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Old 11-01-2017, 09:43 PM
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Sorry, haven't had time to to fully read the whole thread. but counter rotating disks, segmented capacitor, brings to mind a Wimhursts machine. That would be one way to create enough potential difference to tear the local environment, but as for a robust enough dialectic ??
Thank you for making that observation and funny you should bring that up. I too recently had that thought rotating in the back of my own mind; I bet another member saw that concept a while back. He knows who he is...

So last night I pulled out my ARV blueprint specifically to look at Marks' drawing of the capacitor bank. One might see this capacitor bank as a series of over-lay's, that is one layer of capacitor banks laid on top of another one, each independent from the ones over or underneath and thus not as a single unit. That is to say, these might not be 48 capacitors, but rather 48 segments of independent capacitor banks.

If a person views the illustration that way then it is possible to envision two spinning electromagnetic discs. Two controllable discs which can be made to rotate in opposed directions: There are 48 pie shaped banks in several layers. Firing each capacitor off in a high speed sequence, and in opposition according to the layer it is located in, is a de-facto creation of two opposed spinning electromagnetic discs. There is a slight bevel to the outer edges of these capacitors which follow the outer hull profile. This does mean that there is also a slightly smaller diameter to the upper layer of capacitors: Reminiscent of the St. Clair patents features which use a race track made from transformer material and featuring a solenoid driven eletromagnetic race track which basically ends up being a kind of pesudo-electromagnetic disc of sorts, accomplishing the same thing as the ARV's segmented capacitors would but by a different means. While in the St. Clair patents the race tracks are significantly different sizes, with one being much larger than another one.

The Bobbin drawings from the St. Clair Patent don't have two counter driven race tracks, but others St. Clair patent drawings do, and the idea is just to get the gist of the different methods which have evidently been thought of to obtain the result of creating a spinning electric magnetic field.

I believe we are now beginning to see fundamental ideas which, though working by different means, are themselves aimed at accomplishing the exact same goal, and which in this case appears to be aimed at creating two counter rotating electromagnetic discs, and most likely of differing diameters. I think I'm now beginning to be able to say that basic overlays, or concepts, are becoming visible. This is like saying I think I can now see central core ideas incorporated in to this design which are shared by other works much like the John St. Clair patents.
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Gee you do some good art work.

A bit more speculation.

What is the high potential used for, driving some kind of Mercury fluid? When I look at the center tube, then reflect on how a more commonly known vortex tube works with compressed air... valve system at the cold end distributing condensate, to certain parts of the rotation as some type of steering mechanism.

Always wondered what happened to those car keys back in 2003. I wouldn't want to think it had anything to do with something your going to do in the future. ( just kidding )

Edit... I might have gone a bit over the top with that last post. Ive watched a few ufo doccos lately, and might have done a bit too much mixing and matching., without knowing what I am talking about. One of them gave me the impression the fluid was being recycled somehow, maybe in cavities in the wall. Ill try and find it and check.
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Gee you do some good art work.

A bit more speculation.

What is the high potential used for, driving some kind of Mercury fluid?
Most have felt this center column is using a mercury vapor/gas/plasma.
The high energy potential would be used to power the capacitors located in the base of the ARV. *Just search images, then the ARV, flux liner, McCandlish and you should find some relatively descent ones.

Since we are talking about a great deal of energy the issue is where? Where is it coming from? How? This isn't nuclear, its' doing something else to accquire the power; it may be doing other things as well.



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When I look at the center tube, then reflect on how a more commonly known vortex tube works with compressed air... valve system at the cold end distributing condensate, to certain parts of the rotation as some type of steering mechanism.
I can see where you might see a potential for steering in there, and if this is creating a kind of tread of compressed space than it would follow that thread, but the steering? Well, it's possible that what you've suggested could be. Right now I'm thinking it's something else but maybe...maybe.

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Always wondered what happened to those car keys back in 2003. I wouldn't want to think it had anything to do with something your going to do in the future. ( just kidding )
Spooky stuff messing with time.

