechanical work, and we gain 30% from the inductive kickback we end up with a 70% efficient motor. This is exactly what happens when using a Universal motor on PWM provided the frequency is correct and the duration of the pulse is less than 60% I think this proves point 1.

The energy that passed through the motor and is stored in a capacitor can be anywhere from 30 to 70% of the input. If the mechanical efficiency is 70% then it should be impossible to get more than 30% in the capacitor.

Inductive kickback alone produces 15 to 17% which allowing for capacitor efficiency is 30 to 34% which when added to the mechanical is 100% so where has ohms law gone? We do get heat so ohms law is still there and we are over 100%.

I could go on but there is a lot to think about there.

Hope this gets you thinking
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Leedskalnin's PMH CAN be one example, but it stores magnetic energy/and or electrical energy.

Take a look at the attached CRUDE drawing of the PMH. It is a "U" shaped bar with an iron keeper across the "U" to form a loop. The two coils are wound and the beginning of one coil is connected to the end of the other. This leaves two free ends. When a battery is momentarily connected to the two free wires (points A and B) there is a charge put into the coils which creates a circulating magnetic field in the iron loop that keeps the keeper held in place magnetically. Should you forcefully remove the iron keeper, the magnetic field collapses and when you attempt to reattach it, it has no magnetic attraction. I have personally had one with the keeper attached hanging on my wall for eight years. I even took it with me when I moved.

If you attach the other two wires together, creating two points (2nd attached file, points A and B) where wires come together and charge the coils momentarily, something ENTIRELY DIFFERENT happens. Yes, the magnetic field is created, which keeps the iron attached, but a circulating electrical field is ALSO created. How do I prove this? Simple. Remove the iron keeper. THIS time you can reattach it and it will stick. In fact you can remove it and reattach it several times before the magnetic field weakens so much it won't hold the keeper.

So now we have a circulating ELECTRICAL field. What good does that do us? In the long term, I am not sure, because I only figured some of this out a few months ago, and haven't had the TIME to do long term testing. Nor do I really have the time to work on this particular project, which is why I am open sourcing it here. I will refer to this circulating electrical field as "the loop"

So now we take a third (bifilar) coil, wound on its OWN iron core (3rd attachment points A and B) and connect one of the strands between the two existing points with a switch. The second strand powers our load.
When the switch is connected some of the energy in the loop goes INTO the strand of the bifilar coil, charging the second strand and powering the load. When the first strand collapses, all the energy, plus the inductive spike, plus the transient spike goes BACK into the ORIGINAL electrical loop. A gauss meter shows the magnetic field increases, which means there are electrical gains. Capacitors can be used to increase the amount of energy the coil holds, which increases the output to the load.

That's it. Simple. Not rocket science at all. Something LIKE this may very well be the basis for the TPU.

One other note. You do NOT need the two coils on an iron "U" to do this. They can be on a straight iron rod. We are taking advantage of the electrical loop, not the magnetic, although you get BOTH, and ways of utilizing the magnetic to do FREE work is another whole chapter of this basic concept I intend to explore.

Anyway, that's it guys. I hope it is of interest to some of you. If not, I will get around to it one day
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Very Interesting ! Thanks for sharing this discovery Turion
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Bedini discovered long ago that in the torroidal cores that were charged kept a perpetual magnetic current in circulation even after the electricity was no longer applied. It's all internal so you can't meter from the outside and you won't know it is there unless the torridal core is cut in half to see that the two halves stick together.

Dave, your suggested experiment has been done before but without the recovery coil going to a load but the keeper can stick over and over. I like your ideas. The reason why that I was turned on to was different than yours but in any case, what you are claiming about what it does is true.

The world's first PMH was actually a single coil and went by a different name and was invented decades before Leedskalnin was even born. Leedskalnin often took credit for many things that he simply learned in very common book on magnetism at the time and early on, every scholar at Princeton in the electrical sciences was well-aware of the "PMH". Leedskalnin fans hate hearing that, but it's the truth. I'm not a fan of Einstein, but he did say that the secret to his creativity was to hide his sources and that is exactly what Leedskalnin did.

It was invented by a contemporary of Faraday who independently discovered the "Law of Electromagnetic Induction" a year apart. It's something I was going to write up for a blog post sometime soon with copies of the first references ever that most people have never heard of.

It can also be done without coils.

