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#661
10-12-2018, 03:01 PM
 Bugfly Member Join Date: Sep 2018 Location: Russia, Moscow Posts: 33
Ok, first I will say next...
If we make a start from frequencies, then obviously we ne ed to keep in mind the gradients. Gradients are the frequency difference. When we move from high frequency to low. Well, imagine that we have such a gradient in space. We are flying meter by meter deep into space, and the frequencies around us are getting lower and lower. The frequency of what is in space, for example, if we move in the air, the frequency of oscillation of air molecules. This difference in frequency will determine the difference in air pressure. And we will get an airflow, which will catch us and carry forward. This is how frequencies can work. Now if we don't have a frequency gradient, what should we do? We have to create it artificially. The famous Grebennikovs platform did exactly this. You probably haven't heard all the variations of how it works. In general, everyone is talking about the superior wings of bugs and the like. When the topic was not dirty yet, everything seemed to be working without bugs. Everything worked on the interference of light. Sounds crazy I know, but the light was the substance that changed the frequency of something else. We still do not know what is this else was. The method was connected with sequential interference. What does this mean? You must have three sources of ultraviolet light. I don't know why there are three of them, but this is the minimum. After one source of light comes the diffraction grating. Light passes through this grating and diffracts. After the first diffraction grating there is a second one with smaller cells. After the second diffraction grating there is a third with smaller cells than in the second and so on. The more diffraction gratings, the more efficient the device. The minimum is three diffraction gratings. Diffracted Light after all this diffraction gratings mirrored with an ordinary mirror and went back in the opposit direction and mirrored again then it reached the first source with an ordinary mirror also. This is a rather superficial description of the device. There naturally were some other secrets that we will never know. Naturally, no one has reproduced this. But the general idea was to make the light condense in one direction and decondense in other direction. In this process, the light was in contact with something, as I said, we do not know what it was. And in this something a gradient created. So the idea of making an artificial gradient on a diffraction gratings is close to that the crystal lattice of stones could do.
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#662
10-12-2018, 08:07 PM
 Gambeir Silver Member Join Date: Aug 2016 Location: Peoples republic of Washington Posts: 585
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 Originally Posted by Bugfly Ok, first I will say next... If we make a start from frequencies, then obviously we ne ed to keep in mind the gradients. Gradients are the frequency difference. When we move from high frequency to low. Well, imagine that we have such a gradient in space. We are flying meter by meter deep into space, and the frequencies around us are getting lower and lower. The frequency of what is in space, for example, if we move in the air, the frequency of oscillation of air molecules. This difference in frequency will determine the difference in air pressure. And we will get an airflow, which will catch us and carry forward. This is how frequencies can work. Now if we don't have a frequency gradient, what should we do? We have to create it artificially. The famous Grebennikovs platform did exactly this. You probably haven't heard all the variations of how it works. In general, everyone is talking about the superior wings of bugs and the like. When the topic was not dirty yet, everything seemed to be working without bugs. Everything worked on the interference of light. Sounds crazy I know, but the light was the substance that changed the frequency of something else. We still do not know what is this else was. The method was connected with sequential interference. What does this mean? You must have three sources of ultraviolet light. I don't know why there are three of them, but this is the minimum. After one source of light comes the diffraction grating. Light passes through this grating and diffracts. After the first diffraction grating there is a second one with smaller cells. After the second diffraction grating there is a third with smaller cells than in the second and so on. The more diffraction gratings, the more efficient the device. The minimum is three diffraction gratings. Diffracted Light after all this diffraction gratings mirrored with an ordinary mirror and went back in the opposite direction and mirrored again then it reached the first source with an ordinary mirror also. This is a rather superficial description of the device. There naturally were some other secrets that we will never know. Naturally, no one has reproduced this. But the general idea was to make the light condense in one direction and decondense in other direction. In this process, the light was in contact with something, as I said, we do not know what it was. And in this something a gradient created. So the idea of making an artificial gradient on a diffraction gratings is close to that the crystal lattice of stones could do.
Fascinating and after some digging it might make more sense than is realized. Consider the Unitel plan for light propulsion on the previous page. That system used two primary color lights, Red & Blue, with one Green light (not a primary color). This isn't logical since Red, blue and yellow are the primary colors and are the base of every other color. Secondary colors result when two primary colors are mixed together; they include orange, green and purple. Base colors are Black and White. All combinations of color arise out of the three primary and two bases. Why then has Unitel's propulsion system used green with red and blue? Green is created from yellow and blue. There is no yellow light in their propulsion system, which again is a prime color like the other two. Now just glancing at that system it makes no sense but there is a sense to this scheme.

Now I've not read the 185 page Unitel proposal but might have to skim over it now. The thing is it's important to see that Unitel's proposal was in-fact understood in1953. The evidence as demonstrated in Hollywood H.G.Wells War of the Worlds where both the Martian Invaders and their "all seeing eye technology" both feature a len's which is almost a precise replication of what Unitel comes up with in the 1980's. That just cannot be accidental. These are almost exact replications, one supposedly created out of someone's fictional ideas about alien life and the other created out of ideas about quantum theory.

The point is, that many times we have partial information distributed through different sources, and which needs to be connected together in order to see a whole picture. So perhaps this story of light needs to be examined more closely in order to understand the connection it is making to the Aether, and I'm sure that is where the connection is being made. With spectrums of color in light you're looking for a way to create a force multiplier.

The Aether is just an energy field we know through pertubation.
https://www.dictionary.com/browse/perturbation

Sound is the closes analogy to use to create a force multiplication through light. To paraphrase, using some clip and paste information, the idea then is to use light in the same way we use sound to create the highest vibration frequency possible. A scheme for that might go something like the following;

A Rainbow has 7 Colors and sound has 7 notes in Music. The same note recurs on the eighth key, only it has a higher or lower Pitch according to which side of the Scale is reckoned. Each complete Scale of Notes is called “Saptaka” or Septave, meaning the Scale of Seven. Actual measurement shows that going from the low to the high, each eighth note has a vibration rate of double the number; thus, each Octave from low to high has double the vibration frequency in the high as in its neighboring low.

