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the drawings you post are not to far off from what I am thinking,

so I hope I am getting close to a hardware test (i have one pulley left to build).
I am fairly confidant that the field needed is a vertical cone shaped magnetic field that is vertically spun
Seems like every time I get close to actually working on an idea something crops up to block me so I know the feeling well.

Also agree with the vertical cone shaped magnetic field.


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the hard part seems to be to get the magnetic field to spin while having enough field strength
Yes, recall too that the Alexey also took some time get this going as well. In thinking about this, recall that oxygen is paramagnetic, and perhaps it is that the surrounding atmosphere needs to come under the influence of a rotating magnetic field in order to for it to begin acting as a vortex moving inwards to the collector/accretion disk or other arrangement.

Also, neither the Alexey nor other UFO's are creating a tornado effect: There's no evident dust devils being thrown up. So it's not the air itself which is being driven by this system. It must be as you say; a magnetic vertical cone.


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so I am trying something that looks like what the ARV could be set up to do.
I have a large electromagnet with a physically spinning high magnetic permeable segmented disk in the middle of it on the same axes. I also have a smaller diameter magnetic coil set some distance over the top of the other coil.
this should make a vertical cone shaped magnetic field that is spinning on a vertical axes.
It seems to me that idea is worthy. Right now I'm thinking the magnetic permable disk might be served by having a dielectric material sandwiched between two plates. I'm thinking that once you get the surrounding atmosphere to cooperate, the ions in the air itself hold charges, which if drawn in to a dielectric could be collected by polarized plates. This fits with the drawing of the ARV's bottom plate as well and the reference to quartz as the dielectric material. That is a very conventional explanation but in reality is probably entirely incorrect, as the reality is much more likely to be that the dielectric counter-spatial field is what's producing the electrical potential in the dielectric and the whole idea is to get this thing acting like a kind of galactic vacuum cleaner that then powers something akin to a pulse jet motor.

In this HD UFO image you can clearly see what appears to be bubbles above and below the machine. There appears to be ring forms being broadcast downwards beneath the vehicle as if pulsed magnetic donuts, and forming as you say a vertical cone. (HD Image Here) Click on the image to study it in detail. Notice the blue light trail as well.
https://fsmedia.imgix.net/ea/d4/8e/7...from-1958.jpeg


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Low RPM tests with a week magnetic field did not get me anything. but everything tells me that I need much higher speeds and to be able to turn up the magnetic coils way higher.
the issues should be solved here somewhat soon.
if that does not get me any results, I will try to make the magnetic field with a moving electrostatic field. the issue I have with that method is that I am not positive as to how to set the magnetic polarity and shape it with that method.
Well it does seem like there is correlation to the RPM of the motional magnetic field and the results as opposed to simply applying greater magnetic field strength. I would be patient because if the Alexey is real what it seems to suggest is that it takes nearly a hour of spinning before any effect begins to be observed. It is interesting that the Alexey did not require much power.
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Old 07-12-2019, 02:31 AM
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So now I believe that one of the keys to understanding the operation of these machines is contained in an appreciation for the term "Phase Shift." A little bamboozling to pin down at first glance. When I created this little toy experiment I had not linked phase shift to how it might apply to something like a tetrahedronal toy vehicle.

However, if you take a material which reacts to the magnetic field, as aluminum does, as graphite does, and then send it running down a track, logic says that with increase speed there will be increased reactive effects. In other words, a motional magnetic field applied to a design, Alexey or Tetrahedronal, can produce a dissymmetry in the magnetic fields, and I believe that is what you're seeing in the HD image of the UFO released by the CIA shown in the previous posts.

If these ideas are correct and illustrate one of the basic principles behind the operation of these machines then there is plenty of room for improvement.
An airplane is an airplane, and it doesn't matter if it's a Convair F-106 Mach 2 capable all weather interceptor or a Wright Flyer, they all work off the same principles.

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By "Phase Shift" we are talking about a shift in the polar fields of the magnet, meaning one side larger than the other, and so naturally then one might ask how to accomplish this. Well evidently the tetrahedron arrangement makes for a kind of automatic phase shift.

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* Just a note on recreating the toy rig.

I need to add that if you re-create this toy it's not just going to take off. I can see that probably half the people who do re-create this will quickly decide it's bogus. For one thing you have to hold the plate on an angle and tap the plate to get it to begin sliding. Don't expect immediate statisfaction. It seems to get better with use.

The other complaint would be that just setting the tetrahedron on a teflon coated steel plate like I used is all alone enough to send the vehicle down the plate as fast or faster than the other means of propelling it with the tent and magnets, but that's missing the point which becomes apparent once you eventually see this contraption slide along, stop, start, stop, then scuttle forwards, and occassionally resume it' previous speed. So there's something definitely going on with this and I think it's caused by a phase shift brought about by the dissymmetry of the tetrahedron shape.