My speculation is that the TPU, if valid, is there is a resonant component similar to what has been connected to Hans Coler's device. Yes, I know the TPU has resonance claims but resonating what? Anyway, here is a more serious look at the Hans Coler device by Dr. Thorsten Ludwig. Hans Coler device was a permanent magnet device that constantly outputted electricity to power loads and that was even verified by British Intelligence after the war.

https://ac.els-cdn.com/S187538921202...1a0ba8d0955904

And of further interest to me in relation to the above is that the goal of the QEG is about synchronizing 3 resonances, which includes that actual resonance of the magnetic core material. If they accomplish that, it wouldn't be surprising if they got the results that Ronald Brandt claimed.

If all of this is understood enough, I think it can be used to exploit the circulating magnetic current in the PMH without destroying that magnetic current (polarized aether in circulation) similar to what Dave is suggesting. I think it has really interesting possibilities.
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That's great info about the PMH. Daniel McFarland Cook and others have the same figure 8 coil connections on their free energy device patents, so the basic idea has been around in some form for a really long time. I have personally seen the same configuration in at least three different write-ups or patents of "free energy" devices.

Leedskalnin was the first I saw using the "U" shaped bar with the keeper across the end, but the fact that others before him experimented with it doesn't surprise me.

For my money, the fact that you can re-use the circulating electrical field to continue to do work makes this well worth investigating. Right now I pay for switching costs from an outside source, but something like Bedini's two coil switch would make switching costs free, or you could use some of the output from the power coil to pay for switching, especially with a large system that has some serious output.

From my research, the Transient spike comes at the MOMENT THE CONNECTION IS MADE IN THE SWITCH (if the frequency is correct) and the inductive spike comes when the switch disconnects. Since BOTH collapse back into the "Loop", every time the switch is connected and disconnected (at the correct frequency for the coil) the electrical energy in the loop increases, and it is a % of the previous amount, so the growth is exponential. You are only limited by what the coil and attached capacitors can hold, which limits the output to the load. I bought a few (800) capacitors, and intend to get around to trying some experiments with this some day, because all my results so far have been positive. The problem is, I already have OTHER things I know work, and all my spare time is spent on THAT, so I have no time for things that may or may not ever achieve the output of what I am currently working on.

I brought this here because I have tried it. I know it works, and someone with the right junk lying around their shop might decide to see what they can do with it. There are many ways to skin this cat.

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This is really great Aaron, but who can fully wrap their heads around this?



https://ac.els-cdn.com/S187538921202...514a56de4d0f29


The "Stromerzeuger" consists of an arrangement of magnets, flat coils, and copper plates, with a
primary circuit energized by a small battery. Coler and von Unruh made up a slightly larger model with
an output of 70 watts. This was demonstrated to Dr. F. Modersohn, who obtained from Prof. Schumann
and Prof. Kloss confirmation of their tests in 1926. The device was seen by the professors Schumann
(Munich), Bragstad (Trondheim) and Knudsen (Copenhagen). Reports by Prof. Kloss (Technical
University of Berlin) and Prof. Schumann (Technical University of Munich) are reliable evidence that the
device was real and worked. Prof. Schumann is still widely known for the discovery of the Schumann
Resonances in the earth atmosphere. Coler then in 1937 built a larger version with an output of six
kilowatts.


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I started thinking a bit more about how this could work and while it may be far fetched (I intend to give some things a try with this info) I could see the possibility of two of these setups back to back with 4 coils (as often the TPU diagrams have 4 separate coils wound on a core) and those 2 inner coils as seen in the TPU videos being the bifilar toroid load coils which may then feed power back to the other coils as Turion explained. Probably fuzzy logic on my part but I'm thinking that 2 of these setups tied together in some way may be a basis of the TPU.
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I had totally forgot about the keeper effect, Nice one
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That's great info about the PMH. Daniel McFarland Cook and others have the same figure 8 coil connections on their free energy device patents, so the basic idea has been around in some form for a really long time. I have personally seen the same configuration in at least three different write-ups or patents of "free energy" devices.

Leedskalnin was the first I saw using the "U" shaped bar with the keeper across the end, but the fact that others before him experimented with it doesn't surprise me.

For my money, the fact that you can re-use the circulating electrical field to continue to do work makes this well worth investigating. Right now I pay for switching costs from an outside source, but something like Bedini's two coil switch would make switching costs free, or you could use some of the output from the power coil to pay for switching, especially with a large system that has some serious output.