Maybe we could benefit from understanding this better and apply it towards the Alexey. All energy including life force arises out of the Aether. Take a look at this topic covered by Aaron Murakami. I am a little familiar with it and it is as illustrative of the power of these forces as it is mind boggling in it's ramifications, but I think it does show there is a correlation to what we are attempting to refine and to describe.
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#663
10-12-2018, 08:30 PM
 spacecase0 Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2014 Posts: 333
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 Originally Posted by Gambeir Fascinating and after some digging it might make more sense than is realized. Consider the Unitel plan for light propulsion on the previous page. That system used two primary color lights, Red & Blue, with one Green light (not a primary color). This isn't logical since Red, blue and yellow are the primary colors and are the base of every other color. Secondary colors result when two primary colors are mixed together; they include orange, green and purple. Base colors are Black and White. All combinations of color arise out of the three primary and two bases. Why then has Unitel's propulsion system used green with red and blue? Green is created from yellow and blue. There is no yellow light in their propulsion system, which again is a prime color like the other two. Now just glancing at that system it makes no sense but there is a sense to this scheme.
seems like you might not know that the idea of a primary color is just human perception (3 colors detected in the eye), and not even all humans at that. I am an example as I see at least 4 primary colors, and a few others do as well even though it is fairly rare.
when looking from a physics point of view, there is a spectrum of colors, and it is way way more than the 7 that most humans have decided to identify. and green is just as valid as red or blue from that point of view
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#664
10-12-2018, 10:12 PM
 Bugfly Member Join Date: Sep 2018 Location: Russia, Moscow Posts: 33
Gambeir, hold on for a second. I just gave the analogy of a gradient, which may possibly exist in a crystal lattice of this stones and somehow affects their properties. So I'm trying to show the way to find the cause of the Archimedes force. Archimedes force makes lighter bodies float in a heavier environment. We still do not know the mechanism of this phenomenon. Obviously, the stones somehow just float in the air. And we need to understand its mechanism. At first it will be weak flying devices. Grebennikovs platform is a very powerful device. In Grebennikovs platform there is a gradient which I described, but it also has an amplifier which we can not understand now. The point is to convert light into sound. This is a pretty crazy thing. Not everyone loves this interpretation of nature. Well, according to this view, there is nothing in nature but light and sound. Matter is secondary to light and sound. So we can somehow organize the sound and light fields and get matter. This is very different from ordinary scientific ideas, where, for example, sound is a vibration of particles, for example air molecules, if sound is transmitted in air of course. But what if we make other particles oscillate, for example, electrons in the Fermi surface of a metal. Will it be sound? Of course it will be a sound, but with a different frequency and penetration abilities. And so on we can find a lot of particles carrying sound of different frequencies. And here suspicion creeps. What is generally comes first particles or sound? I hope I clearly described the situation with the basics. Superficially of course. And that's coming next? Next is transfer the light to sound and of course sound to light. We are just beginning to understand these processes. Rather, we don’t know how to convert light into sound, and this is exactly what happens in the Grebennikovs platform, besides the creating of a gradient. How to convert sound into light, we just started to understand. This is the phenomenon of sonoluminescence: https://youtu.be/O9B3vzsZsr4
The sound affects the flask with water, and than a cavitation bubble apears in the water. The bubble glows. There is so much more in this experiment that we do not understand. For example cavitation bubble. What is it? Check this out: https://youtu.be/cOeNxkksruo
You can try this at home. It is working! Very powerful thing!
And here we are asking for explanations to scientists. What we hear in response? Hyperspace in cavitation bubbles, etc. So they know nothing. And You see it is not the most effective way to convert sound into light...
In short, this level is not yet available to us. Of course there are those who know all this for a long time. But we should start with a relatively simple one. With the force of Archimedes
for example...
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#665
10-13-2018, 11:30 AM
 Bugfly Member Join Date: Sep 2018 Location: Russia, Moscow Posts: 33
Gambeir, I hope you don't get crazy with my sound nature explanation. It can help in the further explanation. If all sounds are connected to each other, as they are the one nature force. Then why we shood use the sound in air, let's use the sound in Fermi surface.
First we mast realize that even the aircrafts does not fly at all. They are floating up. To realize this we shood figering out how the wing works.
Lets see this lecture: https://youtu.be/XWdNEGr53Gw
I hope you watch it to the end. It has many interesting concepts of how things work, while being filmed filmed very badly. The camera never shows what the professor Holger Babinsky draws that can be seen on the screen of the projector, but constantly shows the professor himself. Very strange approach...
So, this is the main idea of this lecture: https://youtu.be/UqBmdZ-BNig
The flow rate above the wing is higher than below it. This is the initial presentation of how the power of Archimedes works. Under normal conditions, the airborne crystal lattice of the wing is falling down, because the wing is heavier than air. But it was worth blowing a blow over the wing and under it at different speeds, and the crystal lattice immediately responded to this gradient. I want to convince you that it's not about pressure. If this were the case, what does this pressure increase rely on? Because there are air with normal pressure around the wing with this high pressure. Why doesn't all this pressure thing fall down in this ambient air with normal pressure? This is precisely due to the fact that pressure is caused by something else. You can call it air pressure, but the nature of this phenomenon is not an increase in air pressure, this is a consequence. Really it is the force of Archimedes, which is not understood until now. And its secret lies precisely in the field of interaction of the crystal lattice with air. Now let's get back to the Alexey Chekurkov’s Flying Discs.
Different air speeds under the wing and above the wing are achieved only when the aircraft accelerates. So uncomfortable. Let's make different speeds under the wing and above the wing without accelerating the plane. And let's not use the air, but the electrons of the Fermi surface. Electrons is a more energetic environment than air molecules. Let's make different electron velocities under and above the center disk of the Alexey Chekurkov’s device! Actually it does just that...
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#666
10-13-2018, 04:17 PM
 Gambeir Silver Member Join Date: Aug 2016 Location: Peoples republic of Washington Posts: 585
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 Originally Posted by spacecase0 seems like you might not know that the idea of a primary color is just human perception (3 colors detected in the eye), and not even all humans at that. I am an example as I see at least 4 primary colors, and a few others do as well even though it is fairly rare. when looking from a physics point of view, there is a spectrum of colors, and it is way way more than the 7 that most humans have decided to identify. and green is just as valid as red or blue from that point of view
Quite right spacecase0. However, under the artistic version of reality those pigments form the basis for all color, three primary colors and two bases; five total. So that's the official version of color reality but you are still quite right in your observations and important to keep in mind as well.

Now I'm not positive what the reasoning is behind this display of color is in the Hollywood 1953 war of the worlds except that it probably relates to the 1980's plan by Unitel and therefore shows that the theoretical idea's which Unitel came up with over 30 years later were already known and being shown off covertly. It's not the same as Unitel's ideas but it is still related.

In the 1953 version of War of the Worlds the movie repeatedly connects a triangular pattern to the alien invaders. This motif of triangular patterns and colors has to do with theoretical spin states, and with the technology which was being developed to create a better machine using molecular beam epitaxy for deposition of single crystals. Officially cited as being developed by Bell Labs in 1960.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molecular-beam_epitaxy

The idea is that by using this technology one can fully exploit the spin states of Antiferromagnetism to it's fullest effect. Observe the following and then place the ability to manipulate the spin state of each crystal as you choose.

From Wikipedia.

"Unlike ferromagnetism, anti-ferromagnetic interactions can lead to multiple optimal states (ground states—states of minimal energy). In one dimension, the anti-ferromagnetic ground state is an alternating series of spins: up, down, up, down, etc. Yet in two dimensions, multiple ground states can occur.

Geometric frustration:
Consider an equilateral triangle with three spins, one on each vertex. If each spin can take on only two values (up or down), there are 2 to the 3rd power = 8 possible states of the system, six of which are ground states. The two situations which are not ground states are when all three spins are up or are all down. In any of the other six states, there will be two favorable interactions and one unfavorable one. This illustrates frustration: the inability of the system to find a single ground state. This type of magnetic behavior has been found in minerals that have a crystal stacking structure such as a Kagome lattice or hexagonal lattice.." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antiferromagnetism

In one revealing sequence in the movie there's an Army Commander giving a briefing where he's drawing triangular patterns on a chalk board and explaining how the Martian's move in triangular sweeps. So he's explaining the technology quite literally, and as far fetched as that seems at a glance, the reality is that it is a real briefing on very advanced theoretical ideas about atomic spin states and probable technology used to create it, and for that to happen by way of artistic license in 1953 would be almost impossible. One would have to be very in tune and very highly connected to have any sort of clue what this was all about in 1953. So that film sequence is prima facie evidence which supports the contention that certain media communicates to the informed and aware.

The army briefing is really showing a kagome lattice; also known as trihexagonal tiling.

