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Old 12-28-2017, 05:42 PM
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Hi iflewmyown, thanks for the response, look forward to any results you may share.
Hi cadman, thanks for your interest.
The stingo circuit gives very short duty cycle pulses and i think also higher voltage spikes, so more voltage than current output, compared to the meissner oscillator.
The coil itself, is an air core coil, with a 3/4" diameter core opening, 1 3/4" outside diameter and 1 1/2" length.
It is 5 strands of 24awg. magnet wire not twisted, though that may work better or the same.
Here is pic of coil using stingo oscillator.



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Thanks, looks nice and neat.
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Old 01-08-2018, 02:27 AM
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Hi all, just a small update.
The main battery under testing is starting to show significant increases in capacity.
I did for a couple cycles, only discharge to 12.20 volts.
On this, the 11th cycle, the 12 volt exide tractor battery, discharged for 23 hours and 3 minutes, using the same load as started with, down to 12.00 volts.
The original, starting base line, discharge load test, ran for 21 hours and 15 minutes.
So that is an increase of 1 hour and 48 minutes.
That is also an increase of 13.5 watt hours in capacity.
I will continue dishcarging down to 12.00 volts and observe any changes, to see if discharging to 12.20 volts, caused the noticeable increase in capacity.
Comments welcome.
Oh, I'm also still conditioning the other Xtreme brand tractor battery, that was not in good condition, would not hold a charge long and was not starting our tractor, it seems to be coming along well also.
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Old 01-09-2018, 03:08 AM
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Just want to add something for those watching this thread.

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The energizers are never going to show OU themselves...!!! The OU shows up in the batteries
energy capacity. They last longer and take less time to charge - until they get to the point of getting
4 or more charges for the price of one!! The sooner EVERYONE understands that, the better.
This important fact needs to be understood by anyone embarking on this project. The expectation
that it (the energizer) is an over-unity device has led to some misunderstandings previously.
John B. designed the Trifilar SG with the Capacitor Pulser and SSG variants as ‘proof of concept’ to
demonstrate and prove his method of capturing radiant energy and get the world to understand that
it is the high potential, almost currentless pulses that the different variations of energizer put out, that
causes what happens within the charged batteries. This is very important. This is where the radiant
energy manifests itself, and what ‘conditions’ the batteries.
The process that occurs in these batteries is referred to as conditioning. Once conditioned, the
batteries last longer and take less time to charge, etc... Other benefits are that they will not wear out
by sulfate buildup that usually occurs with standard DC charged batteries. They do not suffer from
the depletion of water by evaporation from heat, generated by the charging process the way
conventionally charged batteries do.
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The machine you are building will bring down the impedance of the battery. This is how the
conditioning takes place, it drops the internal impedance of the cells, and no real current is
needed to charge the battery this way. This lowering of the batteries impedance occurs as a
result of the crystals in the plate material changing size as the battery charges and
discharges, becoming smaller as the conditioning process continues.
• Conventional DC charging/discharging of a battery generally leads to these crystals
becoming larger over a period of time and not dissolving so readily. In a sulfated battery,
these crystals have grown so large that the electrolyte is less able to react with the battery
plates, the impedance rises and you have a battery that cannot hold a charge. Thus, with any
of the variations of Bedini energizer conditioning process, these crystals get smaller and
smaller, lowering the impedance of the batteries and enabling them to hold more charge.
• A point will be reached where these crystals will become smaller than when the battery was
brand new. At this stage the batteries start to develop a negative curvature of space/time
around the crystals and plates. Further ‘conditioning’ with the energizer will result in the
batteries lasting longer and longer on the load tests and taking less and less time to charge,
and having a higher Standing Voltage, 4 hours after a Full Charge.
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This is another "little secret" of the battery industry. By limiting the voltage
that most battery chargers provide to 14.8 volts, they know that the
batteries will only last for a certain number of cycles, because a small
amount of the sulfate ions are (purposely) being left in the plates at the end
of each charge.
So, repeated, incomplete charging is what causes most batteries to fail. A
Lead-acid battery that is charged to a finishing voltage at the end of each
charge cycle can easily operate for 5,000 charge and discharge cycles, which
is over 15 years of service. This is how to make your batteries last a very
long time.
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Old 01-26-2018, 01:56 AM
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SkyWatcher I spent a week trying to recondition a 3 year old automotive battery. It was one of a matched set of 4 I used on a tesla switch which I did not get working. I have finally gotten it charging again using a capacitive discharge charger I found on the web. I did run your first charger in the post on a 2nd battery with good results and will now be trying to condition all 4 of these batteries. The second battery began giving more run time with less charge time so that is a first for me. This post is just to let you know that there may be many more out there following along without posting a lot.
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Old 01-27-2018, 04:46 AM
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Hi iflewmyown, thanks for sharing, glad you're having good results so far.
I'm still conditioning the main test battery and the one that would not hold a charge, taken out of our tractor, using the stingo type circuit.
The meissner circuit is a good one to use also.
I'm just writing down the data as i go and will be posting some more of that at some point, to show any changes so far.
The main testing battery has been through 16 condition cycles so far.
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Old 03-15-2018, 01:46 AM
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Hi all, I've been continuing to cycle the batteries, then i decided to make some tests with different voltage inputs, with and without ferrite tube core.
I've been using the meissner oscillator variant.
This oscillator can be tuned by the 2 resistors and capacitor.
I tried a lithium ion cell, 3.8 volts input, then tried the usual 12 volt input, then 19 volts input, then 31 volts input.
I tuned and tested all these input voltages with the 4 strands in parallel, the other one being used for the oscillator feedback wire.
Then i made tests with the 4 primary strands in series.
This seemed to give a higher output for the same input, by tuning the oscillator to maintain the same input wattage.
Then i decided to compare this series wired, 31 volt input setup with ferrite tube core and compare with the rene emf charger.
This places the oscillator inline between the negatives of the input source and 12 volt charge battery.
So the oscillator is using around 18 volts and i tuned the oscillator to use the same wattage as as the previous circuit setup, around 5 watts on the killiwatt meter, the actual circuit draw is about .7 watts less.

