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Old 11-17-2017, 08:13 AM
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Today I received a recording of John Bedini at the Tesla Centennial Symposium in Colorado Springs - September of 1984. This was where John first presented the 3BSTP (Three Battery Split the Positive) concept - reportedly with AA NiCads and a little motor in a cigar box.


Toby Grotz is retired electrical engineer and still a Free Energy researcher and advocate. He has been to India to meet with Paramahansa Tewari and his Lenz Free generator.



Toby was the organizer and MC of the Tesla Centennial Symposium in Colorado Springs in 1984 - celebrating 100 years since Tesla came to the US, September (was it the 11th?!?!) of 1884. As most of us know, Tesla spent about a year in Colorado Springs circa 1899, and first demonstrated wireless power transmission.



The scene from The Prestige recreates Tesla transmitting power to a plethora of light bulbs on a hillside above Colorado Springs. They reportedly just had one wire sticking up like a vertical aerial, and a stake driven into the ground for the other terminal of the bulb. Tesla was transmitting the power from a dome shaped radiator above his lab. So it is quite cosmically fitting that John Bedini would present the 3BSTP at this centennial Tesla celebration. (Jim Watson was also there and presented his replication of Bedini's Kromrey Converter or G-Field Generator. See: 20Â* Bedini and I have asked Toby for any and all info he has or can find on Watson's presentation. He remembers him being there.

My hearing is very poor and the audio is very bad in this recording of Bedini at the Centennial, but I'm hopeful that it can be boosted and cleaned up and transcribed. If you would like to aid in this endeavor, please send me your e-mail addy via PM here, and I will get the ~99 Megs file to you via We Transfer. The recording might be a treasure.

As 3 researchers, Matt, Desa and Turion have reported that their 3BSTP systems stabilized - achieved stasis - and ran the motor WITHOUT discharging the batteries, and without needing to rotate them, it lends credence to what John Bedini told Peter Lindemann - that the Cigar Box POC (Proof of Concept) ran its tiny motor for 6 months after the '84 symposium, until a "visitor" to his lab smashed it when John left the room for a minute.
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Good one

Good idea,
Nice start for a subject without end. I've very much enjoyed the "musings" Duncan has graced this forum and my mind.

We (mostly Duncan) touched on the crystalline structures of batteries some time ago after I'd posted a youtuber of a single sulfated "dead" battery which powered two (?) 50 watt bulbs and pulsed with 6~9 vdc. This was the battery in postion #3 of Turions 3BGS setup after running for a period of time.

That event tilted my windmills and solidified my belief of "free energy".

I'll not clutter here, but will be hanging on each word as you, Duncan, and others attempt to unravel then reassemble this mystery.

Big fan of teachings and subject,
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Is "The Prestige" a movie or series? Where can one find that?
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The Prestige was a movie basically about Magicians
You can go to youtube.com and do a search for the “The Prestige” and view the trailer.
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Tesla was transmitting the power from a dome shaped radiator above his lab.
Just in the interests of anti-misinformation for future readers who may come along, Tesla was transmitting energy from the iron ground rods buried in the ground beneath his lab That's why the bulbs are connected to the earth.

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The Prestige (2006) - IMDb

It's not bad as a film but it makes Tesla out to be some sort of time travelling magician more than an electrical engineer and scientist, the truth is always less exciting It's available to stream for free here, but they make up for it with adverts and popups

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Just in the interests of anti-misinformation for future readers who may come along, Tesla was transmitting energy from the iron ground rods buried in the ground beneath his lab That's why the bulbs are connected to the earth.


Thanks Doc, Indeed it's pretty well known that St. Nikola had a huge ground system below his Long Island Lab and Magnifying Transmitter tower at Wardenclyffe and he learned the need for this at his Colorado Springs Experimental Station in 1899. Good account here (grammar and spelling notwithstanding.)
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wow Jim you said the audio was poor ah well a bit at a time
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Satyam108,
Do you have a link to the J. Bedini recording ? Or could you pm it to me?

Can we build a version of a cigar box for discussion here. I'll be using li-ion batteries instead of nicads. I have an assortment of RS motors to use. Doubt J. Bedini had a modified Matt motor. Not sure the date Matthew Jones shared the modified motor but, sure it was after JB's cigar box.