"The term kagome lattice was coined by Japanese physicist Kôdi Husimi, and first appeared in a 1951 paper by his assistant Ichirō Shōji.[5] The kagome lattice in this sense consists of the vertices and edges of the trihexagonal tiling. " https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trihex...Kagome_lattice

A non-covalent interaction
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-covalent_interactions

"Crystallinity refers to the degree of structural order in a solid. In a crystal, the atoms or molecules are arranged in a regular, periodic manner."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crystallinity
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#667
10-13-2018, 04:38 PM
 Gambeir Silver Member Join Date: Aug 2016 Location: Peoples republic of Washington Posts: 585
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 Originally Posted by Bugfly Gambeir, I hope you don't get crazy with my sound nature explanation. It can help in the further explanation. If all sounds are connected to each other, as they are the one nature force. Then why we shood use the sound in air, let's use the sound in Fermi surface. First we mast realize that even the aircrafts does not fly at all. They are floating up. To realize this we shood figering out how the wing works. Lets see this lecture: https://youtu.be/XWdNEGr53Gw I hope you watch it to the end. It has many interesting concepts of how things work, while being filmed filmed very badly. The camera never shows what the professor Holger Babinsky draws that can be seen on the screen of the projector, but constantly shows the professor himself. Very strange approach... So, this is the main idea of this lecture: https://youtu.be/UqBmdZ-BNig The flow rate above the wing is higher than below it. This is the initial presentation of how the power of Archimedes works. Under normal conditions, the airborne crystal lattice of the wing is falling down, because the wing is heavier than air. But it was worth blowing a blow over the wing and under it at different speeds, and the crystal lattice immediately responded to this gradient. I want to convince you that it's not about pressure. If this were the case, what does this pressure increase rely on? Because there are air with normal pressure around the wing with this high pressure. Why doesn't all this pressure thing fall down in this ambient air with normal pressure? This is precisely due to the fact that pressure is caused by something else. You can call it air pressure, but the nature of this phenomenon is not an increase in air pressure, this is a consequence. Really it is the force of Archimedes, which is not understood until now. And its secret lies precisely in the field of interaction of the crystal lattice with air. Now let's get back to the Alexey Chekurkov’s Flying Discs. Different air speeds under the wing and above the wing are achieved only when the aircraft accelerates. So uncomfortable. Let's make different speeds under the wing and above the wing without accelerating the plane. And let's not use the air, but the electrons of the Fermi surface. Electrons is a more energetic environment than air molecules. Let's make different electron velocities under and above the center disk of the Alexey Chekurkov’s device! Actually it does just that...

OK, so I have to watch the video but a quick note. First off, you and I are of a similar mind. Yes, believe me I see what you're saying and it's well understood that the things you're saying are things I've said myself at other times.

Now you can see in my post to spacecase0 on atomic spin vector technology that the idea's you're suggesting are factual technology from long ago. The real question is whether this is a correct and total explanation, because even thought this evidently works, and works well it may still not be the whole story or even the right story.

It's like you can prove a crime any number of ways but there is, in the end, only one true and correct explanation. So to find the truth you test the hypothesis by destructive process. That is, you try to punch holes in your own so-called proof. There's a process to discovery and to truth finding that's been refined over hundreds of years.
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#668
10-13-2018, 05:05 PM
 Gambeir Silver Member Join Date: Aug 2016 Location: Peoples republic of Washington Posts: 585
Just understand that what I've managed to cobble together are a pair of wooden clogs; the poor man's shoes of atomic physics. If I had understood what I now understand than obviously I would have started this thread differently or maybe not at all. Nevertheless you should be starting to gather in an concept of those ideas which undoubtedly were topics of discussion of the Rocket Team under operation paper clip.
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#669
10-13-2018, 06:03 PM
 Bugfly Member Join Date: Sep 2018 Location: Russia, Moscow Posts: 33
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 Originally Posted by Gambeir OK, so I have to watch the video but a quick note. First off, you and I are of a similar mind. Yes, believe me I see what you're saying and it's well understood that the things you're saying are things I've said myself at other times. Now you can see in my post to spacecase0 on atomic spin vector technology that the idea's you're suggesting are factual technology from long ago. The real question is whether this is a correct and total explanation, because even thought this evidently works, and works well it may still not be the whole story or even the right story. It's like you can prove a crime any number of ways but there is, in the end, only one true and correct explanation. So to find the truth you test the hypothesis by destructive process. That is, you try to punch holes in your own so-called proof. There's a process to discovery and to truth finding that's been refined over hundreds of years.
Gambeir, If you're about finding the right crystal lattice, and explanations of how it works, to explain how all these stones fly. So Yes, there are a lot of work (validations, experiments, etc.) to do. Unless there is a successful guess will appear somehow. But regarding to the Alexey Chekurkov’s device almost everything is clear. The only tricky thing about it all is kacher. Old tesla patents and writings need to be reviewed. We need one thing that I have not met in information about Tesla. But it certainly should be. Why do we need Kacher? We need it for the injection of electrons into the central disk. Why? We have not enought electrons in the Fermi surface. Yes, we have electrons in the surface of the Fermi, but they are part of the crystal lattice. What is the electron drift velocity, for example, when current is transmitted through a wire? Microns per minute? Such a big speed!!! Additional electrons injected into the disk are not part of the crystal lattice. And they can be freely moved. Moved as surface layer. I hope it is clear now that we need not kacher, we need an Tesla transformer with a rectifier at the end. A rectifier is needed to pass only a stream of electrons to the disk, and in the case of a reverse AC wave no electron should climb back from the disk to the tesla transformer. The more injected electrons on a disk, the better it will all work. In practice, I have never dealt with Tesla transformers and I don’t know if a standard high-voltage diode will work here. But in the times then Tesla buil all his machines (approximately 18xx-1917) there were no diodes. And all the rectifiers of that time, and perhaps today rectifiers to, can't stand hundreds of thousands of volts. I started browsing the site https://archive.org/
haven't found anything yet.
Alexey said in his videos that after a while the device falls.
And needs time to wait to operate it again.
Why is this happening?
This is because Kacher drives electrons back and forth, but takes a little more each time, thus the disk is depleted with free electrons...
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#670
10-14-2018, 12:02 AM
 Gambeir Silver Member Join Date: Aug 2016 Location: Peoples republic of Washington Posts: 585
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 Originally Posted by Bugfly Gambeir, If you're about finding the right crystal lattice, and explanations of how it works, to explain how all these stones fly. So Yes, there are a lot of work (validations, experiments, etc.) to do. Unless there is a successful guess will appear somehow. But regarding to the Alexey Chekurkov’s device almost everything is clear. The only tricky thing about it all is kacher. Old tesla patents and writings need to be reviewed. We need one thing that I have not met in information about Tesla. But it certainly should be. Why do we need Kacher? We need it for the injection of electrons into the central disk. Why? We have not enought electrons in the Fermi surface. Yes, we have electrons in the surface of the Fermi, but they are part of the crystal lattice. What is the electron drift velocity, for example, when current is transmitted through a wire? Microns per minute? Such a big speed!!! Additional electrons injected into the disk are not part of the crystal lattice. And they can be freely moved. Moved as surface layer. I hope it is clear now that we need not kacher, we need an Tesla transformer with a rectifier at the end. A rectifier is needed to pass only a stream of electrons to the disk, and in the case of a reverse AC wave no electron should climb back from the disk to the tesla transformer. The more injected electrons on a disk, the better it will all work. In practice, I have never dealt with Tesla transformers and I don’t know if a standard high-voltage diode will work here. But in the times then Tesla buil all his machines (approximately 18xx-1917) there were no diodes. And all the rectifiers of that time, and perhaps today rectifiers to, can't stand hundreds of thousands of volts. I started browsing the site https://archive.org/ haven't found anything yet. Alexey said in his videos that after a while the device falls. And needs time to wait to operate it again. Why is this happening? This is because Kacher drives electrons back and forth, but takes a little more each time, thus the disk is depleted with free electrons...
Good work Bugsfly, you're asking the same questions I've asked. Ok, so while you might have other ideas this is what I have concluded as of now. That doesn't mean it is right or won't change at some future point. You're right about the Tesla Coil. The Tesla is providing the energy. It is the electron spin being vectored by the cycling DC charged magnetic field in the High Voltage Plate which is vectored.

