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SIMPLE EM Gravitational Craft via Joe Newman

Gambier,

Please excuse my absence the past month or so on this thread, work has been very demanding lately. I have been following the posts and LOVING all the info, THANK YOU & ALL WHO HAVE BEEN CONTRIBUTING. There is truly a wealth of knowledge here already and I know we're all on the crux of about to be experimenting YAY!!!

Last week it hit me that I should share this section of a Joe Newman video that I had seen a long time ago and I recall him explaining how he made a SIMPLE em craft.

DIRECTIONS:
Helium Balloon, 30ga copper wire wrapped around the outside of the balloon until it has weighted the helium balloon to the floor, then punch in a 250V battery and it will rise, switch polarities on the battery and cables it will then turn 180*, pulse the battery into the coil and it hovers, disconnect battery and it falls to the ground.

This is a very simple experiment anyone can do and I plan on doing it once I get enough 9V batteries to run them all in series.

The section in the video links below describing this is from 26:00 - 34:00 minutes into the video.

For those of you who prefer to use Startpage Videos and not YT, search:
"New Energy Series: Joseph Newman 3/5"

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@ Gambeir, just a comment, I believe you're going way out into left field on this one. Stay simple. Look @ the drawing. There are three principles in use for the operation of this device, the disc/large coil interaction, the central tube, and the caps. I believe there are some objects that you can't see in the drawing due to its perspective that give away the operation of the disk/large coil and if you've been into ufo/free energy research you've come across a website that explains its operation in detail. The best method for construction of the caps is on a site that you recently posted a picture from and is currently under patent. The operation of the central column i'm not really sure about, but i believe its a conductive path that also serves as a counterbalance.
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I am testing the magnet spin lift by toppling the field axis end over end with a diametric tube magnet glued sideways to the axle of a synchronous wash tube pump motor; As Jerry Bayles does with his axial polarized disc. The field spirals outward along the "A" vector.

The "A" vector in this schematic below, is in the center of the poles along the axis of symmetry. The schematic makes it clear that the "A" vector is the portion of the magnetic field that is PROJECTING AWAY from the source!
Thanks, I reviewed the thread yesterday and saw you had explained that.
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@ Gambeir, just a comment, I believe you're going way out into left field on this one. Stay simple. Look @ the drawing. There are three principles in use for the operation of this device, the disc/large coil interaction, the central tube, and the caps. I believe there are some objects that you can't see in the drawing due to its perspective that give away the operation of the disk/large coil and if you've been into ufo/free energy research you've come across a website that explains its operation in detail. The best method for construction of the caps is on a site that you recently posted a picture from and is currently under patent. The operation of the central column i'm not really sure about, but i believe its a conductive path that also serves as a counterbalance.
Sorry, ya should know my nature is to wander all over and then come back. Yes, in some respects you're probably correct. The issue seems to be that we/I don't yet understand the dynamics of what's taking place. I'm still guessing and not yet testing, but take the central column as the first problem. It took me a long time to realize the connection it must have to vortex's, that it was a sort of tornado like device. Now back on the first page I was sure it was this tornado in a tube thingy which was creating a Townsend discharge and liberating energy. The problem for me is that doesn't match what the abductees have described. They have described a silvery grey material flowing in a clear tube in twisting counter rotating spirals. I hadn't thought about a magnetic ferrofluid and so looking at it now I have to think this is the material, and so now what's it doing, how is it being utilized? Is it generating power? See it's not that simple to know because we don't have anything I know of that mimics that kind of machine in any way except pumps. Typically very high pressure pumps utilize that kind of intermeshing twisting. So, the central column is still is bit mysterious but it's not a nuclear power plant. It's something else. It's not something which we are familiar with if we go off the abductees reports of what it looks like and that's what I am going off of. It's pretty much all there is to go off of.

I have this gut level feeling that there's more to it and that it involves magnetics, that the most likely material inside is a magnetic ferrofluid. It's interesting because the base of the column sits inside a shallow well where the witnesses describe another smaller ring surrounding it that could be thought of as a bearing, but it's likely a magnet and there's probably another at the top and both are spinning in opposition with opposing poles. It's doing something. It's creating counterspace. It's creating a magnetic vortex. It's like a mechanical analog version of the coils that Allen posted, or of the ideas presented in the St. Clair Patents. I don't believe it's any conventional instrument/machine. I think those St. Clair Patents, and the dissimilar sized donut coils that eject the nail instead of acting like solenoids are the closest things we have that suggest to us it's behaving in a similar way. See, if that's what's going on then maybe the capacitor material isn't as critical depending on what you're trying to accomplish. Like are you just trying to lift a tank, or do you intend to go to Mars in the next 30 minutes. It's that kind of difference.

What I explained about the levitation effects in carbon are the actual technical explanation for why these materials levitate and why one is better than the other. Although I have to say that nowhere did I find anyone whom was saying what I suggested about the electron clouds moment of force producing an inertial moment of force that results in levitation. Instead all I found was speculation that a quantum effect was taking place. So you decide I guess, but regardless it does happen; one if by magic, or two if by electron theory. No one seems to know which. So anyways, since these pyrolytic materials are artificials we can be pretty sure that didn't come about by chance, but if the electron theory is right then it's the bonding of the lattices which produces the pathways that the electron clouds take, and that then produces orbitals patterns of the electron clouds, which then create a moment of force if they are set in the right patterns, and only if they are in the right patterns. That is, these artificials do produce an inertial moment of force when placed in a magnetic field that results in lift because the electron clouds orbitals do contain a moment of force, and if arranged properly they produce an inertial moment of force. That's what you're seeing when you place a waffer of pyrolytic carbon on top of a neo-magnet. Notice there's no power involved in producing this affect.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moment_of_inertia

As near as I can determine, it appears that the cause of the levitation is induced by an unbalanced electron cloud which is the product of overlapping orbitals of planes brought on by bonding of the lattice structure, and which is shared in the both the pyrolytic carbon and the pyrolytic graphite as well as quartz. So there is a connection to precise shapes of crystalline lattice formations made up by the bonding and the end result is the production of levitation. I don't know any other way to explain it, and the use of the word quantum effect is nothing more than saying it's magic.

