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Richard Hall is one of my favorite investigative journalists.
Cover up of discoveries in space & secret space vehicles
https://www.richplanet.net/richp_gen...4&part=1&gen=5

This video runs 1 hour and 14 minutes. Of interest here begins at 58:00 minutes and runs for about 5 minutes.
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Construction continues, slow but steady, the build is more advanced than these photos, updates to follow later.

I've completed a simple flyback driver with x2 IRFP260's along with various flyback transformers, wired to use the driver. It works quite well. I've also made the voltage multiplier used in the circuit. Magnets and discs are ready.

Working on the Tesla coil part. I have a coil to use wound already, but working on the primary coil and transistor circuit. Alexey uses a (PNP) transistor, KT819, so I'm looking for an equivalent transistors to use.

Still await further parts to arrive, but the frame work on the disc is taking shape.
Certain pictures below.
I think Would be a good ideea to bring Alexey here on the forum to help peoplle to replicate his device with his advices.... what is your opinion ?
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I think Would be a good ideea to bring Alexey here on the forum to help peoplle to replicate his device with his advices.... what is your opinion ?
adding people to this forum has been troublesome for others.
I am all for it if it is possible

I might have figured out at least one reason why the center plate is needed.
when working out how to make the correct polarity field, you really want the 2 disks to have separate fields, without a boundary, one disk might mess up the other disk's field.
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adding people to this forum has been troublesome for others.
I am all for it if it is possible

I might have figured out at least one reason why the center plate is needed.
when working out how to make the correct polarity field, you really want the 2 disks to have separate fields, without a boundary, one disk might mess up the other disk's field.
Totally agree with the both of you.

I was thinking along the same lines till just these last few days.
If we follow the idea of woodward, wheeler, and Ufopolitics who tells
me there is no such thing as re~vectoring, and I think he might be right
about that, but so anyways;

It's Fluxing HV between magnetic fields spacecase0. Energy=mass, or something akin to it, and in the Woodward formula what you do is create a high state of fluxing/vibration.
Things are beginning to focus I think.

Think about it; you have energy which has a magnetic field. but which is put into a vibration/fluxing state, and by a rapid cycling field of magnetic energy exterior to it's own. Make any sense?
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I think Would be a good ideea to bring Alexey here on the forum to help peoplle to replicate his device with his advices.... what is your opinion ?
I totally agree.

However, I believe it would be better if we create a dedicated Thread about building/replicating his work...as also having his name on it...

Something like..."Alexey Chekurkov Anti-Gravity Replication".

As I also believe that the Member who should open that Thread be Sputkins, just because he is very much ahead/advanced compared to the rest of us in the replication...

I would help with as many graphics as you all need.

Sorry Gambeir, not trying to steer anybody away...is just to separate Theories about Arv's...from a real replication of an Antigravity device being built.

I believe is a great idea to help us ALL...plus am sure many members here who are fluent in both languages (Russian-English) could assist in translation accuracy.

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I totally agree.

However, I believe it would be better if we create a dedicated Thread about building/replicating his work...as also having his name on it...

Something like..."Alexey Chekurkov Anti-Gravity Replication".

As I also believe that the Member who should open that Thread be Sputkins, just because he is very much ahead/advanced compared to the rest of us in the replication...

I would help with as many graphics as you all need.

Sorry Gambeir, not trying to steer anybody away...is just to separate Theories about Arv's...from a real replication of an Antigravity device being built.

I believe is a great idea to help us ALL...plus am sure many members here who are fluent in both languages (Russian-English) could assist in translation accuracy.

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Look, Alexey has less understanding than we do. A thread devoted to replication is a good idea. Neither you, nor Spacecase0, nor Sputins, nor many others here need assistance. I need assistance, you do not, that's what I came here for to begin with.

I can assemble a convincing answer to a complex puzzle but I'm no electronics guy and neither are many others, but you people are, and so long as you understand what has to take place you can make it happen. This is an open air capacitor right? It's doing something right? What is it doing? Well I think it's fluxing HV energy: A flux capacitor.

What is the woodward effect about? It's all about fluxing. It's about stretching and shrinking at a very high rate of speed; what's going on with this machine and with energy? You can't just dump power in to a quartz capacitor and expect that to do what you want. You have to flux it, vibrate it, get it to mesh with the counter space. I see woodward effect as a meshing or some kind of attachment to the frequency which Universe vibrates at in counterspace and which then causes gravitational effects in matter.

This machine seems to be doing what is necessary for mass cancellation according to Woodward's effect; which is related to Mach's Principle in a round about way. Neither need to be made intensely complex to understand unless you insist on doing so, in which case they can be insanely complex, but that's not necessary to make a simple device operate. Anyways, no offense taken. A building and testing thread devoted to this topic is vastly more important and will outlive this one. This leave this thread open for whatever else comes along.
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Look, Alexey has less understanding than we do. A thread devoted to replication is a good idea. Neither you, nor Spacecase0, nor Sputins, nor many others here need assistance. I need assistance, you do not, that's what I came here for to begin with.