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Edit... I might have gone a bit over the top with that last post. Ive watched a few ufo doccos lately, and might have done a bit too much mixing and matching., without knowing what I am talking about. One of them gave me the impression the fluid was being recycled somehow, maybe in cavities in the wall. Ill try and find it and check.
No worries, time effects are real; it's real cause and effect. We know this to be a fact. It isn't just the car keys that can vanish or take a few years off, but like people you should know closely may have seemed to have changed. When the light cone you're inside of is altered from the present time you've been living inside of, then everything outside of that cone is altered.
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Thanks for your skillful reply. Ive read the PDF you recommended, and think it is time for me to take a closer look at things like Birkeland currents and light cones.

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I am reminded of Steinmetz' description of the back magneto motive force when a capacitor is discharged as a companion to the back electro motive force when an electromagnetic field collapses.

Combine this with the excellent work from the Figuera replication group, creating a swapping field and harvesting what comes off it and this device makes some sense, use the capacitor bank to generate lots if the back mmf events that are then somehow channeled into the central column to induce spin.

Is it possible the column of mercury is liquid rather than a gas or plasma?
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I am reminded of Steinmetz' description of the back magneto motive force when a capacitor is discharged as a companion to the back electro motive force when an electromagnetic field collapses.
Thanks for steering me towards that.
Mach's Principle when applied to a capacitor: A capacitor discharge demonstrates a loss of mass and produces a subsequent propellantless propulsion.

Mass is not weight: It is scale/size. Example; you don't lose mass on the moon, where gravity is 1/6th that of earth, you lose weight but your mass remains the same. If you lost mass your relative size would change.


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Combine this with the excellent work from the Figuera replication group, creating a swapping field and harvesting what comes off it and this device makes some sense, use the capacitor bank to generate lots if the back mmf events that are then somehow channeled into the central column to induce spin.
I know nothing about this to be truthful. What I'm seeing are tantalizing practical explanations for what would otherwise be deemed visual illusions or optical tricks; wherein the mass of an object is controllable and exploitable, and which offers realistic explanations for observered fact of shrinking and expanding optical observations.

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Is it possible the column of mercury is liquid rather than a gas or plasma?
Others here think it's a gas or plasma. I myself am open to all avenues. I've suggested it could be a ferrofluid.
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James F. Woodward: Mach's Principle Weight Reduction = Propellantless Propulsion.
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Woodward Patent
Jan. 25, 1994 / Jan. 21, 1992
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This invention is a method for producing transient fluctuations in the inertial masses of material objects employing an effect that is a consequence of relativistic theories of gravitation. An extension of this method wherein pulsed thrust is applied sychronously with the mass fluctuations produced by the method to an object makes it possible to cause stationary changes in the object's apparent mass and weight and also to facilitate the transport of massive objects. https://www.google.com/patents/US5280864

More Recent Woodward Patent. Many here will probably find this more recent patent interesting since it contains a number of illustrations.
Publication date Mar 30, 2006
Filing date Aug 25, 2004

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A method for producing thrusts in devices where a “Mach” effect mass fluctuation is driven by applying a high voltage, high frequency electrical signal to capacitive circuit elements made with high dielectric constant core material and at the same time applying a current signal of the same frequency to inductive circuit elements arranged so that the magnetic fields produced thereby thread the capacitors perpendicular to the electric fields between their plates. With appropriate relative phase established between the electric and magnetic fields in the dielectric material between the plates of the capacitor, the Lorentz force acting on the lattice ions in the dielectric yields a net force. That net force is a consequence of the fact that in each cycle when the Lorentz force acts in one direction the effective masses of the ions are different from their effective masses in the parts of each cycle where lattice forces act to restore the initial configuration. Operated at sufficiently high frequencies and powers, such devices can produce useful levels of thrust.
https://www.google.com/patents/US200...blAYEQ6AEILTAB

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A Critique and Suggestions for the Improvement of the Woodward Laboratory Demonstration of Effects attributed to Mach's Principle by David Cyganski
July 7, 1998. Placing this here since it's a refered paper from the defunct website "Quantum Cavorite."
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"Woodward believes that the reaction force on an accelerating mass is due to the force of back radiation from the advanced gravitational wave generated by all the other masses everywhere in the universe."
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Observe back a few posts now on the superfluidity of helium II, and to "magnetic counterspace." The space I called a kind of galactic thread which appears to me to be a kind of compressed space forming a superfluid out of normal space via an accretion process which produces a supercooled column around which the ejected jets of plasma energy spiral round. However, perhaps it would be more correct to not see this as a compression, for maybe that's not what is taking place, because we must ask ourselves what does compression really mean in this context? Maybe the compression is really a kind of sorting of energies to their basic origins whereby the creation of superfluidity is the removal of mass from matter, which one would logically expect to produce two extremes, one hot and one cold, and in the supercold state this primal energy is invisible massless space. In condensed form it is the central core of the plasma energies ejected matter in cosmic accretion disc's. A core of energy which is now superfluid and undectectable; speculating of course. In my mind right now I'm think dielectric/magnetic/superfluidity/reactionary/creative unseen energy.

