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Not Cancelling Gravity?...but Lorent Force?...Hey guys let's stop fooling around here...if Lorentz could give us a craft that takes off vertically...why mess with this BS?

I wonder what else Lorentz could do...established since the 1900's but still have not seen this application yet...well, let's keep waiting...

Magnets have NORTH ON TOP, then B FIELD is UP and VERY VERTICAL...not radial.

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Well I agree, but the idea is one which is common enough, and here I think it shows our own need to fall back on what we think we know. I don't think we are going to get a solution this way. Hasn't worked for anyone in the last 50 years and so I think we have to dismiss our ideas that conventional knowledge will give us the rights ideas to provide a logical explanation that will set us free. BTW Ufopolitics, I love reading the Russian translations in the comments. So rude and so funny. Russians don't hold back what they think. LOl....snort~

He's gotten a lot of accusations , calling him a scoundrel, a rascal, and someone else said he was an idiot that he didn't need this or that part. So really he has a lot of detractors tying to make it look like this is all a fraud. So just about what I'd expect from the majority of mind controlled and the PTB shills. It makes me think all the more this is real.
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I am going to offer a prize for the first replication. Which must include hovering and include the details should they be any different from those we already know.
Whoever first successfully replicates this device will receive an authentic blueprint of the ARV. The exception of course being Spacecase0, who already has one as he well knows.

Otherwise no one else is blacklisted from this once in a life time opportunity.
Again, only Spacecase is blacklisted...so far... could change...probably not though.
Seriously, I do mean this; the blueprint part anyways..

The blueprint prize isn't a joke.
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Conjectures about the power and use of Lorentz force have been considered. John Iwaszko and his brother Adam both considered this idea; so the idea that a lorentz force could explain this sort of levitation has been given a good go round. Alone I don't think it can explain it. I think if it could we have flying cars by now.

Now to me it seems clear there's something else happening. I seriously doubt that enough attention has been given to the dielectric field, and certainly if one considers that the magnet is acting to impede the flow of an otherwise un~recognized energy field which then results in the creation of a magnetic field, then that says we are all missing a very large part of the true make up of Universe. Again, the evidence I've gathered which seems to cross correlate that idea comes out of Astrophysics, which is that there is a superfluidity to surrounding space, which is superluminal, and which fits with the ideas of Ken Wheeler and the manifestation of magnetism. So I can no longer consider space in the same context which has been sold by the establishment. That description is a fantansy science fiction story.

A galactic jet entails two counter rotating accretion disks, which suck in super cold space and eject plasma gas and other energies. Heat from cold is the reality of this action. Stevens explains that the super cold vastness of space is the repository of energy which sucks up and absorbs any energy which ventures in to it. There it remains cycling in a super cooled circuit. Space then is a superconductive energy field.

The study of the ARV revealed the importance of crystals in the propulsion/levitation system but didn't reveal their cross correlation to the dielectric field, which is what Ufopolitics and Ken Wheeler have done. A natural magnet cannot be rationally explained without an external energy field. That field must come from either a man made injection of energy to create an artificial magnet, and once created it can only be sustained by an exterior field of previously unknown energies.

This idea of pumping energy in to a crystal, which then inflates, which then levitates, appears to be a re~telling of what takes place in creating a magnet: The greater the impulse of energies, the more powerful the magnet, but there it doesn't stop. No, here we need to understand why it does and what seems to be taking place is there is a correlation between the power and way that this all takes place and subsequent formation of the crystalline formations. Here then we have this story of inflating crystals and pulp magazines touting Tetrahedrons from space and these are appearing in the 1920's and 1930's and so there is an understanding which is taking place and which is being told. Along with this is the focus on creating more and more powerful magnets, super cooling with liquid helium, there is an understanding that the power pumped in to a certain type of material causes a reaction and this reaction can then result in ever greater fields of magnetic power. This then says that it isn't just a simple question of pumping power in to the right material but that the formations, the crystalline patterns themselves are conductive of energies, and that those energies are dielectric energies, and which because of all this there is also a validation that the space around us is filled with a superluminal field of reverberations, a field of a dielectric energy. In this understanding of the dielectric field connection to magnetism is also an understanding that what we have been calling gravity is instead a reverberating and incoherent energy which is reactive in a propulsive sense to matter, and because it is dielectric it passes through most mater with little notice but is reactive nevertheless, as each bit of matter is magnetic due to the interaction and which has given us the illusion of gravity. To reveal this understanding would of course blow up a good deal of academia.

