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N / L = number of turns per length of the core/shaft, expressed in turns per meter
This is why the pancake coils work so well, make this really high and the shaft length low.
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Old 05-15-2017, 05:52 PM
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GAP motor

Time to take another look at KEhYo's GAP motor: The magnetic field in the power coil has to equal the force of the permanent magnets to mask the field:

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Time to take another look at KEhYo's GAP motor: The magnetic field in the power coil has to equal the force of the permanent magnets to mask the field:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sxrJoGZy1to
Allen you must understand something. Most of us look at so many of these
motors of every type wondering what the parallels or significance as
compared to who knows what. After years of study I have come to know
that certain people have a gift of insight for what normally just goes
right over my head.

So let me know what I am looking for on this motor with 2 coils.

I looked at it as you suggested, like a calf staring at another fence
the farmer put behind. It takes time for reality to set in.

What am I looking at here?

So far I see a energy consuming pmm, runs on 12vdc.



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Old 05-16-2017, 12:46 AM
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@BroMikey,

The permanent magnets power the rotor. The induction coil neutralizes the force of the permanent magnets.

There's a ferrite core inside the coil that magnetizes and demagnetizes as the coil's energized. The combined magnet strength of the wire coil and the ferrite core exactly matches the strength of the permanent magnet stack that's attached to the back of the coil. When the power is curtailed to the coil, the permanent magnets reverse the magnetic polarity of the ferrite core and propel the rotor magnets with the attraction force from the permanent backing magnets alone.

The power coil generates a "Masking Field" of opposite polarity in itself and the ferrite core to allow the rotor magnet to slip by at TDC.

The inductance of the coil and ferrite core as measured in Henries powered by a pulse measured in watts would exactly equal the power in Gauss of the permanent backing magnets to neutralize the magnetic attraction to the rotor magnets.

When the power to the coil is interrupted, the permanent magnets reverse the polarity of the ferrite core they're attached to on the back, and the full attraction force of the core and permanent magnets together, pulls the rotor magnet forward until the coil once again energizes to block the magnet force. This releases the attraction grip at TDC and allows the rotor magnet to slip by.

I just received a message from the builder and he agreed to try and fit output coils around the magnet stack. This would generate "Lenz Free" output through induction, and perhaps achieve an Overunity COP!

In addition, the power coil's bifilar and generates output from the ferrite core polarity reversal flux.
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Wow this sounds great. I would have missed it all without your
explanation. Now I get it. Thanks Allen and keep me up to date
on things you run across. I like that there gitup.

This setup seems like you could collect all of the BEMF upon
disengaging the masking field? What a kool idea.

Now I have something to digest.

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Old 05-16-2017, 01:36 AM
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Wow this sounds great. I would have missed it all without your
explanation. Now I get it. Thanks Allen and keep me up to date
on things you run across. I like that there gitup.

This setup seems like you could collect all of the BEMF upon
disengaging the masking field? What a kool idea.

Now I have something to digest.

@BroMikey,

The permanent magnets should "Demagnetize" somewhat from the saturation of the ferrite core. JLN measured his da-mag COP at 16 times. The magnets have to work to restructure their domains on the quantum level. The magnets consume heat and generate electric power when they re gauge. The bonus of this build is that the power coil generates exactly the amount of heat the magnets consume to re-strengthen themselves.

Winding output coils on the magnet stacks should collect all the electric power the magnets generate, and the power coil should generate all the heat the magnets consume to power themselves back to full strength!.

The builder's trying this right now for the first time at my suggestion. We may be in for a major break through soon!
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The permanent magnets should "Demagnetize" somewhat from the saturation of the ferrite core. JLN measured his da-mag COP at 16 times. The magnets have to work to restructure their domains on the quantum level. The magnets consume heat and generate electric power when they re gauge. The bonus of this build is that the power coil generates exactly the amount of heat the magnets consume to re-strengthen themselves.

Winding output coils on the magnet stacks should collect all the electric power the magnets generate, and the power coil should generate all the heat the magnets consume to power themselves back to full strength!.

The builder's trying this right now for the first time at my suggestion. We may be in for a major break through soon!
Nice going Allen

Power coils and output coils both matched for the task. Sounds like
a bifilar arrangement or a double coil winding? No? Keep me up to speed.
It looks like the calves went from staring at a new fence to potentially
kicking down the stall.

Wouldn't that be something if a matched coil set was found to leverage
a high COP.

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Wouldn't that be something if a matched coil set was found to leverage
a high COP.

The pdf from the open source harvesting with coil capacitor thread is working along similar lines.
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... da-mag COP at 16 times. ...
What is "da-mag"? And define input and output for COP of 16.