The rene emf charger is charging better than the previous circuit, at same input wattage, though the charging output does taper off a little more towards the end, though that is probably a good thing.
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Old 03-19-2018, 12:08 AM
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Hi all, I've modified the circuit a little more, testing out something similar to Lawrence Tseung's fleet device.
I pulled out the core, so air coil now.
Also wired 2 of the primary strands in parallel as the primary of oscillator.
Then used the other 2 strands in series as a secondary induced coil and placed the 3 parallel diodes off one of the wire ends to the 12 volt charge battery.
Also tuned the circuit to use the same wattage as previously.
It does seem to be charging better.
I also realized, using the previous circuit, i had the 6 Kohm resistor from the base of transistor, going to the negative of the 12 volt charge battery and it still worked, not sure if that is better or not.
So i connected the base resistor connection to the positive of the positive input source as shown and it works well.
The information on Lawrence Tseung's fleet device is in patrick kelly's latest pdf book, though uses the joule thief circuit as the oscillator.
Thoughts or questions welcome.
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Edit: ok, when connecting the base connection as shown in drawing, i have found the input watts starts to increase when the 12 volt charge battery gets over 13.5 volts.
So maybe it is better to connect base connection to the negative of the 12 volt charge battery, in this rene configuration. It is up to you, whomever may be trying these circuits I'm posting.
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Hi all, here is an updated circuit of the one I'm testing now.
It also seems to increase in watt input, when charge battery goes above 14 volts, though much less than other base wiring connection.
Charging rate is very good.
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Hi all, just an update on a further modification.
I was looking at the Lawrence Tseung’s Magnetic Frame device shown in patrick kellys latest pdf book.
So I decided to slide the ferrite tube core back into the coil, then attached a 1/8" thick 1" diameter neo magnet to one end of the core.
I then observed the killawatt meter as i would slide the core in and out.
I found a spot that maintained the same input as using just air coil mode and i noticed the battery started charging much faster.
Your thoughts welcome.
I'll continue to test this.
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Hi Sky,

