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When something like this comes along, all current projects get put to the side for a while… I doubt I’ll be first to reproduce it, but if I can get it to work even at all… It will be a great day.

So I’ve decided to model mine now after Alexey’s version-3 which has two rotating discs, both with magnets…

I’ve completed building the two discs. The thin Al metal with the hammered bug-wing finish is very soft even with the best efforts to keep it flat, there is some slight wobble still, but I’m pretty happy with how the first two came out. (If it turns out that the bug finish isn’t needed, then something more robust would be better). I also need to lathe up the insulating bushes that fit the motors and attach to the spinning discs. I’m also looking at the supporting discs to mount the motors and such, with motors and other parts on order, being sent.

Turning the attention to the circuit drivers, the HV DC will be the next thing. I already have several flyback transformers, various kinds and voltages output but will probably make another driver for them. Also the on-board voltage multiplier, but I have all those parts required.

The Tesla coil, well I have that covered. But all my Tesla coils are vacuum tube driven, which may not be the best thing for this? (If a square wave primary coil feed maybe necessary). So we will see…

Motor driver will just be a simple PWM driver so run the motors at a given speed.

Not sure about what piezo ultrasonic transducer to employ and what frequency or driver is required, these generally run at 40KHz. But maybe its frequency is related to the device its self? Is it even completely necessary?

Anyway progress isn’t as fast as I would want, due to the daily routine. But it’s not real expensive to build and I have with that funny looking smile on my face...
Thanks for the update and the additional information. Yea, I recognize the aluminum plating and I know it is really soft. Looks cool though.
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Sputins,
did you think about running the ultrasonic off of the tesla coil primary drive circuit ? maybe a capacitor voltage divider to drop the voltage low enough ?
at least if the frequencies have to match, they will be in phase as well

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so I have been thinking about what to build to test ideas
looking to things like the electrostatic lifter or the TT brown thing
and then looking at what gravity likely is: and unequal spin field also stated as a difference in a motion electric field.
seems like you would want to shape the field to match ideas like that
so I will try for a small field one polarity and a large field the other polarity. so 2 disks, one much larger than the other.
seems as if everyone that has tried it says that electrically switched magnetic fields work, so I will calculate it VS physical spinning magnets. and whatever one looks like it will have a stronger field I will build.
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So I’ve decided to model mine now after Alexey’s version-3 which has two rotating discs, both with magnets…

I’ve completed building the two discs. The thin Al metal with the hammered bug-wing finish is very soft even with the best efforts to keep it flat, there is some slight wobble still, but I’m pretty happy with how the first two came out. (If it turns out that the bug finish isn’t needed, then something more robust would be better). I also need to lathe up the insulating bushes that fit the motors and attach to the spinning discs. I’m also looking at the supporting discs to mount the motors and such, with motors and other parts on order, being sent.

Hello Sputins,

Glad to see you are progressing with build!!

On the too soft spinning discs material, plus your previous comment about brush riding it roughly due to uneven surface...I suggest you could add a second FLAT Aluminum disc attached on the side where motors are...and so brushes would be riding on its smooth surface.

That would give strength to discs as well.

I believe on a device like this, that other options could be tested...it is always good to make everything bolted on and easy to remove and replace.


Good luck and success on your build

Edit; On the Piezo electric and ultrasound..I would order one of those Car Air fresheners based on ultrasound...they have everything and are 12V and very low amperage.



Then you could read its frequency at 12V...and drive your Tesla Coil at that same freq...they BOTH must be in resonance!

If this WHOLE thing is a Hoax...then you have a heck of an EXOTIC air freshener...

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Yes I agree with you UFO, putting another backing plate on the bug-wing finish sheet, to provide both strength and a better brush surface could be a good idea and option.

The .pdf states this below:

"The ultrasonic transducer (piezo element) delivers ultrasound around the entire plate. Kacher gives a high-frequency impulse. They need to be adjusted to get a resonance. In addition, you have to adjust the voltage (plus or minus on external drives)".

I don't think that a direct quote from Alexey however? - But whoever wrote the pdf?? (Talks about him in the third person).

But it does not directly say the ultrasonic transducer is in resonance with the Tesla coil, as such, (that i can see), just that it is adjusted to get A resonance with the device. (Perhaps a resonance with the disc structure / frame itself or the resonant frequency of the rotating magnetic field, or something else?

Likely the Tesla coil shown in video, just going by the looks of it, size etc. probably has a resonant frequency of near 500kHz as a minimum, which is far from the 40kHz of a standard ultrasonic transducer. Unless it is some lower harmonic of the Tesla coil frequency?

I can get the ultrasonic transducers from ultrasonic cleaning water baths easy enough, perhaps even for free, but the frequency range at which to drive it at would be the question and the electrical parameters needed to drive it are yet to be known..

Maybe with the double counter rotating magnets the ultrasonic transducer may not be needed at all?

If this all becomes a failure, I can use the parts to make a nice fan forced mozzie zapper I recon!
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Some Facts...