The next thing is that the center high voltage plate has to be a paramagnetic material capable exhibiting antiferromagnetism. This is really a key part to the whole equation. In other words, the high voltage conductive field/plate does not have to be an aluminum plate, but aluminum is a paramagnetic metal, and which exhibits antiferromagnetism. That's what has to grasped before you can make sense of the device.

Now the issue with this exhibition of antiferromagnetism is cooling. Notice in the ARV illustration for example that there are tanks depicted on the machine. One might suspect that some of these have something to do with cooling and not just crew life support oxygen.

Aluminum, as with most paramagnetics, lose their antiferromagnetism as they pass a their Neel Temperature. So the temperature at which a material is or is not able to exhibit antiferromagnetism is affected by it's temperature and of course by it's composition. That's the reason the machine has to cool down. There's no onboard cooling for the high voltage plate.
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#671
10-14-2018, 03:18 PM
 Bugfly Member Join Date: Sep 2018 Location: Russia, Moscow Posts: 33
Gambeir, You practically repeat the words of Aleksey when he speaks about the excessive magnetization of the plate. I think he is wrong. You say in your terms that this is something like overheating and you need to cool down the plate. But it is the insufficiency of free electrons, not the electrons that is form a crystal lattice. It is the insufficiency of additional electrons to those that already exist in the crystalline lattice. So insufficiency of free electrons as I call it. From my point of view, this has nothing to do with magnetism.
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10-14-2018, 05:57 PM
 Gambeir Silver Member Join Date: Aug 2016 Location: Peoples republic of Washington Posts: 585
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 Originally Posted by Bugfly Gambeir, You practically repeat the words of Aleksey when he speaks about the excessive magnetization of the plate. I think he is wrong. You say in your terms that this is something like overheating and you need to cool down the plate. But it is the insufficiency of free electrons, not the electrons that is form a crystal lattice. It is the insufficiency of additional electrons to those that already exist in the crystalline lattice. So insufficiency of free electrons as I call it. From my point of view, this has nothing to do with magnetism.
The reason I made a connection to antiferromagnetism has to do with the spin states of the electrons. Not with magnetism but I see your point and understand what you're trying to say to me. I myself see there are two serious problems with my hypothesis. So you're right in the sense that it has nothing to do with magnetism but it still may involve spin states.

Convention would seem to say that the input of the energy will heat the plate and that the rise in temperature will correspond to a loss of antiferromagnetism. The assumption here is that antiferromagnetism is the root source for the levitation effect because in antiferromagnetism there is an ordered structure to the spin states.

However the first problem with that explanation is the reason for heating seems to not hold up as there appears to be ample conductive material in the High Voltage Plate, and we have no evidence of heating without our own means of testing the machine, and another problem is the plate would seem to be working well above it's antiferromagnetic Neel Temperature to begin with; which I believe is 14F for aluminum. So let's assume for the moment that this hypothesis I constructed has too many holes which cannot easily be explained away.

I think you have an idea worth following. Just realize the explanation I'm handing out is drawn out of pure convention. Do not think we are in disagreement. I am much more in tune with what you're saying. So continue if you have some existing ideas to explain the loss of electrons, or are you thinking this is like a saturation point where there just cannot be any more electrons put into the material? I of course have some ideas on this myself.
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10-14-2018, 11:05 PM
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 Originally Posted by Gambeir The reason I made a connection to antiferromagnetism has to do with the spin states of the electrons. Not with magnetism but I see your point and understand what you're trying to say to me. I myself see there are two serious problems with my hypothesis. So you're right in the sense that it has nothing to do with magnetism but it still may involve spin states. Convention would seem to say that the input of the energy will heat the plate and that the rise in temperature will correspond to a loss of antiferromagnetism. The assumption here is that antiferromagnetism is the root source for the levitation effect because in antiferromagnetism there is an ordered structure to the spin states. However the first problem with that explanation is the reason for heating seems to not hold up as there appears to be ample conductive material in the High Voltage Plate, and we have no evidence of heating without our own means of testing the machine, and another problem is the plate would seem to be working well above it's antiferromagnetic Neel Temperature to begin with; which I believe is 14F for aluminum. So let's assume for the moment that this hypothesis I constructed has too many holes which cannot easily be explained away. I think you have an idea worth following. Just realize the explanation I'm handing out is drawn out of pure convention. Do not think we are in disagreement. I am much more in tune with what you're saying. So continue if you have some existing ideas to explain the loss of electrons, or are you thinking this is like a saturation point where there just cannot be any more electrons put into the material? I of course have some ideas on this myself.
Hi all, had some free time and did some more modeling and this post is based on the assumption that the poles of the magnets on both plates are facing to same way, see image, flux cutting, induction heating.

If he's having problems with heating of the central high voltage plate this might be a solution, using dielectric barrier discharge as was mentioned somewhere here before i believe.

How to build your Glow Discharge Plasma Panel

It's essentially just a bifilar coil so induction should'nt be an issue but accomplish the same thing??
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10-14-2018, 11:21 PM
 Bugfly Member Join Date: Sep 2018 Location: Russia, Moscow Posts: 33
Gambeir, OK I understood. This has to do with the change in the properties of the crystal lattice at different temeratures. Here I can say the following. Very bad that Alex uses two steel discs. Because steel is a ferromagnet. Aluminum is opposite a paramagnet I would say that it is diamagnetic, because its properties are similar for example to copper but for some reason it is considered that it is a paramagnet (which attracts nothing in paired with a magnet ). I don’t know what may change in the crystal structure of aluminum with temperature. From my point of view, a diamagnetic is ideal. Nothing happens to it at any reasonable temperatures. Of course I can be wrong and do not know something significant. But with a ferromagnet, and that's for sure, such as steel is full of surprises. One of them is the permanent magnet holder. The crystal structure behaves in a completely incomprehensible unknown to us way.
https://youtu.be/832qz3s1M-s
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10-15-2018, 02:40 AM
 Gambeir Silver Member Join Date: Aug 2016 Location: Peoples republic of Washington Posts: 585
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 Originally Posted by phoneboy Hi all, had some free time and did some more modeling and this post is based on the assumption that the poles of the magnets on both plates are facing to same way, see image, flux cutting, induction heating. If he's having problems with heating of the central high voltage plate this might be a solution, using dielectric barrier discharge as was mentioned somewhere here before i believe. How to build your Glow Discharge Plasma Panel It's essentially just a bifilar coil so induction should'nt be an issue but accomplish the same thing??
Thanks phoneboy, we don't know if that's the issue or not. Pure speculation without a machine to run tests on. That's probably never going to happen for me without buying Tesla Coil. Sputins replication looks fantastic and hopefully we will learn a lot more once he get's his operational, but having possible solutions on hand isn't going to hurt anything.
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10-15-2018, 03:20 AM
 Gambeir Silver Member Join Date: Aug 2016 Location: Peoples republic of Washington Posts: 585
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 Originally Posted by Bugfly Gambeir, OK I understood. This has to do with the change in the properties of the crystal lattice at different temeratures. Here I can say the following. Very bad that Alex uses two steel discs. Because steel is a ferromagnet. Aluminum is opposite a paramagnet I would say that it is diamagnetic, because its properties are similar for example to copper but for some reason it is considered that it is a paramagnet (which attracts nothing in paired with a magnet ). I don’t know what may change in the crystal structure of aluminum with temperature. From my point of view, a diamagnetic is ideal. Nothing happens to it at any reasonable temperatures. Of course I can be wrong and do not know something significant. But with a ferromagnet, and that's for sure, such as steel is full of surprises. One of them is the permanent magnet holder. The crystal structure behaves in a completely incomprehensible unknown to us way. https://youtu.be/832qz3s1M-s
Yes, you got it, the key part is understanding how crystals do what they do and to then put one after another in place at a molecular level. That's the ideal and the place where technology was focused once this was understood. The idea used to track the hidden history is to reverse the development process by understanding that the development of technology is not accidental. There is a path, a trail, which is traceable and which says that there is a strong connection to the behavior of crystals and associated phenomena such as antigravity, aging, invisibility, and so on.