I can assemble a convincing answer to a complex puzzle but I'm no electronics guy and neither are many others, but you people are, and so long as you understand what has to take place you can make it happen. This is an open air capacitor right? It's doing something right? What is it doing? Well I think it's fluxing HV energy: A flux capacitor.

What is the woodward effect about? It's all about fluxing. It's about stretching and shrinking at a very high rate of speed; what's going on with this machine and with energy? You can't just dump power in to a quartz capacitor and expect that to do what you want. You have to flux it, vibrate it, get it to mesh with the counter space. I see woodward effect as a meshing or some kind of attachment to the frequency which Universe vibrates at in counterspace and which then causes gravitational effects in matter.

This machine seems to be doing what is necessary for mass cancellation according to Woodward's effect; which is related to Mach's Principle in a round about way. Neither need to be made intensely complex to understand unless you insist on doing so, in which case they can be insanely complex, but that's not necessary to make a simple device operate. Anyways, no offense taken. A building and testing thread devoted to this topic is vastly more important and will outlive this one. This leave this thread open for whatever else comes along.

Good morn Gambeir et al,

Alexey may not have a full understanding about the whole thing...but neither do we, I mean none.
We may be guessing for years even building a successful model...

But what am sure off, is that Alexey knows very well ALL SPECIFICATIONS related to the build in order to make it successful...and there are MANY LOOSE ENDS for all of Us here.

Like, speed of motors?...frequency driven by the Tesla Coil?...what is the Max V out of both DC HV spinning discs? are both HV DC positive-negative same exact values?...what are the scale ratios between static-rotary discs diameter?

For example...Sputins is building it based on the model 3...with magnets on top disc...we do not know how are those upper magnets set related to pole orientation?...are they repelling N-N?...Or are they in ATTRACTION N-S?

Assumption and a bit of common sense leads to conclude that ALL Magnets have N Vector (B-Field) aiming away from Earth...but that's only an "assumption"...not a fact.

Finally...that was just a suggestion to direct Alexey to its own Thread...with his name on it.

I believe a Building Thread would be a clean place to start, where many others could also follow/replicate based on all specs graphics shown...without theories nor assumptions until it gets off ground on a few replications.


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I might have figured out at least one reason why the center plate is needed.
when working out how to make the correct polarity field, you really want the 2 disks to have separate fields, without a boundary, one disk might mess up the other disk's field.
So the frame is coming along but await to mount motors, magnetic / electric discs, HV brushes, ultrasonic device and other bits. Pictures show a mock-up. I might have to increase the size of the threaded rods to a larger diameter.


I agree the central plate, neutral plate or centre tap plate plays an important roll. Its also the position to apply the RF from the Tesla coil evenly to both halves of the device.

The primary coil for the Tesla Coil is almost complete, just the circuit remains. - I'll use the circuit Spigel used, (BSpg on the forum) using a 2SC5200 transistor. The important thing is that the Tesla coil circuit self adjusts for factors that change the resonant circuit, so it remains resonant at all times, (important if the device moves up).
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Alexey's new uploaded video...



Just about 24 min ago....

At almost end of video (18:00) he shows many different outdoor tests, different altitudes...at different day time...note sunlight.

Positive Plates above/neg below rises...looses weight...opposite increases it...watch scale diagram on right at almost end.

We all need A Russian Translator!!...the more I watch this...the more I believe in his work!!


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Good morn Gambeir et al,

Alexey may not have a full understanding about the whole thing...but neither do we, I mean none.
We may be guessing for years even building a successful model...

But what am sure off, is that Alexey knows very well ALL SPECIFICATIONS related to the build in order to make it successful...and there are MANY LOOSE ENDS for all of Us here.

Like, speed of motors?...frequency driven by the Tesla Coil?...what is the Max V out of both DC HV spinning discs? are both HV DC positive-negative same exact values?...what are the scale ratios between static-rotary discs diameter?

For example...Sputins is building it based on the model 3...with magnets on top disc...we do not know how are those upper magnets set related to pole orientation?...are they repelling N-N?...Or are they in ATTRACTION N-S?

Assumption and a bit of common sense leads to conclude that ALL Magnets have N Vector (B-Field) aiming away from Earth...but that's only an "assumption"...not a fact.

Finally...that was just a suggestion to direct Alexey to its own Thread...with his name on it.

I believe a Building Thread would be a clean place to start, where many others could also follow/replicate based on all specs graphics shown...without theories nor assumptions until it gets off ground on a few replications.


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Ufopolitics, the ARV thread has exceeded my most sanguine hopes.