Hello Sputins and all,

Well, I particularly like the #2 Model...it is actually -and so far- the only one proven to get off the ground...Indoors plus Outdoors.

And ALL PSU it requires is a 12V car battery which supplies to ALL Circuits involved...as shown on outdoors video.

Now, the #3 Model (which btw we have NOT seen working)...have two AC INDUCTION MOTORS, which IMHO should be around 120V AC ea...

Just saying...that I consider #2 Model a more direct way to success plus simpler to build.


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I set the materials I had assembled on the bench. Using a 24-inch plywood base, I drilled a hole halfway through the center. In the hole I placed securely the carbon rod of a broken flashlight cell. Next I obtained a large nail of like diameter and wound the nail with 50 turns of very fine copper wire. When I had slid the finished coil off the nail, the unwound ends of wire remaining measured about eight or 10 inches. I soldered two extra connections: one from the top and one from the bottom; two of the ends were connected to a small pen flashlight battery. I stapled some of the wires to the plywood base to hold the assembly in position.

Next I took the small brass cap off the larger flashlight battery cell and glued it in the exact center of a 10-inch aluminum disc, which had been put on the jig-saw and placed in a balanced position directly on top of the carbon rod. I do remember definitely that four ends of the wire pointed at the edges of the disc directly opposite each other in the form of a cross, and approximately one-eighth of an inch from the edge of the disc. All of the equipment was set up in accordance with an imaginary shape of a pyramid.

Then I made two connections at the bottom of the apparatus, which apparently completed the circuit—for the disc immediately was en*veloped by a bluish, spinning light! Then, to my utter amazement, it rose from the platform, crashed through the 12-foot ceiling, which was made of aluminum paper, apparently bounced off the peak roof and then came down again through the same hole through which it had made its ascent!

It crashed with more force than the weight of the aluminum would normally permit, almost completely destroying itself so far as recon*struction of that particular model was concerned.

I was so surprised and shocked I sat down in complete silence and thought for several minutes.
Isn't it a very similar deal we are seen here?...except that was back in 1956...Howard Menger book...





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Good catch ~

I took some scrap paper and quickly sketched out the whole description as far as I could make sense of it, but it is difficult to tell what is going where.
For example;

"I had slid the finished coil off the nail, the unwound ends of wire remaining measured about eight or 10 inches. I soldered two extra connections: one from the top and one from the bottom; two of the ends were connected to a small pen flashlight battery. I stapled some of the wires to the plywood base to hold the assembly in position."

To what has he soldered two extra connections: to the coil of wire? Are there two connections at each end of the coil & creating 4 points, as seems indicated later on, with 2 being positive and 2 being neg? He says he soldered 2 extra connections, one from the top and one from the bottom, but the top and bottom of what?

I think taking what we now understand and working with this it's possible to conclude it is a partial description but could be massaged in to a more meaningful and potentially realistic explanation. To begin with this isn't a real description of a levitating disc, but it is a jumbled recollection and which has important clues to such a device, and so I cannot conclude any intelligent helpful aliens brought him this information. Pretty sure if that were the case he would have had a considerably clearer recollection that what he did have.

I have to conclude the poor guy was part of an early mind control program. One which has had a very long agenda and which was and still is aimed at convincing people that UFO's are alien machines. Ultimately this having to do with maintaining another long term project of upholding Einsteinian Physics and delaying for as long as possible a return to rationality and the theories which predated Einstein.

This is an extremely interesting story and the fact that he could never replicate the machine, nor recall how he had built the first machine are serious indictments, ones which strongly suggest his recollections of a supposed success were from a demonstration he witnessed, and almost certainly while being subjected to some form of interrogations and programming.

He had to be shown some kind of levitating machine but since no accepted physics can explain how this device would work he himself could never make enough sense of it to replicate the machine. Nor was he ever intended to be able to do so. The whole idea was to have him believe an alien had shown him how to do this with simple materials.

I think there's some similarities to the Mascart /Blaze Lab's Experiment 10, and there may be some useful hints we ourselves can pick up on. Those might include simple carbon rods for rotational electrical connections as well not forgetting that induction in coils of wire create a magnetic field, which would be useful for re~orienting the dielectric field. As such one might think of these as gearboxes or differentials transferring the direction of drive power to another direction.

Recall here that to change the direction of gravitational flow the transfer of motive power entails a re~vectoring of the dielectric field which is creating the illusion of gravitation, which can be accomplished by applying a magnetic field applied perpendicular to the gravitational direction.
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The dynamics of what is taking place need to be drawn out in to a schematic of actions. I have no difficultly doing this using Wheeler's definition of counterspace, but only with any which involve quantum physics.

I ask you to reconsider the actions; magnets are the result of focused energies passing through organized crystalline forms. Those energies are extracted from an incoherent dielectric field, and drawn from counterspace, and which are formed in to a coherent field by the existence of an organized crystalline pattern of specific shape.

