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here is an idea,
let us say that you get a gravity field generator working,
how do you power it ?
you need to extract power out somewhere to run the thing.
and all of what we see so far of the fluxliner and other tests with spinning magnetic disks don't show any clear way to extract energy.
I was wondering this when I remembered the fluid spotted in the central core of the ships told about from abduction stories.
so, if I were trying to get power from something that had an unequal gravity field, I might set up tubes in a loop with some heavy liquid and use its motion to turn a generator (some sort of water wheel type setup), and the heavier the liquid, the better it would work, so mercury would be ideal.
I think this idea fits pretty well with the entire design and what little we have been told from ones who saw it all working.
What about just an un~equal magnetic field spacecase0?
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not sure,
usually magnetic things find a static state near a magnetic field and just stay there, would have to think about how that could be done.
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If you are using saline for electricity conduction, then salt water planets are great for landing.
To travel a great distance without necessities is illogical so use a system that is extremely simple in its form.
To recharge from salt water?
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On the matter of physical balloons;

In 1670, a Jesuit Monk, Francis Lana, suggested an aircraft based on the principle of creating vacuum balloons in his book Prodromo dell'Arte Maestra.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vacuum_airship


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Lightweight pressurized "sheet sandwich" wall for a "vacuum" spherical container will not backle under 14.7 psi or less.



Why Inflatable? - SUP on the fly


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If all space distortion transports were made of gold, the physics would be better electricly but the morphology of the atomic structure would need to be reversed or the gold strengthened with an alloying metal or two or three dozen for atmospheric pressures or lack there of.
Salt doesnít bother gold.
Gold stars in the sky look like...it moved, it ainít no star!
Ha, a drone again.
Last one came by here got shot down.
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If you are using saline for electricity conduction, then salt water planets are great for landing.
To travel a great distance without necessities is illogical so use a system that is extremely simple in its form.
To recharge from salt water?
You're a mind reader Pot head. I have to put together some illustrations to consider that came to mind because of Spacecase0's comment.
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Lightweight pressurized "sheet sandwich" wall for a "vacuum" spherical container will not backle under 14.7 psi or less.



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Thanks for re-posting. I've been occupied and haven't had time to respond as I would like, so more later after some home problem solving, but I've also been looking at 3D printing on a large format, along with laser sinstering 3D machines.

A logical solution to making a vacuum balloon is with a 3D printer. Keeping weight down is primarily accomplished by increasing depth while using a lighter fill material. Airplanes and boats have been accomplishing this by using balsa sheathed with aluminum and composites for a very long time. Structural strength using interlocking blocks that produce a vacuum seal and forming an arch structure to create a sphere is an entirely logical approach.

Just off hand I know that a 39/40 foot diameter balloon filled with hydrogen will lift about 1,000 lbs. This is what a Japanese balloon bomb was capable of lifting. Any vacuum balloon of the same diameter should lift at least the same amount. A vacuum balloon is an engineering, materials, and manufacturing problem, and today we have all the tools to make an honest attempt at creating such a balloon. Computers, 3D printing, and materials like carbon fiber and kevlar are now all off the shelf accessible materials.
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Imagine the ion drive using saline ďlikeĒ ďbloodĒ flowing around the entire power unit or ship creature thing that is artificial intelligence and alive to the point as it is an extension of your body like a finger
Would a doctor of veterinary medicine refer to a human doctor or vice versus?
What about the chlorophyll incorporated into the water purification system that requires true light for a naturally healthy transport?
The biological functionality would be like a planetary cycle but on a smaller scale.
The unit should be a micro star system like a micro wormhole but just the opposite.
The power is all natural and creates life.
Now build it.
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Thanks for re-posting. I've been occupied and haven't had time to respond as I would like, so more later after some home problem solving, but I've also been looking at 3D printing on a large format, along with laser sinstering 3D machines.

A logical solution to making a vacuum balloon is with a 3D printer. Keeping weight down is primarily accomplished by increasing depth while using a lighter fill material. Airplanes and boats have been accomplishing this by using balsa sheathed with aluminum and composites for a very long time. Structural strength using interlocking blocks that produce a vacuum seal and forming an arch structure to create a sphere is an entirely logical approach.