Would be greatly appreciated,
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Study of Tesla gives me the heebie Jeebies he seems to have carried most things in his head and the rest has been treated to smoke and mirrors. Each time I delve into NT more interesting enigma's turn up. here's a few that I'll point to and the questions they raise .
1/ Death certificate not available (apparently) was poor O'l NT bumped off ? (he certainly wouldn't be the last FE researcher to get potted even if he was)
Farinelli was a singer who was separated from his balls in order to preserve his voice (castrato). It is suggested by no less an authority than Andrija Puharich that are hero Tesla was also 'Nutless' perhaps to remove sexual 'urges' and so concentrate on his research ?
I often wonder if some readers and contributers to energetics I would be very happy to name might like to urgently consider the same procedure ? (in the interests of science)
https://vimeo.com/4935037
It also seems that Tesla as a bankrupt pigeon loving pauper might be something of a charade too! - kind regards Duncan
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1/ Death certificate not available (apparently) was poor O'l NT bumped off ?
I know you aren't responsible for starting this one, but... Why? He was at the end of his life, not doing any scientific work. So what's the point? He wasn't dying fast enough so they thought they'd raise suspicion and bring attention to themselves by killing him even though he might have died of natural causes the next day anyway? I don't think government agencies are that incompetent.

Also, the free energy that Tesla spoke of was to use a river and other such natural sources to turn a turbine. Hardly worth getting killed over. School children are building such things. It's just a pity that no one recognises it and go off searching for magic instead.

There's no basis for Tesla getting killed, no one listens to him anyway.

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Heh.

You would think that all Tesla mysteries would be solved by now considering how many experts are out there who know all about him Or is it they who create the mysteries
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- Just for the sake of argument the 'at the end of his life' might not have been his idea at all,even though of course he was getting pretty ripe at 86. Some wear 86 well and are still bright as a button .
Also it would seem that a possible 'might be' was the top floor of his hotel the new yorker was a fully equipped laboratory. After all WW2 was in progress and any tit bits Tesla might contribute to the effort would have been welcomed I dare say.
The fully equipped laboratory is stated as fact by Thomas Joseph Brown in the borderlands science documentary on NT along with much else not generally known regarding Nicky
https://vimeo.com/19577546
True or not ? I wouldn't know. Why Kill the guy? perhaps he'd decided to transmit information or publish, again I wouldn't know still all are possibilities with a guy who's work is intentionally covered in smoke and mirrors and enigma's .There's so much smoke and confusion around this guy and everything he touched it certainly has the stench of government agent interference about it. What's true and what isn't ? who knows but there's certainly plenty smoke
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Do you have a link to the J. Bedini recording ? Or could you pm it to me?

Can we build a version of a cigar box for discussion here. I'll be using li-ion batteries instead of nicads. I have an assortment of RS motors to use. Doubt J. Bedini had a modified Matt motor. Not sure the date Matthew Jones shared the modified motor but, sure it was after JB's cigar box.

Would be greatly appreciated,
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PM me your e-mail addy and I will send you the 100 meg file by We Transfer.

I have already made a 3BSTP with LiMn cells (not truly a battery as defined) but was using some old cordless drill motors - one for pulse motor (see attached for pulsing) turning the other as generator. The drill motors draw too much current, so I will redo it with a tiny permanent magnet motor and can probably fit it into a Cigar Box. I will post that as time allows (working on a BIG 3BSTP system with 5 (3 working, 2 resting) HEAVY 35 AH SLA batteries and have two used Razor motors now.)

By all means, please DO a Cigar Box replication as well and post your results here.

I'm hopeful that by rotating the batteries (in the Cigar Box) the way that JB specified - just once - that they will then reach the stasis/stability that Dave, Matt and Desa have found - and that the CB version will continue to run a long time as Dr. Lindemann said that John Bedini told him - that his Cigar Box unit ran for 6 months after the TCS in 84, until it was sabotaged.

For my larger version I'm designing Arduino UNO battery swapping control and also data logging of volts and amps across and into; the series batteries, the motor, the battery being charged, and across the negative rail between the series charging batteries and the battery being charged.

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PM me your e-mail addy and I will send you the 100 meg file by We Transfer.

I have already made a 3BSTP with LiMn cells (not truly a battery as defined) but was using some old cordless drill motors - one for pulse motor (see attached for pulsing) turning the other as generator. The drill motors draw too much current, so I will redo it with a tiny permanent magnet motor and can probably fit it into a Cigar Box. I will post that as time allows (working on a BIG 3BSTP system with 5 (3 working, 2 resting) HEAVY 35 AH SLA batteries and have two used Razor motors now.)