From my research, the Transient spike comes at the MOMENT THE CONNECTION IS MADE IN THE SWITCH (if the frequency is correct) and the inductive spike comes when the switch disconnects. Since BOTH collapse back into the "Loop", every time the switch is connected and disconnected (at the correct frequency for the coil) the electrical energy in the loop increases, and it is a % of the previous amount, so the growth is exponential. You are only limited by what the coil and attached capacitors can hold, which limits the output to the load. I bought a few (800) capacitors, and intend to get around to trying some experiments with this some day, because all my results so far have been positive. The problem is, I already have OTHER things I know work, and all my spare time is spent on THAT, so I have no time for things that may or may not ever achieve the output of what I am currently working on.

I brought this here because I have tried it. I know it works, and someone with the right junk lying around their shop might decide to see what they can do with it. There are many ways to skin this cat.

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I totally forgot about Cook - posted about him here for anyone that wants the patent, etc. Cook's Perpetual Electrical Generator - A & P Electronic Media

Also wish I had enough time to do these experiments. I did recently experiment with a PMH that didn't require a coil and it works. It was released to the public in the past. If the person who shared it with me before is ok with it, I'll post it maybe with the PMH history post I want to do.

Hope to see something come out of all of this. At least is is fairly low budget and low tech so most people can participate.
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The PMH sounds and looks simple however the very fact that it works requires a fundamental change in electric theory. The only answer a lecturer can offer to the action of the PMH is 'residual magnetism'
there is a problem with that however - EL tells us to use 'soft Iron' alas thats not readily available now as it was in Ed's time. (a link from an old anchor chain is a good source) the reason is pretty simple Iron is magnetically 'soft' It would make for instance a good electro-magnet, steel however tends to stay magnetized and so would make a good permanent magnet.
each have their place in the scheme of things. and it all comes down to something called permeability and the B/H curve (Tesla gets recognition here bless him - B = Webers per square meter and the SI unit is the TESLA. 'T' ( used to be Gauss I seem to remember what happened to his claim to fame!)

https://nationalmaglab.org/education...riedrich-gauss



anyway here is - the B/H curve explained

https://www.electronics-tutorials.ws...ysteresis.html

you can see soft and hard -- excuse the slight pun but it's not very hard to understand is it?
And then you hit a huge anomaly - In soft Iron (for instance) the flux stays locked in the core ! it doesn't escape and ' cut coils with lines of force' In a nut shell - It doesn't leave that core , It can't . students of course parrot this even though it simply can't be!
now this is not just IMHO you understand its expanded on here by EPD and bless his tortured soul Chris Carson

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XsrbaCJo3Qw

At this point in time its pretty much whats done is done , But I point out neither of these dedicated researchers left this demonstration unscathed. And so suggest you watch this again and again until the truth they are trying so very hard to project becomes undeniable.
The like of this transmission is not likley to be repeated.
So a classically trained EE and I have to kick my efforts over the years into the long grass ? -- so be it ! however its not quite right ! and the trick IMHO is to force what actually happens with what current theory indicates should happen to mesh. The oppositely wound coils on EL's PMH could be magnetically likened to Tesla's bi - filar coil on one core, after all they are effectively doing the same thing!
There are so many permutations to coil winding its a life's study all by itself as is the caduceus coil
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with its claim to be resonant at all frequencies and anti gravitational effects.
A step to far perhaps ? In theory two identical coils wound on the same core with polarities reversed should exactly cancel each other with a net resultant force of zero - well folks it doesn't happen does it ?
I wound one of these things full size to EL's plan some 25 years ago . I've just dragged it's dusty arse out from under an old work bench



you'll see back then I put tap's into my winding at various points and I'll explain why in a moment.
but first a logical step , If ELs PMH doesn't exactly cancel what about its cousin the permanent magnet ? would identical magnets cancel ? I did this experiment with identical magnets (but cruder than this example) which I invite you to watch.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W5q47JJJAww

Just as an aside a good understanding of this opens the door to understanding Hatem and all of the magnetic engine clones.
however what I wished to know was - at what point would the coils actually balance and behave as classic theory says they should ? The answer (subject to duplication of course) 1:1.6 .(more or less) which is also the relationship of the longitudinal wave to the transverse wave. also as an aside -
The patterns these holders and magnetic wheels can produce in water is amazing



So just an opinion you understand but I elect to consider that with this device you are considering a very different sort of energy altogether. an omni directional energy rather as Aaron describes in his book 'The quantum Key' I would suggest that all energy really originates from this source. power stations may be incidental.
The PMH itself can probably be made to oscillate by simply putting the third coil David suggests in his drawing on a core at 90 deg to the PMH as shown with a permanent magnet here.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L_2G28531sI