Just off hand I know that a 39/40 foot diameter balloon filled with hydrogen will lift about 1,000 lbs. This is what a Japanese balloon bomb was capable of lifting. Any vacuum balloon of the same diameter should lift at least the same amount. A vacuum balloon is an engineering, materials, and manufacturing problem, and today we have all the tools to make an honest attempt at creating such a balloon. Computers, 3D printing, and materials like carbon fiber and kevlar are now all off the shelf accessible materials.
the topic may have made the news
https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-...rpa-experiment
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I used rubbers and helium and then aluminum tape in odd shapes then I released thousands of them over an enemy combatant, the radar equipment registered an all out invasion and revealed there strategy.
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Okay man, think about space displacement when it comes to three dimensional realignment, i.e., movement through the heavens.
Saline like superconducting fluids are a different animal and the physics are a better overall Q than the current superconductors available to the public sector.
This setup is a vacuum of space propulsion unit with superconducting coils allowing space to be used as the flow of magnetic focusing.
Magnetic focusing i.e., gravity amplifiers.
The ion drive would be initiated and you start up the shields to protect the craft, the gravity field is focused in the correct orientation to aid the ion drive.
The gravity amplifiers are powered up and you go to full potential.
How fast is not the question but how long does it take to move the mass up to full speed potential?
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Imagine the ion drive using saline “like” “blood” flowing around the entire power unit or ship creature thing that is artificial intelligence and alive to the point as it is an extension of your body like a finger
Would a doctor of veterinary medicine refer to a human doctor or vice versus?
What about the chlorophyll incorporated into the water purification system that requires true light for a naturally healthy transport?
The biological functionality would be like a planetary cycle but on a smaller scale.
The unit should be a micro star system like a micro wormhole but just the opposite.
The power is all natural and creates life.
Now build it.
Sorry for the slow reply; having some home issues which are delaying my attention.

First of all; why artificial? There is at least one known report I read from the 1920's/30's of a barnstormer encountering what was, evidently, a sky creature of some kind. Maybe someone has a link to that story?

My point is simply that if there is a way then you can count on nature having already found it long ago: Those video's of pulsating orbs in and around the space station do not look like machines. They look like some kind of critter. I like your take on superfluidity of counterspace as a kind of blood, because the wormhole to consciousness is represented by a falaco soliton, and you can be sure about that because of a large involvement right now in R&D in medical research focused on soliton's of all kinds; though most of these people are clueless what the objective of their work is actually about.

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Hmm, reads like a cover story is my thinking.
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[SIZE="5"]Okay man, think about space displacement when it comes to three dimensional realignment, i.e., movement through the heavens.
I have, and am computing, but....slowly.

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Saline like superconducting fluids are a different animal and the physics are a better overall Q than the current superconductors available to the public sector.
Wheeler has some stuff to say about what superconduction really is somewhere's. Don't remember where exactly unfortunately.

You're on the right track however because the history behind this technology clearly established that the first priority was to attempt to somehow re-create a facsimile of counter-space by creating liquid helium, and thereafter super magnets which were also super-cooled.

The drive to create room temp super conduction is diversionary and comes out of complete lack of knowledge about what a magnetic field actually is.

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This setup is a vacuum of space propulsion unit with superconducting coils allowing space to be used as the flow of magnetic focusing.
Magnetic focusing i.e., gravity amplifiers.
The ion drive would be initiated and you start up the shields to protect the craft, the gravity field is focused in the correct orientation to aid the ion drive.
The gravity amplifiers are powered up and you go to full potential.
How fast is not the question but how long does it take to move the mass up to full speed potential?
Yes, I'm with you generally speaking, and thoughts along these lines were in my mind as well. Will have to think about this for a while to see if some more logic emerges out of it, but there is a great deal of logic to it.
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Personally, if I built a ship, it would be a Dyson sphere where the inside is completely land and the center is a star.
Then you can go places with an entire fleet of ships inside orbiting your star while driving the sphere to its destination.
Entire existence inside.
But mom, I donít want to go out...unless I get to keep one of them for a pet.
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An Inquiry in to the Alien Reproduction Vehicle

So along those lines Spacecase0 is Weyland's Hydrostatic Water Engine. Similar concept with different descriptors; instead of unequal EM gravity you have the application of atmospheric pressure and hydraulics. Considering the aether as a kind of superfluid and gravity as a rate of EM induction then Weyland's design is worth thinking about.

I want to plug his post here in case others haven't noticed it yet. This is a can do build well within the abilities of most people.
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To paraphrase my own understanding, which is strongly supported by history and data, but best explained by Wheeler: Distance's in space are a product; the deceleration of the inertial energies of counter-space, which as a result produce distance, and the reason for this is that deceleration of counter~spatial energies is what creates all dimensions in our space through the creation of the EM field. That is to say, slowed inertial energies from a background hyper~velocity energy field is what creates the EM field which enables matter to take physical form: This explains our reality as we know it.

It's important to realize that counter space is hyper-space. That counter space is what is depicted in Star War's/Star Trek as hyperspace and warp speed. Time and distance are synonymous to human experience. In hyper~space time is therefore without meaning in relation to distance. Who know's if this energy field has other prospects regarding the matter of time, but all evidence of people lost in hyper-spatial vortex fields, of which there are numerous accounts, say's that this field has no direct linked relationship to our time.