Frankly I think we may think too much alike to be honest. So I was thinking a while ago about this issue of the Alexey machine, and here you come back with Ed Leedskalnin's PMH, and so what was I thinking you ask?

I was thinking of a UFO report.
Post #391 page 14 of this thread.
Ufonauts begging for water. 1951 Cape Town, South Africa.
https://www.energeticforum.com/renew...ehicle-14.html

In the story which I reposted on the link, the machine is explained to a helpful visitor as energy perpetually recycling. Ed's PMH in other words.

See here now, what you said before about there being not enough energy in the system might make more sense that it appears at a glance. Start with the idea that you have a magnetic field acting as a wireless carrier for the DC power. Now in my theory of how this thing works, the DC field is being towed by the magnetic field in a circuit which acts with a Coriolis force upon the AC power plate. This idea basically follows the thoughts of James Cox's ideas about what gravity might consist of and how it comes about. In other words atomic spin vector as explained by Jerry Bayles is refined by James Cox's inclusion of the Coriolis force with a magnetic field. That's description posted a while back is almost a precise description of what takes place on Earth.

So in my simple mind those two ideas combined are the most likely explanation for a gravitational field as a form of atomic vectored spin states at a molecular level, and also explains how that action might come about. Well the Alexey Machine seems to be designed to replicate those actions, but now we have this problem of vanishing lifting or gravitational force and so why is that?

See if you've followed any of Ken Wheeler's work, then you know a magnetic field is the result of focused energies from counter space, and which are all around us in the form of a incoherent field: A magnet is like a laser is to light. It focus energies by an organized crystalline pattern of a specific composition. So what then is the magnet doing if for unknown reasons the Alexey seems to stop working? Isn't it logical to think that maybe it's also taking the energy/electrons and recycling them directly back to the Galactic PMH out of which they were born.

I think you might well be right Bugsfly. I think that possibly some energy, be it electrons or something else is being drained off and it's not capable of dealing with this loss by convention, and so it has to sit and have this energy re-vitalize the atomic structure and that energy could indeed be a magnetic field and so you would then experience a break-down in the organization states of the atomic spins.

OK, so now let's think about the so-called UFO visitors and their PMH system. Then look at what the possible explanation for the Alexey Machine might be for not working. Finally think about how you and I might go about a solution once we suspected that the spinning magnets were in-fact draining off the magnetic fields of the atomic states of matter or something like that.
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10-15-2018, 06:38 AM
 Gambeir Silver Member Join Date: Aug 2016 Location: Peoples republic of Washington Posts: 585

Think now dammit ~ Lol~
Now what are we missing here?
We are missing a core is what we are missing.
Specifically we are missing a magnetic core of sorts.

Think about this logically in the context of the position of this thread. That is, some UFO's are of terrestrial origin; made by humans. If that is assumed, then one has to also assume there is already an existing answer to creating a gravitational field. Both the ARV and the Alexy and the roots of the inspiration to the Alexey all say this is accurate and the UFO evidence says this is true as well.

Now bearing in mind the video on the PMH what can we conclude that the ARV might have which the Alexey does not? It is naturally a center column running through the interior of the machine. I suspect now, more than ever, as I have long thought that the center column is likely to be a magnetic wormhole, and that this magnetic wormhole acts to fulfill the cycling of magnetic flux, which would then make sense also of the 1951 Ufonauts claim that the machine was fundamentally simple and that the energy it used cycled in a PMH like fashion. Such a cycling of flux along with a plasma is in line with plasmoid bollides which also fit the observed sky born phenomena routinely associated with some UFO's. Naturally what you have here in that case then is an MHD Generator for on board power, cloaking from view as you look like nothing but so much as a very bright light, some immunity to primitive weapons, and some immunity to radar.

What do you think this thing is doing? It's not obvious I grant that, but could it be a magnetic wormhole? *uses beeswax which is note worthy as well in my opinion.
In other words, can bee's create magnetic wormholes? Could the Schappeller device be a primitive type of magnetic wormhole generator?
Karl Schappeller: Glowing Magnetism Prime Mover
http://free-energy-info.co.uk/Stevens.pdf

Magnetic Wormhole Created in Lab
https://www.scientificamerican.com/a...reated-in-lab/
A Magnetic Wormhole
https://www.nature.com/articles/srep12488
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10-15-2018, 07:31 AM
 Gambeir Silver Member Join Date: Aug 2016 Location: Peoples republic of Washington Posts: 585
Revised slightly for clarity
See, apply some reverse osmosis here to our thinking: We all think that Bee's and other insects are doing stuff that they are hiding. We suspect that they are somehow beating gravity one way or another. There have been many various scheme's proposed but none I know of propose that insects might be creating some kind of magnetic wormhole associated with magnetism, but Joe Parr's work with shape energy has a good deal of notice about the arrival of bee's; almost as if they materialized out of thin air. This is specific to the creation of an unknown energy field/bubble while using his machines.

It makes a lot of sense that all bodies cycle an energy associated with magnetism. We might call that energy magnetic flux just for the sake of simplicity. If a bee for example is creating a magnetic wormhole to cycle a magnetic field through, and then it finds it cannot, then naturally it would die since it could not fly if that were necessary for say creating a micro gravity field. As we grow old we begin to break down and eventually also die. There's a sense of natural logic to the whole thing. Where does this idea about worm holes come from if not from a sense of life being in a sort of cycle?

Insects wings move up and down like that of the spin states of antiferromagnetism found in paramagnetics like aluminum. So what then is that? Isn't that fundamentally the same thing as what we think may be going on in the Alexey machine? Wouldn't those bee's likely have electrostatic charges in their wings, and wouldn't this then put the wings in a cycling magnetic field, and wouldn't the beating of their wings simulate the orbitals spin states of the antiferromagnetism itself by moving upwards and downwards? If this idea of a natural electromagnetic wormhole field conductor is in operation then maybe bee's and other insects really are creating a micro gravity bubble around themselves. Maybe they are doing what Otis Carr did, even though they be tiny creatures, if that speculation is accurate than that is still a macro demonstration of actions happening at an atomic level.

