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Old 08-31-2017, 05:30 AM
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Exclamation Running on Fumes



It's reported that the largest US refinery has been shut down by Hurricane Harvey, and we could be seeing gasoline prices increase as supply decreases.

Therefore, one solution could be to run your engine on fumes, literally.



gasoline and fumes the difference - YouTube

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.. looks too simple. Can it really be that easy?

Why not run your gasoline generator like so?



Old timer speaks truth:



the truth about gas and vapor part 1 - YouTube

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the truth about gas and vapor part 2 - YouTube

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Old 08-31-2017, 06:17 AM
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Lightbulb Diesel Vapor Carburetor First Rough Run 10-4-2011



Diesel Vapor Carburetor First Rough Run 10-4-2011 - YouTube

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Apparently, this works with diesel, too.
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Old 08-31-2017, 06:44 AM
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Exclamation Pogue Carburetor



United States Patent #2,026,798

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The old timer in the first post mentioned the Pogue Carburator. Here's the follow up on that:



Charles Nelson Pogue invented the 200-mpg carburetor.



See story about Charles Pogue Carb.



Operation of Pogue carburetor is relatively simple. Fuel pump, lower left of diagram above, forces gasoline through fuel line and out, as fine mist, through two nozzles at bottom of primary heating chamber. Only pure vapor is drawn up through spiral passages. When vapor reaches center of primary chamber, a vacuum-operated reciprocating pump forces it through conduit into secondary heating chamber, where vapor goes through second set of spiral passages. Vapor then enters downdraft air horn where it mixes with air and flows into intake manifold of engine. Gasoline which is not vaporized in the primary chamber, condenses, flows back through drain to fuel line and into pump.

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Old 08-31-2017, 07:45 AM
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Interesting series..

Then I found this:



See U.S. Patent 2,407,478
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Lightbulb CrazyFishFarmer Running A Generator on Fumes



After 3 years still runs - Building a Vapor Carburetor with the Crazy Fish Farmer - YouTube

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This video shows that you can run a gasoline generator on gasoline vapor.

Interesting bubbler that he's using.



With a set-up like this, you could go off-grid for a while.
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Old 08-31-2017, 06:20 PM
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Lightbulb CrazyFishFarmer



25 Building a Vapor Carburetor with the Crazy Fish Farmer - YouTube

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CrazyFishFarmer working out his design.

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Exclamation Bill's Vapor Engine



bills vapor engine - YouTube

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Glass fuel tank contains a mixture of 30% gasoline and 70% water.
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Exclamation Mechanic's Opinion.



Mechanic Talks About Running Cars On Vapour! - YouTube

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Mechanic's opinion.

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Old 08-31-2017, 10:23 PM
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Exclamation 200 MPG Carburetor

200mpg Carburetor Conversion PDF Yours For Free - Apparently ?Apparel

http://www.apparentlyapparel.com/upl...00mpg-carb.pdf

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Another version: http://www.injusticexposed.org/siteb...es/secrets.pdf


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also see: http://www.nutech2000.com/downloads/...ovey_flyer.pdf
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Old 09-01-2017, 12:41 AM
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Lightbulb US Patent 4,177,779

Tom Ogle, Inventor of the Super Carburetor

Argosy Magazine had a five-page article about Tom Ogle and the media witnessed test of the “Oglemobile”. On that test run, Tom Ogle achieved more than 100 MPG in a 4,600 pound 1970 Ford Galaxie.

Tom Ogle was granted patent # 4,177,779 on Dec. 11th, 1979

“It all started with a lawn mower”

https://www.google.com/patents/US4177779

Ref: Car gets 400+ MPG

Also, see Charles Nelson Pogue: US Patent #1,759,354 ("Carburetor")
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Exclamation Tom Ogle's Vapor Fuel System



In the 1970s, a man named Thomas Hans Wenor Wolfgang Peter Ogle developed a new type of carburetor that pressurized gasoline into a vapor and injected it into the firing chambers. After installing it in his Ford Galaxie, the car was measured to get 113 miles per gallon.

He died under mysterious circumstances. Some say he was murdered.

He was granted a US patent:

US 4177779 A
EP0008312A1
WO1979000053A1

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Originally Posted by Abstract of US Patent #4,177,779
A fuel economy system for an internal combustion engine which, when installed in a motor vehicle, obviates the need for a conventional carburetor, fuel pump and gasoline tank. The system operates by using the engine vacuum to draw fuel vapors from a vapor tank through a vapor conduit to a vapor equalizer which is positioned directly over the intake manifold of the engine. The vapor tank is constructed of heavy duty steel or the like to withstand the large vacuum pressure and includes an air inlet valve coupled for control to the accelerator pedal. The vapor equalizer ensures distribution of the correct mixture of air and vapor to the cylinders of the engine for combustion, and also includes its own air inlet valve coupled for control to the accelerator pedal. The system utilizes vapor-retarding filters in the vapor conduit, vapor tank and vapor equalizer to deliver the correct vapor/air mixture for proper operation. The vapor tank and fuel contained therein are heated by running the engine coolant through a conduit within the tank. Due to the extremely lean fuel mixtures used by the present invention, gas mileage in excess of one hundred miles per gallon may be achieved.
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I am aware of the following United States patents which are generally directed towards systems for improving the efficiency and/or reducing the pollutant emissions of internal combustion engines:

Chapin 1,530,882
Crabtree et al 2,312,151
Hietrich et al 3,001,519
Hall 3,191,587
Wentworth 3,221,724
Walker 3,395,681
Holzappfel 3,633,533
Dwyre 3,713,429
Herpin 3,716,040
Gorman, Jr. 3,728,092
Alm et :11 3,749,376
Hollis, Jr. 3,752,134
Buckton et a] 3,759,234
Kihn 3,817,233
Shih 3,851,633
Burden, Sr. 3,854,463
Woolridge 3,874,353
Mondt 3,888,223
Brown 3,907,946
Lee, Jr. 3,911,881
Rose et a1 3,931,801
Reimuller 3,945,352
Harpman 3,968,775
Naylor 4,003,356
Fortino 4,01 1,847
Leshner et al 4,015,569
Sommervil 1e 4,015,570

The Chapin U.S. Pat. No. (1,530,882) discloses a gasoline tank surrounded by a water jacket, the latter of which is included in a circulation system with the radiator of the automobile. The heated water in the circulation system causes the fuel in the gasoline tank to readily vaporize. Suction from the inlet manifold causes air to be drawn into the tank to bubble air through the gasoline to help form the desired vapor which is then drawn to the manifold for combustion.
Man, there are ton of patents on this subject. It's amazing. Ogle is telling you where to look. Funny that there is no mention of Pogue.
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Old 09-01-2017, 04:07 AM
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Exclamation Pogue's US Patent #1,997,497


Pogue's US Patent #1,997,497

https://patents.google.com/patent/US1997497A/en

https://patentimages.storage.googlea.../US1997497.pdf

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Exclamation Gasoline Wicking Vapor System

This is interesting.



just vapor, the truth or a lie - YouTube

Code:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AwKaMA4jKTQ


lawn morrow on wick vapor cutting grass part 1 - YouTube

Code:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nzsIjY4n40E


new vapor design with wick on lawnmower - YouTube

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-UcgMLnFjQ
Quote:

11:44 I say vapor is the
11:49 way to go there's guys out there driving
11:52 around on vapor when guys got a 318
11:57 Dodge Ram truck he's running his solely
12:00 on vapor and he's running through the
12:02 fuel injectors he's never complained
12:06 about burning the injectors up you know
12:10 it's what it is is what it is
One of this gentleman's video is also in the first post of this thread.

Gas can go flat through a bubbler?

I didn't know that.

I hear that the fabric material is made of humidifier fabric.
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Old 09-01-2017, 06:49 AM
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318 Engine Running on Vapor



318 on gas fumes - YouTube

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what about the vapor being run through fuel injectors..

so I found

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wzk4uIe_3mg

also experiment with fuel injectors

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q3LsZttJMUE
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Old 09-03-2017, 01:48 PM
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Latest video on fumes lawnmower:



(He's heating the fuel and the intake air that goes to make the fumes.)



heating the gasoline on lawnmower - YouTube

Code:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QqsTaBq1acs


Car running on fumes:

(It's running through a bubbler to make fumes.)



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=420kq_UFgtg

Code:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=420kq_UFgtg
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mKmwHmC1Fzw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2P99IzvC9GI

The experiment ended in flames but I still feel it was sucessful experiment
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Lightbulb Ford Model T - Heated Air Intake



As you can see above, the Model T automobile engine heated its air for the carburetor by passing the air over the exhaust manifold with something called a hot air stove, which then piped the hot air through the hot air housing to the carburetor.

There also appears a mechanism near to the carburetor that regulated the air temperature of the fuel air mix traveling in the intake manifold from the carburetor, which was called a hot spot control valve with an assembly known as the hot spot along with the hot spot inlet and outlet tubing.

The above devices would appear to help to vaporize the fuel before it was used in the engine.
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Good info.Ive got some experience in this field.I had a nieghbor who made a vapor carb/tank and it was the most ugliest contraption you can imagine but it worked.He played around with it for awhile but never very long which is a shame because getting the bugs out of things is whats needed.
I have been able to do mileage increases by heating the fuel before the carb and was able to get a constant 25 miles t o the imperial gallon out of an old Buick.Probelem was getting the heating right so you dont stall at a traffic light but through trial and error we did it.Just took a fuel line and wrapped it around the heater hose a few times.I did the same to an older Datsun diesel and had improvements on the mileage very noticable but a slight power drop.I ve also done the fuel blending thing and running different fuels.Ran a 85 ford 6.9 diesel on waste vegetable oil as well as a Chinese diesel genset for a few years.Tricks to everything but if you keep at it and use common sense then it can be done.
Todays engines should respond better to the vapour fuels and last longer because of much better metallurgy.
Great stuff.
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