It's pretty clear to me that all of these ideas were known by the turn of the last century. The idea of space & distance being a product of some kind all penetrating hyper~velocity energy field was understood, at least hypothetically by the turn of the last century as well, and explains the focus put on this idea by Pyotr Kapitsa and then later developments to try to replicate the nature of this aether by creating superfluids beginning with the efforts to create liquid helium.
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Electrical Charged Superfluid Plasma Cosmology: Kapitza Superfluid Jet Powered Spider Galaxy Cosmology Model

Now if you refer back to a post by ET Power Post on Joe Newman on page #4 there's a cross correlation to what we are discussing here. Speculating here now, but since the Newman description involves helium gas subjected to an EM field, the copper winding's around the balloon (in an apparent horizontal plane) would indicate that with applied power there is a rational reason to expect that a probability of potential effect might take place. In other words, it might not be so improbable as it would first appear, and one cannot help but think of the very ancient reports of flying cigars seen and reported by people when no airships or blimps were known to have existed, let alone wandering about the globe. If you don't count aliens flying zeppelin's through space, and I don't, then if one takes these reports as factual and truthful only one other conclusion can be arrived at.
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So along those lines Spacecase0 is Weyland's Hydrostatic Water Engine. Similar concept with different descriptors; instead of unequal EM gravity you have the application of atmospheric pressure and hydraulics. Considering the aether as a kind of superfluid and gravity as a rate of EM induction then Weyland's design is worth thinking about.

I want to plug his post here in case others haven't noticed it yet. This is a can do build well within the abilities of most people.
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To paraphrase my own understanding, which is strongly supported by history and data, but best explained by Wheeler: Distance's in space are a product; the deceleration of the inertial energies of counter-space, which as a result produce distance, and the reason for this is that deceleration of counter~spatial energies is what creates all dimensions in our space through the creation of the EM field. That is to say, slowed inertial energies from a background hyper~velocity energy field is what creates the EM field which enables matter to take physical form: This explains our reality as we know it.

It's important to realize that counter space is hyper-space. That counter space is what is depicted in Star War's/Star Trek as hyperspace and warp speed. Time and distance are synonymous to human experience. In hyper~space time is therefore without meaning in relation to distance. Who know's if this energy field has other prospects regarding the matter of time, but all evidence of people lost in hyper-spatial vortex fields, of which there are numerous accounts, say's that this field has no direct linked relationship to our time.

It's pretty clear to me that all of these ideas were known by the turn of the last century. The idea of space & distance being a product of some kind all penetrating hyper~velocity energy field was understood, at least hypothetically by the turn of the last century as well, and explains the focus put on this idea by Pyotr Kapitsa and then later developments to try to replicate the nature of this aether by creating superfluids beginning with the efforts to create liquid helium.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pyotr_Kapitsa
Electrical Charged Superfluid Plasma Cosmology: Kapitza Superfluid Jet Powered Spider Galaxy Cosmology Model

Now if you refer back to a post by ET Power Post on Joe Newman on page #4 there's a cross correlation to what we are discussing here. Speculating here now, but since the Newman description involves helium gas subjected to an EM field, the copper winding's around the balloon (in an apparent horizontal plane) would indicate that with applied power there is a rational reason to expect that a probability of potential effect might take place. In other words, it might not be so improbable as it would first appear, and one cannot help but think of the very ancient reports of flying cigars seen and reported by people when no airships or blimps were known to have existed, let alone wandering about the globe. If you don't count aliens flying zeppelin's through space, and I don't, then if one takes these reports as factual and truthful only one other conclusion can be arrived at.
http://www.energeticforum.com/303274-post91.html
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If all space distortion transports were made of gold, the physics would be better electricly but the morphology of the atomic structure would need to be reversed or the gold strengthened with an alloying metal or two or three dozen for atmospheric pressures or lack there of.
Space by enlarge has no significant matter in it to act upon. The Einsteinian concept of warping space is an impossibility based on rational logic. It's not like air with molecules drifting about. Tesla instinctively understood this and so did others, but today the conventional education system is wedded to the Einsteinian belief, and it really is just a belief created by propaganda. This corrupt physics is a major part of the foundation that form what is today's educational racketeering scam. In other word's, the story has been told and sold several hundred million times over and there's no going back now. To do so risks the crumbling of a multibillion dollar criminally inspired mind control system.

So now the conventional explanations of how space travel to the stars is imagined, and as explained by supposed experts, is accomplished by using the Einsteinian belief that space is moldable, and this belief sits atop the idea that gravity is a field of energy possessed by matter, and that matter bunched up produces a warping of space, sometimes referred to as a gravity well. Out of this insanity was born the wacky idea that when you clump enough matter together it begins to compress on it's own self until it eventually begins falling inwards and sucking surrounding space and everything in it inside, and this mentally defective thinking is what the idiots of science now call black holes, but remember now, this is all based on the idea that matter is possessed of an energy field inventively called gravity.

