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Old 11-16-2017, 06:54 AM
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very Good Jim -tilting at windmills ? - I don't want to clutter Luc's thread with conjecture although I have plenty to share. Are you aware Jim that crystals 'en mass' can be poled just like a magnetic sample ?
https://www.comsol.com/blogs/piezoel...ing-direction/
I have long pondered if this effect isn't at the heart of the effect we are watching - But even if I am right to make it stable is still a problem
Thanks Duncan, Yes I agree we shouldn't clutter Luc's thread, but as we're at a sort of intermission now - waiting for equipment, materials, and automation for the 2nd round of 3BSTP, hopefully you won't mind a little conjecture Luc? A little trip to the concession stand for some popcorn before the show resumes?

I have attached the first chapter of Gerry Vasilatos' Lost Science on Baron von Richenbach as it has some interesting stuff about magnets, crystals and Od - what the Baron called Aether. The anisotropy - symmetry breaking - in the article you linked is a necessary part of getting "energy from the vacuum" as Bearden would term it, and it seems that Bedini delved pretty deeply into the subject with his crystal battery work:
Crystal Batteries Lecture

Because Aether/Akasha/Space/Primordial Sound/ZPE is "everywhere" - at the finest level of creation - quite a ways back I predicted that tens, then hundreds, and then thousands of ways to "get at" the Aether will be found, and the ones that get adopted, utilized, or brought to market, should logically be the ones that are easiest, cheapest, and safest, while keeping in mind the triumph of VHS over BetaMax. (Yeah that dates me.)

Now in my late 60's and a dozen years tilting at the windmills and dodging the slings and arrows, I have finally realized my Life's Work: Helping to restore The Lost Science of Aether. I'm working on my own 3BSTP R&D, so not going to leave this thread of Luc's to venture into the crystal forest, as I've already learned much from it, but will add another layer of the crystal stuff to one of the pots on a mental back burner. Thanks for bringing it up.
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A tape of John Bedini speaking at the 1984 Tesla Centennial Symposium - where he first introduced 3BSTP in a cigar box has been found.
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Very interesting chapter thanks Jim - I also liked the links to JBs crystal stuff. I have watched the video previous. It's quite important I think to understand John was working in a very hampered fashion. He makes it very clear in his video's and writings. Having been attacked and threatened he obviously came to some sort of working relationship with the powers that be. By extension the same could perhaps be applied to all COP+1 forums . The COP +1 part of the equation isn't really all that hard Its been done and dusted a lot of times and if you study the man instead of the machine it becomes very quickly apparent who and what is true and what is smoke and mirrors.
This documentary which strangely manages get top marking on a website dedicated to 'top documentaries' touches most of the bases regarding COP+1 systems and why we don't have them. I hope you can spare the time to watch it
https://topdocumentaryfilms.com/big-...nquered-world/
So popular was the documentary that James was obliged to follow it up with this -
https://topdocumentaryfilms.com/why-...nquered-world/
I do hope that those reading Jim take the time to watch and become first one in a thousand whilst helping to move the odds to one in a hundred for everyone.
I'm afraid its not a money thing its all about 'control' enslavement to be more precise. That the ambition you wish Jim is coming I haven't any doubt but the reason for that thinking is disturbing Its here
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...mily-s-fortune
The rats are abandoning ship. Of course they will make sure they still hold the strings which control common mortal man.
As regards Bedini's systems demonstrating COP+1 and being able to to self run, hundreds if not thousands of folks have had a jaundice experience attempting that little trick.
Its probably possible but like this prospect there's far to many variables. variables we are not told about.
One of the oddest 'variables' concerns the business JB called 'conditioning' the battery.
The coating on the battery plates changes colour in the process of charging/rejuvenating several times to a light slate gray - very different from normal charging, different stuff , and presumably different characteristics. The trouble with conjecture Jim is for all its fun it also introduces more variables but as you've asked here's my two penn'orth. 1/ since I have seen this effect I have to assume the effect we consider rejuvenation can supply real energy much faster than standard charging. There are many so called de-sulfator circuits available here is one chosen from the many
http://dnp.s3.amazonaws.com/b/b6/201...desulfator.pdf
after a few lines you'll see (as I showed in an earlier video) that its quite possible to find a batteries resonant points . resonance by its electrical definition indicates no real power consumption so in a nutshell its quite possible to have a dramatic effect on batteries whilst using no energy.
Its transient and only part of the curve hence many have seen it but like will O'wisp Its soon gone.
Is it then possible that this quasi Cristal structure could generate power and so usable energy if its driven at a resonant frequency ?
Well to drift a little bit Thomas Trawoger manages to drive a motor from a poled Cristal structure (quartz) inside a pyramid structure . Here is a video of Thomas poling the quartz
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U4ghzrqfBKg&t=37s
Well its my thinking Jim that at some point in the cycle all this has the good grace to come together and perhaps if a battery might be constructed of something more permanent (maybe even quartz) a more permanent demonstration might -- just might be possible . well my two pennies has quickly turned into a shilling and it is just my conjecture on what I have already seen. That cigar box could well be engaged in the same area - kind regards Jim - Duncan
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Old 11-20-2017, 04:41 AM
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Battery Capacity Tests