nice work you got there, looks like you hit a resonant point.
I'm also been charging different sized batteries for a while now.
The best result I've had was with a big multi layered coil pulsed, I could charge AA and AAA batteries that requires overnight charging in a matter of hours and I could charge even Non-Rechargeable Batteries!.. that is only on alkaline batteries.., I do not own a conventional 12v battery charger so I wouldn't know the difference between 12v batteries.

I have used it for 3 good years until the transistors wear out... well they don't have any heatsink .. and that was a really crude build..

You know what I realized?.. that I have been missing the Really good part in this... and I think you are too..

That is the Mechanical Energy we can get from such a system, without deferring the charge efficiency...
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Hi ricards, thanks for kind words.
Yes, i think by sliding the core to find sweet spot and the magnet not being too strong, i can hear it sing very nicely and the charging on the 12 volt battery has increased significantly.
I prefer solid state, though have built many mechanical ones in the past, what did you have in mind.

I think i see what you are thinking, if we can tune it with an adjustable core and use a permanent magnet attached to the core, we can get shaft power without affecting the input maybe.
And we can also extract power off a secondary coil on the same coil/core, like my solid state setup may be doing now.

Another observation i see with this soild state setup with ferrite tube core and permanent magnet is, the input watts does not vary at all now, it stays rock soild, when the battery rises to its full charge voltage, which is in the mid 15 volt range.
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Hi all, i forgot to mention, the neo magnet shown on the end of the ferrite tube core, is in attraction mode to the coil magnetic field pulses on that side.
I tested by placing magnet close to coil and could feel either a slight repulsion or attraction.
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Old 03-26-2018, 04:34 PM
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Hi all, after more testing, i didn't see much actual charge into battery advantage with the neo magnet on the end of the core, though sliding the core in or out can be beneficial.
I was testing the mr.preva style circuit on the secondary coil setup and fried my audio transistor.
Now using a TIP3055 for now, seems to be working well.
Also raised the total input voltage to 50 volts and see an increase in efficiency by doing so.
Am able to get 74.8% of the power through the circuit and that does NOT include the flyback captured by the diodes into the charge battery.

I am also pondering this setup and how it could be similar to the reduced lenz drag mechanical setups of turion, etc.
Since the induced secondary is multistrand and in series, it may exhibit similar effects as the mechanical lenz reduction generator coils.
I have one more strand i can place in series, so 3 secondary strands in series.
We certainly can get the frequency high enough to possibly show these effects in solid state form, maybe.
It is odd, because if i wire the 2 secondary strands in parallel, the output is not as good as the 2 strands in series for the same input.
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Hi all, at the moment, i guess i'm experimenting with different oscillator setups to try and get the most efficiency.
This latest circuit, if we subtract the .3 amps showing as idle current on my power supply, this circuit is 76 percent efficient.
Of course that does not include the flyback capture into the 12 volt charge battery.
If we assume at least 50 percent recovery, that might be a 1.14 coefficient.
Here is latest circuit.
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Hi all, I'm working on a new coil to use.
I have twelve bolts wound with 24awg. magnet wire to use for a 12 strand coil.
I also made a paper tube core/coil former, so i can slide in a ferrite tube if i want to test with core or without.
The idea, is to use 1 strand for oscillator feedback, 2 strands in parallel for oscillator primary and the other 9 strands for experimenting with different secondary wiring arrangements.
One thing i want to try, is wiring all 9 parallel strands in series, to see if any solid state analogy can be achieved, like turions series, multistrand mechanical generator, that speeds up under load.
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Hi all, here's a pic of the new 12 strand coil with core and the previous coil for size difference.
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Hi all, been testing the new 12 strand coil.
I tested the 2 strand primary, with 3 sets of 3 strands in series, with each series set to its own diode, then into charge battery, that worked ok
Then made another test, i placed the 3 series sets in parallel, into a single diode, then into the charge battery, that worked a little better maybe.
Next test, i wired all 11 strands in parallel, then a single diode from collector into charge battery.
That makes a total 272 milliohms primary coil resistance or less.
This wiring configuration has worked the best so far, at 31 volt input power supply.
All these comparison tests were tuned to a very similar input wattage.