The only hypothesis which makes any sense at all is the one demonstrated by Wheeler as being a dielectric field, and in this there too is the explanation, just as Ken has said it was, that the dielectric field is an incoherent resonating field. It is one bouncing, reflecting, vibrating all around and throughout all Universe; it is the true source for gravity if we must use gravity as word to give meaning to the reflective reflex of matter encountering an incoherent but still superluminal flow of energies.

The Author of this device has paid great detail to the study of the ideas of Viktor Stepanovich Grebennikov and has rationally concluded that there is a resonating field of energies which are key to what we perceive as gravity.
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@Gambier, well said. Ufo, correct me if im wrong but you've dedicated countless hours to a concept that was developed in the early 1900's. I'll take your quote and change the wording for you 'Hey guys let's stop fooling around here...if Figueroa could give us a generator...why mess with this BS?

I wonder what else Figueroa could do ...established since the 1900's but still have not seen this application yet...well, let's keep waiting...'
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Hi folks have'nt posted in a while, been watching though. Just some thoughts on this, dont think this is antigravity per se, just a lorentz force drive. Check this patent ,(US20090085411A1) same process except he's using static mangets which have to get to the right speed to generate the correct freq fluctuations in the mag field. Also visualize that only the radial portion of the flux lines coming from the disc magnets.
I read the replies to this post...

think there is something going on that could be not everyone is seeing.
there seems to be some sort of frame of reference issue, or point of view issue, or whatever you want to call that.
we have uncovered many theoretical works that all point to building the same physical hardware.
they just go about saying things and clearly found the topic from vastly different points of few.
look at wilbert smith's book, he says that is the alien's point of view,
file:///home/violet/Documents/archive/www.rexresearch.com/smith/newsci.htm

look at hooper's work, it is best understood by mainstream physics
William J. Hooper: The Motional Electric Field

this one is the same thing, but yet another point of view and way of telling the story.
http://www.electrogravity.com/AVCFor...fugalForce.pdf

and what was the one that used spinning ions behind the craft to be propelled ?

not sure about ken wheeler because he has not shared his hardware yet...

some just started building hardware and got results
examples:
https://web.archive.org/web/20040217...ach/AxionA.htm

the same with the space warp people from Florida

I read the patent from the quote above:
this "lorentz force drive" is telling of the same thing.

there are more of them, I just can't seem to remember them all at the moment.

and what gets me about all this is that I did build the correct field format for a device a few years before this thread started.
my error was to not put enough power into it to get measurable results. Will have to check the state of the hardware in storage.

there are several formats that are going to work, just like standard engines, 4 stroke, 2 stroke, ram jet, turbine, sterling...
this disconnect seems to be the same thing

seems to me that the words that will best tell everyone how to do it in a way that there will not be any frame of reference issues is that the goal is to create an induced electric field, likely a shaped one.
So, a spinning magnetic field will induce that electric field. This is likely the most direct way, but the output may be small, and this is why we are having issues.
You can make it with an electric field that induces a magnetic field that in turn induces an electric field. You can make it with moving ions, you can make it lots of ways. Some methods get the electrons of a crystal to make it for you, and this one might have the best output for how much it costs to build.
see the idea ?
you can frame the issue in whatever words/ideas/language you want.
but it all comes down to describing ideas in reality that inherently "just are"
if you read enough of the methods of telling how it works, and can flip your mind around to others reference points to see what they are talking about, it all ends up being pretty clear.
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I read the replies to this post...