So the beginnings of this investigation started with gaining an understanding of how space travel is supposed to work according to the Einsteinian concept of gravity being a field which distorts space, and under that idea then comes the notion that space may be seen as a lattice of crystalline formations which, when acted upon by energy, can be distorted and it is from that notion where we get this idea of warp drive being a mode of transportation. However, once again the aware reader will note that this too is also entirely based on the idea that gravity distorts space, and by extension we too can distort space if only we just apply enough energy to it, and finally out of all this comes the realization that the energy required to preform this warping of space is huge.

The point of this outline is to give you an over-view of the principles behind what conventional science thinks and say's about the requirements of space travel to the stars. It is a freebee of sorts, and given so that you don't have torture yourself as I've had to do, and only then to find out that this notion of gravity as a kind of field possessed by matter is fundamentally unsound. Now I've covered some of the people here in this thread that have spent a great deal of time and energy figuring out what it would take to accomplish this warping of space as explained by Einstein, and they are neither idiots nor gullible people, but they may not have the same exposure to fraud and criminal activity that I have had and therefore have never considered that maybe they were being lied to.

Real space travel to the stars is not going to come out the Einsteinian Fantasy World. Travel to the stars will come out a renewed enlightenment as to the reality of the aether and what it is and does. We already have a fair amount of understanding of this energy field and some of it's qualities can be seen with empirical testing. Quartz for example is a dielectric because like a magnet it too has the aether passing through it's crystal lattice in such a way as to create an electric potential while a magnets crystal lattice forms the passing aetheric field into a "reciprocating hyperbolide."

"Electricity is Ether in a state of dynamic polarization; magnetism is Ether in a state of dynamic circular polarization upon itself, is the radiative termination of electrical discharge; dielectricity is the Ether under stress or strain. The motions and strains of the Ether give rise to electrification. Phi times Psi gives Q; ‘electrons’ do not mediate these electrical and magnetic forces or their likewise the Ether fields. There are no electrons, negative charges, special-dimensions, warped space (resoundingly denied by Tesla and others), and no photons; only charge, induction and radiation/discharges and their relational spins, all as mediated through the Ether."
Ken Wheeler

Ground is counter~space which you might consider to be the bloch wall of a magnet, and if you took a magnetic field line and stretched it out to form a line, and then linked it to another ground you should have energy flowing through that field line: A magnet is an electric potential because it does this but it does not do it as a partitioned field line as an electric line does. The field lines of a magnet are interleaved together in a self circulating form.

Notice on page 2
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The post by Allen Burgess
"Two separate, but electrically connected, toroidal coils of differing radii, carry magnetic flux in opposite directions about their common centerline".
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Then My post in response to his.
Nail ejected from same arrangement.
http://www.energeticforum.com/301600-post56.html

To eject the nail a solenoid must be formed wirelessly around the nail, and the point to this is that the Wheeler explanation of electrical transmission as a binary straight line (curled in a coil and starting at a center point but moving outwards in opposite directions is what I call a binary straight line) is then really an extension of a magnetic field line which is being projected through space. I believe this is what is being illustrated, and with the nail itself then forming a ground through the creation of a bloch wall as part of a now moving wireless electromagnet. It becomes a motional electromagnetic field when the nail, which is thus possessed of a bloch wall, and which we may consider the de facto ground is forced to move in conjunction with the motional magnetic line of force since it is now completing a circuit by becoming one with that field line in motion. The propulsion of which is a product of the ground following/moving in conjunction with the magnetic energy field line broadcast by the toroidal coils.

Now if we think about this for a while till it makes a bit of sense then it may help to understand how this concept of quartz particles bonded to gold fiber produces a propulsion system. I believe that this arrangement produces the starwars hyperspace system, only now it seems likely that instead of a quartz an aerogel may instead be in use as the dielectric accumulator.
https://rense.com/general54/babalc.htm

So, we do not distort space, we do not warp space, we move into the aether itself and become one with that hypervelocity energy field and that is what these black tetrahedron ships are apparently also doing.
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Very nice explanations, a lot to think about.
I have a belief that this universe is itself an immortal dreaming while in the womb of its formation.
We are itís animated dreams, from the beginning.
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We are it’s animated dreams, from the beginning.
Thank's Pot head; what I wrote is probably not entirely right but I doubt it could do nearly as much damage as has already been accomplished over the last 80 years.