As the magnets spin a condensed dielectric field acts upon an incoherent surrounding counterspacial energy field. That incoherent field is dielectric and it is what causes all matter to have an electrical field, and which only then also creates a magnetic field. All matter has a magnetic field of some type.

The structure of the matter itself, it's crystalline pattern and shapes of crystalline molecular composition, these strongly influence the resulting conversion of counter~spacial dielectrical energies to form a condensed dielectrical field; a magnetic field through the biological and or other inanimate matter in question.

This counter~spacial dielectrical energy field, when formed in to a focused coherent field, which is what a magnet is, must then act as a real form upon the otherwise invisible and undetectable dielectric field that surrounds all existing matter.

Remember that the field of counter space is unacknowledged by present physics and is instead called a quantum field. Counter space is not an acknowledged field nor is it identified as a unified field by Einsteinian Physics.

There is no such thing as gravity. Gravity is not a field modality. Matter does not posses gravity.
That's what Wheeler says. I agree with him on this. Matter reacts to a counter~spacial energy field.

A coupling due to mechanical rotations of magnets must then include the understanding that natural physical forces of inertial and gyroscopic force are being applied to a formed coherent energy field, one whose nature is to dissolve back in to the counter space of incoherent dielectric energy.

That counter space of incoherent energy is fluxing at billions of times the speed the light, or some other high frequency; reverberating.

To complement that fusing job FREQUENCY is FUSED to a vibrating (dielectric ) Field.
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so when trying to calculate how much power I can stick into a magnetic coil, it is all about current and number of turns as far as magnetic output
but the speed of the thing also matters to make this field,
and the higher the frequency you put through a coil the higher the impedance, so the harder it is to get that current into the coil.
the more turns you have the higher the impedance,
so how to get the most current into a coil for the lowest price ?
resonance is the answer
set up the coils in parallel with a high Q capacitor.
so if it is designed careful, should get about 100 times the current for the same input power.
just thought I would share that thought in case no one else thought of it.
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so when trying to calculate how much power I can stick into a magnetic coil, it is all about current and number of turns as far as magnetic output
but the speed of the thing also matters to make this field,
and the higher the frequency you put through a coil the higher the impedance, so the harder it is to get that current into the coil.
the more turns you have the higher the impedance,
so how to get the most current into a coil for the lowest price ?
resonance is the answer
set up the coils in parallel with a high Q capacitor.
so if it is designed careful, should get about 100 times the current for the same input power.
just thought I would share that thought in case no one else thought of it.
That understanding might be why Bitter solenoid magnets were invented.
Was there any such thing as a High Q capacitor in 1930?


Bitter electromagnets/solenoids
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bitter_electromagnet
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That understanding might be why Bitter solenoid magnets were invented.
Was there any such thing as a High Q capacitor in 1930?
looks like there was,
"Nikola Tesla filed a patent in 1896 for a vacuum capacitor"
from here
"https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vacuum_variable_capacitor"
and that is the part you are going to want to make this happen.
to bad they are a bit pricey
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I tossed this together if you want to use it to help to visualize ideas.

I want to add that in all the material which is out there across the entire internet about free energy, about UFO's and their propulsion systems, and across all bankrupted physics, there is absolutely no understanding whatever of any other physics as outlined by Stevens on the ideas which predated Einstein.

Wheeler's ideas are factually demonstrated, in my opinion, and I do not think it is possible to understand this machine without understanding some of Ken's descriptions of counter space being a dielectric field, how it interacts with matter, how it results in a magnetic field in matter, and how then that magnetism is the binding force of matter.

Conjecture.

I think this machine meets the criteria which Ken outlines in his video on gravity. It is applying a magnetic force perpendicular to the so~called gravity field. As the poles of the magnets spin they too are acting on the HV. It's magnetic field is then being reshaped due to the RH rule and the rotation of the magnets below. I'm speculating that this spin is causing a revectoring of that HV magnetic field, and which acts further upon the re~vectored dielectric counterspace.

In the first action the magnets spin revectors the surrounding dielectric field of counterspace to a horizontal plane. In the second phase the poles of the spinning magnets might be pulling the magnetic field of the HV in to a cone, which then acts to pull the horizontal dielectric counter space up wards to form a conical re~vectoring of the intertial dielectric force of counter space.

What do you think? Off in the weeds, don't understand Wheeler well enough, what?

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Hi Gambeir,

Do you have the links or any pdf explaining this above?

On the way Menger describes it is confusing...it looks like he is got coil in parallel connection with battery plus two more "connections", above-below, guessing each soldered connection have two wires each... in order to have FOUR wires in CROSS SHAPE parallel +/- aiming to aluminum disc by an eight of inch gap, guess to generate electric field...but then he writes he's got two final ends to join closing circuit...like a switch.

IMO, I believe he's got a center tapped wire somewhere, which acts as the batt input.

No wonder he could not replicate it again.

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Hi Gambeir,

Do you have the links or any pdf explaining this above?