think there is something going on that could be not everyone is seeing.
there seems to be some sort of frame of reference issue, or point of view issue, or whatever you want to call that.
we have uncovered many theoretical works that all point to building the same physical hardware.
they just go about saying things and clearly found the topic from vastly different points of few.
look at wilbert smith's book, he says that is the alien's point of view,
file:///home/violet/Documents/archive/www.rexresearch.com/smith/newsci.htm

look at hooper's work, it is best understood by mainstream physics
William J. Hooper: The Motional Electric Field

this one is the same thing, but yet another point of view and way of telling the story.
http://www.electrogravity.com/AVCFor...fugalForce.pdf

and what was the one that used spinning ions behind the craft to be propelled ?

not sure about ken wheeler because he has not shared his hardware yet...

some just started building hardware and got results
examples:
https://web.archive.org/web/20040217...ach/AxionA.htm

the same with the space warp people from Florida

I read the patent from the quote above:
this "lorentz force drive" is telling of the same thing.

there are more of them, I just can't seem to remember them all at the moment.

and what gets me about all this is that I did build the correct field format for a device a few years before this thread started.
my error was to not put enough power into it to get measurable results. Will have to check the state of the hardware in storage.

there are several formats that are going to work, just like standard engines, 4 stroke, 2 stroke, ram jet, turbine, sterling...
this disconnect seems to be the same thing

seems to me that the words that will best tell everyone how to do it in a way that there will not be any frame of reference issues is that the goal is to create an induced electric field, likely a shaped one.
So, a spinning magnetic field will induce that electric field. This is likely the most direct way, but the output may be small, and this is why we are having issues.
You can make it with an electric field that induces a magnetic field that in turn induces an electric field. You can make it with moving ions, you can make it lots of ways. Some methods get the electrons of a crystal to make it for you, and this one might have the best output for how much it costs to build.
see the idea ?
you can frame the issue in whatever words/ideas/language you want.
but it all comes down to describing ideas in reality that inherently "just are"
if you read enough of the methods of telling how it works, and can flip your mind around to others reference points to see what they are talking about, it all ends up being pretty clear.
Brilliant actually~
So now, thanks to that post, this is much clearer to me. I grock what you've said and now I think I finally understand.
See how this sits with you Spacecase0.

So Spacecase you're saying that by creating a shaped electrical field we are also inducing a magnetic field, and it is through the formed magnetic field created by the electrical field which is then re~orientationed by the spinning magnetic field, and which in the end produces a change vector for the dielectric field: Thereby changing the force of the immediate dielectric field from down to up for example: If that dielectric inertial field is strong enough we have then antigravity or the re~orientation of the dielectric inertial.

This is what I'm reading and that makes complete sense to me. Does everyone see that? This explains the need for a High Voltage Energy Field. So in this specific case it seems the key here is in understanding how the magnets act upon the nearby HV charged field, and thereby creating a re~orientation of the dielectric inertial plane by moving or re~orienting the electrical fields magnetic plane. Is that about right Spacecase0?

What Ken Wheeler said is that by applying a magnetic field perpendicular to the direction of gravity it would alter it's direction of motion; gravity being in reality a plane of dielectric energies. That is the same thing, it is the same effect as modeling a new dielectric inertial plane by creating another magnetic field using electrical energies and which are then molded to re~vector the dielectric inertial plane so as to change the direction of action from down to up, and so here Wheeler stated the same thing but in a more simple way. Ken also says that this requires two magnets in his video on gravity to complete this re~vectoring and so there is an affirmation. To understand that you have to first understand that the magnet is a magnet because it is interacting with the dielectric plane; that is, it's field is the dielectric field and that we only see this field through the magnets ability to interact with the inertial superluminal flow of an incoherent dielectric field of energy.

So by using a rotating physical magnet of sufficient power, and then combined with an electrical field of High Voltage, and through those means (Using the Right Hand Rule *Wheeler) we can now plot the reorientation of the dielectric inertial plane. Or at least some of you can. Not sure about myself, but I know some of you can do this like it was an old hat, anyways someone can hold my hand: Thus completely invalidating the theory of gravity. Seems simple enough all things considered.