A century of failed physics simply does not happen by accident. It can only happen because there's a purpose for making it happen, and that is why I think Einstein was a puppet whom the system represented as a genius, but God know's who he actually was: Knowing who Albert was is now like trying to find out who Hitler was, although there we have a lot more to work with.

Supposedly Einstein's wife did most of the mathematics for him, he stole or borrowed many of the idea's he is credited with, although this is not uncommon for historians to junkpile ideas upon one individual, and he would get lost on the Princeton campus and would stop strangers saying; "hello, I'm Albert Einstein; do you know where I live?" Facts like those do not fit a description of a genius. You're left wondering where is the real man in the propaganda that's been plastered over his iconic image. If computers had existed I might even suspect that he never was really real but who knows for certain, after all, stage craft has a long history too and the system is well acquainted with guile. Maybe he never existed after all; not really anyways.

Facts and other suspicious activities haunt and suggest that more was afoot when the ether theory was murdered. Einsteinian Physics may have not been all that it appeared to be when it was launched. Toss that in on top of the push for education which followed the last Global War and then throw on top of that what seems like a virtual UFO invasion, which this new game of physics couldn't explain and which it could only deny were real, and suddenly you've got cause to become suspicious.

We are now 74 years removed since the end of the last Global War and still we don't have an officially recognized physics which can give rational explanations for UFO's or almost any other observed phenomena. Gee, ya think maybe they don't know what they are talking about? I think three quarters of a century is enough time for physics to construct a plausible testable framework; don't you? Well they haven't and they have failed, not once, but again and again, and that just cannot happen unless there is active interference. Every investigator worth a dime knows that and that interference takes us back to the complicit whom are keeping human progress from advancing.

Everything I've looked at tells me that Henry Steven's nailed it. Physics was hijacked, and it was hijacked with an intention to destroy the pre-existing beliefs which previously underpinned physics. The Nobel Prize Committee, the complicity of the billionaires whom own not only the military industrial complex, but the broadcasting industry, and the complicity of their proxy education system have all worked together to stamp flat dissension, and to shove falsified tests out as facts, all of which has resulted in nearly a century of failed physics, one now so incompetent that it cannot even explain something like the ARV, at least not without resorting to fantastical amounts of power, and those applied to a vacuum devoid of any matter upon which this energy could possibly react with in the first place. As Steven's says in the pdf, we are living in dark age, we are just too mind controlled to even see it for what it really is.
https://free-energy-info.co.uk/Stevens.pdf

In an odd way this really does take the whole rant back to you.

We are living in an animated dream because consciousness is not a part of the biological body any more than a radio receiver is part of the music or vocal sounds which it also produces. The powers that be know that too. What you dream is what becomes real. Hence the fanatical determination to overthrown, highjack, or otherwise remain in total control over the monetary system, the educational system, the military, the religious houses of worship, the power grid, the political stooges, and right on down the list to the most absurd levels of minutia. If they can control the things which dominate your thoughts they control you and by extension the infamous they then control the reality that is formed out of the whole.

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Rober, put up a visual block or invite them over and explain to them what you are doing.
If they are ignorant then educate them, if they are never going to be your friend then ignore them and move forward,
That is very interesting view Pot Head
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Back in May of 2019 I wrote in my note book that I had solved a mystery by deciphering one of three clues left to us in the form of drawings from Nazi Germany. One of which is from Viktor Schauberger and not therefore specifically of Nazi Thule Society Origin.

Viktor Schauberger's drawing was; "released from the US military, which is a sketch of the otherworldly aircraft and bears the signature of Viktor Schauberger. Incidentally, according to the known information, this is the only sketch of the otherworldly aircraft."
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Both of these drawings are significant and telling if you've bothered to take the time to garner some appreciation of the true nature of the the magnetic field as explained by Wheeler, and because antigravity simply cannot be as complex as is imagined, at least not in principle, and the reason is that fundamentals cannot be extremely complex. An example can be seen in the history of aviation where model airplanes were flying and demonstrating the principles of flight, even if not recognized or understood, before most people had even considered making gliders for running jump flights from sand dunes and grassy hills.

I refer you to now look back upon the Alexy Device as a likely example of a contemporary model airplane, but one built from bamboo stick and tissue by boys in model clubs before the turn of the last century. You may see the truth of that statement if you look at the Schauberger drawing with some similar appreciation for what Ken Wheeler has revealed about the true nature of the magnetic field, and while understanding that what Henry Steven's wrote about aether physics as the guiding and prevailing understanding of how Universe Works, and at the time of the Schauberger illustration was a generally approved sort of conventional knowledge. The Schauberger drawing would be such that some people of a prior epoch in time might be able to reason out the gist of what was being shown all on their own and not seem a great mystery at all.