On the way Menger describes it is confusing...it looks like he is got coil in parallel connection with battery plus two more "connections", above-below, guessing each soldered connection have two wires each... in order to have FOUR wires in CROSS SHAPE parallel +/- aiming to aluminum disc by an eight of inch gap, guess to generate electric field...but then he writes he's got two final ends to join closing circuit...like a switch.

IMO, I believe he's got a center tapped wire somewhere, which acts as the batt input.

No wonder he could not replicate it again.

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I know that originally this was from the Turkish Site but that's not where I got it.

Ah, found it for ya
Levitationsmaschine -Â*Â* ©Â* Cetin BAL - GSM:+90Â* 05366063183 -Turkey/Denizli

This is a huge site devoted to free energy and antigravity, time travel, teleportation, etct.
Here's the home page to the original source.
Zamanda Yolculuk - Giri? Sayfas?

The image itself is archived here. Shows you are not alone. People archive anything they sense might be significant.
Index of /docs/Elektronik/Tesla/Levitationsmaschine-Dateien/
Scroll down to near the bottom and look for this link. This is where I pulled the image.
antigravitydiskkx2.PNG

A direct Tin Eye reverse seach yielded 4 results. None from the original site and so you can't count on this method as a sole means to find the source.
https://tineye.com/search/0d165b0d61...b3004629688ff/

Often a favored way to search is to use google chrome where you can right click on any image and do an image search through Tin Eye. Most times though I use duck duck go and so I go directly to Tin Eye for a reverse image search. You can do 10 free a day which is typically more than enough, otherwise I switch to the Chrome Browser.

Another option for a wide search is call up Google/Bing Images and then do a search that way. This one below is for images on Zamandayolcluk. This doesn't mean you're going to receive all the images but it's useful.
https://www.google.com/search?biw=15...cpaKGA#imgrc=_
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New Member Fluxliner asked if I could post this: Consider it done.
I agree with Fluxliner's assessment of the Woodward Effect. There's already a broken/jammed more like link, but maybe someone can find it, or I will later on.
However there is this at the same link: a 337 page PDF on a workshop covering Mach's Principle and Woodward Effect. I should read this and you should skim this~
http://ssi.org/wp-content/uploads/20...ngs_201609.pdf

Oh brother, already? Page not found on the links. Well thanks for the validation I guess>

Fluxliner:
Sorry to PM you unannounced like this but I'm new here. After months of lurking here I finally decided to create an account but I don't have permission to post in the thread yet so I thought I'd just PM you about this.


The thrust that is created by asymmetrical capacitors is what the Woodward effect is about..you talked about it in your thread already but their research has been awarded with a NASA Contract.

Here is a link: https://www.nasa.gov/directorates/sp...tellar_Mission


The problem they have is the heat management. But in the ARV they solved this problem by using mercury or Gallium as a coolant and sort of like a wire to conduct the electricity to the plates. They must've been using a Van de Graaff generator or a Tesla Coil to reach the necessary voltages.

Now I've been thinking that if someone could replace this: Page not found | Space Studies Institute

Go to slide 10.

and here:Page not found | Space Studies Institute

they describe how a MEGA Effect Thruster is built.

So if we can replace their design with the Magnesium-Zinc Alloy that is sheeted in molten Bismuth and Copper and finally layered in a Silicon Dioxide Crystal with the Mercury or Gallium(I'd prefer Gallium since it's less toxic but I'm not sure if it'll still work) as a Coolant and Voltage Generator. Using a Mercury vapor turbine (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mercury_vapour_turbine) in conjunction with a high voltage generator and a Magnet. Yes a magnet.

Here is why I believe the antennae section in the ARV to be a Magnet that is presumably powered by the X-Rays.

This guy replicated TT Browns Gravitator: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DP1q95f6TgA

It gets interesting in the comments. He says:

"Another interesting thing is that, when charged, the capacitor is strongly affected by magnets. I put a powerful electromagnet (modified MOT) near it and it was strongly attracted towards the MOT. I didn't even need to "pulse" the DC, just when I started the power it was immediately attracted with much greater force than usual. This is something new for me - a dielectric attracted by magnetic field."


So here it is. There is no need for a pulsing the DC when the capacitors are in the presence of an Magnet. This solves a lot of problems for the MEGA Effect Thruster. They've been struggling to increase the frequency.

Now if someone could replicate this and prove it to be real and even better maybe even send it to the Space Studies Institute, better yet send it directly to Dr Professor Heidi Fearn and James F. Woodward that would be great.

Now I haven't got the money nor the expertise to built such a device which is why I'm writing this so someone else may get this done.


PS:I know NASA is usually in bed with the Establishment but maybe this is a attempt at soft/ fake disclosure?
It gets even more interesting when you start reading Dr. Woodwards Books. He talks about “arbitrarily advanced aliens" that produce stargates in a very hypothetical way...