Like a kid building a match head rocket with tin foil, or the Saturn V moon rocket, a rocket is still a rocket any way you slice it.
The basics are the same. I see what you're saying now Spacecase0.
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The cool thing about this is that by having a working theory, and which is borne out by a working model, we can now look at things like the Caret Drones of California and begin to take those apart as well as all the others.

We still have a lot to figure out but just getting this down is a major accomplishment in my mind. Also I think we now can reasonably conclude that the models of Alexey are authentic working models.
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Bravo!!!Welcome Spacase0!!

Finally someone on this entire Forum puts together all the basic and essential roots to Unify the whole thing!!!

And this is NOT ONLY about Gravity...but about a FULL PACKAGE...which comes all together...want it or not.

The Magnetic Field have that essence to produce that "shaped" electric field, however, and as you have written, it is NOT of enough capacity to do the "magic"...just by PLAIN INDUCTION, as we all know based on Faraday's principles.

Magnetic Field have ANOTHER ATTRIBUTE which is less expensive and still, without Induction it is capable to shape the Electric Field the way we all want to.

That "attribute" is that it can BEND/DEFLECT INTO A SHAPE the Electric Fields OR ANY PARTICLES which compose it...and which we originally generate.

Alexey's Hardware is a basic example...as I see it, the magnetic field spinning, shapes that E-Field to achieve a distortion off the mass carrying it PLUS the FIELD around it...off course adding frequencies + vibrations in resonance altogether.

In the case of Alexey...the magnetic field is NOT INDUCING NADA, but just a SPIN.
The Electric Field is generated by a couple of external sources.

Alexey uses a basic DC FIELD, plus a second source (the Tesla Coil) , an AC FIELD to serve as the "accelerator", the Catalyst which also based on HF does the shaping we want.

Resuming, it's all like you have summed up...it could be in many different ways but the basic is always there as a common factor.

Like I have mentioned before...we just gather all those particles concentrated in one space, in one FIELD, and could even be as a Beam...then have a magnetic field to purely shape them in the required form...and vuala!!...all comes down by itself.

This is the pure essence to all...without much complications, nor sophisticated wordings.


Congratulations Spacecase!


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So as construction begins on my version-1 (SV-1), modeled after Alexey's Version-2, certain questions float into ones mind...

So while there isn't perhaps a direct answer, here's some of those floating questions out loud:

  1. Is this thing scalable? Can I scale it down and build a tiny version; can I scale it up? - (likely the answer is yes).

  2. Is there a particular or optimal ratio of disc sizes? As I measured from the photos, Alexey's version-2 has ratio of approx 1 : 1.80 Magnetic disc to Centre disc. (If in doubt go with 1 : 1.618)

  3. Is there an optimal size for the spinning disc and actual magnets? So if I have smaller size or power magnets does the disc size also need to be smaller? - Sort of a magnetic flux density (dielectric field) to plate size (HV DC) optimal ratio?

  4. Motors-? Alexey uses some kind of largish diameter motor on the bottom of version-2 and by the looks of it, a different motor on the upper disc. The upper motor seems to be a regular brushless DC fan motor...? - This would suggest that the upper and lower spinning discs are not necessarily spinning at the same speed. (Coz they're different, even though wired together). It looks like the top disc might be spinning a little faster? - Is this important or not? (Think vortex or torsion)? In Alexey's version-3 the upper and lower motors appear to be the same?

  5. Direction of magnetic disc? - Seems in the video of version-2 the lower disc is spinning counter clockwise? Does it even matter? Same effect if it spins clockwise instead?

  6. If I reversed everything, spin, magnetic polarity, HV DC, would instead of lifting up, would there be an increased downward force?

  7. As the material for the magnetic disc stated by Alexey is important (the hammered finish aluminum sheet) if using a brush (wire) connection on this material for the HV DC, the connection would not really be a nice constant connection, but because of the brush connection and the fact the material has all these lumps and bumps on it, the connection made would be very transient.. Is this important? But then again, there isn't a direct circuit, as its capacitor plates with applied DC. So no (large) currents, so maybe it doesn't matter so much. Looks like Alexey's version-3 may not have the hammered finish aluminum from the very brief views?