Mass by nature first means expansion, which to us means heat and power, and the opposite is the creation of cooling. One would think that to create a supercooled superfluid the creation of plasma and other energies would go hand in hand. How do we get energy? Is it by taking mass out of matter?
It seems logical to me that removing mass from matter would logically result in the production of two extremes.

It is not surprising that the ideas of Woodward and others have arisen for we cannot detect this superfluidity which surrounds us since it has no mass and is invisible normally. Helium II shows us what a superfluidity in space does and on cosmic scales we should expect that accretion disc's would result in the production of colums of massless reactionary superfluidity at the core of the ejected matter: At least I think that's what I understand right now, but rightly or not, the idea is that this material resides in the center colum of the ejected energies which are produced by accetion discs at cosmic levels, and thereby show us that a state of superfluidity resides in space all around us, and that this is what creates the counter reactive force which we have called gravity.
Thus the idea that space is like a liquid has a sound basis in my opinion.

Finally, the crew compartment of the ARV is a sphere with the specific call-out for a crew compartment door that is like a submarines hatch.
A sphere is the strongest geometric shape against compression. The vehicle must have been designed to encounter compressed space, and just like
submarines, those area's not needing protection from compressive forces are left to the elements.

"Another riddle. If you accelerate a charge it radiates energy. For example if you place an electric charge on a rotating platform. It radiates a circularly polarized EM wave, and in the process it looses energy and the platform looses rotation speed. But if you place a variety of equal and opposite charges on a rotating platform (creating in effect an uncharged inertial mass), each individual charge must still be radiating, yet the platform now maintains its angular velocity. EM energy must be somehow reflected back to each individual charge, in the same amount that it is radiated out. In this sense, Woodward must be at least partially correct. But where does the back radiation come from? And why does a rotating mass result in a static (near field) gravitomagnetic dipole moment? It seems much more likely to me that all of the individual charges making up the inertial mass, act to absorb all the radiation of all of the equal and opposite charges, except for the EM energy of the near field of each of the moving charges, which might be used to construct a model of the gravitomagnetic dipole field."
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Nature works with fundamentals because it only has itself to play with and to create things out of. In our dimension the most defining fundamentals to our reality are mass and matter. For matter to acquire mass is to make it real. Otherwise it is a ghost, an illusion, or invisible. Yet space is a vacuum mostly devoid of mass and yet a vacuum is a near perfect dielectric.

You have to ask; does space, this vacuum, hold the substance of creation? If not space then what else? The evidence supports the idea that matter arises out of the void because the void gives it shape by giving it mass. What then defines a dielectric? Isn't it supposed to be an insulator? Isn't an insulator best accomplished by a void, and isn't a void a place without mass or matter? Our best earthly insulating material is aerogel: A product which has almost no weight or mass.

In nature a diamond has one of the highest dielectric strengths for a solid material, but while space is a vacuum and vacuum's have a far greater dielectric strength and space has no mass. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dielectric_strength

It is counterintuitive to think of compressing a vacuum but if the vacuum of space is a dielectric field, and if the dielectric field can be formed, and so it is by the crystalized geometry which create magnets, then mass comes out of the dielectric field, and that is where all mass eventually returns. When an accretion disc gathers in space, and then uses that ice cold space to create and eject vortexs of cosmic scale energy, where then is the energy to create coming from? Doesn't this strongly suggest that the energy given up by an ice cold void is in reality having mass pulled out of it by a centrifugal vortex, and in so doing this creation is seen in the plasma and matter vortexs which come out of accretion disc's? Doesn't this indicate that the dielectic field is the field of mass energy, and doesn't this then say that space all round us is filled with that energy which gives matter mass?