Here is a link to his paper: https://physics.fullerton.edu/~jimw/stargates.pdf


Maybe you can tell the others in the thread about my ideas, that would be nice.
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Yes I agree with you UFO, putting another backing plate on the bug-wing finish sheet, to provide both strength and a better brush surface could be a good idea and option.

The .pdf states this below:

"The ultrasonic transducer (piezo element) delivers ultrasound around the entire plate. Kacher gives a high-frequency impulse. They need to be adjusted to get a resonance. In addition, you have to adjust the voltage (plus or minus on external drives)".

I don't think that a direct quote from Alexey however? - But whoever wrote the pdf?? (Talks about him in the third person).

But it does not directly say the ultrasonic transducer is in resonance with the Tesla coil, as such, (that i can see), just that it is adjusted to get A resonance with the device. (Perhaps a resonance with the disc structure / frame itself or the resonant frequency of the rotating magnetic field, or something else?

Likely the Tesla coil shown in video, just going by the looks of it, size etc. probably has a resonant frequency of near 500kHz as a minimum, which is far from the 40kHz of a standard ultrasonic transducer. Unless it is some lower harmonic of the Tesla coil frequency?

I can get the ultrasonic transducers from ultrasonic cleaning water baths easy enough, perhaps even for free, but the frequency range at which to drive it at would be the question and the electrical parameters needed to drive it are yet to be known..

Maybe with the double counter rotating magnets the ultrasonic transducer may not be needed at all?

If this all becomes a failure, I can use the parts to make a nice fan forced mozzie zapper I recon!
Sputin's, I was thinking if this is validating Wheelers dynamic field theory of counterspace, then it seems logical to me that the upper spinning disk should have a parabolic shape with magnets on the upper edges of the parabola. The whole idea is to pull the dielectric inertial plane up to re~vector it away from it's earthly direction. Might be worth thinking about.
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maybe what you have posted have something to do with Stan Deyo antigravity system that nobody could,t replicate till now (?) see this topic : Stan Deyo

also I found an interesting paper regarding antigravity technology http://www.americanantigravity.com/f...avity-2005.pdf
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maybe what you have posted have something to do with Stan Deyo antigravity system that nobody could,t replicate till now (?) see this topic : Stan Deyo

also I found an interesting paper regarding antigravity technology http://www.americanantigravity.com/f...avity-2005.pdf
I think our real challenge with reproduction is money,
if you read the PDF file you linked to and start looking at how much money it would take to buy that much copper...

now if we are tying to reproduce it on a small scale, that is another matter, but small scale gets you small results. There is likely a reason why what you link to and the ARV are large.
making small models is hard, you have to know just what you are doing. and that is not where we are at right now

I have already plugged in a toroid wrapped coil into wall voltage and seen it jump into the air, but I caught it just right in the sine wave... hard to reproduce that, but I have seen it happen.

now knowing that we can measure the effect we want on a volt meter is super handy. The fact that electrostatic voltage can mess up that reading makes it harder, but at least we know it is an issue.
and now with a good idea of how it all works, we can build the tests in small scale with the correct format to work the best, and know what to look for even if the effect is way to small to measure a gravity change.
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maybe what you have posted have something to do with Stan Deyo antigravity system that nobody could,t replicate till now (?) see this topic : Stan Deyo

also I found an interesting paper regarding antigravity technology http://www.americanantigravity.com/f...avity-2005.pdf
* Sorry I kept redoing this: Think I'm done now. Hopefully it makes some sense.
Ok, well thanks for posting this Sinergicus, it's not anything I've seen, and it is probably not something others have seen, but I didn't analyze it. I skimmed over it and saw some things of interest but like so many others it's missing a key understanding, one which isn't missing from Alexey's machine, a machine incorporating enough of Ken Wheeler's theories to work. So let me use this to pound home what I think has to be recognized before any successes can me had.

We don't have physics, what we have is a philosophy of physics called Einsteinian Physics. If that were not true, if this were not a philosophy, then we would not be seeing UFO's; Our physics explanation for UFO's is that all UFO's are either delusional or coming from other worlds, but in no sense could they come from our world, because the energy needs are so fantastic that it is physically impossible for humans to accomplish at our level of development right now: This is criminal construct and nothing more. Which is more believable: That all UFO's are delusions and or from other worlds, or that our physics is in error and some, or all, UFO's are of human construction? Look at the problem of UFO's from the perspective a policeman. If you saw someone rob a store, then go to their house and find everyone there claims that person was home, do you go ahead and arrest that person anyways? Yes you arrest them; that's what cops do all the time right?

When the case comes to trial the robbery suspect denies that they robbed the store, and the defense has an entire household, a cavalcade of witnesses to support their version that they were home at the time, how are you going to convince the jury that's not true? Don't you show the jury the witnesses testimony as to who the robber was, don't you give your own testimony, and isn't this what normally takes place? Don't most rational people conclude the family is trying to cover for a flunky family member?