Other wiring configurations to try, 2, 4, or 6 strands in parallel as oscillator primary, then 9, 7 or 5 strands in parallel as secondary with diode into charge battery.
Another test might be multiple parallel primary strands, with a varied number of secondary strands in series, though a full wave bridge into a different load other than a battery.
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edit: am testing 4 parallel strand primary and 7 parallel strand secondary with single diode into charge battery and it seems to have even better charging at 31 volt input. Though it seems the higher input voltage of 50 volts does seem more efficient.
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Hi all, i went back to 50 volt input and yes, the efficiency is higher.
About 75 percent of the power goes through the circuit and into the 12 volt charge battery, compared to around 53 percent using the 31 volt input.

I do wonder if going even higher in input voltage would increase the efficiency further.
And it does not seem to matter if the ferrite core is used or not, the higher voltage allows more of the input power to flow through the circuit.

Maybe the higher voltage allows the short pulses to saturate the copper coil material to a greater degree and this enables more current to flow per pulse, giving greater efficiency, or maybe i should say, the coil reaches a closer to steady state, non changing magnetic field, thus less counter emf to impede current flow in the given time of each pulse.
Or, we also have a little bit of the Joseph Newman effect, where the copper atoms are aligned more efficiently with the higher voltage.

Does this make sense to anyone observing this thread, thoughts appreciated.

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Hi all, update on large coil tests.
I'm using all 11 strands in parallel as the oscillator primary in this latest test, with 2 diodes in parallel off the collector of transistor to 12 volt charge battery and using the ferrite tube core.
I am now using my 400 watt boost converter as the input power supply, so i can raise the voltage even further to test any efficiency increases.

When using an input voltage of 50.6 volts from power supply, the efficiency is 72.5 percent, of course not including flyback recovery, actual voltage shown flowing through oscillator is around 35 volts.

On this latest test, using 60.1 volts from power supply, the efficiency has increased to
77.5 percent, actual voltage shown flowing through oscillator is around 46 volts.

These tests are tuned to use close to the same input wattage, by adjusting resistor values in oscillator circuit.
I find these results promising, i will continue to raise the voltage by 10 volt increments and tune and share the data with you folks.
I think this boost converter can only reach around 90 volts though.
Comments welcome.
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Large coil higher voltage test update

Hi all, the results at 70.2 volts dc input, is showing increased efficiency.

The actual voltage through oscillator circuit is 57.2 volts at .07 amps.

That is 4 watts flowing through the circuit into the charge battery and 4.91 watts being input.

Efficiency is now 81.5 percent, not including flyback recovery.
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Hi all, latest test using 80.2 volts dc input.

The efficiency of the circuit has increased further.

It has increased to 84 percent.

Actual voltage through oscillator is 67.4 volts.

Current flowing through circuit is .06 amps.

Also had to wire another neon in series with neon across transistor collector, because the higher voltage was causing it to conduct.

I also have a capacitor in parallel with each of the resistors shown in the circuit drawing, it helps to adjust frequency and lower input.

Also, I'm finding the circuit to charge very efficiently, have been using a 12 volt led bulb to discharge the 12 volt battery and observing watt hours used, then can compare to watt hours placed back in and so on.

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