A thread devoted to the replication of the Alexey device is necessary. A secondary thread specific to the theory of why the Alexey device works or how it could work is also called for; provided it does work and I feel pretty confident that it does work. It would be logical to have it's own place and I can get in to that idea myself. Start one, pin it so it's up on the top of this forum and go forward.

The whole idea behind this thread has never been to kill the idea that Aliens exist, for we can be sure that in the Cosmos other intelligent being exist, rather it has been my sole intention to explode the idea that UFO's we see are aliens. No advanced civilization coming here is going to expose themselves in this manner. They would have cloaking and or teleportation or something which made them invisible to our perception. In the future we might have fewer reports of UFO's precisely because we now have cloaking technology. A vanishing act will validate what I've just said: That the UFO's we see are not aliens as a rule.

Only machines made by mankind would be reduced to having to fly around in plain view, and then have to resort to developing some covert program to convince people these were alien vehicles, and in order to keep the knowledge hidden that they were machines paid for by you and me. No advanced civilization from another Star System would have to resort to that. They all would have developed cloaking because they go hand in hand. I don't think you could actually get very far along with this whole anti~gravity thing and not have stumbled in on it.

We are not seeing a war in space with Aliens as alluded to by Hillary's emails and the night vision films, we are seeing the true gangsters warring over who shall own and rule over the slave population of earth and who then shall be the new Gods to rule over these slaves.

I cannot believe, nor accept, that any civilization capable of transiting the Galaxy would have any trouble at all in defeating any weapon system we have. So that conflict, which seems evident, is not one between worlds. It is the same one that has gone on since organized crime pretended to be legitimate government.

If we do not succeed, if we do not pull ourselves up out of this Social media bull**** that's replaced TV for another generation, then those kids and their kids will be at the mercy of those people and they have no mercy to offer.

This device/machine of Alexey's is our first and best hope right now for a way to chip away at that un~governed criminal power which has stolen money and lives to create this breakaway civilization, because make no mistake, we are going to have to confront that power and we are going to have to understand it's machines a hell of a lot better than we do right now. You all may not realize this yourselves, not right now, but what you are involved in doing is far more important than anything else going on in the world today.
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Just about 24 min ago....

At almost end of video (18:00) he shows many different outdoor tests, different altitudes...at different day time...note sunlight.

Positive Plates above/neg below rises...looses weight...opposite increases it...watch scale diagram on right at almost end.

We all need A Russian Translator!!...the more I watch this...the more I believe in his work!!

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OK, so maybe he does know a lot more than we do~
A very interesting video.

I just finished watching this video with the horrible google translations.
I just do not see any deception here at all. This is a real machine I'm quite sure.


You guys should use google translate and leave a message on his videos directing him to the new Alexey Thread which you need to create. Maybe if you leave an email for him he might then contact you and then the rest could be arranged.

I got to say this is so typical. Shows everything that's wrong with our world really. For example while he's got a working antigravity machine up and running, and while we here could use a Russian translator and some assistance from someone; meanwhile idiots with billions build rockets and airplanes. You tell me, are the rich this stupid or do you think that possibly it is intentional that these rich people are impeding humanity with bogus nonsense like giant fat airplane paid for by dumb dense clot or the man who stole Tesla's name with battery powered cars, an insult if there ever was one, and so don't ya think that these people need to have their resources dispersed?

Howard Hughes eat your heart out; biggest airplane in the world to fly Satellites in to space.
https://www.wired.com/2017/06/paul-a...ellites-space/

The gunpowder plot of 2019
https://www.space.com/40581-spacex-r...elon-musk.html
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This sighting, seen by another person besides myself, caused me to ask why the these circular illuminated spots. Thanks to the on~going attempt to replicate the Alexey device I now think I have a possible explanation.

Dielectric Barrier Discharge & Cold Atmospheric Plasma.
It has been known that Cold Atmospheric Plasma's can be made from Helium, Argon, Nitrogen, Heliox, and air. Siemens was the first to conduct experiments on Dielectric Barrier Discharge in 1857. More recently Darpa has verified the ability to sustain an open air plasmoid. There are two types of plasma's. Cold Atmospheric Plasma (CAP) is said to be non-thermal because it's electrons are at a hotter temperature than heavy particles which are at room temperature. Cold Atmospheric Plasma's are created through a dielectric barrier discharge (DBD), and which consists of two flat metal electrodes covered with a dielectric material. A carrier gas, such as air, moves between the two electrodes and is ionized by High Voltage to create plasma.

One electrode is a high voltage electrode and the other is a grounded electrode. Alternating Current (AC) of high voltage powers the dielectric barrier with high frequencies. Electrodes can be cylindrical or flat and the dielectric material may cover one electrode or both.