By all means, please DO a Cigar Box replication as well and post your results here.

I'm hopeful that by rotating the batteries (in the Cigar Box) the way that JB specified - just once - that they will then reach the stasis/stability that Dave, Matt and Desa have found - and that the CB version will continue to run a long time as Dr. Lindemann said that John Bedini told him - that his Cigar Box unit ran for 6 months after the TCS in 84, until it was sabotaged.

For my larger version I'm designing Arduino UNO battery swapping control and also data logging of volts and amps across and into; the series batteries, the motor, the battery being charged, and across the negative rail between the series charging batteries and the battery being charged.

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Jim,
I sent you a pm.

I've assembled a small pack of 4 lithium-ion batteries with connections for a cigar sized(?) setup. I not sure how to balance the timing of the battery switching or the load of the motor. I'm guessing the only way to reach stasis/stability is testing and adjustments.

My larger 115 ah marine 4 battery setup is a little different. 2 primary, 1 charging and parallels the buffer battery connected to run a 1000 watt inverter. Also have a modified Matt motor moving a modified Matt motor generator.

I'm not trained to program an Arduino setup. J. Bedini cigar box schematic(good friend sent me) shows a SG 1524 transistor controlling the switching. Again above my pay grade. I'll build a rotating vertical pipe type switch similar to Joseph Newman build.

Will post any progress/pics as I can. Am I correct that the Tesla Switch was a fast switching apparatus when our 3BGS needs a slower "as charging is needed" switching?

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Jim,

I've assembled a small pack of 4 lithium-ion batteries with connections for a cigar sized(?) setup. I not sure how to balance the timing of the battery switching or the load of the motor. I'm guessing the only way to reach stasis/stability is testing and adjustments.

I'm not trained to program an Arduino setup. J. Bedini cigar box schematic(good friend sent me) shows a SG 1524 transistor controlling the switching. Again above my pay grade. I'll build a rotating vertical pipe type switch similar to Joseph Newman build.

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Hi wantomake,
I just sent you the audio file - sorry for the delay. Too much life gets in the way of living it....

On my Cigar Box replication, I plan to just do the battery rotation manually - keep an eye on the voltages. Will try it first of all as close to the reported original as possible - not even resting batteries. If I understand it correctly, and hopefully this will come out in the '84 recording, he just started with a dead battery in the "being charged" position, and two charged ones in series for running the motor and charging the dead battery. Then went 1 time thru the sequence shown here.


Again, if I understand the NetLore correctly, and trust what JB told PL - that it ran for 6 months after the Tesla Centennial demo - then I expect mine to do that as well. If it does or doesn't - either way I will learn something.

I'd be interested in the schematic you have with the transistor. Please post?

I'm only doing the Arduino control and data logging on the BIG unit I'm building. Part of Life and Living It today was about 90 minutes at coffee shop figuring out demultiplexer circuits to control the 30 MOSFETs it will take to rotate the batteries. 6 for each of 5 batteries. I will probably have to get another UNO to do the data logging. But they're cheap. LOTS of good sketches - the Arduino programs are called - are available in a variety of support groups and lone wolves. Today I got some Hall Effect current sensors to test to see if they will work in this setup.


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Jim,
Thanks for the audio. Tried to listen to some this morning over coffee. But life has needs too. My shop and forum time is limited every day. After retiring thought there would be more free time.


Will try to post that schematic this afternoon if possible.

Thanks for clear explanation of your cigar box experiments. That's much easier than my idea.

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John Bedini 1984 Tesla Symposium Presentation on his Tesla Switch

Hello Jim. In my next post following is a transcription of the second half of the audio file which contains John Bedini's demonstration and talk on his cigar box sized 'Tesla Switch', as John named it. The audio is pretty bad in many places, so I may have errors in my transcription. I indicated in the transcription where I didn't understand or wasn't too sure about what was said. I hope I don't have too many errors. Maybe some people can post corrections or help fill in parts that I couldn't understand, if they want. I am going to try to post the transcription in my next post because there is a 12,000 character limit per post, and I was over 12,000 characters with this comment and the transcription in the same post.