The common question of why are UFO photo's always fuzzy is explained by the fact that they are immersed in a massless field: The dielectric field. We know this. That's what the capacitor does according to Mach's Principle as show by Woodward. The question now arises what pathway the ARV itself took to venture into this unknown? Did it use a conventional method, stripping energy and feeding giant capacitors, and in so doing find it had stumbled upon a doorway? Or, did the people who created this machine understand what the doorway was all about, and instead use the capacitors to crack the doorway open, and to then mimic the flux flows of the dielectic field to pull itself through?


I see in the Joe Newman Helium Balloon experiment a kind of simple confined accretion disc. Helium is of course the lightest gas we have, which of course logically must mean it has the least mass, and so if you think of this as kind of primer to a pump, and if you then have primed the pump with helium and then accelerate it by means of current, then it should begin to act upon the dielectric field of space. I'm not exactly sure what it would really be doing, giving up mass or creating a thread to that other field upon which it might move towards, but one or the other seems likely.

As a footnote, this kind of thinking has also made me question what the purpose of the half round sphereical balls seen on the bottom of early UFO's might be doing. If these are circulating microwaves they could be acting as drivers, like sun gears of sorts, and thereby working somewhat similar to the idea behind the Newman Balloon Experiment.
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What is the high potential used for, driving some kind of Mercury fluid? When I look at the center tube, then reflect on how a more commonly known vortex tube works with compressed air... valve system at the cold end distributing condensate, to certain parts of the rotation as some type of steering mechanism.
I've been out at my rural property for a while and have some catching up to do. I don't do computers out there.

Actually, I think the high potential "drives" the capacitor dielectric but not electrically. I know that doesn't sound sensible but bear with me. It's been speculated that the capacitor dielectric is Herkimer quartz which is piezoelectric. A piezoelectric material produces electricity when deformed. An electrical field applied to a piezoelectric material produces a deformation.

T. Townsend Brown mentions the "kicks" in his work. I'm speculating that his "kicks" are the deformation of the piezoelectric material which then moves the vehicle - electricity to kinetic energy. The effect was small in Brown's devices but he was only using 30KV pulses if I remember correctly. Mark McCandlish mentioned 500 to 1000 KV in his video.

The steering would be accomplished by applying the kicks with different intensities to the various capacitors at the bottom of the ARV. For the vehicle to hover as he describes they would be relatively low voltage pulses equally distributed among the 48 capacitors. Give one group of adjacent capacitors stronger kicks and the opposite capacitors weaker kicks and the vehicle moves in the direction of the stronger kicks. Give the lower plates in the capacitors a stronger kick than the adjacent upper plates and the vehicle rises in the direction it is moving.

Now that we've generated a kick we need to let the material relax so it can be kicked again. So we can't leave the capacitor charged. IMO, the dual vortex in the central column is used to circulate the current, and thus the potential, within the system which explains the need for high frequency - many, many kicks. This also somewhat fits in with mercury being used in the column since mercury only allows current to travel in one direction. I haven't yet worked out how the two vortexes keep the current moving in opposite directions but my initial thoughts are that the device at the bottom of the column performs this role, one vortex terminating on the spike at the center and the mouth of the other vortex being around the periphery of the circular part around the spike. What is at the top of the column isn't shown in McCandlish's drawing but I suspect it is the same or similar.

This might also explain not needing a source of electricity. The vehicle would be charged before flight and the re-circulation, if it had no losses, would maintain the electricity needed. This would also require some superconductivity somewhere - maybe in the spike and surrounding circular part.

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Another problem with the ARV/UFO phenomina

Whether the vehicles are gravity shielded or gravity cancelled, they still have volume and, moving through the atmosphere, they will cause displacement of the air. So how do they achieve the very rapid accelerations noted without causing the pressure waves that cause sonic booms?
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Whether the vehicles are gravity shielded or gravity cancelled, they still have volume and, moving through the atmosphere, they will cause displacement of the air. So how do they achieve the very rapid accelerations noted without causing the pressure waves that cause sonic booms?
if you have the air around it ionized enough you will not get the sonic boom
or at least that is what I read long ago on research on how to get rid of sonic booms
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I've been out at my rural property for a while and have some catching up to do. I don't do computers out there.