Hi all,

It's been a bit quiet on the 3 battery tests. I do not have any 3 battery tests to report but I did just run some battery discharge test a few days ago which some here might find useful, or maybe somewhat interesting. A friend has an old Razor e200 he'd like to get running and give to his son. Was able to get the motor/chain drive straightened out to where it could run decent but needed new batteries and charger. So I got a pair of batteries; new lead-acid 12V, 7Ah sealed. Been my experience that it is all too common to get a bad battery even when buying new. So I test them, all.

I use a West Mountain Radio model CBA III tester. It does discharge only at constant current and plots the curve. You are able to select the current, stopping voltage (EOT) and the x-axis for the plot (minutes, Amp Hrs or Watt Hrs). Before each test I fully charge the battery. The plots are attached.

First test was each battery alone at 7 Amperes constant down to 10 Volts. Plotted against Amp Hrs.
#1 did 3.286Ah
#2 did 3.026Ah
This discharge test was at 1C. Results are less than 50% of the rated capacity of 7 Ampere hours. About what I'd expect. Difference between the two samples is typical of commercial batteries of this type at this rate.

Next test, after fully charging both batteries, was a discharge with the two batteries in series for 24V, 7Ah, rated. A 1C rate is in excess of the tester so I ran at C/2, 3.5 Amperes, constant current, down to 21.0V. I ran this test twice shown on the plot as test #1 and test #2. Tests were about 4 hours apart with a relatively fast charge (1C) during that time. So the batteries were likely warmer for test #2 and could explain slightly higher results. Here I selected to plot against minutes. Plot attached.
Test #1 showed about 71 minutes and 4.085Ah.
Test #2 showed about 76 minutes and 4.384Ah.

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Old 11-20-2017, 05:58 AM
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continuation of previous post

{continuation of previous post}

Note the higher capacity (Ampere hours) from these tests at C/2 versus the tests at 1C; almost 33% (4 to 3), attributed to the Peukert's effect.

For the last test, 24 Volts at 3.5 Amperes, I inserted a small Watt meter between the battery and the CBA III tester. It is similar to the units Luc was using on his tests. It showed 4.716Ah (vs 4.384Ah on the CBA III) and 113.7 Watt hours.

Thanks for your attention.

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Old 11-27-2017, 05:09 AM
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Matt Motor.

OK, I couldn't wait any longer.

On November 8, Luc posted a YouTube video of a test he did of a Matt modified motor. It wasn't shared HERE that I know of. If I am wrong, I am sure someone will point it out to me. I believe it was posted at a private forum, although I could be mistaken.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hYcg...ature=youtu.be

In this video he shows the voltage available to the motor on the meter on the power supply, a hand held meter and a scope. When the motor is connected to the power supply, the voltage on all three meters goes UP.

If all three meters show that the voltage goes UP when the motor is connected, does this mean that the motor is OUTPUTTING more than is going into the motor? If NOT, where does that extra voltage come from?
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OK, I couldn't wait any longer.

On November 8, Luc posted a YouTube video of a test he did of a Matt modified motor. It wasn't shared HERE that I know of. If I am wrong, I am sure someone will point it out to me. I believe it was posted at a private forum, although I could be mistaken.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hYcg...ature=youtu.be

In this video he shows the voltage available to the motor on the meter on the power supply, a hand held meter and a scope. When the motor is connected to the power supply, the voltage on all three meters goes UP.

If all three meters show that the voltage goes UP when the motor is connected, does this mean that the motor is OUTPUTTING more than is going into the motor? If NOT, where does that extra voltage come from?


It doesn't seem like the right thing to do by abandoning this thread for
the other site after Luc stated he wished for good results. He is not playing
by the rules. And some of the others who don't talk much may be
encouraging him to go the other way. It looks like you were right after
all Turion man.

We did give Luc every opportunity to take away our doubts about his
being open. Then he tells me, especially me that I should only speak
when spoken to. With the rest of his tin soldiers beating the drum
"away with him".