Holding the plate adjust for the least amount of angle necessary just before the test rig likes to begin sliding, and then using a finger on the uphill side give the plate some slight taps, and the vibrations should begin to gently start the tetrahedron along it's way. Ususally it will hang up somewhere along the track because, after all, look at the materials you're working with; aluminum cut from a can and folded across the corner of a table, pencil lead, paper, glue, and some very small magnets.

What you should see from time to time is that the tetrahedron slows or completely stops, only to once more shuttle forwards, or sometimes it just seems to zip right down the guide tent and off the end. All the while you have to hold the pan at an unchanging and unmoving angle.
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From time to time I check in with the National UFO Reporting Center. You would also be well advised to keep tabs on this topic by visiting and supporting that site.
National UFO Reporting Center

There are several recent reports filed which I'm sure some will find highly interesting.

Just a little ways down you should read this report filed by a gentleman now dying and who has nothing to lose. Full text published on the linked page.

Eglin Air Force Base, Florida, March 01st, 1978, @ 10:00 a.m. (Eastern)—An adult male describes witnessing a disc-shaped craft, with USAF insignias affixed to it, sitting in and Air Force hangar during a conducted tour of the base by a group of young AFROTC cadets. We post below the complete text of the gentleman’s written report, which does not yet appear in our database of cases
* Go to the link to read this account and others. Highly recommended.

Also from a Nurse in North Seattle.
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Viktor Schauberger's sketch of the Jense flight machine (JFM-Jenseitsflugmaschine) is our first real clue as to how to manipulate the ether (*counterspace).

It is of extreme importance to me to make note that none of this would really have been possible without the mind of Ken Wheeler whose work has enabled a revived understanding of the simplicity of nature, and which happily coincided with the invention of the ferrocell lens. There is no doubt that the freely given book produced by Ken Wheeler is very likely the single most important text written in the last century and quite possibly ever.

Now having said all that with regards to the importance of Ken's work, what you should see in the JFM-Jenseitsflugmaschine, or otherworldly sketch, is a division between magnetic polar fields which is created by dividing those polar fields through use of a center plate to be precise.



The whole basic operating scheme lies in understanding magnetism as a product of the ether, and then in figuring out how to create two magnetic bubbles which are asymmetrical magnetic fields, and I do believe it really is that simple of an idea in concept. Executing this concept is another matter and since the criminals holding this information secret will not assist then we have to do it ourselves. I can't do this alone, nor should I, nor should you.

To divert this inquiry for a moment, and so that you can be sure that we and others are on to something with this whole entire hidden history of Nazi Saucer Technology, you can be 100% absolutely positive of that when a Toy Plastic Model creates a "****storm." *Note here that I admit I'm fond of that term because Richard Nixon used that term in private. It's not a term I had ever heard until the Nixon Tapes and records became public.

Ironically the same model company that created the last toy plastic model "****storm" is now also responsible for the second coming "****storm." This last one over the release of the Haunebu II plastic model kit. Revell Models is famous for having created the first "****storm" when it created a plastic model of the USS George Washington. A Nuclear Powered Posiden Missile Submarine of the early 1960's. That "****storm" resulted in a raid on Revell by government goons. Interestingly the pretext for that action was to protect state secrets, while this action was caused by the lying mass media fanning the flames of hate saying these models glorified fascism. How I can't imagine since Revell might be successful but is nowhere near the likes of Exxon Mobil. One can only imagine this was all constructed to protect what is now manifestly obviously a deeply concealed truth. https://haunebu.org/nazi-ufo-haunebu-2/

I think that Revell is going to have the last laugh because all evidence proves conclusively, and without any doubt whatsoever in my own mind, that these Vril Saucer were real and operational. Time and independent experiments will validate this without any doubt whatsoever in my mind and the reason for holding that belief begins with otherworldly sketch of the JFM-Jenseitsflugmaschine.

So now, hopefully, and I pray to God Almighty for your sakes and those of your own kids, that it should "now" be apparent and manifest that to create a repulsion vehicle you have to create a kind of asymmetrical magnetic field. That's what the otherworldly sketch of the JFM-Jenseitsflugmaschine is all about.

That illustration depicts a basic model which is somehow vacuuming in the vacuum of the surrounding counterspace, and which is this very second flowing straight through your own body, making life possible, making the 3D reality your conscious mind knows a hard physical fact which is created by expanding matter into a three dimensional form, and producing magnetism and electricity which are the fundamental basis of contemporary so-called modern life. Although even I must admit one has to wonder how modern considering what some Nurse reported to the National UFO Reporting Center, but hey there are no aliens so she has to be mistaken.