There for consideration are the questions David ponders answered can a coil store energy over time ?
yes the PMH can do it for years . Here is friend of this forum Russ showing the PMH doing exactly that even after after two years. Mine worked after 15 years (at least)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=832qz3s1M-s

can the PMH be made dynamic ? Certainly to make a PMH oscillator should have interesting effects.
- might even try that myself !
surly the phenomenal work of Art Porter culminating in his static gap machine mirrors this effect ?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=50VaM45U-TM

Incidentally a common or garden coil does store energy hence a crystal set tank circuit can work

energy stored in a capacitor = 1/2 CV^2 energy stored in a inductor =1/2 LI^2 derived for you here

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sVkyIt3B7xE

It never fails to surprise me that despite the blatantly obvious examples being exotic and very different from any norm folks still muck about searching for volts and amps and still try to use oscilloscopes and the like . Kindest regards Duncan
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Soft Magnetic Iron Powder 99.4 % pure iron

Search for this on ebay, etc. Mold it into whatever shape you want or need. Use a binder of your choice, epoxy, plastic, common glue, etc. Have fun!
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The reason the PMH works so well is because the "hysteresis" losses are negligible. These losses are like heat losses in a resistor. You probably want to focus your experiments at some particular frequency or periodicity, a.k.a. resonant frequency. For low frequency experiments you want ..., for higher frequency effects you may want to ..., and so on. Also know that the "magnetic particles" are extremely fast and fluid. Much faster than c, in my view, and much smaller than electrons. This, also, is my opinion. Very few traditional thinkers are able to grasp this idea. They are stuck in their thinking.
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agreed -Wayne in this context the area under the curve = loss . might I respectfully suggest a brief research of Robert Adams, particularly core material and magnetic reaction time .
also as regards TPU research the mans occupation - (speakers and Hi Fi sound) core material (was I suggest) 'special ' and 'borrowed' ergo its not going to be replicated with welding rods or old nails (I did try , ever the optomist ) faster than C -- oh dear join me on the naughty step ! and welcome! kindest regards Duncan
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Leedskalnin's PMH CAN be one example, but it stores magnetic energy/and or electrical energy.



Take a look at the attached CRUDE drawing of the PMH. It is a "U" shaped bar with an iron keeper across the "U" to form a loop. The two coils are wound and the beginning of one coil is connected to the end of the other. This leaves two free ends. When a battery is momentarily connected to the two free wires (points A and B) there is a charge put into the coils which creates a circulating magnetic field in the iron loop that keeps the keeper held in place magnetically. Should you forcefully remove the iron keeper, the magnetic field collapses and when you attempt to reattach it, it has no magnetic attraction. I have personally had one with the keeper attached hanging on my wall for eight years. I even took it with me when I moved.



If you attach the other two wires together, creating two points (2nd attached file, points A and B) where wires come together and charge the coils momentarily, something ENTIRELY DIFFERENT happens. Yes, the magnetic field is created, which keeps the iron attached, but a circulating electrical field is ALSO created. How do I prove this? Simple. Remove the iron keeper. THIS time you can reattach it and it will stick. In fact you can remove it and reattach it several times before the magnetic field weakens so much it won't hold the keeper.

So now we have a circulating ELECTRICAL field. What good does that do us? In the long term, I am not sure, because I only figured some of this out a few months ago, and haven't had the TIME to do long term testing. Nor do I really have the time to work on this particular project, which is why I am open sourcing it here. I will refer to this circulating electrical field as "the loop".



So now we take a third (bifilar) coil, wound on its OWN iron core (3rd attachment points A and B) and connect one of the strands between the two existing points with a switch. The second strand powers our load.
When the switch is connected some of the energy in the loop goes INTO the strand of the bifilar coil, charging the second strand and powering the load. When the first strand collapses, all the energy, plus the inductive spike, plus the transient spike goes BACK into the ORIGINAL electrical loop. A gauss meter shows the magnetic field increases, which means there are electrical gains. Capacitors can be used to increase the amount of energy the coil holds, which increases the output to the load.

That's it. Simple. Not rocket science at all. Something LIKE this may very well be the basis for the TPU.

One other note. You do NOT need the two coils on an iron "U" to do this. They can be on a straight iron rod. We are taking advantage of the electrical loop, not the magnetic, although you get BOTH, and ways of utilizing the magnetic to do FREE work is another whole chapter of this basic concept I intend to explore.