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John Bedini 1984 Tesla Symposium Presentation on his Tesla Switch

Starting at 32:21 in the audio recording:

John Bedini:
Ok, let's get into this box a little bit here.
What I want to do is take a scewdriver out and...
How many engineers do we have out there in the audience?
Can you raise your hands?

Come up here Eike.
<thump> <thump> {unintelligible comment away from the mic}
<thump> <thump> Hey if an amplifier can't take that, {that's about?} what happens... <laughing>
That's one hell of a DC pulse. Boom! <laughing> Yeah.

I'm going to have to take this thing apart in front of you all.
{unintelligible} Maybe I can get it on this {unintelligible}.
There you go. How's that?
Eike you can't... You can't bend this around because it's got a little antenna wire on it, but you can see what's in the box. It's {garbage?}
<Someone asks a question which is not intelligible.>

John Bedini:
{unintelligible}
{unintelligible}
<Some more voices way in the background>

John Bedini:
Yeah, you can see what's in the box, and what it amounts to here is a bunch of switches and...
<Some more voices in the background.>
<Some more thumps and John says something about the amplifier again.>
{unintelligible}
So what it amounts to is we've got a bunch of switching transistors here...
<More voices way in the background.>
And a {unintelligible}...
See these little {clamps?} over here, {unintelligible...}, {You get a spike?}.
That's very close to the way your nervous system works.

There's four battery banks here, if anyone has a schematic diagram.
Which is running around the {unintelligible}.
The real inventor of this circuit is Ronald Brandt, and he powered an electric car with it.
I'm not telling you to do that, but that's what he did with it.
I wanted to test the {Circuit? theory?}.
I wanted to see, does the {Circuit? theory?} work?
Does it produce the zero energy, because the measurements are going to tell me.

What I've got here is, I've got one, two, three, four, five, six transistors {unintelligible}.
{unintelligible}
I'm losing about two to three volts when I switch it.
{unintelligible} there's an excess of energy on the battery while the load is being driven, and no voltage appropriate to charge these batteries on this {these?} {unintelligible}.
What I'm going to do is get it into operation here.
I'm going to let Eike measure it and give you the readings.

These are nicads, I wouldn't suggest that you use nicad batteries if you build this circuit because I had a lot of problems {unintelligible}.
So what I've done is very conveniently limited the current on these nicads by these LEDs right here.
{unintelligible} You can see that these batteries are pulsing backwards and forwards.
In other words, what you've got is ten Volts on one side in a series condition, and five Volts on the other side in a parallel condition, okay?

Then you got a pulse width regulator in here {unintelligible} we can use the flip flop out of it...
to trigger these transistors through these transformers, so that the circuit goes backwards and forward between a series and parallel condition.
And we are pulling our power off the negative terminals.
Which does amount to zero {unintelligible} four {unintelligible}.

Now, do you see those LEDs are pretty bright, and they're on the verge of they wouldn't last too long.
Uh, you try to limit, when you try to build circuits with LEDs you try to keep it just under that so you don't burn them out.
But this thing just keeps {picking?} up {unintelligible} faster and faster and faster {unintelligible}.
That's why I {keep?} it {unintelligible}.

Okay, so what I want to do is take a measurement of the battery, and I'll have Eike do that.
{unintelligible, John said something to Eike}
{Unlike? I'm like?} all the engineers out there, you know, I like to build things, I like to find out what's really going on.
{unintelligible} I like to have the measurements, but when the measurements lie to me, I begin to question the measurements, and these measurements lie.

Because definitely you don't run motors, and you don't switch circuits, and have the batteries stay above what normally they are supposed to be rated at, which is five Volts.
Uh, Let me just {unintelligible} ...
What I'm going to do, ... I'm going {unintelligible} {quickly?} {because?} one bank is {unintelligible},
on one of the battery banks, to measure the voltage on the battery bank.
Okay, and then {unintelligible} ... what's going on here.

Under load, we're going to run the machine under load. {unintelligible}
{Mumbles something.}
A DC motor. A {unintelligible, slot car?} motor, okay? It draws an Amp, to a good two Amps.
Make no mistake about it. {unintelligible They'd burn up in a second?} if you were to put it on the battery bank.
{unintelligible}

Okay Eike, what are those nicad batteries sitting at right there...?
Eike: {unintelligible} three three Volts. [5.33V?]
Is that above the charge voltage? The battery banks are five Volts, normally.
These are Radio Shack batteries, so I know, I measured them many times.
They never go above, they're always below. <laughter>.
Thats why you get them for the price that you get them for. <laughing.>

Anybody can read that, they're sitting at five three three, the machine's off, okay?
We're going to turn the machine on, the machine is running.
Okay, the oscillator pulls about three tenths of an Amp.
The work that's being expended here is to charge both battery banks, and also charge the oscillator's battery bank, which is the red LED.