Actually, I think the high potential "drives" the capacitor dielectric but not electrically. I know that doesn't sound sensible but bear with me. It's been speculated that the capacitor dielectric is Herkimer quartz which is piezoelectric. A piezoelectric material produces electricity when deformed. An electrical field applied to a piezoelectric material produces a deformation.

T. Townsend Brown mentions the "kicks" in his work. I'm speculating that his "kicks" are the deformation of the piezoelectric material which then moves the vehicle - electricity to kinetic energy. The effect was small in Brown's devices but he was only using 30KV pulses if I remember correctly. Mark McCandlish mentioned 500 to 1000 KV in his video.

The steering would be accomplished by applying the kicks with different intensities to the various capacitors at the bottom of the ARV. For the vehicle to hover as he describes they would be relatively low voltage pulses equally distributed among the 48 capacitors. Give one group of adjacent capacitors stronger kicks and the opposite capacitors weaker kicks and the vehicle moves in the direction of the stronger kicks. Give the lower plates in the capacitors a stronger kick than the adjacent upper plates and the vehicle rises in the direction it is moving.

Now that we've generated a kick we need to let the material relax so it can be kicked again. So we can't leave the capacitor charged. IMO, the dual vortex in the central column is used to circulate the current, and thus the potential, within the system which explains the need for high frequency - many, many kicks. This also somewhat fits in with mercury being used in the column since mercury only allows current to travel in one direction. I haven't yet worked out how the two vortexes keep the current moving in opposite directions but my initial thoughts are that the device at the bottom of the column performs this role, one vortex terminating on the spike at the center and the mouth of the other vortex being around the periphery of the circular part around the spike. What is at the top of the column isn't shown in McCandlish's drawing but I suspect it is the same or similar.

This might also explain not needing a source of electricity. The vehicle would be charged before flight and the re-circulation, if it had no losses, would maintain the electricity needed. This would also require some superconductivity somewhere - maybe in the spike and surrounding circular part.


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Thanks so much for your continued interest and thoughts on this.

I believe I'm following your thoughts in so far as my technical capabilities allow. Can you be more specific for me and others about your thoughts on you think the capacitors are interacting? You've got me thinking: I think I see something.

I follow that piezoelectric material produces electricity when deformed; quartz is a transducer. Now, what kind of ways are known that can produce the necessary deformations? Mechanical, electrical, or.... magnetic? A mechanical means of deformation by rotating wave plates which apply pressure would be obvious to someone as primitive as myself. However, a magnetic means could be created using electromagnetic plates; wherein an electromagnet is energized and then relaxed in sequence to produce applied pressure (squeezing/pinching) the piezoelectric material between electromagnets.

Is there a potential for a power generating scheme by using electromagnets and piezoelectric material? According Woodward, Mach's Principle should reduce the mass of the piezoelectric material when fluxing; the scale of which is significant here in the ARV. So, does that mean there's a curve to the input output energy needs? Seems like that's a sensible conclusion, and if so then the logical deduction is a point where you cross over into power generation.

What of Vacuum Polarization?


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It would seem like a rational deduction that overunity would be the resultant affect with a piezoelectric working according to Woodward, Mach's Principle reduces the mass of the piezoelectric material. However, I'm in the larva stage myself on this one. I think once we solve this we may find all the socks have fallen through a porthole, and it's likely that a combination having to live life on human feet, then tossed into a whirlpool and then into a human created hell of heat, electricity, and spinning in drum is the reason they choose to leave in the first place. I know I would.
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I've been out at my rural property for a while and have some catching up to do. I don't do computers out there.

Actually, I think the high potential "drives" the capacitor dielectric but not electrically. I know that doesn't sound sensible but bear with me. It's been speculated that the capacitor dielectric is Herkimer quartz which is piezoelectric. A piezoelectric material produces electricity when deformed. An electrical field applied to a piezoelectric material produces a deformation.

T. Townsend Brown mentions the "kicks" in his work. I'm speculating that his "kicks" are the deformation of the piezoelectric material which then moves the vehicle - electricity to kinetic energy. The effect was small in Brown's devices but he was only using 30KV pulses if I remember correctly. Mark McCandlish mentioned 500 to 1000 KV in his video.