Atmospheric Pressure Plasma Jet (APPJ).
An Atmospheric Pressure Plasma Jet is a radio frequency plasma. The APPJ consists of two coaxial electrodes between which a feed gas ( can be mixtures of helium, oxygen, and other gases) flows at a high rate. The outer electrode is grounded while a Radio Frequency (RF) power is applied to the central electrode that creates a discharge.
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Plasma discharge actuators are in fact the product of a dielectric discharge, where in other fields, specifically dentistry, material restoration and cleaning, and material etching and deposition have not overlooked creative potentials that aviation technology has. Whether accident or direction there is a significant and noticeable difference as to how dielectric discharge effect has been used. In Aviation it has been simplified to simply become known as a plasma discharge actuator.

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Toss this in for the technically inclined.
https://hal.archives-ouvertes.fr/jpa-00255561/document

Another long time use of dielectric discharge has been the creation of Ozone for purification of water and decontamination of materials.
NIKOLA TESLA - APPARATUS FOR PRODUCING OZONE - US PATENT No. 568,177

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Highly informative 205 page Thesis; "The electrical dynamics of dielectric barrier discharges"
https://pure.tue.nl/ws/files/2298957...28_Peeters.pdf

This glow seen in the bottom of the observed craft is generated by a dielectric discharge jet: Probably of a circular design. I think that a manipulation of the conductively transferred charges during discharge can results in an asymmetric capacitor type thrust. So there are at least 2 possible propulsive features involved with the dielectric discharge as well as a potential for creating an atmospheric plasma ball that would offer improved cloaking from radar detection and other possible effects. That plasmoid ball would be created by a RF projection and it is noteworthy to include that the outer ring forming the deck of the ARV was thought by Mark McCandlish to be a kind of antenna.
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something you may not know,
an easy way to make this effect you post about
saw it in an ozone generator I bought once
it used about 4KVAC on a wire to break down the air,
and used a lower voltage DC power to pour the ions into the air.
runs on 12VDC, and works very well for such a tiny item
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something you may not know,
an easy way to make this effect you post about
saw it in an ozone generator I bought once
it used about 4KVAC on a wire to break down the air,
and used a lower voltage DC power to pour the ions into the air.
runs on 12VDC, and works very well for such a tiny item
Yes, but don't think that this is about ozone production, which is where the story began in 1857 and which is where dielectric barrier discharge is widely recognized. It has all the links going on and it's been studied for well over a century for industry.

The first connection is to atmospheric plasma actuators and propulsion. These have not been exploited or investigated as possible replacements motors for commercial jet engines, but it is now apparent that is not the case in secret projects. These are scalable systems, and as shown by the use of pressurized plasma jets in industrial applications, such an atmospheric pressurized jet could be created to almost any size which is not possible with a gas turbines. Add to this a potential to create an asymmetrical capacitor driver and you've got the basics for revolutionary VTOL Craft.

Posted previously but this is JNL Labs link to a simple atmospheric plasma propulsion system.
How to build your Glow Discharge Plasma Panel

Take some time to scan over the this material.
https://pure.tue.nl/ws/files/2298957...28_Peeters.pdf


"In this thesis, the focus is on atmospheric pressure plasma generated
using Dielectric Barrier Discharges (DBDs). In a DBD, a high voltage
on the order of several kilovolts is applied across two electrodes,
where one or both electrodes are covered with an insulating material,
referred to as the dielectric barrier."

The study used a commerical atmospheric plasma pressure jet of very fine dimension. However, as noted elsewhere, this system is capable of scaling

"In order to determine the relevance of Ub to the plasma chemistry, we
aim to compare the electrical characteristics of the discharge to the
density of plasma radicals produced. For this purpose, a commercially
available Atmospheric Pressure Plasma Jet (APPJ) system is used."

(page 23 Introduction)
"2.1. Introduction
Dielectric barrier discharges (DBDs) are used on a large industrial
scale and have been studied for more than a century [51,52]. More
recently, interest has expanded to include plasma jets based on DBDs
[53–57]. Irrespective of the design of a DBD system, Q-V diagrams
can be used to deduce the physical properties of the discharges,
namely the conductively transferred charge during the discharge,
ΔQdis, per half-cycle and the voltage across the gas gap during the
discharge, Ub, referred to as the burning voltage. The product of ΔQdis
and Ub equals the energy dissipated in the discharge per half-cycle.
The burning voltage Ub is essentially the DC voltage across
microdischarges in a DBD and is therefore directly related to the
reduced electric field, which in turn determines the electron energy
distribution function (EEDF) [58,59]. The transferred charge is e.g. a
measure of the number of filaments formed per half-cycle, which,
together with Ub, determines the chemical reactivity, excitation,
dissociation and ionization rates within the discharge volume [60–62].
These two properties are therefore sufficient to compare DBDs
between different reactor geometries for a given gas composition and
pressure."
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OK, sorry I had to dash off and didn't have time to really reply the way I wanted. Spacecase0 you recall the forecast for people living in the sky with very few possessions?
Well so now I believe I have an explanation for that future forecast and which comes out of an understanding over what I observed.