Anyway, that's it guys. I hope it is of interest to some of you. If not, I will get around to it one day


Nice Thread Turion!!

Many thanks for disclosing this material here!

And yes, it does work indeed...a CLOSED/FULL CORE (Basically a TOROID) would do even better than just a small "keeper" plate.

It is very well known that square or any sharp angled cores (like a typical E-I Transformer Frame) would loose Magnetic Field, right at those sharp angles...

Magnetic Field existing at a closed core indefinitely will generate an Electric Field on the previously exciting coil, until closed flux loop frame is opened.

I particularly like your schematic#3...have you ever tried to make a small motor out of this circuit?

I believe with all the four coils above (and of course a different distribution) we could make a nice small motor where the switch would be a small 3 element commutator plus a couple of brushes to close circuit at a particular angle where a constant (perpetual?) rotation could be produced..

Anyways that was just a "fly by idea" that came to my mind when I saw your circuit #3...

But about the main idea, I believe you are completely right for it being used on the TPU main principle.

IMHO, I believe that Cook's and Figuera's ideas on their Patents were missing this important factor of keeping the cores closed and maybe distribute them in "MODULES" which could be connected together just as batteries to add up bigger energy outputs...but maybe they did it on purpose, not to show a FULL PATENT Diagram...idk and guess no one will ever know the truth.

That is the reason why, now I am building a toroidal structure for the Figuera generator primary-secondary Cores...which would eventually be just "one module"...

Back on your idea...I believe that reminiscent field generating a continuous flux around the closed core would do create an Electric Field(EF) indeed...However, I believe that EF besides being weak, it will eventually decay over time SINCE We are not EXCITING anymore the Magnetic Field which actually was the one who originated the EF ("Excitement" as "producing a CHANGE" paraphrasing Faraday Induction Law)...

But parting from the main principle, that we have a Permanent Magnetic Field within a Closed Core, even being "stationary" (meaning not excited, not "changing")...I believe that creating even a small "change" would be very cheap "to pay for" with very high expectancy on the output...and of course, backed up by Caps to make an LC Closed Tank Circuit...etc,etc.


I believe here, you have simply "touched" the really HOT BUTTON, that could trigger the Free Energy Generation!!


Thanks again.



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Increases, not decreases

If you look at schematic 3, every time the switch is thrown, some of the circulating energy in the loop goes into the bufilar coil. When that coil collapses, that energy is returned to the circulating loop along with the inductive and transient spike and the circulating energy INCREASES. This is measured as an increase in the magnetic flux field in the loop. You will also note that when the circulating energy is partially diverted into the third coil the flux field weakens in the loop and then is instantly INCREASED as coil 3 collapses. This changing flux field can be used to do OTHER THINGS. I have seen that. I have done that. There are many ways this simple circuit can be utilized besides just as a means to generate energy, not the least of which is a motoring function. It can even pay for its own switching costs.

I should note, the inductive spoke itself is NOT enough to get the increase. The inductive AND transient are needed and the transient ONLY happens at the correct frequency of switching for YOUR particular coil.
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Not to discourage people from looking but there are some really fundamental things to take into consideration.

First the PMH works because there is no loss in the inductor. Hysteresis, eddy currents and BEMF all show up from the modulation of the magnetic field and/or from the introduction of current into the windings of the inductor which produces a magnetic field. This has none of that, except on the initial charge. The magnetic field is simply free flowing in a circle. Without directional change no magnetic loss is induced. Not even flux loss would not be present, IE Sharp Corners. That kind of flux leakage is again caused from alternating direction and is stored flux from the previous cycle collides with new income incoming flux.

Now David says the transients or inductive collapse are what add the power but really with this setup you should be looking (IE with scope) for only one thing. The rate of charge on the center coil and any modulation that it brings.

This should be viewable on the center coils CLOSED winding if the magnetic wire is striped of insulation and you probe across it and look for peak voltage. The closed winding on the center coil cannot charge without causing a small rise in voltage. That should be present as it raises the voltage just before evacuating the coil. IE a potential difference that allow the current to flow back out through the resistance of the windings.

If you can find that modulation which has to be there you set your switching on the open winding of the coil to interact at peak voltage of the modulation.
IE coil shorting.

Coil shorting in generators reduces the lenz effects and can raise the overall output of a given coil. If you have looked at it seriously you know this to be true even though the gains are minuet. If you haven't well call me a liar and I'll call you lazy.