Now before I launch into something worthwhile and possibly significant I want to point out for one last time that Jet Planes began with bamboo, tissue paper, and rubber bands. Bamboo because no one put two and two together enough to realize that South America had balsa trees in the 1890's, which is the ideal and prefered material for model airplanes. Therefore, just because you don't have the ideal materials doesn't mean you cannot build the basic concept of how something might work. Toy's and toy experiments are not to be triffled with as petty and dismissed thoughtlessly, at least not if you have an ounce of sense, and that is why I also posted the story about the trials and tribulations of the Revell Model Company, because this understanding is not missed by the ruling powers that be. That *Sh*t Storm was entirely organized to remove this toy from the creative minds of the youth whom gravitate to idealistic goals and whom establish life long objectives early in life. The very last thing the rulers want is them making models of UFO's and then spending the rest of their lives trying to make a real one! The war on Revell had absolutely nothing at all to do with Nazism and everything to do with the creativity of our species.

You can be sure that where there is smoke there is fire.

Now, while I consider my next babbling post consider this next illustration which inspired me.
Source: Haunebu and Vril Engine Diagrams

A useful and good source to consult.

Haunebu and Vril Engine Diagrams
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In our next post let us consider what the good folks over at Proton Aerospace have to say, but first take time to look at the photo's and other information available on that site. They have done a great deal of research and collected what amounts to a super superior website dedicated to this mission, and encompassing a wide range of focused and valuable information together with their own thoughts. They deserve to be recognized for their hard work.

Haunebu Photos
My personal favorite screw you new world order taxation law makers.
RECON VRIL DISC WHICH HAD A
PLEXIGLASS TOP, SEATED 2 PASSENGERS.

Proton-Aerospace

http://www.proton-aerospace.com/imag...vitator-71.jpg

"THIS IS THE THULE GRAVITY ENGINE DESIGN, SAID TO BE MORE ADVANCED THEN THE ORIGINAL VIRL ENGINE DESIGN. THIS APPEARS TO POSSIBLY HAVE TWO GYRO DISCS, WHICH WOULD SPIN IN OPPOSITE DIRECTIONS. FOR SOME REASON, ONE WAS ALWAYS A DIFFERENT SIZE THEN THE OTHER. WHICH DIRECTION
DID THEY SPIN AND WHY?
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OK, done your homework yet? >

Two things in the design of the Thule Gravity Engine stand out in my mind. One, it employ's so-called gyro disk's, spinning in opposite directions, and two, there are two different sizes in this so-called gyro-disk's. Meaning the tetrahedron shapes are of different size. Notice that? In fact I'm not even sure the upper tetrahedron's even rotate at all because there's a counter rotation propeller underneath this drawing, which is a typical cheap work around to countering rotational torque. This strongly suggests that only the lower and larger tetrahedronal disk's spun, or could spin with a variable speed, the other top disk being set or set to a constant speed of rotation when in operation is much more likely.

Refer back to my own little experimental test rigg. What do you think is going on with that toy, and why would you then use different sized tetrahedronal shapes unless, of course, your goal is to like to create some kind of dissymmetry?


Are you people listening or not? Jus asking...snort~

Ok, so now you should be getting a sense of what's going on with this stuff. One, you're like feeding an asymmetrical field in from the bottom tetrahedron, and you're like also feeding in another asymmetrical field from the top tetrahedronal shape which is smaller too, and in addition you've attached both to two different rotating plates (gyro-disk's), with both gyro-disk's capable of being spun in opposite directions. With this arrangement you can now control the amount of energy being feed into a whole that's divided in half. Speeding up one half and slowing down the other is obviously the primary gravitaional control platform. Now are you getting the gist of this machine or not?
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Now of course I'm not saying this correct, but I feel it is closing in on the magnetic field propulsion system. You might say it's food for thought. A lot left to think about how this is all put together as a working device, but the parts are making sense in broad terms. Generally speaking, negative and positives are polar ends of the magnetic field, and not to be confused with electrical terminals. The Schappeller Device is evidently divided unequally, apparently to assist in creating an un-equal asymmetrical magnetic field, more on the Schappeller Prime Mover later but it is a power plant, hence the term prime mover.


The drawing/sketch takes some thinking or experience with blueprint reading. It's probably best to think about this in terms of the magnetic field as described by Wheeler although magnetism and electricity are the same energy source and the Karl Schappeller Device is a known and studied device, not a fictional construct by any means.

* Also, if you know what the symbols represent then please let me in on the secret. Right now I think they are Sumerian but haven't had time to look, if they are mathematical/electrical let me know. Any information or ideas on those is valued.