The family covering for the flunky is mathematics, contemporary physics, and the technical electrical theory which goes along with it: It's Einsteinian Physics and it's covering because of why? Because it will be exposed as a fraud, as incorrect, as a failure and where then will that leave all those who have so much invested in this fraud? Unemployed, broke, and bankrupted? UFO's are evidentiary proofs of a mistaken and failed philosophy of physics.
It is that simple.
That is the indictment.
How can his be? How can this be so in error?

I want to use something SL3 said at the energetic link you posted. Two things actually, and which illustrate how our own logic isn't logical, and we all do this all the time and it's hard to guard against and to be able to see.

Post #96 by SL3
SL3 says; " I moved to farm country after twit doctors tried to poison and kill me." Then SL3 says; "Electrical I'm fairly good at. Electronics a bit. Math and Physics pretty strong"

Keep in mind I'm just using this as an example.

OK, so now consider the two statement's juxtaposition. Ask yourself this question: How is it that we all assume our electronics, physics, and math are uncontaminate if mainstream clinical medicine is a potential poison? This is by no means a unique point of view which SL3 states, which is why I'm using it for illustration purposes.

Do you see how broken those two ideas are? That's a dichotomy of titanic proportions. If you held that kind of distrubed idea as logical, but in other areas, you might then be diagnosed as having a schizophrenic personality disorder. You might have a court order prescribing compulsory drug treatment for your mentally defective reasoning.
Snort~ *

Reminds me of THX 1138 where the robot cops are calling to the escaped; "come back, we only want to help you;" but I digress..
OK, so now let's consider why Anti~gravity Failure.

Why have successes been hit and miss in this field we are dealing with, and how do you contaminate math? How do you contaminate physics? How do you contaminate electrical theory? How do you make it possible to deny what the eye witness testimony of who the robber is seem delusional and or mistaken?

Suppose you were trying to undermine success by others (antigravity efforts). How would you go about doing that? More importantly, how could you do it if the material you were trying to undermine was factually correct? That is to say, the mathematics, most physics, and most electrical theory are factually correct. Yet again, the witnesses are correct, there are people seeing UFO's. How do you get your family of mathematicians, physicists, and technicians to deny that is possible when you know the witness isn't lying? Of course you have to convince the jury these eye witnesses are either crazy or mistaken. That's the defense's job. They do it for a living. This is old hat material. To do that you have to convince the family of mathematicians, physicists, and technicians that their information is infallible in order to enlist them as experts to deny reality.

So what I'm saying is that the family who denies the reality is mathematics, most physics, and most electrical theory, and yet again you know that what you're seeing is real so they must be corrupted right? So can you corrupt mathematics? Can you corrupt physics? Can you corrupt electrical theory? Can you make an eye witness look crazy, mistaken, or just simply stupid?

The correct answer is yes you can make the eye witness look crazy, mistaken, or simply stupid and this is what today's physics does, and it does this by using mathematics and electrical theory. It does this because the defense still cannot address the real issue of their guilt, the defense must continue to deny that their client committed the crime, which in this case the crime is a question of gravity. It is the assumption that gravity is a part of matter which cannot be brought in to question without admitting a fundamental error. The reason nothing works in anti~gravity is the underlying base which all the other parts of science today are based on is factually incorrect: There is no such thing as gravity, just as Ken Wheeler says there isn't, and that's the truth it cannot admit without admitting guilt.

The only way to corrupt mathematics, physics, and electrical theory is to give it a false foundation and that false foundation is the idea that gravity exists as a natural part of matter; Any believer in Einsteinian Physics whose confronted with a denial of gravity having field modality will immediately seize on mathematical proofs as evidence, but it's a false foundation based matter having a field modality that doesn't exist. That's the error which Ken Wheeler has shown and that the field modality which gives us this illusion of gravity belongs to another energy field. This is what Wheeler keeps pointing us towards and he's right.

Nothing is ever going to work until it is recognize that gravity doesn't exist. Nothing is going to solve the mystery until it is recognized that another force is creating what we are calling gravity. Finally, nothing is going to work until it is also recognized that correlations between ultra high frequencies and this unknown and unacknowledged energy field are what induces an illusion of gravity.

You cannot have a successful anti~gravity machine without meshing with that energy field which is creating the illusion of gravity. All evidence I see says Wheeler is correct about what that energy field is and how it operates.
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not to take this to much out of context,
but you are arguing with the definitions of words at this point.
don't get lost here.

gravity is a well known idea. People die from it all the time.
to try and deny it is out there is not going to make you any friends.
start saying that "gravity is a side effect" (of an unequal time field, or an unequal motion electric field) is totally fair.
but to deny it entirely... now that is something else.
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I have to conclude the poor guy was part of an early mind control program. One which has had a very long agenda and which was and still is aimed at convincing people that UFO's are alien machines. Ultimately this having to do with maintaining another long term project of upholding Einsteinian Physics and delaying for as long as possible a return to rationality and the theories which predated Einstein.
Hello Gambeir,

This is the point where we are not in agreement, and will NEVER BE:

...You keep denying the REAL EXISTENCE of UFO's AS COMING from OTHER WORLDS...