The steering would be accomplished by applying the kicks with different intensities to the various capacitors at the bottom of the ARV. For the vehicle to hover as he describes they would be relatively low voltage pulses equally distributed among the 48 capacitors. Give one group of adjacent capacitors stronger kicks and the opposite capacitors weaker kicks and the vehicle moves in the direction of the stronger kicks. Give the lower plates in the capacitors a stronger kick than the adjacent upper plates and the vehicle rises in the direction it is moving.

Now that we've generated a kick we need to let the material relax so it can be kicked again. So we can't leave the capacitor charged. IMO, the dual vortex in the central column is used to circulate the current, and thus the potential, within the system which explains the need for high frequency - many, many kicks. This also somewhat fits in with mercury being used in the column since mercury only allows current to travel in one direction. I haven't yet worked out how the two vortexes keep the current moving in opposite directions but my initial thoughts are that the device at the bottom of the column performs this role, one vortex terminating on the spike at the center and the mouth of the other vortex being around the periphery of the circular part around the spike. What is at the top of the column isn't shown in McCandlish's drawing but I suspect it is the same or similar.

This might also explain not needing a source of electricity. The vehicle would be charged before flight and the re-circulation, if it had no losses, would maintain the electricity needed. This would also require some superconductivity somewhere - maybe in the spike and surrounding circular part.


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Sorry about the delay, been driving some mad hours Thanks for your explanation. I think it was your PDF that I read as well. It sounds quite plausible that the capacitors could angle the craft that way and the counter vortexing mercury could be used to redistribute the charges on the segmented capacitor.

I get the feeling there still needs to be something flatter than the vertical piece spinning very fast to help complete the picture.

Ether science hasn't been explored that much. I'm quite a fan of the revamped version zero point, where matter is like bubbles of coherent energy, moving in a vast sea of random incoherent energy. It seems to make things like gyroscopes, precession, and
short lived high energy particles, easier to explain.

Edit...... I think there could be something to the frequency aspect, or combination of frequencies, perhaps there is some kind of tunneling effect ?
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if you have the air around it ionized enough you will not get the sonic boom
or at least that is what I read long ago on research on how to get rid of sonic booms
They say it is electrical charges that stop things from passing thru each other when they collide. Then I think about certain situations where high voltage charge is present, like the Hutchinson effect and the Philadelphia experiment. Lack of gravity, things merging into each other..
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Sorry but I keep getting an http 500 service error and have been unable to post.
Looks like the issue might now be solved.
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Method for producing thrusts with "Mach" effects manipulated by alternating electromagnetic fields
Take a look at the images for this patent at the link.
https://www.google.com/patents/US200...blAYEQ6AEILTAB

Claims:
A method of producing thrust in an object without ejection of propellant.
A method of producing thrust in an object by inducing Mach effect mass fluctuations.

Abstract explanations.
"A “Mach” effect mass fluctuation is driven by applying a high voltage, high frequency electrical signal to capacitive circuit."

"At the same time applying a current signal of the same frequency to inductive circuit elements arranged so that the magnetic fields produced thereby thread the capacitors perpendicular to the electric fields between their plates."

"relative phase established between the electric and magnetic fields in the dielectric material between the plates of the capacitor, (a) Lorentz force acting on the lattice ions in the dielectric yields a net force."

"Net force is a consequence of the fact that in each cycle when the Lorentz force acts in one direction the effective masses of the ions are different from their effective masses in the parts of each cycle where lattice forces act to restore the initial configuration."

Woodward effect, also referred to as a Mach effect
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Woodward_effect

Woodwards' ideas for inertia as a cause and effect resulting from interaction with all other mass in the universe fits in well with the idea that something (undetectable exhibiting a superfluidity like behavior) fills space and connects all matter to each other. Here referring back to Kapitzas' Spider as a demonstration of this unseen, otherwise undetectable substance; the all penetrating fluid of space as it were.

https://academy.resonance.is/the-mach-effect/
" one particular theory that does offer an explanation for the genesis of inertia, and it is known as Mach's principle. In effect, Mach's principle states that the source of an object's inertia is from all of the other matter in the universe. Inertia is another name for mass. It is the property of a body that makes it resist acceleration."
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They say it is electrical charges that stop things from passing thru each other when they collide. Then I think about certain situations where high voltage charge is present, like the Hutchinson effect and the Philadelphia experiment. Lack of gravity, things merging into each other..
The Philadelphia experiment has a number of things going on which fit in with what we now know.