Well, it's not magic, it's got be working off of physics, and given my limited expertise in that subject this is the best explanation I can do to explain what takes place. So now we know that pyrolytic carbon levitates better or sometimes where pyrolytic lead/graphite won't, and the reason is because the connections/bonds in the lattice structure of the carbon are in stratified layers, and these layers are insulated from those above and below, whereas in the pyrolytic graphite it's interconnected. In other words, when these connections are not insulated in stratified layers there's a loop back, and going round through the materials, and so there's some counter force produced. The best material is stratified in sheets of single atoms of carbon isolated/insulated from those above and below. A capacitor for all practical purposes. A gravity capacitor. Recall here that the first gravitator of T. Townsend Brown used lead, so there's the answer for the reason why he used lead, because otherwise lead would seem a most unlikely material to choose if one were going to try to counter gravity. See, ultimately I think you're right. I'm just trying to explain what's happening. I mean maybe even Allens' idea of high pressure air bottles running up the central columns magnetic vortex is about all it takes to get the thing up and floating.

Remember here...I barely know what an inertial moment of force is....but you get the gist I hope.
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Gambier,

Please excuse my absence the past month or so on this thread, work has been very demanding lately. I have been following the posts and LOVING all the info, THANK YOU & ALL WHO HAVE BEEN CONTRIBUTING. There is truly a wealth of knowledge here already and I know we're all on the crux of about to be experimenting YAY!!!

Last week it hit me that I should share this section of a Joe Newman video that I had seen a long time ago and I recall him explaining how he made a SIMPLE em craft.

DIRECTIONS:
Helium Balloon, 30ga copper wire wrapped around the outside of the balloon until it has weighted the helium balloon to the floor, then punch in a 250V battery and it will rise, switch polarities on the battery and cables it will then turn 180*, pulse the battery into the coil and it hovers, disconnect battery and it falls to the ground.

This is a very simple experiment anyone can do and I plan on doing it once I get enough 9V batteries to run them all in series.

The section in the video links below describing this is from 26:00 - 34:00 minutes into the video.

For those of you who prefer to use Startpage Videos and not YT, search:
"New Energy Series: Joseph Newman 3/5"

Otherwise, here's the YT Link:


Thanks ET,

Looks like your timing here is right on cue. Just listening to Joe now. This is some clear thinking. Probably some of the clearest thinking I've heard in a very long time: Says something in my opinion.
Telling us there's something in the magnetic field that's already moving at the speed of light, and the conductor is able to deflect a part of that unknown energy to produce the subsequent reaction which
is an electron moving at the speed of light. Love this analogy btw; "that's like saying I can take a fence post and touch a rock and that rock is gonna take off at the speed of light, and I know that ain't gonna occur."
That's some pretty sound reasoning he gives in the first 6 minutes alone. I'm in complete agreement with Joe when he say's the energy in a magnetic field is a gyroscopic particle.
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Thanks ET,

Looks like your timing here is right on cue. Just listening to Joe now. This is some clear thinking. Probably some of the clearest thinking I've heard in a very long time: Says something in my opinion.
Telling us there's something in the magnetic field that's already moving at the speed of light, and the conductor is able to deflect a part of that unknown energy to produce the subsequent reaction which
is an electron moving at the speed of light. Love this analogy btw; "that's like saying I can take a fence post and touch a rock and that rock is gonna take off at the speed of light, and I know that ain't gonna occur."
That's some pretty sound reasoning he gives in the first 6 minutes alone. I'm in complete agreement with Joe when he say's the energy in a magnetic field is a gyroscopic particle.
Gambier,

Yes, I too have always loved Joe's sound logic and reasoning, it's one of the many reasons he was such a great man and wonderful inventor with a genuine heart. He was incorruptible!!!

I too agree in the concept of the gyroscopic particle. I've read much of Joe's work and agree with nearly all of it. Joe was in the US Air Force so it's interesting that after his many years of research that he would land on a theory related to a gyroscope. Makes complete sense to me and I have always seen the Earth and other celestial bodies (other than the Moon) operate in this capacity. THE ANSWERS ARE IN NATURE

However, I do not believe in E=MC
Not that my opinion matters, or that I am an "expert," solely off of intuition and historical research. Einstein was brilliant but he was compromised and sold out to the powers that be so for that I have little to no respect for him. Both Professor Eric P. Dollard and Professor John Bedini (God Bless Them Both) are very adamant that Einstein was tasked with swaying the research in physics and electrical theory away from Aether, Tesla, Steinmetz, etc. There are others that assert this claim as well.

***Moreover, I do not believe in electrons or energy particles traveling at the speed of light - I believe that they are instantaneous or more appropriately, omnipresent. Check out the video below at around 28:00 - 30:00, I believe we're working with Longitudinal Waves. They give a great example with the jump rope of how to visualize this.***

Although Professor Bedini did not use the term gyroscopic particles, his Lab Notes of how he sees magnetic fields are in a similar fashion, you'll enjoy these Gambier
January 1991 lab notes, a.png

January 1991 lab notes, b.png

January 1991 lab notes, c.png

In regards to electron theory, listen to what Professor Eric P. Dollard has to say about that:

44:50 to 46:50, THERE IS A LOT OF GREAT STUFF throughout this entire lecture from both Professor EPD and Chris Carson. Chris Carson was slowly killed off by an induced brain tumor and it did kill him.

"Electrons have nothing to do with the flow of electricity. Electrons are the rate at which electricity is destroyed. Electrons are the resistance. The waveform of electron flow is the same waveform produced when you slam on the brakes and you hear that horrible screeching sound. It's not a nice harmonic sine wave. It's a very bitter horrible sound of energy dissipation and material flying everywhere. Electricity flows in the space between the wires, this has always been known my electrical engineers."
-Professor Eric P. Dollard

Search on Startpage Videos: "Eric Dollard Tesla Longitudinal wave Energy SBARC Ham Radio with Chris Carson"