Does it keep going back up?
Eike: Yeah, five point three one, three two.
It's not going down though, right?
Eike: No.
In other words, not below five.
Eike: No. {unintelligible}
So, conveniently, what I want to do is take some power out of this thing, right?
Just to prove that this switching arrangement works, I'm going to put some kind of load on it.
Now we got a load on it, and it wants to climb a little bit upward, doesn't it Eike?
Eike: Yes, yes.

Okay, you see the pulse on the thing here?
The pulses aren't fast enough at this point in time to couple. Okay?
But they're going to couple now. And then we're going to put it in high gear and take the oscillator {out?} {up?}, and that thing is going to {unintelligible, take off?}.

Now you want to hear what's going into that motor? <Some noise is heard>
You gotta {unintelligible, play?}, Eike, what's in line here, a rectifier and capacitor, right?
Eike: Yeah.
You see there's no DC at that motor whatsoever, it's AC.
Eike says something: {unintelligible, You turn it around, you can hear it?}
And it just keeps right on going.
Now Eike, are the batteries going under five Volts under load?
Eike: No. Same {unintelligible}.
They're charging a little bit, huh?
Eike: Yes. <laughs>

Well, that's one demonstration you can make, to make that circuit, that might just change your way of thinking.
<Voice in the background, someone asking a question...>
Five point two seven.
Eike: That's right.
And holding.
Eike: Yep.
Not below five yet. We're just going to let it sit here.

Let's take it down a little bit so it has {unintelligible}.
{unintelligible, You just touch something around here, you can feel it?}
It's giving off quite a...
Okay, we'll just let it pulse down there Eike, and let it go for a little bit.
Is it going upward Eike, or down?
Eike: {unintelligible, Upward?}
It's in a charge {unintelligible, work?} condition right now, it's still running the motor.
Are the batteries going up or down?
Eike: Going up. Five three two.

That just goes to prove that you can't measure the zero energy.
It has to be coupled into something, and it has to exert an electromagnetic wave before you can convert it and send it back to the battery.
So it has to go through the load. It has to go into something where it can couple together.
At which point in time, it's going to charge the battery.
Because there's no way that you're going to charge... You don't have to hold that Eike...
There's no way that you're going to charge these nicad batteries through these two LEDs.
They're in line there just so I don't explode the batteries.

You can take this machine, and up at this level it's charging those batteries pretty good.
You see nicads do not like to take a fast charge, but they take a real slow charge like this.
If you pulse them real slow.

Now, what are the batteries doing Eike?
Eike: Stable still. Five three. Going up a little bit. Yeah.
And they will continue to go up, and continue to go up, and continue to go up, until they burst.
This is why the circuit must be made with a lead acid type battery, and preferably something like a gel cell.
The transformers are Radio Shack, a dollar a piece.
Switching regulator is a Signetics 3584 pulse width modulator.

Now, something very peculiar here.
What I want to do here Eike is show you what the charge across the batteries is, and that's why {unintelligible}, so you want to measure that?
Eike: Yeah.
Now see if we're really charging those batteries.
Could that definitely charge the battery?
Eike: Yes <laughing>
Huh?
Eike: Yeah.
But is it lower than the battery bank?
Eike: Yes, it's lower. Between three point seven Volts and four point one.
Now how do you charge a five Volt battery bank with three Volts?
Eike: <laughing>
Okay. You can't do it. There's no way you can do it.

Audience member: What kind of meter have you got?
<laughing>
{unintelligible}
It's a...
Audience member: Radio Shack
No, it's not a Radio Shack. <laughter>
It's a, uh, it's a Leader LDMA 55.