To begin with I'm looking for a technology which leads to an explanation for the Alexey device. I'm pretty sure the machine is associated with a dielectric barrier discharge but which leads me right now to the; "Transatmospheric Electrogravitic Low Observability Surveillance Platform."
http://thehollowearthinsider.com/blo...logspotcom.png
Now the thing we saw looked like half a wing of the TR6
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The name is misplaced because it's not an electrogravitic vehicle specifically. It's an atmospheric plasma jet discharge propulsion system which evidently is a modular system capable of being assembled in to various patterns.

Because an atmospheric plasma jet discharge is a scalable system it really gains the most from being made in a very large configuration, and constructed with a very light framework, and because the atmosphere is always carrying a HV charge at almost any significant altitude this sort of configuration is capable of self sustained flight of unlimited duration or something close to that.

In effect, a sort of flying carpet but on the scale of a large building. Now I reported what we saw was on the order of 100 feet across, but only because we are clueless to how high up it was, but because this area is under an ATC (air traffic control) there are restrictions on the max altitude uncontrolled aviation can fly without entering controlled airspace, and generally this is 1,100 feet which is around pattern altitude. I'd have to look at an air sectional chart to know specifically for my location and I have one somewhere's about, but it isn't critical, it is controlled airspace over the house. Not that this would be an issue for this vehicle and it's occupants I'm quite sure.

An air vehicle flying around 500 feet as observed by us would have made the machine we saw much larger as an entire airliner wouldn't have filled the space, in which case the machine we saw would have been on the order of hundreds of feet in length. Probably in excess of 600 feet or more. I just don't want to sound like I'm inflating or making more of it than it was.

The low observerability part is spot on though. Not sure if it is image projection on the surface of the machine or projected in front of the vehicle by some means but at the time it sort of appeared like a suddenly shimmering mirage out of almost no where.

OK, well so now we can conclude that the infamous "they" are watching us, as in all of us evidently, and so there's these things up there we can't detect with the naked eye which are evidently doing something as part of the Petagrams: I can't account for 21 Trillion Dollars, toss your hands in the air and smile, Mr. (poison our food with nerve gas sweetener) Donald Rumsfeld.

An amusing post on this vehicle can be read at secret projects
https://www.secretprojects.co.uk/for...?topic=23323.0

Such "stuff" is not new, it appeared a couple of years ago in several UFO-oriented or conspirations website, in order to explain the lights that some people saw over Phoenix in 1997.
Obviously, it is emh... unlikely that some vehicle like the one depicted could be real at all.


Quite the reverse actually and it is indeed real, and not entirely out of this world either, but rather the result of creative thinking and applied technology. This machine is actually a kind of de~evolved off shoot born out of the same technology used to create the ARV.


Now let's just say for the sake of argument that you were a wanted man, possibly a woman too, and let's just say you're like wanted for stealing trillions of dollars, participating in creating a war/wars where millions needlessly died, including thousands of your own countrymen, and then you looted the national treasuries of those oppressed nations gold deposits, and then figured out a way to profit from food poisoning on a massive scale against people in your own nation and across the globe, and then maybe did a few other lesser things while eating pizza and playing ping pong.

So where then would you flee if say there were to be a global manhunt for you? How about a flying carpet that's say about the size of a large apartment complex, or even the size of a say the Chrysler Building: That would be acceptable and from time to time you could hook up with other sky crooks and or sky born It's to exchange gifts or some things. No need to worry about fuel or anyone spotting you either, besides any who do are obviously wack'0s right? This hypothetical is of course not necessary since instead a real city is likely to exist on other worlds where any possibility of detection is impossible by presently accepted means and instead this sort of so~called Surveillance Platform is being employed as part of other criminally inspired plots whilst working under the guise of national security: God only knows what those might be but I seriously doubt they have good intentions despite what the operators of these machines may believe.
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I had been just trying to post an easy way to generate the effect you were talking about. Was not interested in the ozone either, but most designs are much more complex and expensive to build. Was just showing the design where it is possible to put lots of power into it, and do so easily, as well as low priced to build.

reading what you have posted now, I do have a few comments.
you mentioned that when the jet plane was being developed it, it had already been outdated by things like the ARV.
I just don't think this is the case. Magnetic fields do odd things to people. here is an example.
https://www.jameco.com/Jameco/worksh...ch-intern.html
so if you were trying to live in the sky, you likely would not want anything with magnetic fields as large as the ARV.
I doubt that some people could deal with it at all, and many more likely would not want to deal with it.
you would want some other technology.
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I had been just trying to post an easy way to generate the effect you were talking about. Was not interested in the ozone either, but most designs are much more complex and expensive to build. Was just showing the design where it is possible to put lots of power into it, and do so easily, as well as low priced to build.