OR see below



I know what Joe presented isn't exactly what you're going after, but it is an EM Craft and has the ability to do massive work and it is a very simple design that we could get started experimenting with shortly upon securement of many batteries, cable, helium, and balloons. It seems it would be easy to scale up to a larger 6' diameter crafts and that could EASILY propel the weight of one many (likely more), then all one would need is a proper (highly efficient) motor with large blade fans. There should be VERY LITTLE resistance in propelling this craft through the air. Granted, in it's original design it will not travel interdimensionally or otherwise, but all one would need to do is have counter rotating magnetic fields now you're getting into some really trippy stuff, especially because the EM levitation is already worked out with the helium, cable, and high voltage.
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@ Gambeir, just a comment, I believe you're going way out into left field on this one. Stay simple. Look @ the drawing. There are three principles in use for the operation of this device, the disc/large coil interaction, the central tube, and the caps. I believe there are some objects that you can't see in the drawing due to its perspective that give away the operation of the disk/large coil and if you've been into ufo/free energy research you've come across a website that explains its operation in detail. The best method for construction of the caps is on a site that you recently posted a picture from and is currently under patent. The operation of the central column i'm not really sure about, but i believe its a conductive path that also serves as a counterbalance.
Phoneboy, thanks for speaking up and saying how you feel. It's now been a couple days and I've gotten to digest this more. I think I gather what rubbed you wrong: That the idea of a working hoverboard seems too far fetched? Is that what it is? Where I'm at on this is speculative: That there's connections from our modern material like pyrolytic graphite that link back to the original material, which supposedly is herkimer quartz, but of course a diamond is pure carbon and quartz is a silica. Do I know what the connections are? No I don't. My premise is that they do exist. Probably when I do make the connection, or find the information, I will be once again find myself laughably once more playing the fool as it will be so obvious, or obviously wrong more likely, once it is recognized or discovered by others. Universe has a perverted pleasure in making me the butt of it's jokes. A fact I have to live with. Small payment for my crimes I suppose. I'm sure that my explanation for how things work are quite laughable, but ultimately it isn't important whether I'm explaining things correctly, rather it is more important that what I'm bumbling around with causes people to look at the connections and draw their own conclusions. The idea here is there's just got to be a connection between how and why the original material was used in the ARV and what we now have today.

Think of the logical reasoning here by referring back to my previous explanations about how it's easier to explain how a Cessna works than it is to explain how a Wright Brothers flyer works. A Cessna has a hinged cutout called an aileron, and a Wright Flyer used wing warping control. Nobody in their right mind uses wing warping and not many continued to try after it was realized a simple hinge would produce the same result. Today aviation isn't even considering hinges any longer. They are looking at plasma control surfaces. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plasma_actuator
http://www.vedphoto.com/pauavpaperdraft.pdf

Wikipedia has this to say about quartz; "Quartz is a mineral composed of silicon and oxygen atoms in a continuous framework of SiO4 silicon–oxygen tetrahedra, with each oxygen being shared between two tetrahedra, giving an overall chemical formula of SiO2." - "Quartz crystals are chiral, and exist in two forms, the normal α-quartz and the high-temperature β-quartz." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quartz

The important part out of this seems to be that quartz has the property of chirality.
"Chirality /kaɪˈrlɪtiː/ is a property of asymmetry important in several branches of science."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chirality
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Gambier,

Yes, I too have always loved Joe's sound logic and reasoning, it's one of the many reasons he was such a great man and wonderful inventor with a genuine heart. He was incorruptible!!!

I too agree in the concept of the gyroscopic particle. I've read much of Joe's work and agree with nearly all of it. Joe was in the US Air Force so it's interesting that after his many years of research that he would land on a theory related to a gyroscope. Makes complete sense to me and I have always seen the Earth and other celestial bodies (other than the Moon) operate in this capacity. THE ANSWERS ARE IN NATURE

However, I do not believe in E=MC
Not that my opinion matters, or that I am an "expert," solely off of intuition and historical research. Einstein was brilliant but he was compromised and sold out to the powers that be so for that I have little to no respect for him. Both Professor Eric P. Dollard and Professor John Bedini (God Bless Them Both) are very adamant that Einstein was tasked with swaying the research in physics and electrical theory away from Aether, Tesla, Steinmetz, etc. There are others that assert this claim as well.

***Moreover, I do not believe in electrons or energy particles traveling at the speed of light - I believe that they are instantaneous or more appropriately, omnipresent. Check out the video below at around 28:00 - 30:00, I believe we're working with Longitudinal Waves. They give a great example with the jump rope of how to visualize this.***

Although Professor Bedini did not use the term gyroscopic particles, his Lab Notes of how he sees magnetic fields are in a similar fashion, you'll enjoy these Gambier
Attachment 19698

Attachment 19699

Attachment 19700

In regards to electron theory, listen to what Professor Eric P. Dollard has to say about that:

44:50 to 46:50, THERE IS A LOT OF GREAT STUFF throughout this entire lecture from both Professor EPD and Chris Carson. Chris Carson was slowly killed off by an induced brain tumor and it did kill him.

"Electrons have nothing to do with the flow of electricity. Electrons are the rate at which electricity is destroyed. Electrons are the resistance. The waveform of electron flow is the same waveform produced when you slam on the brakes and you hear that horrible screeching sound. It's not a nice harmonic sine wave. It's a very bitter horrible sound of energy dissipation and material flying everywhere. Electricity flows in the space between the wires, this has always been known my electrical engineers."
-Professor Eric P. Dollard

Search on Startpage Videos: "Eric Dollard Tesla Longitudinal wave Energy SBARC Ham Radio with Chris Carson"

OR see below



I know what Joe presented isn't exactly what you're going after, but it is an EM Craft and has the ability to do massive work and it is a very simple design that we could get started experimenting with shortly upon securement of many batteries, cable, helium, and balloons. It seems it would be easy to scale up to a larger 6' diameter crafts and that could EASILY propel the weight of one many (likely more), then all one would need is a proper (highly efficient) motor with large blade fans. There should be VERY LITTLE resistance in propelling this craft through the air. Granted, in it's original design it will not travel interdimensionally or otherwise, but all one would need to do is have counter rotating magnetic fields now you're getting into some really trippy stuff, especially because the EM levitation is already worked out with the helium, cable, and high voltage.
Great post ET. I've got so much material to look at and read. Been neglecting this a bit. If only I had another 60 plus years to ding around like usual. What you posted is precisely on target: It's up to us people. Get off your butts and start moving towards a new horizon without the controlling influence of your masters.

This isn't just about the ARV at all. It's about re-evaluating what we are thinking and what we think we know. What technologically inclined people have been focused on has lead to a series of dead ends: Useless forms of energy using machines, antiquated flying machines, and mind inhibiting forms of education to supplement those already destructive avenues. Aviation has gone as far as it is ever going to go and whatever else it produces is utterly useless garbage. As helpful as producing wagons. Yet again I'm to believe that Boeing is making cutting edge machines for public consumption and for our military?