But you can see that the switching circuit is going nutty a little bit here, right Eike?
Eike: Yeah.
Okay, so now let's go over here Eike, and put the load on here over here, and let's measure and see if we got any AC out there. Through the rectifier.
Okay I'm on AC now. So what you want to do is
Audience member: Is it current?
Voltage. On the motor.
Eike: On the motor.
Eike: {unintelligible}

Now you can take the scale down this way, just by pushing the Range.
Eike: Okay.
So what have we got there Eike?
Eike: Point O two five Volts AC.
Now the motor runs on one and a half Volts.
So now we're going to turn this up a little bit. Now what have we got Eike?
Eike: Point one O five Volts {unintelligible, weird?} <laughing>

That's Radio Shack too. Don't buy those. <laughing>
There you go.

Okay now were going to put <weird noise> {unintelligible, the sound trailed off}
Okay now what have we got there Eike?
Eike: Point O seven.
Now, how can a one and a half volt motor run on that?
<someone in the audience must have asked a question>
Sure. Yep.
Well, we're right across the motor right now with the leads.
Okay we can go on the opposite side if you want.

We can go between the two negative terminals there {unintelligible}.
So what have we got going there Eike?
Eike: {unintelligible} Two point two three.
Two point two three loaded.
Now what happens if we take off the load.
Eike {Not clear but sounds like maybe 'three point two nine, three point three'}
Now, let's see what kind of DC we got out of there.
I like to do the measurements. <Laughing>
Eike: Three point four.
{unintelligible, sounds like maybe 'So, how can that be?'}

So anyway, build the circuit guys. It'll do exactly like this box.
It'll run the load, run the motor, and you'll watch the batteries charge while you do it.
And if you do it quick enough, the faster you go with this, the higher you go, the faster the battery will charge.
So make sure you got a pretty good size lead acid battery.
Otherwise, there's a possibility of an explosion.
And with that, thank you all for coming.
<Applause>

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Starting at 32:21 in the audio recording:

John Bedini:
Ok, let's get into this box a little bit here.
What I want to do is take a scewdriver out and...
How many engineers do we have out there in the audience?
Can you raise your hands?

Come up here Eike.
<thump> <thump> {unintelligible comment away from the mic}
<thump> <thump> Hey if an amplifier can't take that, {that's about?} what happens... <laughing>
That's one hell of a DC pulse. Boom! <laughing> Yeah.

Eike must be Eike Mueler, who visited John at his lab in LA after the Tesla Centennial and did what John recommended - building this "Tesla Switch" (Bedini has admitted that he has no idea how it came to be called that) with lead acid batteries. i have read Eike's account of that several times - first on John's Icehouse pages.

I wonder if Eike is still around? If anyone knows how to contact him? He could probably add a lot of clarification.

The other major thing this brings out is that what JB showed at TCS in Sept. '84 was NOT the 3BSTP pictured in the diagram at the top of this thread. So where did this 3BSTP thing start? I remember Peter L. writing that John made it to explain (firstly to himself, I'm sure) how and why the "Tesla Switch" (4 5 volt NiCd's?) works.

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Eike must be Eike Mueler, who visited John at his lab in LA after the Tesla Centennial and did what John recommended - building this "Tesla Switch" (Bedini has admitted that he has no idea how it came to be called that) with lead acid batteries. i have read Eike's account of that several times - first on John's Icehouse pages.

I wonder if Eike is still around? If anyone knows how to contact him? He could probably add a lot of clarification.

The other major thing this brings out is that what JB showed at TCS in Sept. '84 was NOT the 3BSTP pictured in the diagram at the top of this thread. So where did this 3BSTP thing start? I remember Peter L. writing that John made it to explain (firstly to himself, I'm sure) how and why the "Tesla Switch" (4 5 volt NiCd's?) works.
Hello Jim. Yes, Eike Mueller. Eike visited Bedini a short time after the 1984 Tesla Symposium and they did some further testing together with this type of arrangement. John Bedini has said he named this device the 'Tesla Switch' himself, because he said he thought it was based on Tesla's ideas. The three battery setup was just to explain the principle behind it. I think John Bedini said Ron Brandt was a friend of Jim Watson, so that is how Bedini made contact with Ron Brandt. Some people have said Ron Brandt was an associate of Tesla, but I believe Bedini said Ron Brandt was actually a friend of Jim Watson.

P.S.: Be aware that in the presentation John Bedini said the switching controller was a Signetics 3584, but elsewhere John has said it was an SG3524.