reading what you have posted now, I do have a few comments.
you mentioned that when the jet plane was being developed it, it had already been outdated by things like the ARV.
I just don't think this is the case. Magnetic fields do odd things to people. here is an example.
https://www.jameco.com/Jameco/worksh...ch-intern.html
so if you were trying to live in the sky, you likely would not want anything with magnetic fields as large as the ARV.
I doubt that some people could deal with it at all, and many more likely would not want to deal with it.
you would want some other technology.
Sorry spacecase0, I was afraid you might have missed the connection to the Chernikov machine and didn't want you to go astray looking for something else because I know how that goes.

Well the TR-6 observation thingy might not be using a magnetic field like Alexey Chernikov's machine. It might just be using an atmospheric plasma jet of very large proportions. So it's like half of the Chernikov device, it's probable that it is just using a dielectric discharge to create a one atmosphere plasma discharge jet: The powers that be might have deemed it too dangerous to link a magnetic field to a lowly military vehicle, and of course you're right about a magnetic field doing things to the mind. So I sort of doubt it is using a magnetic field like Chernikov's device does.

What I was thinking is how easy it is to take the concept of atmospheric plasma jet and to just scale it up to say a 100 feet in diameter and to use light weight materials, carbon fiber and balsa sheathed core materials and to create a frame work for a the plasma motor to sit in. Someone would have to crunch some numbers but I was thinking more kite like with atmospheric powered plasma motor and capacitor storage system which gathered energy from the atmosphere. It would probably have some kind of fabric like skin and have walkways to move about with an area for standing and sitting.

Something along those lines might enable a person to stay airborne basically forever as near as I can tell. It just sits there gathering in atmospheric ions and then converting that energy to an atmospheric plasma jet. It's a little like a Zeppelin in that it would have a frame and to be able to levitate on the atmospheric plasma motors alone, and of course it would also have to be really big, which is the same for a Zeppelin where 600 or 800 feet in length is typical. There's some point where weight vers power crosses over to flight. I'm speculating about how it works of course. For all I know it's the size of the Chrysler Building with all kinds of shielding and or isolated areas to protect whoever is on board but I don't think so. I think anything like that wouldn't venture around these parts and so it's probably a lot more down to earth than even the Chernikov device is. One thing though is that it is silent and so are atmospheric plasma jets and it does have these faintly glowing spherical shapes beneath it so the boot fits, and as the saying goes; if the boot fits you must wear it.
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I had been just trying to post an easy way to generate the effect you were talking about. Was not interested in the ozone either, but most designs are much more complex and expensive to build. Was just showing the design where it is possible to put lots of power into it, and do so easily, as well as low priced to build.
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reading what you have posted now, I do have a few comments.
you mentioned that when the jet plane was being developed it, it had already been outdated by things like the ARV.
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I understand but the story seems to be dating even further back than I myself had even thought possible. With the Chernikov machine coming to light it implies there is a possible connection to the story about the kid who invented an electric rocket which he sold to Standard Oil for a million dollars. Then we have the photo of a flying saucer in Berlin Germany in 1935, and even earlier, so it appears someone had such a vehicle.

One of these links should work.
Gravity Capacitor
https://studylib.net/doc/18328755/-e...ity-warp-drive
http://www.stealthskater.com/Documen...citorArray.pdf
https://www.scribd.com/document/3551...Warp-Drive-pdf



Assuming that the photo's of saucers in Germany and elsewhere are not plants, and are real, then that technology was in the hands of some entity, and assuming that power was Nazi Germany and that it was using a some variation of an electric rocket, and probably associated form of propulsion like Chernikov's, then all the rest of aviation history, including helicopters, seems to have been a pointless exercise. It would be a lot of assumptions except for the fact that we have these photo's and all the other associated information. It all says this technology was in operation by at least 1935 and possibly even before that. I know it seems almost too much to believe but maybe not. The evidence seems to be there to say it did, and not only that it did exist and was operational somewhere, but that the technology to make it happen isn't even as advanced as what's required to make the very complex piston engines and superchargers required of military aircraft of the same time. It's astonishing but I think that's what we are really seeing come out of the wood work.

Frank Whittle's and Dr. Hans von Ohain's jet motors date from a patent for Ohain in 1934 and for Whittle a successful bench test in 1937.