Now another thing is the old saying; need is the mother of invention, and I ask then who in the world would ever even begin to think they needed a magnetic worm hole? Maybe if you did happen to arrive a the same problem the Alexey machine is apparently encountering, but say this was instead Germany 1930, then who would you go find for ideas about that? Nature has always been, and probably always will be, humankind's real instructor. Knowing that you would go find people like Karl Schappeller and Viktor Schauberger. Now along these lines let's not forget about antenna bug expert Phillip Callahan whose patents are evidently classified under national security or at least no where to be found in public.
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10-15-2018, 10:07 PM
 Bugfly Member Join Date: Sep 2018 Location: Russia, Moscow Posts: 33
Gambeir, Once we have switched to UFO reports, now I’ll tell such a controversial thought, just don’t kick me later...
This is an unknown territory. We in Russia are trying to get into it. Tesla understood this best of all, unfortunately everything he stated was written in English, so it should be easier for you to understand this, because it is easier to read. We have contactee messages on this topic, although they are completely in Russian. There the whole device of the universe is told, but very allegorically. In general, this applies to the entire universe, and not just to the PMH. It is assumed that all the laws of the universe begin with three pillars. The first is in the form of a closed loop itself, this is called "0". We know this as the current flowing in the circuit. After all, what a contour is is something closed on itself. We have all these Maxwell laws and other crap to describe these processes. By the way, PMH is the same thing closed to itself. But back to the electrics, it is easier to understand the analogy. It is well known that the current flowing in a circuit is a counter current of something. Many say electrons and holes, but of course we do not know for sure. Here PMH is the same counter-movement of two oncoming flows, which fold it all into one circular flow. Now the usual magnet. This is an analogue of the open loop. Take two charged spheres and start bringing them to each other. Sooner or later a discharge will occur. The discharge will occur in a straight line. This is not a circuit - it is straight. And the properties of such a current are completely different. We in Russia have an institute that has been studying the Tesla single-wire energy transfer, they found out that the wire, about 0.1 mm in diameter, can be easily transmitted at 20 kilowatts each. In a closed loop, this is impossible, i.e. other properties, such current properties are different. This configuration is called "1". And we have the third last configuration, all other configurations according to the messages are combinations of these three. We cannot find the third combination, but it is called "2" and must be in the shape of a letter S like a galaxy.

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 Originally Posted by Gambeir Finally think about how you and I might go about a solution once we suspected that the spinning magnets were in-fact draining off the magnetic fields of the atomic states of matter or something like that.
Oh that's easy. Take Wimshurst machine. You know Wimshurst machine has two electrodes between which a spark jumps when a static charge accumulates to the desired level. It's like a poles - plus and minus.
One pole put to the central disk and the other to the ground. So we get weird grounded UFO. Llike in Star Wars: The Last Jedi:

Of course this is a bad solution, but it will work in some way. Flying trolley bus...
It would be better to modify the Tesla kacher so it is generates static on the sparking electrode. Can put a diode on this electrode.
I don’t know if it works as a static generator which produces only negative potential. It's all need to try. I can not say whether it works or not...
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10-15-2018, 11:06 PM
 Gambeir Silver Member Join Date: Aug 2016 Location: Peoples republic of Washington Posts: 585
Bugsfly have you been lurking here for long? Are you familiar with Ken Wheeler?
https://archive.org/details/magnetism1small/page/n0

2 principles rule the Universe: Force & Motion and Inertia & acceleration.

In this Video, a new video by Wheeler, he speaks specifically about this S shape as a map already accomplished by the late great Walter Russell.

LIGHT & MATTER Reconciled as ONE? Applied Platonic Logic to Unification
Ken actually draws out the S shape in the air at 14:28 while taking about Walter Russell and the unification of light and matter.

The S shape has been mapped by Walter Russell
This is a link to an HD image of that map.
https://i.imgur.com/p0gzipk.jpg
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10-16-2018, 12:57 PM
 Bugfly Member Join Date: Sep 2018 Location: Russia, Moscow Posts: 33
Gambeir, No I am not familiar with Ken Wheeler, I'll see, thanks for the link...
And I don't know about Walter Russell, I mean what he says, You see all that Walter Bowman Russell and John Worrell Keely theories originally created as puzzles. Someone in the universe so mocks us. Here are the same Star Wars, Stargate SG-1, StarTrek... They have no definitive instructions. Only hints. The form "0" is an uroboros for example, it is a mocking hint from the past for previous generations. The analogies around us, they always were, they always will be. I think this is the basis of the universe itself, to always torment with hints. But we still do not know what is the S form is. We can see it in the image of the galaxy, read about it in Walter Russell notes, but we still do not know what it is. Until we repeat it ourselves, like we made a closed circuit with current and understood that this is an option "0". Until that we cant understand it.

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 Originally Posted by Gambeir 2 principles rule the Universe: Force & Motion and Inertia & acceleration. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KooPsEE7E-Q
By the way... This video shows another interesting thing. It shows the fractal mechanism of the universe. You see these three initial "0", "1" and "2" can not only be combined, but they can also be fractalized.
At first what is fractal?
Here Dale Pond explained it very well:
https://youtu.be/pBzLk3jHRic?t=3009
50:09 - 52:09
I do not like the approach of Dale Pond because he sees the fractalization in frequencies. I prefer the fractalization of geometric shapes. It's like in automatics You can measure transient response in the shape of a curve and work with it to determine the properties of the investigated object. But we can also decompose this curve in a row of Fourier harmonics and work with it, with different frequencies and investigated their influence to the object.
I hope you understand what I mean. These are two approaches: geometric and frequency. They both works. But the frequency approach is crap, because it is very complicated. Well, there are some people who can compose music from birth, they think directly in frequency way. Well, I can not think so, and that's my opinion is crap.

Back to the video you brought: https://youtu.be/KooPsEE7E-Q
This is the perfect example of fractalization.
This can be understood as a geometrical fractalizationsense of the form "0" it is closed loop, but in two hierarchical states. When this is just a ring - this is the first step of the fractal. Then the fractal mechanism does what it does and we get the second step and it already looks like a torus, but it's still the same closed loop, it is still option of form "0", but it was fractalized and now we have the second step of the fractalization of form "0" - toroid.
How does it work in life?
Take the loop with the current in the form of a ring. You can take a whole solenoid with many turns. By the way, in the video, this ring (when it is a ring, not toroid) is consist of several turns.
And around it (ring with the current), we get a magnetic field in the form of a toroid. In this case, the current (Electric field) will flow along the ring - this is the first step of the fractal.
And the magnetic field will form a toroid - this is the second step of the fractal. And the electric spark, as well as the toy from the video, tends to turn in the toroid.
On short sparks, this is not very clear. But look here: https://archive.org/details/electric...07gern/page/16
In fact, not everything is clear here, all this is quite difficult and requires serious research. Not in the kitchen or garage with a soldering iron...
In Simplified intention - magnetic field is unrealized fractalization (the potential fractalization, which does not allow to be realized), the toy from the video is just a mechanical analogue.

Exactly the same can be described through frequency fractalization. But then you need to describe the frequencies of each point, how they interact, etc. In the end you have a frequency fractal...
Now try to understand Russell or Keely entire frequency metamorphology. Well Dale Pond Tries...
is,
Any way, back to geometry, so we have interactions of all these three forms and their fractalizationscan and can get some crazy things ilke this: https://youtu.be/EVbdbVhzcM4
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10-16-2018, 09:47 PM
 Gambeir Silver Member Join Date: Aug 2016 Location: Peoples republic of Washington Posts: 585
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 Originally Posted by Bugfly Gambeir, No I am not familiar with Ken Wheeler, I'll see, thanks for the link... And I don't know about Walter Russell, I mean what he says, You see all that Walter Bowman Russell and John Worrell Keely theories originally created as puzzles. Someone in the universe so mocks us. Here are the same Star Wars, Stargate SG-1, StarTrek... They have no definitive instructions. Only hints. The form "0" is an uroboros for example, it is a mocking hint from the past for previous generations. The analogies around us, they always were, they always will be. I think this is the basis of the universe itself, to always torment with hints. But we still do not know what is the S form is. We can see it in the image of the galaxy, read about it in Walter Russell notes, but we still do not know what it is. Until we repeat it ourselves, like we made a closed circuit with current and understood that this is an option "0". Until that we cant understand it.
Well the ruling powers know enough and you're right that they are intentional jabs. Those jabs say we are smarter and have a right to rule. They don't mention that they also have a stacked deck of cards.