What a joke. What a back stabbing bunch of hateful people, thats my
take. Thanks Turion, you did it again as usual. "Disinfo agent"?

Didn't you say?

Sneaky Luc, going around behind our backs while we wait tentatively
on his return believing he is honest and forthright. Of course we mean
nothing to him. That secret video is marked NOV 8th and I have been
wondering what happened to Luc for weeks.

Where were all of his attack dogs 3 weeks ago? Maybe they were
invited and saw the whole thing already.


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OK, I couldn't wait any longer.

On November 8, Luc posted a YouTube video of a test he did of a Matt modified motor. It wasn't shared HERE that I know of. If I am wrong, I am sure someone will point it out to me. I believe it was posted at a private forum, although I could be mistaken.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hYcg...ature=youtu.be

In this video he shows the voltage available to the motor on the meter on the power supply, a hand held meter and a scope. When the motor is connected to the power supply, the voltage on all three meters goes UP.

If all three meters show that the voltage goes UP when the motor is connected, does this mean that the motor is OUTPUTTING more than is going into the motor? If NOT, where does that extra voltage come from?
It was basically a follow up on what someone saw on the meters of a previous video of the matt motor, post number 168 which I gave an explanation of what was going on in post 169. That video was simply a confirmation of the reverse current being observed.
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OK, I couldn't wait any longer.

On November 8, Luc posted a YouTube video of a test he did of a Matt modified motor. It wasn't shared HERE that I know of. If I am wrong, I am sure someone will point it out to me. I believe it was posted at a private forum, although I could be mistaken.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hYcg...ature=youtu.be

In this video he shows the voltage available to the motor on the meter on the power supply, a hand held meter and a scope. When the motor is connected to the power supply, the voltage on all three meters goes UP.

If all three meters show that the voltage goes UP when the motor is connected, does this mean that the motor is OUTPUTTING more than is going into the motor? If NOT, where does that extra voltage come from?
Hi Dave,

The power supply likely has a regulator circuit in it to try to keep the voltage constant as the load and current vary. Due to the pulse type load, the set level in that regulator drifts. Normally one would simply adjust the knob on the power supply back down to the desired 13V level. Try it with a battery.

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To Bro. BIG MOUTH. Idiots like you are the main reason there are private forums where things can be discussed without all the childish comments. To the best of my knowledge no one was putting Matt's motor down. They were all surprised at what it could do and where merely trying to understand how it could do that. You need to go play with your tinker toys and leave real discussions for the grownups.

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It was kinda dis-heartening to see he had to go to a private forum to brag on the motor, and refused to even confirm its actions in a place I could view it. Even kinda shady if you ask me. Everyone begging me to give out my work and I am not even allowed the confirmation of it working just like I said.

Down right shady, is all I can say.

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I'm starting this topic in efforts to continue teststing the 3 Battery System that was originally started by Dave aka Turion.
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Quote above from post #1.

I was wondering. Figured he fell off the edge of the earth or something.

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there is a reason for these things [a big reason jumping off the page above] , Carroll sent you the link to the video ,because Carroll is in that builders discussion .

there are no secrets [Carroll is a part of that discussion and always has been] its just that some builders prefer to have less noise and distractions , as you know its hard to build with all the noise sometimes .

and even harder to find fellows who actually build or have the time to build .

and yes there was mention of feedback/pressure from the power supply causing this rise /anomaly in your motor so it was not clear how to proceed.

and I had mentioned to Luc the discussion you and I had about getting an exact replication to him so there is no Fudge room, you mentioned it would take some time.. and that is perfectly understandable .

**I also mentioned others could build it [with guidance from yourself and Carroll]

although it would have to be sent to you first to make sure it was done properly before going to the Lab.





there are checks and balances in these open source builders groups.
things could be much different if ??.........

Carroll's involvement is one such example of a check.

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Whats wrong with just a little post on this forum to acknowledge that what I told him was the truth. Not you, Not Carroll, Not anyone from his pretty movies and nice equipment fan club. Him...? Just a simple little statement.

Like I said Shady, a lot of cover. LOL. Help who?

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That video was a suggestion "If you connect a digital multi meter what will the voltage reading be?" from a member of the private topic.
Instead of just a reply on the results, I posted a video, just like you've all seen here may times as well.
If someone would of asked the question here I would of done the same.

That's all that video was about. Nothing more nothing less.