Nevertheless, neither of these or precursor themojet motors were capable of overcoming the aerodynamic limitations and other unknowns which later cropped up in high speed aerodynamics. The saucer shape and propulsion system suffered none of these design limitations. The sound barrier officially broken in 1947 was just the beginning of a series of evolving problematic issues caused by compressed air.
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Again, this was my mistaken idea about what you were thinking.
clearly you need to work on your telepathy skills

and I need to work on my skills of seeing the future
should have seen the lack of content getting across and clarified things before it was an issue.

but until we have all mastered that sort of thing,
think about algorithms and what gets you noticed

I think the electric rocket guy got the details wrong
go read this for what I am talking about
www.rexresearch.com/hooper/similarities.pdf
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clearly you need to work on your telepathy skills

and I need to work on my skills of seeing the future
should have seen the lack of content getting across and clarified things before it was an issue.

but until we have all mastered that sort of thing,
think about algorithms and what gets you noticed

I think the electric rocket guy got the details wrong
go read this for what I am talking about
www.rexresearch.com/hooper/similarities.pdf
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I just posted a link to his entire book on the Alexey thread. Laughing...oh I think we think too much alike right now.
Also here in the last part of this post are words from Kennedy which bear a suspicious similarity to the ARV drawing.
Kennedy is the author of those electric rocket drawings where he tried to reverse engineer the idea from the original
story about the kid whom supposedly built one and sold the rights to Standard Oil in the 1930's.

Here's the post repeated.
OK, well not had time to read this because it is a book, but just go to the link and skip to page 11 and scan the intro, then go to 91 and then see illustration on page 94.
http://www.rexresearch.com/hooper/NewHorizons.pdf

This is just about generating an electrical current by spinning the magnets.

Apparatus for Generating
Motional Electric Field
by William J. Hooper
US Patent # 3,656,013

This is the only info I can find which relates back to the electric rocket material. Note what he says here;
" it occurred to me that the capacitor plates should be staggered and wedge shaped to make polarized gravity flow through a central, hollow core. Staggering the plates was the single most important idea I had.
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clearly you need to work on your telepathy skills

and I need to work on my skills of seeing the future
should have seen the lack of content getting across and clarified things before it was an issue.

but until we have all mastered that sort of thing,
think about algorithms and what gets you noticed

I think the electric rocket guy got the details wrong
go read this for what I am talking about
www.rexresearch.com/hooper/similarities.pdf


OK, read it once, and now I have to take a nap because reading it is exhausting, I'd imagine the book version is dangerous and shouldn't be read by anyone who is depressed. This version or synopsis is better for an over view. I see what you're saying. I'll have to re~read it ten times of course, but by then hopefully someone will have formulated how this is operating in the Alexey Chernikov machine, though it's obvious that there are correlations. Now, If you go for the other option of the whole book, then first put the razor blades away and hide them if possible, and have a sleeping bag near by just in case you can't make it back to where the razors are hidden after the first chapter.

Christ sakes, shouldn't there be like professional writers helping out to try to make these science papers less dangerous for the thinking and imaginative? Where do they teach this kind of depression writing skill, is it something the military has added to college courses, a requirement perhaps, or is this something accidentally picked up through the Nazi Scientists, maybe as a part of science indoctrination course on peer reviews or something, or is it like a requirement in science courses these days to help out the mental health field with needless clients and to boost class attendance because afterwards everyone is insane?
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To paraphrase Fenyman;

All matter is a mixture of positive protons and negative electrons which are attracting and repelling with this great force. If two humans each had one percent more electrons than protons their repelling force against each other would be would be enough to lift a “weight” equal to that of the entire earth

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" You may ask: “If this electrical force is so terrific, why don’t the protons and electrons just get on top of each other? If they want to be in an intimate mixture, why isn’t it still more intimate?” The answer has to do with the quantum effects. If we try to confine our electrons in a region that is very close to the protons, then according to the uncertainty principle they must have some mean square momentum which is larger the more we try to confine them. It is this motion, required by the laws of quantum mechanics, that keeps the electrical attraction from bringing the charges any closer together"
The Feynman Lectures on Physics Vol. II Ch. 1: Electromagnetism

Now I'm not sure there's a point to this but the idea here is that there are these idea's about the way things work and then they have applied laws to them, and a law excludes creativity in action: The purpose is designed to make one program work with another program. In other words, it is an explanation but the real question is if it's really the right explanation. The whole intent in providing/planting evidence is to blind the investigator to truth, and the way to do that is by providing evidence/alibi's which create a law which precludes the possibility that X was involved in Y.

Just because a plausible explanation can be created does not mean it's the right explanation. This is especially of concern wherein the evidence or proofs are being supplied by the suspects.
I'm inclined to agree with Hooper over Fenyman and conclude that explanations arising from undiscovered but detectable energy is a more logical explanation than attempting to work with uncertainty as a principle. I do however see that, if in quantum physics a greater area/space is necessary for square momentum in order to obtain more energy, then perhaps that space is being obtained through a connection to counterspace. That's pure speculation but for quantum physics to be valid it has to have a rational explanation for exhibited behavior of physical objects. I can't help but note that it would be typical of Universe to plot a mass joke just like this, and to link Stienmetz's counterspace with quantum physics, and just to plant a dunce cap on our heads because this is what Universe really get's a kick doing: Going around planting dunce caps on our heads, keeping us humble because our nature isn't to be humble, so we need humbling a lot I guess and in this case there would dunce caps all round, enough for everyone to have at least one.