We are living in a dangerous illusion created for us. We have all the evidence and proofs needed to know this is true. Recently we lost Jim Marrs, and yet again not a single word from the criminals pretending to broadcast news about the passing of this great man, wrongly denigrated as a conspiracy theorist, and this whilst trying to keep his own nation free. We have been warned. The enemy inside the gates now resides in the living room. That's how bad it is.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Marrs

There is another civilization. It's been there for a long time. It's fat, happy, powerful. It has these machines. It has technology we only think of as science fiction, but they have it for real. Where do you suppose they got it? They stole it, obviously, and now they tell you this stuff breaks laws, it's conspiracy theorists creations, it's crazy nonsense, but what else would a criminal say when caught In flagrante delicto. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/In_flagrante_delicto

There's only two ways that the situation is going to change. Either at the point of a bayonet or at the point that people abandon this absurd idea that their creativity should produce wealth and riches in digits instead of wealth and riches for their own lives and the lives that they leave behind for their own children. It's up to all of us to remake this world by abandoning the old value systems. Joe Newman, Jim Marrs, and legions of others have already blazed the paths to follow. We need only take the first steps. Your post ET is just one more proof, one more avenue, one more path: It's exactly what's needed.
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Gambier,

I knew Quartz was silica based, but had no idea it was oxygen molecules as well, VERY INTERESTING!!!

I can't believe in my many years of research I've never come across pyrolitic carbon and it's applications with magnets, OMG!!!! Thank you for this!!!

I'm sure you've seen these videos, but here's a few:





This one was unique:


Hoverboards are much more a reality with SIMPLE SCIENCE than I had thought...

AWESOME & THANKS GAMBIER!!!!
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@ Gambeir, just a comment, I believe you're going way out into left field on this one. Stay simple. Look @ the drawing. There are three principles in use for the operation of this device, the disc/large coil interaction, the central tube, and the caps. I believe there are some objects that you can't see in the drawing due to its perspective that give away the operation of the disk/large coil and if you've been into ufo/free energy research you've come across a website that explains its operation in detail. The best method for construction of the caps is on a site that you recently posted a picture from and is currently under patent. The operation of the central column i'm not really sure about, but i believe its a conductive path that also serves as a counterbalance.
Phoneboy,

What I will say is I've considered your criticism and I am in agreement with you. Whatever the supposed rationale theory of operation behind the levitation affect of pyrolytic materials, and which I tried to explain with orbiting electron clouds, well it's crap plain and simple. It's probably disinfo; looks more and more like it's constructed out of cheat notes stolen from Ken Wheelers writing and Ufopolitics research in an exploitive way to sound more plausible. In short, the more I think about it, the less impressed I am with it. It doesn't wash as a true explanation. I just wanted to let you know that I am now in agreement with you, and you're fundamentally right about the complexity issue being wrong headed.
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I'm reading Kens' book while trying to accomplish the daily missions I have to do. So I'm far from finished but am in full agreement with Ken.

My question right now is pretty simple; the drawing I did of the central column is based on what Mark McCandlish has drawn from his research into what Ufo Abductees reported seeing, and which is a clear tube with counter rotating spirals of a greyish metalic like fluid inside. This tube sits in kind sump which has coils around the walls that surround the column, and then there's a metalic donut ring, perhaps a rodin coil, which surrounds the base of the center column.

Now it seems pretty obvious to me that this is a magnetic ferrofluid. The fluid is being rotated, or perhaps more correctly it appears to me to be mimicking the guts of a magnet; by that I mean, it appears to be replicating the dielectric field inside the very core of a magnet, just like Ufopolitcs has repeatedly said is where the field originates.

So now isn't it obvious that this is replicating the internal dielectrics of a magnet? It sure looks like it to me. It also looks like a rodin type winding is being used which is creating an orbital/spiral helical form which is evidently without an internal structure and is self forming, which indicates that maybe this coil which surrounds the base of the column is acting like another solenoid, a larger one, which is then acting like the larger rodin coil which Allen had posted images of, and which together with the smaller coil acts to project a nail rather than to pull it in.

I mean it appears to me now that this thing is replicating the guts of a magnet and is projecting the dielectric into the capacitors.
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Gambier,

I knew Quartz was silica based, but had no idea it was oxygen molecules as well, VERY INTERESTING!!!

I can't believe in my many years of research I've never come across pyrolitic carbon and it's applications with magnets, OMG!!!! Thank you for this!!!

I'm sure you've seen these videos, but here's a few:
Nope, this dope hasn't seen anything. Thanks,
That light control ...bingo...great demo there on that quality.

I like the second one because it shows the guy sanding the pyrolytic. Why is this you're asking? Well because think about it. He's sanding it down so that it's light enough for the neo magnets to lift. The magnets aren't powerful enough even as powerful as they are massed together like that. So now, if someone does this save the powdered pyrolytic material. Experiment with it. I think though that a person could just use graphite from a pencil and paper, but you could try some spray adhesive and sprinkle the dust on it and try that too.

But here's the thing to all this. I was thinking you could stack the paper laminating them together with varnish or diluted glue, but that won't avail you anything because the problem isn't with the material. The problem is in the power of the magnets, so the more I think about this problem, and the more I consider the center column of the ARV, what now appears is a straight forward solution to a power problem: that the center column is a magnetic supercharger pumping the dielectric into these capacitors or something like that

I tell ya we are all so screwed up that we can't even think straight any longer. Ya know first off I was thinking well spin the magnets, create a magnetic vortex, but that's wrong too.

Looks like phoneboy arrive at the right time is all I can say.

Nope, ya pay attention here to what Ufopolitics has shown us and what Ken wrote and bingo! What you do is to find a way to pump..yes, recall I mentioned pumps here...well you pump the dielectric field into the magnets. Supercharged magnets dudes and dudettes! Forget this supercooling mumbo jumbo. It's pure mechanical power generation....sort of...Egades! How blind have we all been? You cram air into an engine to supercharge it. You cram the dielectric into a magnet to supercharge it. It's along those lines. I can grock that idea. Why it's almost like lifting hood of my 41 dodge. Solid and tangible like the hunk of battle tested steel that it honestly is.


Thought's anyone?

PS: If this is what's going on it proves that they understood everything Ken wrote about a very long time ago.
In which case a Nazi Style book burning party of textbooks will be in order as dangerous mind polluting scribblings.

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Hoverboards are much more a reality with SIMPLE SCIENCE than I had thought...

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In short, the center column of the ARV is a dielectric supercharger.

They took the understanding of the true magnetics, as shown by Ufopolitics and written about by Ken wheeler, and applied that to a rotational system which mimics the core of a magnet.
The design of the central column reflects a kind of geared machine such as an atmospheric supercharger, and applied that towards a means to pump/compress the dielectric into the capacitors.
This is precisely in line with what John Iwaszko say's is one way to increase the anti-gravitational effects of vacuum polarization in a quartz crystal.

It's like supercharging a magnet, or supercharging a dielectric field. If this is right it means superconduction in magnets is unnecessary to produce the necessary field strength for levitation.
It's a matter of pumping the dielectric into a quartz or other material such as the pyrolytic carbon. I've solicited a couple of members for their thoughts and hope others will freely speak their mind just as phoneboy did.