Then You are falling in the same "FRAME" where MUFON and many other AGENCIES have been created to DENY UFO's as been ET...for over sixty years

Have You ever done ANY research on ANCIENT UFO'S?

They are EXTENSIVELY PAINTED and SCULPTED in MANY MASTER PIECES OF OUR HISTORY?!!

Before CIA, FBI, or the USA were even thinking of existing?

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This is an extremely interesting story and the fact that he could never replicate the machine, nor recall how he had built the first machine are serious indictments, ones which strongly suggest his recollections of a supposed success were from a demonstration he witnessed, and almost certainly while being subjected to some form of interrogations and programming.

He had to be shown some kind of levitating machine but since no accepted physics can explain how this device would work he himself could never make enough sense of it to replicate the machine. Nor was he ever intended to be able to do so. The whole idea was to have him believe an alien had shown him how to do this with simple materials.
According to your above conclusions...You never read that book on its entirety...

When He was just a kid, he had already CONTACT of the THIRD KIND, with the "Space People"...Him and his brother approached a small disc resting on the grass...and all the sudden it started VIBRATING...then it just flew away at super speed.


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Recall here that to change the direction of gravitational flow the transfer of motive power entails a re~vectoring of the dielectric field which is creating the illusion of gravitation, which can be accomplished by applying a magnetic field applied perpendicular to the gravitational direction.
There is no such thing as "re-vectoring of the dielectric field".

Dielectric Field is Counterspace, where ALL Vectors are Inwards, Centripetal Force towards "no~space"...or "nothing" in our space...the "void"

Counterspace can not be "spatial", since it is its opposite, and so, both can not exist -nor interact- at the same Time~Space...our Time-Space.

Gravity, Gravitation is NOT an "Illusion"...it is REAL, however, it is just an AETHER DISTURBANCE...just as Magnetism or Dielectricity is.

(to be continued...)


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Hello ALL,

Let's "revive" Ken Wheeler's Book, and so its CONCEPTS...in order NOT to keep "speculating" on Interactions which are NOT POSSIBLE!!

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It is said that space or nature “abhors a vacuum” but this is untrue, it is the Ether that abhors a vacuum of itself; micro-magnetic, as meant atomic dilation is filled by the magnetic, or Ether-field, there is no void inside the atom as GR and QM profess. There is no Ether in space, only space; counterspace is the opposite of space. Ether disturbances can be brought into space, such as magnetism, mass, gravity, electricity, dielectricity, but all lines of force terminate in counterspace, not in space, as such Ether terminates in Ether.

That polarized spatial Ether fields exist is, as always can be found, against-space, not in space
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A spatial disturbance is really an Ether field disturbance, either radial, polarized / circular, longitudinal, centrifugal or centripetal. Space has only 1 dimension, space; fields interact with other fields in different modalities of pressure stability.

All atomic bindings are Ether and Ether equalizes itself with itself, conjugately by dielectricity or by magnetism in the counterspatial and in the spatial, or in dynamic polarization by the production of electricity. To speak conventionally as humans are necessitated, we say magnetism is spatial, however this is empirically just a connotation, what we are detonating is that a field is polarized (rather distended as space, not against space or ‘in’ space, since this is impossible) against itself (from another causation namely dielectricity), but not OF space. As mentioned, polarization is a trick of space in seeing CW on one end (in space) and CCW from the other end (in space). There is space in Ether when the Ether is in dynamic movements, centripetal or centrifugal, radial or circular, but the Ether is not in space, the Ether is only in itself as it equalizes itself with, by, in and thru itself with itself, the space created from this dynamic is merely an attributional convention. As is the case, there is ‘gold in the gold lion, but no lion in the gold’.

Any polarization of the Ether must be dielectro-electromagnetic, dielectrically terminating (as mass), or magnetic by definition.
Electrostatics, longitudinal and dielectricity being counterspatial and without polarity cannot partake of polarity and likewise also not partake of space or time. Spatial accumulation of mass however is a different modality with a centripetal field, but a spatial accumulation of matter.
That was on Page 62 of the Third Edition Book: Uncovering the Missing Secrets of Magnetism.

Now on GRAVITY:

As Ken states...The FIRST MAIN TWO COMPONENTS WHICH COMES FIRST are:

1- DIELECTRICITY which is "Creation"...it is the prime (DIRECT) Aether Disturbance.

2- MAGNETISM is the SECONDARY still PRIME Aether Disturbance which is Space "Radiation", Centrifugal

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Dielectricity is the Ether under torsion and torque at its inertial plane; magnetism is a spatial circular reciprocating vortex, an Etheric ‘pair’ of fountains and countersinks. Electricity is the dynamic radial or reciprocating polarization of the Ether.
GRAVITY is a BI-PRODUCT from the Two Components above, more directly from the FIRST, DIELECTRICITY.