In the story we have an entire ship sitting in a dielectric medium. It's hull is arc welded together using a newly developed process which adds bismuth to the welding rods. It's the bismuth which is the important part to the story. Then the whole thing is wrapped in heavy cables and then they pump a huge amount of electrical energy into the cables. At least that's what I understand. At the same time this is going on, the same ship is being bombarded with microwaves which is radar, and this is in addition to the now supposedly super-charged degaussing coils, whose original intent is to make the whole ship non magnetic.

Now I just don't know enough about radar (microwaves) but it seems to reason that the idea was that if they could make mines blind to the ship, then it stands to reason that they could thus make radar blind to it was well by eliminating it's magnetic field from detection by radar. Next thing you know it's bingo, bongo, el-torito's and they vanish from the here and now...or something like that.

It would appear that if you eliminate the magnetic field from matter it can have some dramatic effects; especially when bombarded by microwaves.
Sort of all makes sense that if you eliminate the magnetic field then matter can be moved in time and space. Appears to be saying that it's related
to mass removal as in the Woodward effect and by some active monkeying they hit upon the right combination for it all to go sideways on them.

If there's truth in this story then it looks like they were privy to some of the Germans work in the forest of Poland with that ring thingy, an the Philadelphia experiment seems to have been an attempt to replicate the Nazi experiments which Igor Witkowski and Nick Cook called "the flytrap" but doing it on the cheap. Considering how much this is all related back and forth, how the main themes of operation and materials are the same, it's difficult to not see that the Philadelphia Experiment has all the same important critical parts of technology involved. Seems increasingly unlikely that the story is a complete fabrication, or it is a story forwarded, once more, by people whom are trying to make us aware in the only ways or avenues that are open to them; crop circles, supposed lunatics (Adamski), and stories marketed as science fiction.
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Method for producing thrusts with "Mach" effects manipulated by alternating electromagnetic fields
Take a look at the images for this patent at the link.
https://www.google.com/patents/US200...blAYEQ6AEILTAB

Claims:
A method of producing thrust in an object without ejection of propellant.
A method of producing thrust in an object by inducing Mach effect mass fluctuations.

Abstract explanations.
"A “Mach” effect mass fluctuation is driven by applying a high voltage, high frequency electrical signal to capacitive circuit."

"At the same time applying a current signal of the same frequency to inductive circuit elements arranged so that the magnetic fields produced thereby thread the capacitors perpendicular to the electric fields between their plates."

"relative phase established between the electric and magnetic fields in the dielectric material between the plates of the capacitor, (a) Lorentz force acting on the lattice ions in the dielectric yields a net force."

"Net force is a consequence of the fact that in each cycle when the Lorentz force acts in one direction the effective masses of the ions are different from their effective masses in the parts of each cycle where lattice forces act to restore the initial configuration."

Woodward effect, also referred to as a Mach effect
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Woodward_effect

Woodwards' ideas for inertia as a cause and effect resulting from interaction with all other mass in the universe fits in well with the idea that something (undetectable exhibiting a superfluidity like behavior) fills space and connects all matter to each other. Here referring back to Kapitzas' Spider as a demonstration of this unseen, otherwise undetectable substance; the all penetrating fluid of space as it were.

https://academy.resonance.is/the-mach-effect/
" one particular theory that does offer an explanation for the genesis of inertia, and it is known as Mach's principle. In effect, Mach's principle states that the source of an object's inertia is from all of the other matter in the universe. Inertia is another name for mass. It is the property of a body that makes it resist acceleration."
if that is all correct and it works,
then the fluxliner might be the direct current version.
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if that is all correct and it works,
then the fluxliner might be the direct current version.
It seems Woodward's effect/Mach's effect is pretty well established; It's because of things like Wikipedia saying it isn't proven that there's doubt, but that's just not so: Looking back on posts #153/154 links to other papers citing the effect. It seems to be commonly enough cited in scientific white papers. As a result, I think we can now conclude that a capacitor can generate a loss of mass. This and potential power production explain their reason for being in this machine.

*The reason I'm leaning for loss of mass is the vanishing act of UFO's. Just a gut level feeling here. You notice that others aren't saying loss of mass in their explanations. Instead they are talking about propulsive forces and basically ignoring Woodward/Mach Effect; verboten science.