To say this topic has not covered this and only doing it in private is incorrect.
The fact is, it's a member here that pointed out the voltage increase: Continued Tests of the 3 Battery System

After I provided 4 videos of the motor in operation: Continued Tests of the 3 Battery System

and here Matt himself offers an explanation: Continued Tests of the 3 Battery System

Here I show the motor working with scope shot of voltage and current: Continued Tests of the 3 Battery System

I can go on but I think it's clear enough that it has been discussed here and fail to understand why something other then the reality is being suggested.

The reason why no other tests have been done is Matt offered to put together a device (when time allows him to do so) which when done will be shipped to me for further testing.

I'm sure Carroll's intention of sharing a video from another topic was good but as we can see when you don't have all the details one's imagination can conjure up all kinds of scenarios.
Lesson for me and maybe others is, partial information can do no good!
If you can't share it all, then best not to share at all.

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Nope not doing any designs for anybody. Don't write, don't call, don't bother me. Your not worth it. None of ya. 1/2 a page of writing and not even an acknowledgement. And your going to ask him to review my work, F*ck all ya'll.

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Old 11-28-2017, 04:53 AM
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Hi Gotuluc,

I thought the next step was to run a pulse motor (Matt's Motor) in 3BGS position and see if the run time would be increased by capturing the Magnetic Field collapse spike thing into battery 3...

I don't think you really need a "Matt Motor"... an ordinary pulse motor should work.. or even a coil that oscillates.. the only difference I think would be missing is the mechanical rotation.. everything is measured by the meter's..

working with capacitor's I was able to determine a gain by measuring voltage, where as common method using batteries by run time(amphours).
I know its a little odd to measure the 3BatteryGS concept with capacitors.
but either way the phenomenon shouldn't be any different..

when I say gain, I mean Increase in voltage not overall total energy in capacitors energy transfer efficiency was only 95% I am actually testing If I could have mechanical energy while maintaining that... if yes then it should prove the validity of what dave's and matt's work... if not we have to measure the total mechanical energy generated and compare overall input to overall output...

I was really hoping this thread would progress like that..
I guess its all gone private...
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Hi ricards,

Yes, that was going to be the next step but Chet (RAMSET) working as liaison in the background wanted to make sure I had the ideal components for this test. Apparently Matt had agreed (at that time) to put together these components so we would be sure to see results. But looks like that won't happen.

As for using any pulse motor and sending the inductive (discharge) spike to battery 3. I don't know how that can be done since as you should know we can't send a pulse motor spike back to the feed battery which in this case would be bat 1 & 2. We need a battery that is isolated (separated) from the feed battery. Do you consider bat 3 to be isolated (not electrically connected) in the 3 bat system?

I would be interested in your test results. Please post a link here once you have them posted.

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Hi richards - just my opinion but I for one am quite pleased to see this behind closed doors for awhile. like you and just as David said the Matts motor contraption isn't essential although no doubt it might be contributing in some way yet to be understood.
The point is richards this effect or at least one of these effects is common to many different machines and the effect I consider here is what you might call rejuvenation or de-sulphation of batteries. If you take that a giant step forward and assume that (At some point) what you see as rejuvenation is faster. quicker and far more efficient than any form of normal charging you immediately have the beating heart of very many (possible) COP+1 machines scattered across this forum, hundreds in fact. By simple deduction like you I don't believe the Matt's motor has much to do with essentials!. I tend to think holding a standing wave across the battery is more probable. I don't subscribe to the build build build engineering school anyway, build what? you can't engineer what you don't understand its lunacy.
I've seen that ploy before,even been suckered by it and the huge well paid for trickery that is the free energy circus myself. remember the Tarial Kapanadze saga all around the world ? now that was a real build build build load of bollix of epic proportions. with some help from artoj that got blown out of the water right here-
http://www.energeticforum.com/296649-post9.html
have a look for my arrow on that last picture (I've blown it up for you) and work out why that thread Tariel K and all his well paid crappy disciples came to a screeching halt. ,, build build build one of those if you really want to waste some more time and money and sap your determination and enthusiasm, we all want to beleive it , The collapsing magnetic spikey thing 'an uncle tom cobbly an'all' (just saying) That still doesn't mean that there isn't some incarnation of TKs thing that might work (there has to be some small bone of truth) but can you ever believe a liar ?
What Luc is trying to do is arduous and time consuming and not entertainment. Luc IMHO has contributed hugely and freely to this forum over the years and will do again very soon Im sure in the meantime I can understand why he needs to be away from badgering noise. That of course means me as well as others.
one of Lucs forte's happens to be resonance and the flip-side of that coin is the standing wave. Luc has previous been kind enough to generate a series on the subject, in some of its guises starting here-
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lJQvqTpBdiQ
I don't have anything like the equipment Luc has at his disposal but felt it right to show him the video I shot of a batteries resonant points and the set up for the icing incident. I simply wish the man well. Its his money his time and equipment and I'm pretty sure he'll report back his conclusions whatever they might be. This is a free and open forum and despite the outrageous actions of some removing information and schematics from threads (which I view as akin to tearing the pages out of the center of a book we have all written) The fact that its free and un-vetted unfortunately also leaves it wide open to dis-information and noise. There are trusted members from this forum in attendance and I'm sure Luc will return the subject to his thread in due course, sneaky? no essential and necessary I would say,
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you might like to consider this as a simple viable pulse source Luc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lvKa4zneaRQ
I used it some time ago - very effective
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you might like to consider this as a simple viable pulse source Luc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lvKa4zneaRQ
I used it some time ago - very effective
That circuit Duncan is an excellent suggestion and could be setup with my off the shelve pulse motor: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9JmC22w55Dg