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... The magnets consume heat and generate electric power when they re gauge. ...
So you're telling us that we can heat a magnet (like in an oven) and it will generate electrical power? Got any proof or reference showing this?

Looks to me like you just make this stuff up as you go.

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What is "da-mag"? And define input and output for COP of 16.



So you're telling us that we can heat a magnet (like in an oven) and it will generate electrical power? Got any proof or reference showing this?

Looks to me like you just make this stuff up as you go.

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@bistander,

You're the one making stuff up.
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You're the one making stuff up.
I ask a couple of simple questions about your statements. Of course I made up the questions. Where else would the questions originate? But they are legitimate. Give me answers. Otherwise you confirm your statements are made-up and have no proof or supporting references, literature, science or logic.

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I ask a couple of simple questions about your statements. Of course I made up the questions. Where else would the questions originate? But they are legitimate. Give me answers. Otherwise you confirm your statements are made-up and have no proof or supporting references, literature, science or logic.

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@bistander,

You just made it back onto my ignore list. I'm tired of flunking your quiz!
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You just made it back onto my ignore list. I'm tired of flunking your quiz!
Allen,

Still you choose to run and hide not answering my simple questions about your statements and math. Like theses:

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...
Here is what Allen wrote:
...
Which is: 0.0168 / 10000 = 168.

Allen subtracts 15.9 from 16.8 and gets 1.9. Or "16.8 - 15.9 = 1.9"
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I'm tired of flunking your quiz!
That was a pretty simple math quiz to flunk, but I guess you're used to flunking math.
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Infinite...as long as there exists a Magnetic Field...

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"How much energy is there in a permanent magnet"?
Hello Mikey,

I would answer: Infinite...as long as there exists a Magnetic Field at magnet embodiment.

Flux is Electricity...whenever it "finds" a suitable coil or conductors wrapped at a proper core...

Regardless of the methods to produce this exchange...from field to flux to electricity interactions, no matter how many times you spin, move that/those magnet/s around and around it will keep producing electricity without suffering the least of wear outs, decay in power, etc,etc...basically if we are talking about a higher field density magnets as the Neodymium's are made off.

There are many who lack to realize this simple fact.


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The pdf from the open source harvesting
with coil capacitor thread is working along similar lines.
Hello Diplomacy
I realize now what you are saying about some of these threads,
didn't see what they were saying but now I get it.







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Hello Mikey,

I would answer: Infinite...as long as there exists a Magnetic
Field at magnet embodiment.

Flux is Electricity...whenever it "finds" a suitable coil or conductors
wrapped at a proper core...

Regardless of the methods to produce this exchange...from field to
flux to electricity interactions, no matter how many times you spin,
move that/those magnet/s around and around it will keep producing
electricity without suffering the least of wear outs, decay in power, etc,etc...basically if we are talking about a higher field density
magnets as the Neodymium's are made off.

There are many who lack to realize this simple fact.


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Yes i agree UFO, people have no concept about the power of a neo
magnet. So many of them are wishing this research away will show
results for a ferrite that degraded on them.

Certainly you must agree that Allen is on to something here. I see your
videos and research that is way over our heads and you must get a good
chuckle every time you get asked the same questions for which you have
shown concrete proof.

Give it time we are going to catch up.
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bistander is Tinselkoala

I have it on information that "bistander's" true identity is none other then the notoriously fraudulent "Tinselkoala".

What he fails to understand is that the mathematical operation he's trying to define as multiplication or division is a problem of "Ratio and Proportion" that involves solving for an unknown.

We commonly use this kind of simple algebraic equation to solve for an amount of gas it would take to make a trip of 100 miles given a consumption rate of 25 miles to the gallon. The obvious answer is 4 gallons of gas, solving for X.
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I have it on information that "bistander's" true identity is none other then the notoriously fraudulent "Tinselkoala".

What he fails to understand is that the mathematical operation he's trying to define as multiplication or division is a problem of "Ratio and Proportion" that involves solving for an unknown.

We commonly use this kind of simple algebraic equation to solve for an amount of gas it would take to make a trip of 100 miles given a consumption rate of 25 miles to the gallon. The obvious answer is 4 gallons of gas, solving for X.
So that is your explanation of these mathematical operations which you performed?

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Here is what Allen wrote:
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Which is: 0.0168 / 10000 = 168.

Allen subtracts 15.9 from 16.8 and gets 1.9. Or "16.8 - 15.9 = 1.9"
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... da-mag COP at 16 times. ...
What is "da-mag"? And define input and output for COP of 16.

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... The magnets consume heat and generate electric power when they re gauge. ...
So you're telling us that we can heat a magnet (like in an oven) and it will generate electrical power? Got any proof or reference showing this?

