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Old 04-09-2018, 01:30 PM
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Good topic

Thanks for this topic,
I want to find a good size U shape of the old iron and wind two coils around the two legs as Ed L. did. Is it not a good idea to use two coils or does it matter.

There's so much to learn about magnetism concerning coils, rotors, magnets and such. My replication times are filled with more study than building it seems. But that's why I'm here.

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Thanks for this topic,
I want to find a good size U shape of the old iron and wind two coils around the two legs as Ed L. did. Is it not a good idea to use two coils or does it matter.

There's so much to learn about magnetism concerning coils, rotors, magnets and such. My replication times are filled with more study than building it seems. But that's why I'm here.

wantomake
Hi wantomake,

One coil or two, what matters is the total turns, or actually ampere turns, which for the maximum effect should be enough to saturate the core.

What you're dealing with is residual magnetism or remanence or retentivity. It is easy to find articles explaining that. The choice of iron will also influence the effect.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Remanence

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Thanks bi,
Thanks for the link. This subject is a big one. I'll not try to discuss anything here as my understanding is very limited. I've read the older the iron the better. Most scrap yards have closed in this area due to price drops in the industry.

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Has everyone decided this doesn't work either? They would be wrong.
Does it take a battery? Where do it go? Like this?



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I like this video, it is simple to understand.
That's my horse


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Old 06-29-2019, 05:01 PM
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... I am tired of making claims of things I have seen on my bench and being doubted by everyone. ... I will no longer shout into the wind.
Turion,

What you "see" on your bench isn't necessarily real. You are often mistaken. Recent case in point is that "6 cell" LiFe battery. This is a big reason that people insist on proof of claims, especially extraordinary claims. Any honest, decent, well meaning individual would provide such proof or refrain from making the claim until he had and could provide proof. You are unreasonable to make extraordinary claims and refuse to show proof. Logical conclusion is that your extraordinary claim is a falsehood and not to be believed.

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Amazing

Amazing.
I get my 4G cell phone hooked up and for free.
5G kills and you pay for it.
You get the picture men?
Blocking the radar wave from 5G towers, study that instead.
Arguing shrinks the penis and the ladies don't like it either.
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https://youtu.be/bRdr-Fx6YHU

What happens if you put caps in parallel with the coils? Can electricity REALLY go in a circle? If so, that would be a significant clue to how the TPU works.

I edited my video because I am tired of making claims of things I have seen on my bench and being doubted by everyone. If you want to know anything more, build it yourself and do your own experiments. I will no longer shout into the wind.
Oh Okay now I see for the first time how the system can be extended
on the hold time or how to sustain the energy in the loop. This way as
you take a small portion away for use you can still build back up the
energy in the loop. Awesome, no one ever pointed out this fact.

Either that or I wasn't ready yet because I had not thought about it
long enough. Pay no attention to mr innocence his job is to try an
make a fool out of any lesson.

It is clear that an authority figure is needed to nail the little weasel.

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bi,
You insinuate that I am not honest, decent or well meaning. How clever
of you. Iím not quite as underhanded as you. If I think someone is an i
diot, and by someone I mean you, I will just come out and say it.

It appears that all you do on this forum is pick out tiny pieces of what
people do incorrectly to attempt to discredit or invalidate their entire
project.

If you have nothing to say on topic, please keep your pie hole closed. Thank you.
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Still, I have shown that this is a source of FREE energy if you understand how to take advantage of it using the circuit I have shown. ...

Dave
Hi Dave,

While your experiment may work as you say, it certainly is NOT free energy. You paid for it when you bought the 1.5V battery.

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Exclamation Maybe it's not for free, but it's a very cost effective methodology nonetheless!

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Hi Dave,

While your experiment may work as you say, it certainly is NOT free energy. You paid for it when you bought the 1.5V battery.

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bi
He's not using up a whole lot of current drawn from the battery if he shorts it out with current division and no resistor spanning this electrical short between the two poles of the battery when charging up the PMH.

This demonstrates how the process of charging a PMH actually works.

I always just assumed it was current which was charging up the coils. I'm wrong. This demonstrates that it is voltage which is being BORROWED, NOT SPENT (to any great degree of current drainage) which is charging up the coils of the PMH.