I now feel that the main secret to the ARV, and which cost Mark McCandlish so dearly and to whom I am indebted, has now finally been resolved.
Thank you all for your assistance already in this inquiry and in putting up with my anti-establishment rants.
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Hmmm....

L00k People...you're scaring me. Am I getting through or not?

This! Spring 1999 Ithaca New York. Look at this crazy looking UFO.
Notice anything about it? Does ya see the center column of the ARV in this photo...I hope so...otherwise we are in trouble here.



When I saw this image the first time it totally perplexed me. Now however what it is showing me is a model of the ARV. See it.. now? This tells me that by the spring of 1999, there's someone of you people's out there in the wilds that grasped this thing and build a flying model of it! Hence, I am not the only crackpot. There's at least one other living somewhere's about the Ithaca NY area.

Read the article here on this image.
What Hillary Clinton Says About Aliens Is Totally Misguided – Phenomena: No Place Like Home

Now at the end of the video on vacuum polarization by John Iwaszko he lists six things which you can do to enhance the effects. One of which is to increase the dielectric permittivity (resistance to breakdown) in the quartz capacitor.

This center column is pulling in counter-space which is the dielectric field and injecting it into the capacitors.
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so, as far as testing all this
do you think that paper printed with carbon would work ?
would using the printer with magnetic ink help ? (normally used for printing checks)
I can make a spinning electric field by setting up a high voltage rotary switch, sort of like a car distributor
not so sure about what kind of ferro fluid to use or how to pump it, would steel balls pushed with compressed air through tubing work ?
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so, as far as testing all this
do you think that paper printed with carbon would work ?
would using the printer with magnetic ink help ? (normally used for printing checks)
I can make a spinning electric field by setting up a high voltage rotary switch, sort of like a car distributor
not so sure about what kind of ferro fluid to use or how to pump it, would steel balls pushed with compressed air through tubing work ?
Well I can tell you that ever since phoneboy brought me back to my senses I've been considering all possibilities spacecase. An intelligent person would finish reading Ken Wheelers book, which I'm working on digesting, and then they would study Ufopolitics video's on enlightened magnetics. That would be my first advice to anyone.

After that it's experimentation. Ferrofluid you can make; there's video's on scrubtube how to do that, as well as the growing alternatives to their censorship.

The capacitors? Well about all I know from what I've researched is that pyrolytic carbon is graphite that's stratified in layers which are insulated from each other. Hence the simple logic of using a pencil to lay a good layer of lead down on a sheet of paper as opposed to paying an arm and a leg for a tiny chip of pyrolytic carbon which you're going to have try to split or else sand down like the guy in that video ET posted. I suspect this will work though it might take more power than a simple neo magnet can provide. That's unknown, but before anything else I'd try spinning the magnetic field to see if that brings any change to homemade pencil chips before writing the idea off as a fail. I'd probably consider experimenting with this concept, maybe creating another paper chip with a copper dust to place above/below the lead/graphite chip for example. As for printing them it's something I haven't considered. All that you've mentioned in that area are things I've not thought about. Probably just going to have to experiment.

However, looking at that so-called Ufo from Ithaca NY, what I'm seeing is not a full sized machine. I think it's a model which was made that is based on the McCandlish drawing. Go to the article because there's two images. In my opinion, the reason so many of these UFO photo's have a look of being fakes is that they aren't full scale machines. This one however is not like many others. I think someone succeeded in making a flying model independently. This might even be a model made by the elusive St. Clair. Somewhere's about there's a person who claimed that he was relative and that St. Clair lived in NY. I ran into that a while back and now the whole thing is coming back into focus. Anyways, if this is a model it's proof that someone has replicated the technology.

Right now I want to do a bit more research. I've got to get some magnets and I've held off because I wasn't sure what to get and don't want to waste money on buying the wrong ones.

So what I'm thinking is that you can mix up some of your own ferrofluid, use a couple donut neo magnets to spin up the fluid in a couple of plexiglass tubes. The ferrofluid is magnetic. You're trying to re-create the dielectric vortex's which are projected from the center of a magnet. In this way you're trying to pull the counter-space out of the surrounding space the machine sit in, and then that counter-space is projected by these magnetic vortex's outwards. This is the dielectric field itself (as I understand it so far). In doing this you're trying to then inject the dielectric into the capacitors. This is per John Iwaszko telling us to increase the permittivity of the the dielectric. You've got to feed the dielectric into your homemade capacitors and I think that the rings which are in the sump where the center column sits are the induction pickups. That is, each capacitor has an upper and lower plate (+ & - Polarity) and these are plates are connected to the rings like wires in a commutator are. The induction is via the magnetic field is what I'm thinking right now so it's automatically going to feed the dielectric in via the space between the plates. Explaining what I'm thinking is a lot more difficult than showing you in a picture. Will work on it. Undoubtedly my limited knowledge will need correcting but there's plenty of people whom should have no problem doing that.

Keep in mind the idea of making paper carbon capacitors are not likely to be suitable for anything other than models and low energy demonstrations, if they work at all, but I see no real reason they won't given a bit of help.

Give me some more time to work on this, or others hopefully will start dumping their thoughts and drawings here as well.
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I forgot to mention one thing a person should keep in their head is that what we are digesting is at least 60 year old technology and possibly 70 year old theory. The point being, refer to ET's Post with the pyrolytic carbon demonstration with a laser pointer. Hint ...hint...

OK understand? They are way beyond the ARV. I've got a 1941 Dodge PW in the driveway, and it's the first US Army 4X4 Truck. Her name is Edith, it's what was on her under the other 7 layers of paint and on the original Olive Drab. She came with the latest technology from Dodge Brothers to fight the Japanese. The latest transmission, a non-syncro 4 speed, linked to a single speed transfer case. No need to shift into low range, you're already in it. A flathead 6 cylinder engine boasting a whopping 68 HP. Real combat rims with run flat inserts in case a *** bayonnet got too close. They weight over 100lbs each. Edith was born on June 24th, 1941; before the attack on Pearl Harbor.

This is the same period of time you're looking at for the first Nazi Saucers. This is the best technology the US Army had available as their prime mover. So then, this gives you an idea of just what you're dealing with technologically in this epoch. Primitive is an understatement. Now it's true that by 1951 Dodge had improved the model, but barely OK? Almost the same vehicle that was born before WW was being marketed to the unwary as a useful machine. LOL! Which it is, just so long as you're idea of useful is similar to owning a kind of semil safe, highway legal tractor. Now if you went in to a dealship today and they showed you this, the very first thing is you couldn't even get it home because neither you nor the other 99.8% of the population could even figure out how to start it, let alone shift it just to get it back home, by which time you'd never venture near it again, and needless to say a divorce would be assured once the wife saw what you had bought.