Depending on the size and frequency of that closed winding you most likely could set up a simple monitoring ADC from an Arduino and drive the switch's via a predictable variable. If the frequency is below 1 MHz you could possibly switch several times per rise in voltage. If you have real good hold this, after, or if you find it you can set that coil up for a predictable behavior. Very simple math to look at the rate of change in the coil can give you predictable results from just a voltage reading.

From everything David has told me about it that seems to me to be the best approach to watching the output gain at least in flux density. Remember its about effect, Find the effect manipulate it then worry about measuring and getting work done from it. I would consider a PMH that held an ever increasing rate of weight before the bond was broken to be true free energy device that does work. No matter the time it took to see results.

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OK, I used a 5 1/4" diameter toroid Clarence sent me and some left over wire. Both coils are same size and 120 ac 60 hz primaries. The single coil is bifilar parallel wound with iron core. I do have welding rod material to try also.

Which power source do I use? PWM dc, mains AC, Booster DC, I had a signal generator but not now. The spare parts I had laying around. Please no negative comments, but rather positive and forum like teaching. I don't mind testing if anybody wants to explore this farther.


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I was thinking about trying this with a large ferrite toroid that is cut in half but I'm not sure if ferrite is the best thing to use for this. Maybe soft steel is better? Also would like to ask when winding coils whether they would be best wound in bucking mode or aiding mode direction? Any thoughts on that welcome.
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I was thinking about trying this with a large ferrite toroid that is cut in half but I'm not sure if ferrite is the best thing to use for this. Maybe soft steel is better? Also would like to ask when winding coils whether they would be best wound in bucking mode or aiding mode direction? Any thoughts on that welcome.
Hello Ewizard,

I also have a ferrite square core split in two equal parts that I took off a big TV HV Coil...I am gonna test it, even though ferrite is designed for HF, as I believe it does not have good retention properties (not sure though, have to look it up)...still I would use it on this plus other projects.

On the winding mode I believe the aiding type would be the right way, since N-S would provide a continuous Flux path with same magnetic spin.

Either way, after is done, changing to bucking and then testing only would take to reverse one of the two coils terminals.

Just my opinion on this, hope it helps you.


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I also have a ferrite square core split in two equal parts that I took off a big TV HV Coil...I am gonna test it, even though ferrite is designed for HF, as I believe it does not have good retention properties
You are right in that this type of core is designed not to have remnance. A better toroid material would be to try a tape wound square loop type of core, which were used in small inverters in the 60's and 70's. "Square loop" refers to the B-H curve shape, not the core itself. The remance is almost as high as the Bsat value.
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Thanks UFOPolitics - always good to hear your thoughts. And thanks Serendipitor for your input too.

Has anyone done any tests yet with this concept? I think I've got everything I need to give it a try if only the time thief will stop stealing all my time
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A very thought provoking set of questions.

Can you get a gain from an inductive spike?

Of course you have to do some work to create a spike and the return is less than what you did to create it under ohms law. The thing is, both the work you put in and the return spike both create magnetism which can do work. Now the question is this. Is the energy in the work done by the magnetic field more than or less than the initial work put in?
If you make the magnetism do work does that reduce the power of the return spike?
Is the work done by magnetism and the return spike more than the power you put in? I believe it is.

Using maths it would suggest that the energy available in the magnetism of the input and return spike is double the input less what is lost to ohms law, but the moment we start making that magnetism do work our return spike reduces. This may be a disappointment but the reduction does not appear to be proportional. Why is this? because the magnetism is at 90 degrees to the current doing the work. I figure that the power available is the line (Hypotenuse) going between the input and the work done. Im not very good at explaining it but its like reactive power being added tangentially to the input power.

Can you get a gain from a transient spike?
This is interesting because no spike is truly transient, so the answer must be yes. How much? I dont think there is a lot to use directly but there may be benefits in translating them through a battery.

Can you get a gain from the change in flux from a magnetic field if you do NOT "pay" for the change?
Yes. I assume this relates to the collapse of the field and your first question.

Can electrical energy be trapped or stored in a coil?
I dont think so, I believe a coil to be a translation device that takes one form of energy and turns it into another.

The lockridge device may be an interesting model on which to test these points.
By passing a current through the coils a magnetic force rotates the armature. The moment the current is cut off the coils provide a spike which if given a path, allows current to continue flowing in the same direction. This current also provides a magnetic field and continues to rotate the armature. 2 for one less ohms law.
This current flow can also be collected in a capacitor. 3 for one less ohms law.
But is the energy in parts 1, 2 and 3 real? yes. The initial current did work so the inductive kickback current must be new and not stored energy in a conventional sense.