Aether Physics was edited out of public knowledge, but the Schauberger other worldly drawing does show a near exact appreciation for the real and true nature of the magnetic field. Evidently accomplished by way of a generalized understanding of Aether Physics. That drawing shows a central accretion disk with two counter rotating dielectric acceleration plates, one above and one below, which is something to think upon in my opinion since this is a precise sort of replication of the physical dynamics of the magnetic field as described by Wheeler and now mostly directly visible through a ferrocell lens.

Note the description of the Schauberger drawing because "Other Worldly" seem's a curious moniker to assign to a drawing made by a human don't ya think? You would also be well advised to read over the Grey Falcon article by Rob Arndt for that very reason. I'm increasingly suspious of the alien story meme given the sort of information provided by Arndt of evident Soviet UFO's seen by "creditable people," like say for example a US Senator traveling in the Soviet Union in 1950: Looking more and more to me like a hidden cold war with both sides pretending there are alien visitors; we have a lot more sensible and logical explanation for the UFO Waves than aliens by enlarge.
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the drawings you post are not to far off from what I am thinking,

so I hope I am getting close to a hardware test (i have one pulley left to build).
I am fairly confidant that the field needed is a vertical cone shaped magnetic field that is vertically spun
the hard part seems to be to get the magnetic field to spin while having enough field strength
so I am trying something that looks like what the ARV could be set up to do.
I have a large electromagnet with a physically spinning high magnetic permeable segmented disk in the middle of it on the same axes. I also have a smaller diameter magnetic coil set some distance over the top of the other coil.
this should make a vertical cone shaped magnetic field that is spinning on a vertical axes. Low RPM tests with a week magnetic field did not get me anything. but everything tells me that I need much higher speeds and to be able to turn up the magnetic coils way higher.
the issues should be solved here somewhat soon.
if that does not get me any results, I will try to make the magnetic field with a moving electrostatic field. the issue I have with that method is that I am not positive as to how to set the magnetic polarity and shape it with that method.
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we have a lot more sensible and logical explanation for the UFO Waves than aliens by enlarge.
In this way, our culture has some part in penning the narrative; weíre just as primed to associate symptoms
of sleep paralysis with aliens as, historically, Japanese people were with the kanashibari or Newfoundlanders with the ďOld Hag.Ē
These are just two of the many incarnations summoned to make sense of what may be the same vague events.

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In this way, our culture has some part in penning the narrative; we’re just as primed to associate symptoms
of sleep paralysis with aliens as, historically, Japanese people were with the kanashibari or Newfoundlanders with the “Old Hag.”
These are just two of the many incarnations summoned to make sense of what may be the same vague events.

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That's a great article by Brian Geiger. Especially considering his evident age.

Few people have more reasonable cause than myself to believe in aliens, and alien abduction as real phenomena, but given our species history I cannot accept that explanation. See for example the history of South America, of Chile, of Argentina, of the military junta's, the death squads, the participation of the Western Powers in making South America what it became as opposed to the ideals it set out with.

Understand this: Technology is a weapon first, a tool second, and helpful last. Always has been and always will be until further human development; a very unlikely happening.

There's two kinds of real abductions: Ones that are real and for those unfortunates they then become the "Desaparecidos," and then the others whom become, by enlarge, the unwitting tools in a mind control game.
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I have little doubt that for some individuals the belief in an abduction might possibly be explained by some of Geiger's thesis, but even there I think that many millions of people are being messed with, possibly indirectly using technology.

We humans have a long and terrible history with a lot of it tied directly to attempts to manipulate the conscious mind. Geiger does a wonderful job addressing that too, so don't get me wrong about that, he knows what he is talking about for sure. However, given the likely source of supposed UFO's I would first look to the minds behind that technology as the most likely explanation for abduction beliefs to be caused directly by physical intervention, with the then supportive factors outlined by Geiger as reinforcements to the implanted thoughts. In my opinion techonlogical intervention is almost assuredly the most probable and likely explanation for abduction phenomena, along with what is proven to be possible by directly intervening with hypnosis to implant thought and action. The main reason for seeing it that way is tied to the people who have the technology; the military industrialists, and they are physical means specialists, like for example using bombs and bullets and so they are naturally inclined to seek out physical means of intervention to obtain desired results. Above it all is the simple fact that whatever the real cause of the reported abduction phenomena, it is entirely in their interest in maintaining that illusion, and that fact combined with everything else forbids me form grasping a non-physical straw for explanations. Until I can drag an alien out of his space ship with my bare hands I won't be convinced the whole thing is not just one gigantic lie. Why should anyone else given the gigantic lies that have been sold and revealed. Once we gulp down the big lie all the others lies support it without questioning any of it and isn't this how we ended up with the big lie of Einsteins' gravity?