So now jump ahead and back to the issue at hand. Look at the Mcfly hoverboard and think about it in the light of time.
I'm not sure trying to replicate the ARV is the way to go. Understanding it and validating parts; yes, but then look for the
next improved model. ALL NEW for 1952! That kind of reasoning might be a superior way to go.
Same principles, new materials, simpler operation with greater understanding.
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when you get settled on hardware to try, I will attempt to build it.

as far as a spinning magnetic field, electrically switched coils seems not to be useful. tried it already and got nothing from it, but I still have the setup if you think it will be useful (made 2 of them to try counter spin)
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About the Dielectric Field...and Counterspace.

Hello Gambeir, hello to all,

Ok, let's start by refreshing what is the Dielectric Field...from Ken's book...

Dielectric Field = Counterspace.

It is where magnetism originates (emanates) and ALSO where magnetism discharges (returns)

Every magnet, electromagnet have it (Dielectric Field) at EXACTLY its GRAVITATIONAL CENTER, between both polarization's...

The only way that a Dielectric Field could be generated "Spatially" is whenever we approach two magnets by their opposite poles (N-S)...And it takes place EXACTLY at the very CENTER between both magnet embodiment's...no matter how far or close you move them, the dielectric field would ALWAYS be at the SPATIAL CENTER between both OPPOSED polarizations DISTANCE.

EXCEPT, Once they make physical contact, then the center area where both are attached by (bonding gap) is where dielectric would be...and each magnet would become the OPPOSITE POLES, meaning each magnet dielectric is GONE (gone where?...to Counterspace) when they make contact...and so both become just one bigger magnet of double the strength of each individual one.

The process above "RESETS" as we separate each magnet again...each would have its center dielectric field...

Now, whenever we REVERSE polarities on a single coil at a specific timing, we are flipping the dielectric 180 in each swap...and so, if we get a ferromagnetic core set at a distance from one of its poles...then this ferro material would also be swapping polarities according to whichever pole is at the pulsed electromagnet...

But, if we get TWO Electromagnets, set away by a Distance "D", and pulsing ALTERNATIVELY A REVERSE VOLTAGE-CURRENT FEED (meaning, in order that ALWAYS they would be facing opposite polarizations), then we will create a Dielectric Field exactly at spatial center or middle of "D", which would be reversing or shifting its direction by the frequency of the alternated pulses. Then "D" would be your ARV center column, changing the spiral directions in every pulse.

Remember the Dielectric Field is Counterspace, meaning it can not be just "expanded" (stretched) into our Space...but maybe they have found a way to make this happen...I honestly have no idea how it could be done.


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@Gambier "They [abductees] have described a silvery grey material flowing in a clear tube in twisting counter rotating spirals."

Have you considered mercury?
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November 1928 Popular Science Monthly
When I made the discovery of the rotating magnetic field, Dr. Tesla said, I was a very young man. The revelation came after years of concentrated thought and it was my first great thrill.

It was not only a valuable discovery, capable of extensive practical application. It was a revelation of new forces and new phenomena unknown to science before.

No, Dr. Tesla said with some feeling, I would not give my rotating field discovery for a thousand inventions, however valuable, designed merely as mechanical contraptions to deceive the eye and the ear. A thousand years hence, the telephone and the motion picture camera may be obsolete, but the principle of the rotating magnetic field will remain a vital, living thing for all time to come.
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Many of Tesla's circuit interrupters or controllers used liquid mercury. Mercury allows the conduction of electricity in only one direction. It was used in early high voltage, high current rectifiers. Search "mercury arc rectifier".
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Magnetic mercury vortex:
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=au4hbUm4mMo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jHxObPs4opA

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Consider the first part of this video - a bullet floating on the surface of a beaker of mercury - material density.
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We've all seen videos of a copper tube slowly floating to the ground when dropped into a strong magnetic field due to induced eddy currents.

Invert the image in your mind. What if the mercury is inside a sealed copper tube dropped into a strong magnetic field and the field is modulated to hold the tube stable? Could it then lift the tube back up to the top? Could the tube, when lifting, have enough magnetic field to lift the surrounding tube?
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they also called it "fluxliner", so that is another hint.
I think you might be right.
also that same idea would show why the utron thing worked

anyone know the best way to make a pump that pumps mercury ?
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@Gambier "They [abductees] have described a silvery grey material flowing in a clear tube in twisting counter rotating spirals."

Just thinking out loud here.

Why a "clear tube"? What is the tube made of? I'm assuming it's not clear just so the material inside can be observed. It must be a material that has properties necessary for the functioning of the device. Quartz perhaps? A bit of info from Wikipedia that seems relevant:

Chirality
"Quartz crystals are chiral..." Chirality would have an effect, or possibly be the enabler, of the "counter rotating spirals" of the material in a single tube.

Piezoelectric
"Some types of quartz crystals have piezoelectric properties; they develop an electric potential upon the application of mechanical stress.[47] An early use of this property of quartz crystals was in phonograph pickups. One of the most common piezoelectric uses of quartz today is as a crystal oscillator. The quartz clock is a familiar device using the mineral. The resonant frequency of a quartz crystal oscillator is changed by mechanically loading it..."

This one may be related to the video showing salt and mercury not mixing as one would assume. Salt can be used to make batteries because of its electrical properties. Is the salt repulsing the mercury (or vice versa) due to the electrical properties of the salt and the magnetic properties of the mercury?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tA9tqvfWQ7I

Also note the reference to crystal oscillators.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quartz

"At room temperature, the element mercury is not very magnetic at all. It has a very small, negative magnetic susceptibility, meaning that when you put mercury in a magnetic field, it magnetizes just a little tiny bit in the opposite direction. We say that mercury is a weakly diamagnetic substance at room temperature."
https://van.physics.illinois.edu/qa/listing.php?id=388

Clear "fused quartz" tubes are readily available but I don't know how "fused quartz" differs from quartz crystal.
https://www.google.com/search?q=clea...utf-8&oe=utf-8

I mentioned the result of dropping a copper tube through a strong magnetic field in my earlier post and possibly being able to suspend it without any physical contact. What would happen if a sealed quartz tube 3/4 filled with mercury were dropped through that same magnetic field? Would it spin up counter rotating flows of mercury inside the tube due to the chirality of the quartz?