Gravity is CENTRIPETAL, NOT CENTRIFUGAL.

Planet Earth Gravitational Field is a product from its Dielectric Field PLUS its Magnetic Field.

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The further we travel from Earth, (our "Space Time") the LESS GRAVITY that we will feel...until in OUTER SPACE= NO GRAVITY.


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Build update

Construction continues, slow but steady, the build is more advanced than these photos, updates to follow later.

I've completed a simple flyback driver with x2 IRFP260's along with various flyback transformers, wired to use the driver. It works quite well. I've also made the voltage multiplier used in the circuit. Magnets and discs are ready.

Working on the Tesla coil part. I have a coil to use wound already, but working on the primary coil and transistor circuit. Alexey uses a (PNP) transistor, KT819, so I'm looking for an equivalent transistors to use.

Still await further parts to arrive, but the frame work on the disc is taking shape.
Certain pictures below.

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The further we travel from Earth, (our "Space Time") the LESS GRAVITY that we will feel...until in OUTER SPACE= NO GRAVITY.
Dielectric attraction in micro gravity
on the International Space Station
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Ufopolitics, we are not in disagreement and never have been about aliens or any other thing, and you're right that I need to re~frame my statement. Also don't worry about you're replies. We haven't got time to sweat the small stuff.

I understand gravity is real in the sense that your feet stick to the ground. Mass is not weight, it has no correlation to gravity, it is a description of scale and weight combined and that is all.
Gravity being a reactive exchange between a physical body (mass) with an unrecognized and unacknowledged energy field which creates magnetism in matter and which creates a centripetal force upon matter.

Ken says you can void the weight of mass by interdicting those counterspacial energies which act upon a body by applying a right angle (perpendicular) magnetic force to the direction of gravity. Remembering here that gravity is not a real thing, but a reactionary force that gives weight and attraction to other matter because it also creates a magnetic field. If there is no magnetic field there is no innate attraction of matter to matter. Magnetism is a feature of matter attraction, but not one of planetary orbits, nor of significant gravitational creation where matter condenses upon other matter by centripetal force.

* Somewhere in here is where I'm probably overlooking something important about centripetal force and magnetic fields

If the energy flowing out of a magnet is unknown then say so: Say that counter~space energies unknown energies: Say that quantum physics is actually a study of what counter~spacial energies are: What else could that field possibly be about if it is to have any validity at all.

Energies which flows through a magnet come from counter~space: Counter space being and unrecognized energy field. In my mind this field is a dielectric field; it separates charges using a magnetic field. This is probably a fundamental misunderstanding on my part.

We do not know what counter~space is then if it is not an energy which can create a magnetic field if it is not a dielectric field. We also cannot say it is the opposite of space; we just only say it cannot be detected here except in the ways it creates force, and that force all correlates to the development of a magnetic field.

Mass is just a volume. It is just a description of space. Electricity is just a manifestation of magnetic action. Gravity is just the consequence of the repulsive effects and attractions all relating to the flow and fluxing of counter~spacial energy and the development of magnetic fields.

All force is the result of an inter~action with a counter~spacial energy. All forces are either radial, polarized, circular, longitudinal, centrifugal or centripetal.
PS: God knows how this will sound after a nap~
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Energies which flows through a magnet come from counter~space: Counter space being and unrecognized energy field. In my mind this field is a dielectric field; it separates charges using a magnetic field. This is probably a fundamental misunderstanding on my part.

We do not know what counterspace is then if it is not an energy which can create a magnetic field if it is not a dielectric field. We also cannot say it is the opposite of space; we just only say it cannot be detected here except in the ways it creates force, and that force all correlates to the development of a magnetic field.
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After that, what I really wanted to post, our latest sighting.
Last night about 10:30 pm silently passing directly over the house at maybe about 120 knots. Nearly invisible until very close, we didn't spot it until it was over the store across the street even though it was heading directly at us, and which is maybe 300 yards away. So at most we didn't catch anything amiss until it was at most 4 football fields away from us, and maybe 500 feet up in the air. It was about 100 feet across. Maybe a little more. We have a lot of jet traffic come over when they vector the traffic our way from Seatac. Our house being on the highest point around it's a natural vector.

Total sighting time is maybe 4 seconds, we we standing on the front porch which has a slight overhang, after the first second of shock I realized what I was seeing and leap to my feet running out in the yard to see it go directly overhead.

I think this is not a single thing but about 7 or 8 box like things linked together. My other half said it looked like a bar. To me it looked like one of the lights was lagging behind a tad, like they were in formation, but one a little out of place.

PS: Not an image, it's my depiction of what we saw. Art work so you have an idea.
I guess it was also 9/22 and not 9/23 but whatever.
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Yes, it's intuitive I think, at once you get this idea of a magnet being an energy moving in one direction.

I used to talk to an Engineer and he used to say that if only you could figure out a way to make a ground to space you would have all the energy you could every want.
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