On one level we have now deduced why the quartz capacitors are a part of this machine. They might also be involved in producing power. So far, what I gather is that you all think these capacitors are being charged from a high voltage source.

Anyhow, I've been going over the thread and trying to put pieces together which would enable a drawing for a model. Not a complex one, but more complex and advanced than has previously been done. I think if we could begin putting together some sketches (simplified ideas) that those will help a lot to refine this down to greater detail where tests might be possible.
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if that is all correct and it works,
then the fluxliner might be the direct current version.
John Iwaszko does say it is a direct current at about the *8:30 mark
in the conclusion to his video on Vacuum Polarization.

"The high voltage direct current, on a plate capacitor, appears to transform an electric field in to a gravitational field."
John Iwaszko

"Antigravity" Method 3b of 15, Vacuum Polarization- (Biefeld Brown effect),Group IB(ii)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kIcq6QEJ2os
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Excuse this extremely poor rendering, but I wanted to post this idea with the intention that others will pick up on the concept.
Maybe I was slightly tired...a little trouble with the spelling evidently.

*Notice how this looks like a Telsa device.
I was thinking about Marklund convection currents.
I'm also attempting to reach John Iwaszko for his thoughts or contributions.

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for a while I researched reports of broken UFOs
one tells of a craft that was having issues flying, it wrecked shortly after being spotted leaking.
and it was leaking pure molten nickle
so it could just be that mercury is useful here because it is a metal that is liquid at our room temps.
Somehow I missed this post before.

This is highly intriguing, greatly appreciated SpaceCase!
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All caught up

Just got all caught up in detail of all the postings.

Gambier, thanks for starting this thread!

Thanks to all who are contributing and sharing for the greater knowledge of us all.

Getting closer, but still a a few months away from the Newman Helium Replication. Need to complete the project at hand, then invest funds into the Newman Helium Electromagnet Craft.

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Lets review this free energy from the vacuum business. We already know there's plenty of energy around us in the form of charged ions in the atmosphere. I posted a link on that back on page one, post #12 which links to Ion Power Groups.
https://ionpowergroup.com/how-it-works-on-earth/

The ways used to capture these ions have involved long lines of carbon/graphite/graphene and suspended from either tall poles or by dangling from balloons.

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"Ion collectors can be composed of carbon/graphite/graphene, while not metallic, are electrically conductive, flexible and durable. Electric fields are known to coalesce at conductive points known as the “Corona Effect”. The solution of Poisson’s equation to determine electric field intensity around the collectors shows us that the highest electric fields will be around sharp points; the sharper the point, the greater the electric field. Ion collectors offer millions of microscopic electrically conductive points and protrusions which readily couple to the electric fields of near-Earth ions transferring high-voltage electricity from the atmospheric ions to the ion collectors."

Atmospheric voltage increases about 90-150vdc per meter of altitude.

Now refer back to the early on posts in this thread about tornado's and dust devils. Point is, all we have to do is put a dust devil inside a can and make it a closed system. Man made dust particles made from these same materials as cited by Ion Power Groups will collect the charged ions and then these particles can themselves be collected to pass the charge on for collection: That's the basic idea I'm trying to pass on. We can use nano-particles instead of dust and do what nature does naturally; but do it in a closed system. That's all the drawing is trying to communicate. Hopefully someone somewhere's, probably living in Iran, Cuba, or India but possibly China as well, but one of those for sure will see the light and try to rip off the whole idea by coming out with some kind of portable energy station.

We here are jumping over dollars to pick up pennies: The homework has already been done and proven by Ion Power Systems. All that's needed is re-think the gathering methodology of collecting atmospheric charged ions. Instead of burning up fuel this system is essentially collecting the fuel out of thin air. In a way this is essentially recycling the fuel (air molecules/ions) back into the atmosphere for recharging and subesquent reuse without harming anything.


The same sort of re-invention thing has taken place with underwater breathing. IsraCast: Like a fish - underwater breathing system

Ion Power Groups shows it doesn't take much altitude to make significant increases in power. All we got to do is whip this capacitor thingy and we can all have floating homes and yards. They is going to have a hell of time collecting taxes on people whom just float off whenever they please. Oh lordy, that's gonna piss em off.
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