Thinking mechanically, what would be the mechanical stresses set up by the counter rotating flows of mercury inside a quatz tube? How would the piezoelectric properties of the quartz respond to the mechanical stresses set up? Could the piezoelectric properties of the quartz provide an electrical feedback into the system? Then think about pulsing that electromagnetic field around the quartz tube. What if the pulses were resonant with the size of the tube and/or the mechanical stress applied to the quartz to create a quartz oscillator? Could it be self-sustaining?

What other materials could be used to make a transparent tube that might have properties to enable and/or enhance the functioning of the device? Barium titanate has some very interest properties that may be applicable . It is both piezoelectric and ferroelectric as well as having been used in nonlinear self-pumped phase conjugation applications. See Bearden on nonlinear self-pumped phase conjugation. I didn't, however, see anything about its chirality.

"Barium titanate is the inorganic compound with the chemical formula BaTiO3. Barium titanate is a white powder and transparent as larger crystals. This titanate is a ferroelectric ceramic material, with a photorefractive effect and piezoelectric properties. It is used in capacitors, electromechanical transducers and nonlinear optics."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barium_titanate
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@Gambier "They [abductees] have described a silvery grey material flowing in a clear tube in twisting counter rotating spirals."

Just thinking out loud here.

Why a "clear tube"? What is the tube made of? I'm assuming it's not clear just so the material inside can be observed. It must be a material that has properties necessary for the functioning of the device. Quartz perhaps? A bit of info from Wikipedia that seems relevant:

Chirality
"Quartz crystals are chiral..." Chirality would have an effect, or possibly be the enabler, of the "counter rotating spirals" of the material in a single tube.

Piezoelectric
"Some types of quartz crystals have piezoelectric properties; they develop an electric potential upon the application of mechanical stress.[47] An early use of this property of quartz crystals was in phonograph pickups. One of the most common piezoelectric uses of quartz today is as a crystal oscillator. The quartz clock is a familiar device using the mineral. The resonant frequency of a quartz crystal oscillator is changed by mechanically loading it..."

This one may be related to the video showing salt and mercury not mixing as one would assume. Salt can be used to make batteries because of its electrical properties. Is the salt repulsing the mercury (or vice versa) due to the electrical properties of the salt and the magnetic properties of the mercury?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tA9tqvfWQ7I

Also note the reference to crystal oscillators.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quartz

"At room temperature, the element mercury is not very magnetic at all. It has a very small, negative magnetic susceptibility, meaning that when you put mercury in a magnetic field, it magnetizes just a little tiny bit in the opposite direction. We say that mercury is a weakly diamagnetic substance at room temperature."
https://van.physics.illinois.edu/qa/listing.php?id=388

Clear "fused quartz" tubes are readily available but I don't know how "fused quartz" differs from quartz crystal.
https://www.google.com/search?q=clea...utf-8&oe=utf-8

I mentioned the result of dropping a copper tube through a strong magnetic field in my earlier post and possibly being able to suspend it without any physical contact. What would happen if a sealed quartz tube 3/4 filled with mercury were dropped through that same magnetic field? Would it spin up counter rotating flows of mercury inside the tube due to the chirality of the quartz?

Thinking mechanically, what would be the mechanical stresses set up by the counter rotating flows of mercury inside a quatz tube? How would the piezoelectric properties of the quartz respond to the mechanical stresses set up? Could the piezoelectric properties of the quartz provide an electrical feedback into the system? Then think about pulsing that electromagnetic field around the quartz tube. What if the pulses were resonant with the size of the tube and/or the mechanical stress applied to the quartz to create a quartz oscillator? Could it be self-sustaining?

What other materials could be used to make a transparent tube that might have properties to enable and/or enhance the functioning of the device? Barium titanate has some very interest properties that may be applicable . It is both piezoelectric and ferroelectric as well as having been used in nonlinear self-pumped phase conjugation applications. See Bearden on nonlinear self-pumped phase conjugation. I didn't, however, see anything about its chirality.

"Barium titanate is the inorganic compound with the chemical formula BaTiO3. Barium titanate is a white powder and transparent as larger crystals. This titanate is a ferroelectric ceramic material, with a photorefractive effect and piezoelectric properties. It is used in capacitors, electromechanical transducers and nonlinear optics."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barium_titanate

Sorry for the delay, I've had some other issues to deal with, and frankly this is all work to me. It's not actually fun. There's a difference. I would prefer to screw around rather than try to unlock the screwed up workings of so called science. Now to respond to your post; Keep thinking out loud. It's helpful. I wasn't aware that quartz tubes were available. The thought hadn't even passed my mind. Other materials I have noticed as significant. Barium titanate being one, but you've brought forward other information about it that I wasn't aware of. I didn't know it had piezeoelectric properties, or had forgotten more likely. It's been a while since I reviewed it's applications.

Rotational fields.

‘"A thousand years hence, the telephone and the motion picture camera may be obsolete, but the principle of the rotating magnetic field will remain a vital, living thing for all time to come.’”
Telsa.

We have been told how the magnetic field works. We have Ufopolitics videos, we have Ken Wheeler's book, and above all else we have Telsa. Ufopolitics, in frustration no doubt, has attempted to help guide many here, including myself, onto the correct path. In my opinion, before anything can be deduced we have to use logic, and that means we have to listen to what the guiding lights have maintained against the existing dogmas. We have to understand the dynamically interactions of fields before we can make sense of what causes an effect, because obviously what's been sold as fact isn't working, otherwise we would have clear and logical answers already.

That has to be the starting point. Anything else is a crap shoot whereby you may accidently put something together. As an example see my previous post whereby the so called electron cloud and it's interactions are said to have a resultant diamagnetic effect, but following this theory is, in reality, a dead end. There's nothing in that which is anything but magical inventions.

Telsa said there was no such thing as electrons, Edward Leedskalnin said there was no such thing as electrons, and Philo Farnsworth also denied there was such a thing as the electron. Having Farnsworth, inventor of the CRT, say there's no such thing as electrons is slightly mind blowing to be frank. I don't have a citation but it's out there. I ran across that years ago when I began going down this path. He was put under enormous pressure to change his opinion, at least officially that is. Farnsworth himself never believed in the electron theory. That's a stunning indictment against the electron theory. Almost like God saying thou shalt not worship the electron. We are going to have give serious consideration to these facts. The electron, as we understand it, does not exist. We have to give up on this concept of the electron as we now understand it. It isn't helping us. We are going to have start thinking in terms of field interactions instead of how we have been trying to reason.