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I have it on information that "bistander's" true identity is none other then the notoriously fraudulent "Tinselkoala".

What he fails to understand is that the mathematical operation he's trying to define as multiplication or division is a problem of "Ratio and Proportion" that involves solving for an unknown.

We commonly use this kind of simple algebraic equation to solve for an amount of gas it would take to make a trip of 100 miles given a consumption rate of 25 miles to the gallon. The obvious answer is 4 gallons of gas, solving for X.

Like the democrat's obstruction is the name of their game. And what
for? Money? Position? who knows and who cares, the world is full of TK's
who got their azzez thrown off these boards for disruption.

Just once i would like to see these snowflakes out back for a olden
days boys will be boys 1950's style rumble.

I am glad you kept the math simple, we wouldn't want any of these cry
babies to blow a gasket.

Just once I would like to see BI-TK show his data.

Like You, UFO and many more know there is an unending stream of
energy available for those who can tap in. Handful. The rest are a
product of their environment. Teacher told me. The calculator has
arrested their development.

I am looking for the GAP Motor information now.
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Okay I do remember this guys video but had no idea at the time
what he was doing.

GAP MOTOR RUNNING
http://www.gap-power.com/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-50rWrOA8hM

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Self running coil an GAP.

Gotoluc did 16 videos on his self running coil. He has three basic components:

A ferrite toroid core, a two coil inductor and a stack of magnets spaced from the core.

KEhYo77 has the same three basic components:

A ferrite core (1/2 magnetite, 1/2 iron powder) a two coil inductor and a magnet stack spaced from the core.

Gotoluc has a large capacitor between the power battery and the coil. When he pulses the coil at the correct frequency, he can detach the battery electrodes and the circuit continues to run all by itself!

KEhYo77 should be able to achieve the same results with his setup by running at the oscillatory frequency with a capacitor between the battery and coil.
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Gotoluc did 16 videos on his self running coil. He has three basic components:

A ferrite toroid core, a two coil inductor and a stack of magnets spaced from the core.

KEhYo77 has the same three basic components:

A ferrite core (1/2 magnetite, 1/2 iron powder) a two coil inductor and a magnet stack spaced from the core.

Gotoluc has a large capacitor between the power battery and the coil. When he pulses the coil at the correct frequency, he can detach the battery electrodes and the circuit continues to run all by itself!

KEhYo77 should be able to achieve the same results with his setup by running at the oscillatory frequency with a capacitor between the battery and coil.
Hi everyone!

I am currently testing this setup, schematic included.
I am not sure if the power draw is high enough (250mA RMS @ 12V @1500 RPM) to truly squeeze the magnetic field of the magnet stack to get the best effect. Magnacoaster was doing something similar in his motor first, then he discovered that magnetic bouncing between two S/S or N/N facing magnets induces strong, HF currents in the driving coil.
Right now I capture the BEMF to a capacitor, which discharges through the coil backwards, creating (hopefully) amplification part of the cycle and goes back to the battery.

Will be doing higher than 12V supply up to 30 V on the weekend.
The next thing to test is a different type of generator coils.
Those facing the rotor sideways. The trick to them is you wind half the coil in one direction and the other half in the opposite. Gotuluc was doing some tests on those not so long ago.
This goes for side-by-side 'partnered ' coils or wound one on top of the other, with the same number of turns.

kEhYo

btw Art has updated his site lately with a solid state device
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Art Portor's Solid State GAP

Here are test results from Art showing 120% Overunity with his "Solid State GAP":
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@bistander,

See if you can find a problem with this math:

A Tesla is 10,000 Gauss. It would take 3600 Joules per second to generate a Tesla of magnetic force in an inductor with 1 Henry of inductance for 1 second; Therefore, An inductor with a Milli Henry of inductance would generate 10 Gauss with 3.6 Joules per second of input; for a second.

A refrigerator magnet has around 100 Gauss of pull force.
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Inductance equation.

The inductance of KEhYo77's power coil and ferrite core coupled with the input it would require to neutralize the magnetic field of the permanent magnet stack
would allow us to determine the actual power of the permanent magnets in Gauss. The actual measure may differ from the advertised package value.

Balancing two power coils may involve the addition of a tiny magnet to one stack, or the inclusion of a spacer. The permanent magnets supply the motive power to the rotor, therefore exactly matching the field strength would help balance the rotor with a high degree of precision.

This is just one example of how Joseph Henry's inductance formula can be put to valuable use.
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Magnet core coil output

The output from the "Piggyback magnet core output coil" should equal the output of the rotor because the rotor magnet is pushing back on the magnet stack field with a force equal to the propulsion force on the rotor.
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