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 Originally Posted by Bugfly By the way... This video shows another interesting thing. It shows the fractal mechanism of the universe. You see these three initial "0", "1" and "2" can not only be combined, but they can also be fractalized. At first what is fractal? Here Dale Pond explained it very well: https://youtu.be/pBzLk3jHRic?t=3009 50:09 - 52:09 I do not like the approach of Dale Pond because he sees the fractalization in frequencies. I prefer the fractalization of geometric shapes. It's like in automatics You can measure transient response in the shape of a curve and work with it to determine the properties of the investigated object. But we can also decompose this curve in a row of Fourier harmonics and work with it, with different frequencies and investigated their influence to the object. I hope you understand what I mean. These are two approaches: geometric and frequency. They both works. But the frequency approach is crap, because it is very complicated. Well, there are some people who can compose music from birth, they think directly in frequency way. Well, I can not think so, and that's my opinion is crap.
What we know today is vastly different from what was known only a few years ago. Here is where understanding our new found knowledge of magnetism is critical. A frequency is descriptive of space over time, generated by harmonic exchange with geometrical forms, or by resultants between energetic fields. This means that a frequency is a mutable substance where time and space have meaning. Time and space have no meaning to geometric forms or energies which give rise to frequencies. To study frequencies for clues to what gave rise to them is probably not the best way to investigate where they arose from. So yes, I'm in agreement with you.

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 Originally Posted by Bugfly Back to the video you brought: https://youtu.be/KooPsEE7E-Q This is the perfect example of fractalization. This can be understood as a geometrical fractalizationsense of the form "0" it is closed loop, but in two hierarchical states. When this is just a ring - this is the first step of the fractal. Then the fractal mechanism does what it does and we get the second step and it already looks like a torus, but it's still the same closed loop, it is still option of form "0", but it was fractalized and now we have the second step of the fractalization of form "0" - toroid. How does it work in life? Take the loop with the current in the form of a ring. You can take a whole solenoid with many turns. By the way, in the video, this ring (when it is a ring, not toroid) is consist of several turns. And around it (ring with the current), we get a magnetic field in the form of a toroid. In this case, the current (Electric field) will flow along the ring - this is the first step of the fractal. And the magnetic field will form a toroid - this is the second step of the fractal. And the electric spark, as well as the toy from the video, tends to turn in the toroid. On short sparks, this is not very clear. But look here: https://archive.org/details/electric...07gern/page/16 In fact, not everything is clear here, all this is quite difficult and requires serious research. Not in the kitchen or garage with a soldering iron... In Simplified intention - magnetic field is unrealized fractalization (the potential fractalization, which does not allow to be realized), the toy from the video is just a mechanical analogue. Exactly the same can be described through frequency fractalization. But then you need to describe the frequencies of each point, how they interact, etc. In the end you have a frequency fractal... Now try to understand Russell or Keely entire frequency metamorphology. Well Dale Pond Tries... is, Any way, back to geometry, so we have interactions of all these three forms and their fractalizationscan and can get some crazy things ilke this: https://youtu.be/EVbdbVhzcM4
What starts in the garage with a soldering iron, or balsa sticks and an razor in the case of aviation, invariable leads to serious research but nothing has ever come out of professional labs which didn't first begin in the troubled mind of a lunatic.

Which brings us back to the case of UFO's, the Alexey, and vortex rings. A fascinating video BTW. It's odd to me that they used fluids because it so complicates things in my mind. The Germans used pools of water to simulate high speed aerodynamics in tests involving swept wing technology during WWII. Water is I believe about 18 times denser than air. They lacked high speed wind tunnels so the work round became models dropped in pools.

As a kid we used to use our model planes in the swimming pool as gliders not even knowing the relative relationship. I remember being bamboozled how a jet seemed to fly/swim so much better. Couldn't figure it out back in those dark ages. Course we weighted the noses but as I recall the jet planes always worked so much better. Now of course there's a reason for that. Just imagine if air was as thick as water. I guess birds would never have existed and sharks outside the front door would still be a big problem in remote areas.

What the video shows me is that matter/creation is the product of slowed inertial force; complexity or fractals of it's own self are a response to impedance, which leads then to increased slowing, which leads to more fractals of self expression, until the velocity of the inertial force is exhaused and the energy is re-absorbed back in to counter space out of which it was born.
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#683
10-17-2018, 07:15 PM
 Bugfly Member Join Date: Sep 2018 Location: Russia, Moscow Posts: 33
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 Originally Posted by Gambeir What the video shows me is that matter/creation is the product of slowed inertial force; complexity or fractals of it's own self are a response to impedance, which leads then to increased slowing, which leads to more fractals of self expression, until the velocity of the inertial force is exhaused and the energy is re-absorbed back in to counter space out of which it was born.
Gambeir, Yes exactly, but this is only part of the process, inertia slows down and destroys everything, it is a destructive process, It is mainly based on the form "0". But there are still two forms "1" and "2" which we have not studied at all... We only learned how to die and slow down dying (we studied the properties of form "0"), but not resurrection and reviving... I mean social attempts... Attempts of the whole society...

Gambeir, I want to ask questions about things I did not understand with Tesla's inventions if you do not mind.
Especially since we will probably need to modernize a kacher, so that it generates static.
If anyone helps, I will not mind either.
The first incomprehensible thing concerns Tesla Coil? here is the patent:
Tesla writes that this is a coil for electromagnets.
Flat coil for electromagnets? What does he mean by that? Electromagnets?
But let's see where Tesla has flat coils?
Almost everywhere:
And what kind of flat coil he has everywhere?
All these flat coils - These are secondary windings.

So could it be that this new coil from patent 512340 Is also a secondary?
But if this is so, then this is some kind of strange secondary, because it has three branches instead of two.
Where then we shood connect them?

Second weird thing. Tesla machines for the production of high frequency currents were with flat coils and then suddenly in one of the latest patents we see this: https://patents.google.com/patent/US...n?oq=us1119732

http://teslacoil.ru/wp-content/galle...l/dsc_1511.jpg

And after that, everyone did only this model.
Flat coils officially banned?
I saw the video as flat coils tested for resonance, but never made them as secondary.
Well, maybe not convenient, ok...
But strangely another, look here: https://archive.org/details/electric...8gern/page/398

CONSTRUCTING A 1/4 K.W. HIGH
FREQUENCY OUDIN COIL.

Speaking of the Tesla device almost everywhere mentioned Oudin.
Who is it?
There is only a small wikipedia article
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oudin_coil
But more detailed information could not be found.
If it is mentioned everywhere and it is so popular, then why is there no information?
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#684
10-17-2018, 08:40 PM
 Gambeir Silver Member Join Date: Aug 2016 Location: Peoples republic of Washington Posts: 585
Hopefully others will dive in to respond Bugsfly. What you're asking and why you're asking involve knowledge and experience which is I do not have. I know many here have spent their lives working with electrical equipment and are avid hobbyists in electronics. Almost any other person on this form is vastly more qualified to respond for that reason.

I can only claim to be an independent researcher and part time scribbler attempting to inspire people. I have no deep knowledge or expertise in electronics or electrical theory. People whose love of their life has been electronics, are required to find the answers, and what experience I have proves to me, beyond any doubt, that there are answers being hidden behind a complex facade of misinformation disguised as education.