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this photo on JIMDO.com belies the photo still from the movie The Prestige, (see above) but I guess 3 lamps lit 1,000' from Tesla's Experimental Station wouldn't be prestigious enough for a movie about illusionists:



https://teslaresearch.jimdo.com/colo...lab-1899-1900/

Someone needs to make a movie of Tesla's Lectures/Presentations at Columbia University, London, and Paris - EXPERIMENTS WITH ALTERNATE CURRENTS OF VERY HIGH FREQUENCY AND THEIR APPLICATION TO METHODS OF ARTIFICIAL ILLUMINATION where he lit bulbs (and I think powered motors?) with one wire, and lit bulbs across a heavy direct short.

THAT would be a great use of film. Tesla's speech at the London equivalent of IEEE is so high and brilliant.
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Hello Jim. Yes, Eike Mueller. Eike visited Bedini a short time after the 1984 Tesla Symposium and they did some further testing together with this type of arrangement. John Bedini has said he named this device the 'Tesla Switch' himself, because he said he thought it was based on Tesla's ideas. The three battery setup was just to explain the principle behind it. I think John Bedini said Ron Brandt was a friend of Jim Watson, so that is how Bedini made contact with Ron Brandt. Some people have said Ron Brandt was an associate of Tesla, but I believe Bedini said Ron Brandt was actually a friend of Jim Watson.

here is an account - I think the first part written by Eike:
IceStuff.com: THE TESLA SWITCH from The Encyclopedia of free energy,energy21.org,energy 21 org ,Geoff Egel

and various photos:
IceStuff.com: John Bedini ENERGY MACHINE PICTURES from The Encyclopedia of free energy,energy21.org,energy 21 org ,Geoff Egel

more here with some of JB's original writings - tribute site:
John Bedini

Jim Watson was at the same Tesla Centennial Celebration/Symposium and demonstrated a big generating system. Toby Grotz told me that he visited Jim later at his home on Cripple Creek and that Jim hadn't been "disappeared" or sold out to big oil - that he had just decided to do other things with his life. Jim was apparently at another convention on alternative energy in Fort Collins, CO in the 90's. Jeane Manning was there as well.

On the '84 recording, someone else I sent the file to said that the first part of the presentation, JB is obviously referring to some slides that are being shown. It would be great to get those slides if they still exist. Anyone know JB's wife? Is her name Rhonda?
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Split the Positive - Eyes on the Prize

I think we need to keep in mind that the important concept - whether NiCads, LiMn,or Lead Acid - is not the type and number of batteries so much as it is to Split the Positive.

Secondly to PULSE the current thru or out of the motor into the battery being charged.

Thanks again Level for the transcription work - probably took HOURS!


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A few of your questions answered including the 'Tesla' connection perhaps .Where did the Tesla switch originate ? My understanding is so --- The design and circuitry which John first saw came from Ronald Brandt (who he?) As you all know the whole area of free energy research is almost obliterated with smoke and mirrors and so I could easily be mistaken Sooo as I understand it Ronald Brandt demonstrated quite a lot of COP+1 machines in the 1970s and 80s . Some reading I'm sure have come across WITTS and its technical demonstrator Sir Timothy Thrapp research will show that Ronald Brandt was a forerunner to that position years ago.
many years prior to Ronald's association with WITTS it seems as a young man he worked as an assistant to non less a personage than Nicola Tesla . It is recorded that Ronald had an electric car that ran on the same principle as the cigar box operation you consider. The batteries energized a B52 starter motor which propelled the car.
Ronald visited John Bedini's workshop and during that visit drew a sketch of the original circuit and switching for John. The circuit was originally done with brushes and slip rings. The brush and slip ring version has been successfully recreated and if memory serves me correctly by GEC labs.
For some reason which John doesn't mention Mrs Bedini didn't much like Ronald in the home or workshop and that made the visit a bit uncomfortable.
Associated with this battery effect almost by accident if you like is EPDs voltage doubler which he talks about in that amazing lecture to radio Hams where he tells us - you turn the thing off and it just keeps running.
Video's -
Timothy Thrapp explaining who Ron Brandt was and the Tesla connection also the battery driven car.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1SYC-lc1730

Ronald Brandt giving a lecture on a motor some 25 years ago (if you'd like a taste of the guys work)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C-2Mye85rFE

EPD classic lecture, The little bit on the switching batteries is 48 min - 50min

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QKggql3aYkc

That voltage doubler is gone into with some detail on another thread on this forum along with its circuit diagram - I haven't come across it yet ! It is after all the basic operating principle of this system I have tried this construct myself without much luck but that certainly doesn't mean anything much
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I just scooped this image from a video tube user "Davy Oneness" video about John Bedini... It explains BEMF and the Spike are additive to each other, this is big news at least to me. Also I think John maybe referring to CEMF when he talks about BEMF in his rotor SG machines. Just so you know I am talking about CEMF, produced from rotored machines which is the counter force that opposes applied voltage, even though I use the term BEMF below. Sorry to confuse.