Still, Geiger's writing is wonderful and shows a depth of knowledge and understanding.
" We’ve already moved from the individual to society, but let’s take a look at the backdrop of it all. Perhaps this is an outgrowth of something that Nietzsche (with his death of god), Jung (with his plight of the individual and mass-mindedness), Fromm (with his burden of freedom), and countless other philosophers and classical psychologists have diagnosed our societies with. Each has a different name and framework for it, but it all strikes a similar chord. At its most general and symbolic level, this phenomenon concerns the prevailing sense of meaninglessness, aimlessness, and hollowness inordinately felt by Westerners of our day. "

The late Professor Ernest Becker of BC's Simon Frazer University wrote a couple of books; "Escape from Evil & Denials of Death." and this reference applies because Becker argued that the reason humans build monuments, immerse themselves and subjugate their individuality has to do with the titles of the books, both of which of course almost always ends with the complete opposite. Hitler understood this exceptionally well, saying that if you wanted to see the future man then look to national socialism. Unfortunately he may have been right.
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the drawings you post are not to far off from what I am thinking,

so I hope I am getting close to a hardware test (i have one pulley left to build).
I am fairly confidant that the field needed is a vertical cone shaped magnetic field that is vertically spun
the hard part seems to be to get the magnetic field to spin while having enough field strength
so I am trying something that looks like what the ARV could be set up to do.
I have a large electromagnet with a physically spinning high magnetic permeable segmented disk in the middle of it on the same axes. I also have a smaller diameter magnetic coil set some distance over the top of the other coil.
this should make a vertical cone shaped magnetic field that is spinning on a vertical axes. Low RPM tests with a week magnetic field did not get me anything. but everything tells me that I need much higher speeds and to be able to turn up the magnetic coils way higher.
the issues should be solved here somewhat soon.
if that does not get me any results, I will try to make the magnetic field with a moving electrostatic field. the issue I have with that method is that I am not positive as to how to set the magnetic polarity and shape it with that method.
I have to take a time out but will address your post. I think that the three plate arrangement is interestingly close in design to the Alexey.

I think that we need to talk about this but I'm a little tired right now. However the plates above and below are probably polarized electrically as was the Alexey, and possibly, or likely, the material itself for those plates is equally important. I can't decide yet on what type of material because though I have some collected data that probably will point the right direction I haven't yet tried to assimilate it into the drawing as to how it would all apply.

Anyways, aluminum is paramagnetic above it's neel temp, which means it's slightly attracted to the magnetic field but doesn't retain magnetism. Paramagnetics include oxygen, aluminum, titanium and iron oxides.

Even though electrons don't really exist, and are almost certainly theorized misunderstanding which likely reflect 2D counter space producing orbital electrial and magnetic planes, we can still utilize the theory, and here then is where we are going to have to think about how this all might fit together, because in anitferomagnetism the spin of the aether (electrons) aligns in regular patterns with neighboring lattices, but harboring spinning aether (electrons) in the exact opposite direction. This is like ferromagnetism in behavior but applied opposite to the induced aether field creating anti-ordered spin states.

Then we must next consider Antiferomagnetism Geometric Frustration, where anti-ferromagnetism can lead to "multiple optimal ground states of minimal energy." This then goes back to the post on the mathematical model of electron spin states producing a favorable outcome. Anti-Ferromagnetic Frustration are a behavior found in minerals having a crystalline stacking structure known as Kagome lattices, or hexagonal lattices. The term Kagome Lattice was coined by Japanese Physicists Kodi Husimi & Ichiro Shoji in 1951.
*See Trihexagonal Tiling.

Magnetoresistance and further Giant Magnetoresistance are products of multilayers of alternating ferromagnetics between layers of non magnetic but conductive (electrical I presume) materials. All these seem to have cross correlations to the topic and which is why I mention them. Now, I think that the quote "Otherworldly" device uses an accretion plane, the center disk, with two counter rotating disks which are intended to act upon the aether such as to produce essentially a kind of powered magnetic field. Alternatively one could see it as a sort of vacuum sucking up surrounding 2D counter space and expelling it at the center point of what would otherwise be the bloch wall whereupon it's then propelled further by the upper and lower plates.