In the Alexey Chernikov machine the use of high frequency generator/s, magnets, and electrical power (AC and DC) all work in superposition to result in an apparent creation of gravitational force. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superposition_principle

PS: I think this is a really great paper actually but could use a little more flavor to add some color to it.
I think it's really worth investing time in and to go over repeatedly despite the evident dangers.
http://www.rexresearch.com/hooper/similarities.pdf
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In regard to the Alexey Chernikov machine and the paper by Hooper. There's some similarities in the attached material which might be given some consideration as to what this unknown energy field is with regards to Hoopers paper: I can only come up with electromagnetic inertia which I think basically describes mass.


One of the first things that strikes me is how the Cook Inertial Propulsion Engine operates by splitting mass in a rotating plane to achieve an inertial propulsion drive. This mechanical system may be giving clues to how the Chernikov machine is working. This device was tested by Boeing.
https://web.archive.org/web/20160331.../principle.htm
Force Borne Web
Robert Cook: Inertial Propulsion Engine ~ US Patent # 4238968 ~ USP # 3683707

The second thing which appears to have another correlation is on the behavior of the magnetic fields as demonstrated in this video by Jeffery Cook.
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Alexey Device

https://www.warp-drive-physics.com/construction-blog

AC homopolar generator, which was invented (on Earth) by Peter Lindemann and Michael Knox in 1987.
Lindemann/Knox AC Homopolar Generator

A must read
Appendix 4. Spin, electricity and magnetism: the extra-terrestrials are teaching us about homopolar motors, and how they may be used to generate DC or AC electricity in a clean and efficient fashionÂ* By Dr. Horace R. Drew
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Tsiriggakis Antigravity Mechanism


FIGURE-EIGHT-SHAPED CLOSED
CURVES IN THE THREE-DIMENSIONAL SPACE


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http://www.cropcircleconnector.com/images/8-28.jpg

"If any magnetic dipole contains two small loops of current (rather than one), then each end of a magnetic field may contain “intrinsic torque”. Hence any charged particle which moves parallel to that end-plane of torque (or perpendicular to the N-S poles) would naturally experience a curvature of its path. When electric charge is reversed from plus to minus, the particle curves in an opposite direction, just as if local time were reversed. "

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These mechanical inventions give us a visual way to see a physical operation of behavior. Splitting and recombining mass in the Cook Inertial Drive may be important since that whole concept and it's subsequent effect are far outside convention in thought and operation: What if we have something akin to this going on in the Alexy Device? Realistically I would think that applying the principles of the Cook Inertial Drive to an electromagnetic field of operation with gating would produce a usable device. The only way this thing is going to fly is to use electromagnetic energy and switching. It should just be a technical issue if our science has any value at all.

" it is theorized that as the device increases its rotational speed, its efficiency will increase at a tremendous rate."
CIP Principle

"evenly divided masses move at the same angular velocity, they create forces in equilibrium for only 180° of the complete cycle. The split mass is then made complete and becomes one mass which creates an unbalanced centrifugal force for 180°."
CIP Principle


A magnetic field has similarities to the Tsiriggakis device, and seems to demonstrate a behavior that can be utilized to hold a picture of the forces we cannot see. It looks like it's demonstrating half a magnetic field. The Tsiriggakis device is also tracing out a mobius strip.

In the Otis OTC the gyroscopic precession rotates the Untron every half cycle. In the Alexey device HV AC interacts with a polarized pair of DC plates. Shouldn't we expect a correlation which is similar in the Alexey device?

Maybe these mechanical machines have things to help us understand what we are dealing with and to imagine others. The physics that apply to these spinning gyrating machines has to be similar to the physics which act upon other matter.

"The most basic premise of “magnetism”, as shown in crop circles, is that it derives somehow from an intersection of our 3-D space with subatomic spin motions in extra dimensions. Here in three crop pictures from 1995 (see www.cropcirclecenter.com), we can see a schematic diagram for the “Lorentz force” of electromagnetism. That motif was accompanied in two cases by “three small balls”, which could plausibly represent the three components Sx, Sy and Sz of electron spin: "
http://www.cropcircleconnector.com/a...mages/A4-2.jpg
http://www.cropcircleconnector.com/a...inge2013c.html
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Not entirely sure our telepathic connection is without static but I take the point that I needed to restate that business about not knowing what a magnet is.

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