It is also very interesting when John shows splitting the positive, figure 7, in this diagram he compares it to the example of the in phase differential waveform of figure 6. Also notice the hand drawn scope shot showing the spike plus BEMF in figure 5. It can now be seen that when John mentions splitting the positive he can also be talking about BEMF and the Spike being additive and at a higher energy potential than the supply, or powering battery. Even in EFTV John shows Dave Clements the splitting the positive analogy and even the variablness in size of the wave forms that can be constructed using the splitting the positive scenerio. The Spike plus the BEMF is the key to the pulse driven SG machines ability to overpotentialize and charge the primary battery. The Beginners SG Handbook shows one pulse along one wire back to the primary battery, note there is no secondary battery at all, just a low voltage 9 volt battery powering the device.

All this is comparitive to how John, in unconventional fashion, viewed the typical DC generator waveform as talked about in the 1984 booklet that consisted of his 1984 motor / energizer. Now we can see the other half of the generator that John always said conventional electrical engineers left out of their generator designs. In the book Free Energy Generation how did John view the normal DC generator wave form? Was it the same way as figure 6 but with just the two opposing wave forms being equal in magnitude and in phase? Is the Bedini SG Energizer, in part, a conventional DC generator plus what today's electrical engineers have left out? Which is the ability to use BEMF + the Spike to get a higher potential than the applied voltage and to also float in and out of Lenz's law, so as to partially negate the law and its negative affects regarding power generation.

If the SG fires at 23 degrees or in between the north magnets or at the scalar south... Which is or can be all the same thing then we have limited, which is next to no drag on the SG rotored machine.

I realize there are two different waveforms on this page (typical SG figure 8) and (BEMF + Spike, negative pulse figure 5) but there are also these same two different waveforms on John's zero force motor video when he inserts and or removes the iron tube from the core of the coil...

The image is John Bedini's lab notes from 9/10/06

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you certainly have my attention jettis Kind regards Duncan
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Here is an old thread about the Tesla Switch. Several of us worked on that for quite a while. John Bedini also was active in that thread. He posted many times as we worked to get a working Tesla Switch going. Some of us had limited success. If you can get everything balanced just right it will run for a very long time before something changes and you start losing charge on the batteries. Matt Jones was a big contributor in that thread. He is still active and may be able to help if someone is actually wanting to try and build that circuit.

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Level - I also started to wrestle with that recording and so I know what efforts you have gone to to transcribe it ! Well done, I am only so far into it and you've boshed it - I might just spend some time to try and tease a few more words out.
Hi Carroll I also have had a couple of attempts at this thing and got some pretty good run times but 'no cigar' (excuse the pun) Bedini himself tells us in a tape or paper somewhere that the things a bastard to tune . If what Jettis suspects is right thats understandable trying to hold waveforms on something as volatile as a battery seems a near impossible task to me.
still it also seems that the evidence indicates it has been acheived. The loose cannon again being the variables internal to a battery.
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Here is an old thread about the Tesla Switch. Several of us worked on that for quite a while. John Bedini also was active in that thread. He posted many times as we worked to get a working Tesla Switch going. Some of us had limited success. If you can get everything balanced just right it will run for a very long time before something changes and you start losing charge on the batteries. Matt Jones was a big contributor in that thread. He is still active and may be able to help if someone is actually wanting to try and build that circuit.

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Thanks for that link and for the recap citfta. I will go through and review the thread.

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Thanks Ole friend,
I'm referring only to the right side schematic.

Is this a circuit that places the two battery set on the right in parallel, and the left two batteries in series. Then connects FWBR to negative side of the four?

Then reversed the positions with two batteries on left in parallel, with two right battery set in series, with the FWBR connected to negative side of the four? Also noticed the positives of the parallel and series are connected. (?)


Help me out here I'm still learning. Then isn't this different from the 3BSTP that we've all been testing.

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Thanks for your patience, I just want to understand this circuit which I drew out on paper to get better view.

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