The initial current after it has passed through the coils can be stored in a capacitor or battery. The energy in it is equal to the input less ohms law.

As the coil has done work the inductance changes so the output from the inductive kickback is not what you would expect from a free coil doing no work, however; current does flow and a magnetic field is created which also does work and this second current can also be stored in a battery or capacitor.

If you use a capacitor to store energy, half the energy is lost due to efficiency. Much better to use a battery or use the current directly but that isnt always possible.

If our motor is 40% efficient at producing mechanical work, and we gain 30% from the inductive kickback we end up with a 70% efficient motor. This is exactly what happens when using a Universal motor on PWM provided the frequency is correct and the duration of the pulse is less than 60% I think this proves point 1.

The energy that passed through the motor and is stored in a capacitor can be anywhere from 30 to 70% of the input. If the mechanical efficiency is 70% then it should be impossible to get more than 30% in the capacitor.

Inductive kickback alone produces 15 to 17% which allowing for capacitor efficiency is 30 to 34% which when added to the mechanical is 100% so where has ohms law gone? We do get heat so ohms law is still there and we are over 100%.

I could go on but there is a lot to think about there.

Hope this gets you thinking
Eric answers this question, but in a different context: not magnetic, but dielectric...
Eric Dollard - History and Theory of Electricity - YouTube

...in that energy passing through a capacitor to get to the other side of space, namely counter-space, is not the same energy coming back out of the dielectric (of a capacitor) from counter-space. And, thus, the two energies are not equivalent. One can be greater than or less than the other.

I have a guess why...

Whenever the square root of a value on an oscilloscope tracing is taken, it can yield two right answers if each is affiliated with two unique waveforms giving two new identities different from the parent waveform which preceded them. Multiplication of waveforms induces a need for more energy to embody more waveforms while the elimination of waveforms has the opposite effect. The energy to embody the increased population of waveforms has to come from somewhere, but who has an imaginary meter to read imaginary values in counter-space? -- Pun intended, ie. a meter that can read complex numeric values of mixed real and imaginary parts.

Lewis Carrol's "Through the Looking Glass" is a very apt metaphor for the dielectric property acting as a portal negotiating between space and counter-space. I suspect coils act as bidirectional pumps that will determine whether energy is going to leave the circuit or enter into it from the aether and to what degree in each direction from moment to moment.

Thus, the expression...
Energy IN equals Energy OUT

...does not pertain to the majority of forces governing the dielectric and magnetic fields, but merely thermodynamic conversions and losses.

As an aside...
The attached file, below, is excerpted from pg.110 of Eric's presentation to the San Francisco Tesla Society and contains a PMH at its core. It has proven to be an enhancement (maybe the PMH is the reason why?), of Eric's simpler LMD analog computer given out during his Borderlands video from 1988, when used for the amplification of an initial operator input of energy to start a surge toward infinity (at least undergoing simulation in a browser's JavaScript or in Java using CircuitMod).
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Eric answers this question, but in a different context: not magnetic, but dielectric...
Eric Dollard - History and Theory of Electricity - YouTube

...in that energy passing through a capacitor to get to the other side of space, namely counter-space, is not the same energy coming back out of the dielectric (of a capacitor) from counter-space. And, thus, the two energies are not equivalent. One can be greater than or less than the other.

I have a guess why...

Whenever the square root of a value on an oscilloscope tracing is taken, it can yield two right answers if each is affiliated with two unique waveforms giving two new identities different from the parent waveform which preceded them. Multiplication of waveforms induces a need for more energy to embody more waveforms while the elimination of waveforms has the opposite effect. The energy to embody the increased population of waveforms has to come from somewhere, but who has an imaginary meter to read imaginary values in counter-space? -- Pun intended, ie. a meter that can read complex numeric values of mixed real and imaginary parts.

Lewis Carrol's "Through the Looking Glass" is a very apt metaphor for the dielectric property acting as a portal negotiating between space and counter-space. I suspect coils act as bidirectional pumps that will determine whether energy is going to leave the circuit or enter into it from the aether and to what degree in each direction from moment to moment.

Thus, the expression...
Energy IN equals Energy OUT

...does not pertain to the majority of forces governing the dielectric and magnetic fields, but merely thermodynamic conversions and losses.