"Have you considered mercury? Many of Tesla's circuit interrupters or controllers used liquid mercury. Mercury allows the conduction of electricity in only one direction. It was used in early high voltage, high current rectifiers. Search "mercury arc rectifier."
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Originally I dismissed mercury as an agent involved on a basis that it was unsuited for carrying a magnetic field, and this explains my original thesis involving a tornado like energy generating scheme using the surrounding space. It dawned on me that a more likely energy system would be a MHD generator so I looked for another possible answer and came up with the idea that a ferrofluid would fit the bill. I think you bring a fine point here upon the issue of the internal working of this vortex tube. I think it is likely that mercury would be employed as an agent in a matrix; in a ferrofluid of some type and which may then become an enabling material. It would make sense given it's one way valve qualities. I think this is a fine point to keep in mind. Mercury isn't very magnetic at room temperature. It does however become a superconductor at 4 degrees kelvin and expels a magnetic field. When it cools the magnetic field goes away.

Officially the explanation is that as a superconducting current loop warms up the electrical resistance increases and the current will rapidly decrease causing the magnetic field to go away. Now rather interestingly, as the field rapidly changes between a superconducting state and that of ordinary state, a pulse of electromagnetic radiation will propagate outward. An EMP is generated when mercury switches between superconduction and it's normal state of being essentially non-magnetic.

Source.
https://van.physics.illinois.edu/qa/listing.php?id=388

It's clear to myself that I simply don't yet have a logical understanding of the field dynamics, and by this I mean that any substance like mercury, which can change its' properties based on temperature, could rationally then be considered as being capable of changing to the opposite condition with the right application of a field. That is, if it can become super conducting whilst supercooled, then it stands to reason that it should be capable of becoming superconducting whilst at room temperature. There is therefore a missing key. That key is inside of the dynamically fields that Wheeler and Ufopolitics have been trying to lead us to investigate. I am saying this because it stands to reason that when in some videos of the TR-3B the entire craft is engulfed in a blinding ball of light there is a dynamically field effect taking place. My mind goes back to the obscure note of the generation of an emp and the long history of UFO's and their own effects. Hence the reason for including that previous remark about the generation of an emp, because I think what the videos of the TR-3B are showing us might be a superconducting diamagnetic pulsed drive. One which might not need super cooling.

I can see no other rational explanation. We are missing a key and have to find it. It is that simple and when it is discovered all will be revealed. If you start following the official explanations you're going to get lost. You have to look at the material and what effects it is creating as part of dynamically energized field equation. All the materials and information you've brought forward are critical in this respect I'm sure. They all interact as components of a whole. How and why they do is something I think we can deduce once we put the missing key in place. Now the other things you've brought out are all important. I'm not ignoring them in the least. I think once I find a better sense of the field dynamics I may make sense of how these material act and interact such that there can then be a logical explanation as to causes that produce a resultant force.

I am standing by my previous statement for now that, whatever else this vortex tube may be, it is a kind of supercharger. The idea here is that by doing this Universe will be forced to hand over an answer in order to make me look like an ass. Something it relishes in doing, and so I'm trying to basically blackmail Universe. Now this is really dangerous and I'm just about sure I can't trick her and will get my butt kicked for messing round. Time will tell. Universe has it's objectives and it gets what it wants, one way or the other. I'm trying to work with Universe but am impatient because I myself don't have all the time in the Universe to wait for an answer. We shall see what comes of this monkey business but I wouldn't be surprised if I wake tomorrow wearing a dunce cap.
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for a while I researched reports of broken UFOs
one tells of a craft that was having issues flying, it wrecked shortly after being spotted leaking.
and it was leaking pure molten nickle
so it could just be that mercury is useful here because it is a metal that is liquid at our room temps.
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Rotational fields.

"A thousand years hence, the telephone and the motion picture camera may be obsolete, but the principle of the rotating magnetic field will remain a vital, living thing for all time to come.
Telsa.

We have been told how the magnetic field works. We have Ufopolitics videos, we have Ken Wheeler's book, and above all else we have Telsa. ...
Hi Gambeir,

I don't see where the theories of Wheeler and Ufo using vortex magnetic fields have any relationship to Mr. Tesla's principle of the rotating magnetic field which is taught in most if not every textbook on AC rotating machinery.

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Have to agree with bistander on this one. If i remember correct one of the descriptions i read mentioned the central tube being silvered, which is what would happen to a tube containing mercury vapor (wetting). Picture this, what if at the bottom of the tube you have a tungsten point (shown), but a tungsten ring at the top (not shown). The tube is filled with mercury vapor and conducting a high enough voltage to ionize the gas. The tube is being influenced by a magnetic field who's n-s, s-n axis is in line (parallel) with the axis of the tube. What might occur? Remember this is old tech 40-50's (stay simple). Have you heard of the TR3B, if supposedly uses a ring of superconducting mercury vapor rotated @ relativistic velocities causing a weight loss of up to 90%.
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I don't see where the theories of Wheeler and Ufo using vortex magnetic fields have any relationship to Mr. Tesla's principle of the rotating magnetic field which is taught in most if not every textbook on AC rotating machinery.

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It was not only a valuable discovery, capable of extensive practical application. It was a revelation of new forces and new phenomena unknown to science before.

IMO, the "extensive practical application" is what is taught. The "new forces and new phenomena" is the part I'm interested in. Electricity, both AC and DC, was known, as was magnetism and electromagnetism. So what are the new forces and phenomena that were revealed in that work? As regards this thread, think about Tesla's flying machine. Was that an application of those new forces and phenomena?
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It was not only a valuable discovery, capable of extensive practical application. It was a revelation of new forces and new phenomena unknown to science before.

IMO, the "extensive practical application" is what is taught. The "new forces and new phenomena" is the part I'm interested in. Electricity, both AC and DC, was known, as was magnetism and electromagnetism. So what are the new forces and phenomena that were revealed in that work? As regards this thread, think about Tesla's flying machine. Was that an application of those new forces and phenomena?
What was the revelation if not the rotating magnetic field?

Before he revealed the rotating magnetic field its forces and phenomena were unknown, so they were new.

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What was the revelation if not the rotating magnetic field?

Before he revealed the rotating magnetic field its forces and phenomena were unknown, so they were new.

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Palm to the forehead! I often look too deeply into Tesla's words and only see a dummy looking back at me that looks just like me. That's kind of worrying -"The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite insane."

"There is something fascinating about science. One gets such wholesale returns of conjecture out of such a trifling investment of fact." - Mark Twain

Not that I claim to be a scientist in either case.
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