Hence, the PMH - although circulating an endless, magnetic field, is not charged up with what we normally associate with magnetism via a direct relationship between current and the magnetic fields surrounding the flow of current in a wire. That's merely the second stage of transference between the coils of the PMH and its steel core after the coils have already been charged up.

Instead, the PMH is charged up with an electrostatic charge which costs next to nothing (despite a very tiny cost of current to transfer this electrostatic charge to the coils from the shorted battery), followed by a very high remanence (magnetic memory) within the suitable steel core to disallow any appreciable loss of circulating magnetism.

This is so way cool, it defies superlatives!!!!!

This also implies that....
The larger are the coils and the thinner is their wire, the less will be the drainage upon the battery during the initial moment of charging up the PMH which will significantly economize battery usage even further since we don't need to offer any lack of resistance (super conductance) within the coils. Far from it. We should be increasing the resistance of the coils both by enlarging them and by increasing their wire gauge.

So, instead of 30 turns of 25 AWG wire, maybe the battery would be less drained using 300 turns of 40 AWG wire?

You would think, yes?

Me thinks I am reviving the spirit of Joseph Newman's line of reasoning....perhaps.
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Old 08-12-2019, 08:16 PM
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Once again you are attempting to focus the discussion in a different direction...to make sure we argue about something OTHER than what I was trying to share. But I will respond anyway.
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What is off topic about my reply?

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I can RETURN the battery to the store and get my money back, and the electricity is STILL rotating in my circuit. Has been for MONTHS AND MONTHS. Since I first posted this topic.
So thievery fits your definition of free?

OK,

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Coil & battery energy

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So, instead of 30 turns of 25 AWG wire, maybe the battery would be less drained using 300 turns of 40 AWG wire?

You would think, yes?
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If the voltage source was ideal (1.5V regardless of current), then only the coil mass alters the power draw from the source, assuming other factors remain constant, like wire material, temperature, etc). Altering the number of turns and wire size will result in the same ampere-turns, AT, as long as the mass of wire remains constant. It is the mmf, or AT that determine the magnitude of magnetic flux up to core saturation. The power or energy to reach that flux level can be reduced by increasing the mass of the coils. Simply adding more turns of the same gauge wire reduces current and maintains same AT.

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All this time, the reason for at least a pairing of each type of coil has eluded me..

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I like this video, it is simple to understand.
That's my horse


Now it dawns on my why my circuit....

shorted-coils.jpg


....requires at least a pair of each set of coils: the voltage coils dominated by voltage and the current coils exclusively containing nothing but current with zero voltage and the voltage coils must be shorted to each other just like the PMH coils are paired as a shorted pairing while the current coils are merely shorted to themselves, individually. It's because this electrical short (in all likelihood) might be of two types and maintained in two different manners for two different types of coil behaviors despite anything else taking place? Voila! Thanks guys!!!
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... , so there is no free energy to be had, but I see the possibilities. If no one else does, that's fine. Be on your way.
Turion,

So you admit that your claim is false.
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... I have shown that this is a source of FREE energy if you understand how to take advantage of it using the circuit I have shown. ...

Dave
You have not shown that. Call it semantics if you wish but it is a lack of understanding of basic fundamental science which leads folks to make these false claims. Study magnetism and learn the hysteresis curve and you too can see the truth. Then you'll recognize when or if something unusual happens.

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Old 08-12-2019, 11:35 PM
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... You haven't made a SINGLE contribution in all the years I have been on this forum. Not one. ...
I think you learned something from me back in May.
http://www.energeticforum.com/318091-post4755.html

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Now it dawns on my why my circuit....


....requires at least a pair of each set of coils: the voltage coils dominated by voltage and the current coils exclusively containing nothing but current with zero voltage and the voltage coils must be shorted to each other just like the PMH coils are paired as a shorted pairing while the current coils are merely shorted to themselves, individually. It's because this electrical short (in all likelihood) might be of two types and maintained in two different manners for two different types of coil behaviors despite anything else taking place? Voila! Thanks guys!!!
That is what I was thinking also, then looking at the ice cream motor it
looks like they put current loops in the cores also, it's got me thinking
about how those huge awg loops work in those small motors using
30awg wire? Humm... I always notice them but never realized what they
were for. Maybe current loops?


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