Now you don't have to post everything here. I hope that I didn't give you that impression. Anything related to the Alexey should be posted where it will be seen and where it matters on that thread. You should post your improvement ideas for the Alexey machine on that thread Bugsfly. "Those people" laughing, well those people there have the technical training, knowledge, experience to follow what you're thinking. Electronics is the love of their lives, and that's why I am here because they have the keys, only they just don't yet know it is all (Smile) and I don't and so I'm trying like hell to wrest it out of their greedy little brains...Laughing....all great folks so I'm only kidding.
An Inquiry into Alexey Chekurkov’s Flying Discs and Replications
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10-18-2018, 12:52 AM
 spacecase0 Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2014 Posts: 333
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 Originally Posted by Bugfly Gambeir, Yes exactly, but this is only part of the process, inertia slows down and destroys everything, it is a destructive process, It is mainly based on the form "0". But there are still two forms "1" and "2" which we have not studied at all... We only learned how to die and slow down dying (we studied the properties of form "0"), but not resurrection and reviving... I mean social attempts... Attempts of the whole society... Gambeir, I want to ask questions about things I did not understand with Tesla's inventions if you do not mind. Especially since we will probably need to modernize a kacher, so that it generates static. If anyone helps, I will not mind either. The first incomprehensible thing concerns Tesla Coil? here is the patent: https://patents.google.com/patent/US...en?oq=us512340 Tesla writes that this is a coil for electromagnets. Flat coil for electromagnets? What does he mean by that? Electromagnets? But let's see where Tesla has flat coils? Almost everywhere: https://patents.google.com/patent/US...en?oq=us593138 https://patents.google.com/patent/US...en?oq=us649621 https://patents.google.com/patent/US...en?oq=us723188 https://patents.google.com/patent/US...en?oq=us787412 And what kind of flat coil he has everywhere? All these flat coils - These are secondary windings. So could it be that this new coil from patent 512340 Is also a secondary? But if this is so, then this is some kind of strange secondary, because it has three branches instead of two. Where then we shood connect them? Second weird thing. Tesla machines for the production of high frequency currents were with flat coils and then suddenly in one of the latest patents we see this: https://patents.google.com/patent/US...n?oq=us1119732 http://teslacoil.ru/wp-content/galle...l/dsc_1511.jpg And after that, everyone did only this model. Flat coils officially banned? I saw the video as flat coils tested for resonance, but never made them as secondary. Well, maybe not convenient, ok... But strangely another, look here: https://archive.org/details/electric...8gern/page/398 CONSTRUCTING A 1/4 K.W. HIGH FREQUENCY OUDIN COIL. Speaking of the Tesla device almost everywhere mentioned Oudin. Who is it? There is only a small wikipedia article https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oudin_coil But more detailed information could not be found. If it is mentioned everywhere and it is so popular, then why is there no information?
the flat coils recover all the energy from a magnetically induced field
a solenoid only collects the energy that passes through a narrow ring.
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10-18-2018, 07:42 AM
 Gambeir Silver Member Join Date: Aug 2016 Location: Peoples republic of Washington Posts: 585
I'm just wondering if we aren't making the Alexey and ARV out to be more than they really are? Both of them have so many similar features actually. If you took the Alexey's disks and slotted them they would look about like the ARV's base plates. I was thinking you could probably just slot the AC alone, but it's probably better to slot the DC plate as well.

If you look at the Alexey it's almost like the most basic drawing of how to generate an electrical current; a magnet moving over a conductor, instead of a conductor moving through a magnetic field, but it's the same thing just reversed. I just wonder if you slotted the HV plate in to pies and ran the thing if it wouldn't perhaps work better.

Am I wrong or don't you have basically two electromagnets working at right angles? One's DC and one is AC. The two fields interact because the magnets in the DC are acting as a kind of differential to put the circuit at 90 degrees to the AC and making the design compact.

I'm beginning to think this is all standard electrical field force dynamics going on. We just have not been seeing it because of the dynamic movements of the spinning DC plate.
Any thoughts on that?
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#687
10-18-2018, 03:42 PM
 Bugfly Member Join Date: Sep 2018 Location: Russia, Moscow Posts: 33
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 Originally Posted by spacecase0 the flat coils recover all the energy from a magnetically induced field a solenoid only collects the energy that passes through a narrow ring.
Hi, spacecase0! Interesting guess. I think it is only half true. Solenoid pulls the field out of the ring very well. But it's not actually a ring, it's a tube.
Of course, if the solenoid consists of more than one ring winding. On the contrary flat coil covers the plane very well. If we continue the reasoning in the same direction then we need to make a volumetric spiral. We either make concentric solenoids one inside the other and thus fill the volume with them, or we make many flat coils one above the other. The problem is that there is no magnetic field between the turns. May be we need alternate right and left turns inside this design. Or maybe Tesla just figured out how to do it for a flat coil. But these three connectors, where to connect them ...
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10-18-2018, 05:41 PM
 spacecase0 Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2014 Posts: 333
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 Originally Posted by Bugfly Hi, spacecase0! Interesting guess. I think it is only half true. Solenoid pulls the field out of the ring very well. But it's not actually a ring, it's a tube. Of course, if the solenoid consists of more than one ring winding. On the contrary flat coil covers the plane very well. If we continue the reasoning in the same direction then we need to make a volumetric spiral. We either make concentric solenoids one inside the other and thus fill the volume with them, or we make many flat coils one above the other. The problem is that there is no magnetic field between the turns. May be we need alternate right and left turns inside this design. Or maybe Tesla just figured out how to do it for a flat coil. But these three connectors, where to connect them ...
a Solenoid is made to interact with a a magnetic field
the thing is that we are not trying to interact with a regular magnetic field
the field that a Tesla coil primary is making is not a regular magnetic field, it is a motional magnetic field (you could also call it a time field). Tesla did build volumetric spirals to catch this energy, and he also built flat spirals. and it looks like either catches this energy well
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10-18-2018, 05:55 PM
 spacecase0 Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2014 Posts: 333
Quote:
 Originally Posted by Gambeir I'm just wondering if we aren't making the Alexey and ARV out to be more than they really are? Both of them have so many similar features actually. If you took the Alexey's disks and slotted them they would look about like the ARV's base plates. I was thinking you could probably just slot the AC alone, but it's probably better to slot the DC plate as well. If you look at the Alexey it's almost like the most basic drawing of how to generate an electrical current; a magnet moving over a conductor, instead of a conductor moving through a magnetic field, but it's the same thing just reversed. I just wonder if you slotted the HV plate in to pies and ran the thing if it wouldn't perhaps work better. Am I wrong or don't you have basically two electromagnets working at right angles? One's DC and one is AC. The two fields interact because the magnets in the DC are acting as a kind of differential to put the circuit at 90 degrees to the AC and making the design compact. I'm beginning to think this is all standard electrical field force dynamics going on. We just have not been seeing it because of the dynamic movements of the spinning DC plate. Any thoughts on that?
I am also convinced that it is standard field force interactions,
the thing we have been missing before is that there are two separate things that we measure as voltage. and that confusion has cost us the understanding of gravity
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10-18-2018, 08:50 PM
 Bugfly Member Join Date: Sep 2018 Location: Russia, Moscow Posts: 33
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 Originally Posted by spacecase0 a Solenoid is made to interact with a a magnetic field the thing is that we are not trying to interact with a regular magnetic field the field that a Tesla coil primary is making is not a regular magnetic field, it is a motional magnetic field (you could also call it a time field). Tesla did build volumetric spirals to catch this energy, and he also built flat spirals. and it looks like either catches this energy well
So You mean that the Tesla coil is designed to trap the magnetic field that generated by Tesla transformers secondary winding?

By Tesla transformer which has primary and secondary windings I mean device like this: https://archive.org/details/electric...8gern/page/398

"CONSTRUCTING A 1/4 K.W. HIGH FREQUENCY OUDIN COIL."

And by Tesla coil I mean this: https://patents.google.com/patent/US...en?oq=us512340
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