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Hi all, yes, that circuit is nice, just used it a few days ago to rejuvenate our tractor battery.
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Hi gotuluc,

The circuit I use is very similar to that Re-EMF, the only advantage I see in my circuit is It will oscillate even at 0.7v potential difference (silicon semiconductor voltage drop make the circuit think there is no more potential diff.). see attach photo
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The small magnet is placed into a normally open Reed Switch, making it a normally closed and Is placed on top of the Coil, when SW1 is turned on, It will cause Transistor T1 to turn on as well allowing current flow, when the coil is energized It will cancel out the magnetic field of the small magnet making the reed switch open, circuit will open and the magnetic field will collapse. the diode is placed at the negative going to the start of the coil or at the emitter of T1.
This will make it possible to capture inductive spike into batt. 3.

I tend to rely on the Voltage of the Capacitor, I have to correct my statement before, the Actual Voltage / Ideal Voltage is the 95%, the energy transfer was only 91%..
Ideal Voltage was calculated using V=SQRT(W/(0.5*(F*2)))

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In case of a Pulsed Brushed motor I could not think of a way to do it. since the coil is in the rotor.

The circuit I provided will only work as pulse motor if the coil is in stator position, You can remove the small magnet and use a rotor with magnet as replacement...
this is just a pulsing coil to experiment on Inductive spike.

this is actually part of a series of experiments... I've created a new topic in case anyone is interested.
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Richards there was a reason for the choice. there is an X factor involved as soon as the bifilar coil comes into play an x factor I am loath to try and explain still as I've invited Luc to use it I'd best try to find an explanation so with thanks to 'NRGF from the vacuum' for concept I offer this -
Seeing and hearing two completely different types of sparks made by the same spark gap is pretty damn cool especially when one of those sparks is formed out in the room and pulled inwards to the gap. ergo concider this “These two reactions are called exothermic and endothermic. Exothermic means energy is radiated outward. Which usually generates heat or heating. Endothermic means energy is radiated inward which usually generates cold or cooling (which is what I saw) … When the voltage is raised high enough in this circuit It can cause frost to form on each end of the spark gap.” which is across the capacitor (or in our case battery)
that promise might induce you to examine this simple “free energy” circuit I show a little more closely.



L = 800 turns bifilar coil around a ferrite core, about 30 ohms
C= 30μF, 4000VDC

In the above example both switches are closed and opened simultaneously. During the charge phase the circuit would charge the inductor generating a magnetic field inside the ferrite core.



When the switches are released the cold electricity would theoretically be appearing across the capacitor. In practice 170 volt arc's can be expected



How does a voltage appear across C when there is no closed current loop? “Here is an effect that happens with electrical potential when it encounters a resistance before the current saturates that resistance…We are taught in school to close all the circuit paths, but this stops the flow of free energy.
We are dealing with a completely different type of current generated by a completely different type of magnetic field. I offer two theories about what may be going on:
1. With the switches opened abruptly we create a singularity because the change in current must remain continuous across the inductor. Before the magnetic field collapses it expands and voltage increases through the winding. The voltage potential charges the capacitor without drawing current from the battery.
2. This is basically the ferro resonance effect and the ferrite core was saturated, the negative domains moved, the positive charges responded, a neg-entropic magnetic field was generated, the field was induced into the coil, and the coil charged the capacitor.
When our society harnessed the negative charge (electricity) it made our way of life possible. We would still be riding horses and plowing soil had this not happened but we are still missing the other half of electromagnetic. Imagine what may be possible if we can harness the positive? and we are trying hard whilst others try to cloud the issue.
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