* Also remember Joe Parr~ Remember he was working on classified information/civilization/alien in the Antarctic and ends up sitting on top of the Great Pyramid, evidently the only guy to spend the whole night up there BTW. Your spider sense's should be tingling. Joe Parr's Pyramid Gravity Research
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was dreaming about this topic, and it will not let me sleep well till I post this. the dream also tells me that I need to get a new keyboard for my computer...

here is why you would want the counter rotating magnetic fields.

let us for a moment look at the electrostatic lifter.
it moves to the smaller plate when charged (polarity does not matter unless you have ion wind, but ion wind is a small percentage of any movement).
let us for a moment not worry about why it does this, but look at it from a more mechanical way.
just when you start to get useful thrust out of an electrostatic lifter, the air breaks down and it arks across it, so it is quite limited in what it can do.

now let us solve this from a purely practical point of view.
a rotating magnetic field will induce an electric field over a volume.
and when you do that, it induces it on everything, conductors, insulators, whatever, so there is no chance it will ark over.
the way we do this is to use a large magnetic field (as in the large coil at the middle of the ARV), and a spinning segmented disk made of a high magnetic permeability material. This induces a voltage over the local area. now you might not get a good effect out of just that, but then again you have not yet made the equivalent of the electrostatic lifter. So you have to add another electromagnet that is a smaller diameter, you keep the polarity of the smaller one the same, so it necks down the magnetic field at the top. Now add a smaller spinning segmented disk (inside the smaller magnetic coil) that is spinning the opposite direction so that your induced electric field is the opposite polarity.
this gives you the exact format of the electrostatic lifter, and it does it in a way that will not ark over, therefor you can get all the movement you want as long as your fields are strong enough.
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was dreaming about this topic, and it will not let me sleep well till I post this. the dream also tells me that I need to get a new keyboard for my computer...

here is why you would want the counter rotating magnetic fields.

let us for a moment look at the electrostatic lifter.
it moves to the smaller plate when charged (polarity does not matter unless you have ion wind, but ion wind is a small percentage of any movement).
let us for a moment not worry about why it does this, but look at it from a more mechanical way.
just when you start to get useful thrust out of an electrostatic lifter, the air breaks down and it arks across it, so it is quite limited in what it can do.

now let us solve this from a purely practical point of view.
a rotating magnetic field will induce an electric field over a volume.
and when you do that, it induces it on everything, conductors, insulators, whatever, so there is no chance it will ark over.
the way we do this is to use a large magnetic field (as in the large coil at the middle of the ARV), and a spinning segmented disk made of a high magnetic permeability material. This induces a voltage over the local area. now you might not get a good effect out of just that, but then again you have not yet made the equivalent of the electrostatic lifter. So you have to add another electromagnet that is a smaller diameter, you keep the polarity of the smaller one the same, so it necks down the magnetic field at the top. Now add a smaller spinning segmented disk (inside the smaller magnetic coil) that is spinning the opposite direction so that your induced electric field is the opposite polarity.
this gives you the exact format of the electrostatic lifter, and it does it in a way that will not ark over, therefor you can get all the movement you want as long as your fields are strong enough.
Clues here; Welcome to PROJECT 1947
There is a consistent trail of materials along with pointer clues as to the placement on the vehicle/s. I came across this site and information several years back. It was mysterious information back then, but today I'm able to read through this with a greater understanding of what these materials are, and therefore for what purpose.

Keeping in mind that each analysis is taken from fragment of a material vehicle in specific epoch's of time also gives a sort of historical oversight to the development and or alternate test vehicles from which these fragments were collected.

A PRELIMINARY CATALOGUE OF ALLEGED “FRAGMENTS” REPORTEDLY
ASSOCIATED WITH SIGHTINGS OF UNIDENTIFIED AERIAL PHENOMENA
WHERE ANALYSIS(ES) WAS/WERE CONDUCTED
http://www.project1947.com/kbcat/kbuapfrag.htm

There are a couple from the Roswell area which I think are revealing.
where in one case the same is described as very brittle, and composed of an epoxy resin with a quartz filler and painted “black” one one side and a “red" on the otherside.

Another report coming from an anonymous source and mailed to Art Bell and Linda Moulton Howe, purportedly also taken from the Roswell Crash, is also interesting with one sample with a 99% aluminium content and of normal density.

Two other small pieces said to have been part of the outer hull of the destroyed vehicle were however quite a bit more complex.
"Conclusions: shiny side contained greater than 95% magnesium; 2-3% zinc, layers – Mg and small Zn separated by thin layers of high bismuth content. Thin, wavy layers of bismuth 1-4 microns thick; the Mg/Zn layer was 100-200 microns thick. 26+ alternating layers."
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