Off hand I would think the center disk would be a dielectric, quartz, aerogel, or other and there are some newer materials for this purpose out there. Tired so can't remember but maybe carbon fiber graphene type. Should have scribbled it down like so much other info but when you're flying blind it's hard to know what's important from what's a distraction.
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the drawings you post are not to far off from what I am thinking,

so I hope I am getting close to a hardware test (i have one pulley left to build).
I am fairly confidant that the field needed is a vertical cone shaped magnetic field that is vertically spun
the hard part seems to be to get the magnetic field to spin while having enough field strength
so I am trying something that looks like what the ARV could be set up to do.
I have a large electromagnet with a physically spinning high magnetic permeable segmented disk in the middle of it on the same axes. I also have a smaller diameter magnetic coil set some distance over the top of the other coil.
this should make a vertical cone shaped magnetic field that is spinning on a vertical axes. Low RPM tests with a week magnetic field did not get me anything. but everything tells me that I need much higher speeds and to be able to turn up the magnetic coils way higher.
the issues should be solved here somewhat soon.
if that does not get me any results, I will try to make the magnetic field with a moving electrostatic field. the issue I have with that method is that I am not positive as to how to set the magnetic polarity and shape it with that method.
One thing I feel is important is to hold some basic ideas about the way things work, such as how magnetism is formed, and so that you can check to to see if the underlying ideas hold up under experiments designed to test if these ideas bear out. In other words, don't lose sight of the fact that the assumption of how you think it actually works might itself be wrong. Now I'm pretty confident that the way I think Universe works is right and the alternative conventional explanations about how it works and how force manifest themselves are wrong, but I want to also be aware that I'm working off the assumption that the way Universe works is not the same way that convention explains it as working, both to see where it might be wrong as well as to see where the conventional explanation is wrong or fabricated.

One of these basic ideas I work from is the idea that underlying magnetism is the aether, and also that this energy is what creates magnetism and power as products of the same energy field, which is the dielectric field of counterspace (*Tesla). "Electricity is Ether in a state of dynamic polarization; magnetism is Ether in a state of dynamic circular polarization upon itself." (*Wheeler)


This implies that if you put energy into the magnetic field you can increase it's power, and by extension maybe guide it as well, pehaps by using applied polarized power or other magnetic arrangements along the same lines. Now interestingly there seems to be some recent hocus pocus going on in education, especially education aimed at young minds, and while in the past it was made clear that magnets are formed by the ordering of the grains of material in certain metals, what convention now says is that magnetism is the result of electrons staying in an aligned patterns. Never mentioning at all any reference to the idea that the particles which make up a magnet might themselves be responsible for the aligned electrons. Love the title to this site; Sciencing!
https://sciencing.com/strengthen-per...t-6501964.html

This site then goes on to state that when a magnet begins to get weak you can use another magnet to help realign the electrons by stroking the weak magnet with a stronger one, and then you can put that repaired magnet in a refrigerator to help keep the electrons from moving out of alignment, supposedly because this cooling doesn't allow them as much room to "move around." A slightly suspect explanation in my opinion. Lol~

So thinking on this then with regard to the aether producing magnetism and electrical energy, it's the material which when aligned forms paths which the aether moves through and the electrons are the spiraling pertubations caused by the matter the aether is passing through.

The underlying assumption of the aether theory is that the 2D energy field is producing a magnetic/electric field in matter, and because of this all matter reacts to this depending on what it is in it's own way. Thus, a human being decomposes over time, which we call aging, since the magnetic fields begin to disturb the matter's original structure, which then produces further errors, and finally we call it a warp. Just as the 2D dielectric field gives matter shape and form, it also destorys the creation by it's own processes of creating magnetism and electrical energies in matter. The idea I'm driving at is that shapes produce outcomes because energy flows through them. Further, when sufficently upset by the production of magnetic and electrical energies inside matter the form changes shape which results in breakdowns.

Going back to the Schauberger drawing we see what looks like two coils inside the central colum, as if the idea here is to collect the aether via the central plate and to then pick up this energy field at the core of the accretion disk in order sort it out, or to guide it into two different coils, which I presume are feeding the upper and lower plates.

What I think is that possibly a polarized DC field applied to the top and bottom, with the bottom being negative and the top being positive, acts to create a kind of primer point for the aether to flow out of and back into exactly as a magnet does, and which in effect is then replicating the magnetic field in this manner, and evidently the Alexy is doing just about the same thing, but of course we still don't know if that is real and works. However you see there's reason to think it does work, and the interesting thing about this is that the central aluminum plate becomes paramagnetic above it's neel temperature, and so that being the case it seems natural that the aether flowing through it would begin sorting itself through the polarized magnets which are evidently also boosted by the applied DC charge, or helping to create the pathway's which then lead to the production of a larger magnetic field. This means that the Alexey, if real and working, would be a repulsion vehicle.

Aluminum is a conductor and because metals are the most polarizable materials in nature their dielectric constant is said to be infinite, and while at the same time the the aluminum plate in Alexey design is also paramagnetic and being acted upon by magnets, and which are themselves spinning with an applied polarized DC field above and below the central aluminum plate. This arrangement suggests that the qualities of aluminum, together with a rotating magnetic arrangement, lends itself to act as a collector of aether: An accretion disk, an out of which, if guided, could emerge a much larger magnetic field.
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