As an aside...
The attached file, below, is excerpted from pg.110 of Eric's presentation to the San Francisco Tesla Society. It has proven to be an enhancement, of Eric's simpler LMD analog computer given out during his Borderlands video from 1988, when used for the amplification of an initial operator input of energy to start a surge toward infinity (at least undergoing simulation in a browser's JavaScript or in Java using CircuitMod).
you lost me there can you put that in laymanís terms?
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you lost me there can you put that in layman’s terms?
The discussion, here, is whether or not (or how if possible) a PMH can be used for overunity gain? Am I right?

Well, to bypass my terse summation of what I got out of listening to that presentation of Eric's over and over again, is epitomized by a single image extracted from out of one of his powerpoint presentations in which a PMH is at the core of an analog computer (emulation) of a transmission line. This analog computer is normally used for analyzing a transmission line without having to build the whole darn thing, but shrink it down for bench testing. But as dR-Green has pointed out, this is also an analog of Tesla's Magnifying Transmitter since it can measure the performance of a TMT while it is running without getting in the way of its activity. I take it that dR-Green should know since he sells plans for miniaturized TMTs.

For every circuit we could possibly dream up, there are infinitely many more varieties that will execute that exact same behavior according to Thevenin equivalency.

To rephrase my terse summation, studying Eric Dollard's LMD module is an exercise in critical judgement. I've done numerous simulations over the past year which, although many if not most are not practical or buildable, nonetheless they have helped me to grapple with this simple little archetype of Eric's. And now, after spending a year of many hours of trial and error not knowing how to implement Eric's LMD module, and after listening to this important lecture of his (linked, above), I get it. It makes sense due to what I've seen happen in the context of my simulations: behaviors that for lack of a simple explanation, Eric's proves to be very appropriate. But I had to have this experience before anything he says on this topic could possibly make any sense at all. It never has. Yet, during that lecture, he says: just go and build it. Anything. Get experience. And then turn to Eric for organizing the brain around his view of what our experience has brought to our observations.

HINT -- Click on the Circuit Information button in the upper right corner and then compare that image with two instances of it being used along the central vertical spine of this simulation.

Is there something I overlooked?
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you lost me there can you put that in laymanís terms?
As Eric says in that lecture, each of the two forces of magnetism and dielectricity is in denial of the other.

Well, it appears to me that the PMH is in complete denial of dielectricity or else how could it preserve a magnetic charge indefinitely? But this is also the crux blocking its liberation to provide work.

As an example, my lightning oscillator simulation makes use of a derivative of Eric's LMD analog computer at its core while an additional two sub-circuits branch off from that core using analog switches in a frozen condition of non-toggling. This helps to make use of the LMD core without violating its behavior.

I've done other simulations which flip-flop those analog switches in a continuous manner. But isolation of the core is still essential to its operation.

It's a bit of a stretch to imagine that the core of Eric's refined LMD is a PMH when in reality it is merely two coils linked by two wires and each coil has its own iron core distinct from the other and not necessarily in toroidal form. But, it does exhibit the archetype of a closed magnetic loop since two coils are at its foundation just like the one or more coils of a true PMH.

For the purposes of illustration of archetypes, this is close enough of a similarity to exhibit that property of magnetism which functions in complete denial of its opposite dielectricity.

I'm not suggesting that an LMD module is the solution to this quandary. But I am suggesting that something similar, archetypally speaking, will address this situation in one Thevenin equivalent manner or another.
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I figured something out that is really cool and could result free energy for anybody who builds this. I took a piece of round soft iron bar stock and bent it into a U shape, leaving the two parallel pieces evenly spaced at 1" from the U all the way to the end. I kind of leaned towards the Ed Leedskalnin device theory but completed the project with my own detail and ideas. I wound a very heavy duty coil on one side of the horseshoe,. and another coil the opposite way on the other side, connecting the wire in the middle.

The horseshoe is 8 inches long, and the windings are 240 turns each, with number 20 awg magnet wire. I wound them along the length of the horseshoe and left 3 inches of space unwound at the end, so the windings were 5 inches long, connected at the top of the "U" in an anti lenz configuration.

I mounted the U to a wooden frame and bolted it to the metal frame for the rotor to spin inside of the U with the magnets facing the insides of the rounded faces, allowing very little drag and much overunity.

This I am giving away as an open source free energy design. Please tell everybody about it and share the diagram.

I ask for nothing to use or experiment with, however it has been added to one of my sites and I do own the design. If it is sold, I wouldn't be very happy. I also have rights to this since it has been saved online, so please just use this for free electricity and don't go selling it! Please pass that message around !!
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