If anyone has any thoughts, suggestions or replies to any of those Q's, please let me know your answers..

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Gambeir, I am sorry to report that Ken's writings are the version that I have the hardest time with, and I get that it would likely be the one that Tesla would get the most...

but Tesla may not have personally used any fancy words at all. When asked what the most important discovery humans had ever made, he replied that it was the rotational magnetic field, and then went on to clarify that he was not talking about the electric motor.
I now get he was talking about making a gravity field (even if he had not figured out the link to gravity yet)
and he also had figured out how to get energy from the field, remember that patent he had with putting up large metal plates into the sky and getting electricity between them and the earth ? US685957 he had built conversions each direction, so it sure looks like he had figured out what gravity was. It is the the induced electric field made by a rotating magnetic field. And you can collect power from that field as he shows in the patent. I am sure someone reading this will point out that the voltage collectable that way changes on earth depending on other factors (distance from the great pyramid being one of them). Now this is true, and the reason is that an electrostatic field (not the same as the induced electric field at all, ( one can be shielded and one can not)) is either adding to it or subtracting from it (at least appearing to change it by changing how much energy we can collect from it by that method).

so getting back to question 7 by Sputins,
Tesla told some of his explorations of this new field/energy/whatever when he first found it. He noted that nothing can shield from it (so this tells us it is the same as we are trying to play with), but it can be reflected by shiny surfaces, did not matter if it was pained cardboard, shiny plastic, polished copper... ( he did not say what the minimum angle was required to make this work, but my guess is that the angle of what was at one point the polished stone of the great pyramid, and that would be the lowest angle to work )
so anyone going at this entire project from reading Tesla's work might think it is critical to use that shiny surface for some reason.
not to say that you will need that shiny surface to make it work, just that this might be a reason why it is there in some versions.

question 6,
from everything I have read, seems quite likely it is possible to reverse the output.
reversing everything might change the output polarity, but it might not change it at all.
seems more likely that reversing one component would be more likely to change output polarity.

as to the other questions, I would like to know as well.
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one more thing,
when looking at all the hardware told about, the MAGVID is likely the most direct. Now I am pretty sure that the information as to why it works is likely not entirely what is actually going on, but still, it has the correct components with nothing extra.
as may be noted, it is nearly not possible to get accurate sensors near the thing adn get anything useful out of them, so it might not be the best for initial research.
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forgot to say that the MAGVID PDF even says teals's method of generating this field, and says that this is an inefficient way to make it.
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So as construction begins on my version-1 (SV-1), modeled after Alexey's Version-2, certain questions float into ones mind...

So while there isn't perhaps a direct answer, here's some of those floating questions out loud:

  1. Is this thing scalable? Can I scale it down and build a tiny version; can I scale it up? - (likely the answer is yes).

  2. Is there a particular or optimal ratio of disc sizes? As I measured from the photos, Alexey's version-2 has ratio of approx 1 : 1.80 Magnetic disc to Centre disc. (If in doubt go with 1 : 1.618)

  3. Is there an optimal size for the spinning disc and actual magnets? So if I have smaller size or power magnets does the disc size also need to be smaller? - Sort of a magnetic flux density (dielectric field) to plate size (HV DC) optimal ratio?

  4. Motors-? Alexey uses some kind of largish diameter motor on the bottom of version-2 and by the looks of it, a different motor on the upper disc. The upper motor seems to be a regular brushless DC fan motor...? - This would suggest that the upper and lower spinning discs are not necessarily spinning at the same speed. (Coz they're different, even though wired together). It looks like the top disc might be spinning a little faster? - Is this important or not? (Think vortex or torsion)? In Alexey's version-3 the upper and lower motors appear to be the same?

  5. Direction of magnetic disc? - Seems in the video of version-2 the lower disc is spinning counter clockwise? Does it even matter? Same effect if it spins clockwise instead?

  6. If I reversed everything, spin, magnetic polarity, HV DC, would instead of lifting up, would there be an increased downward force?

  7. As the material for the magnetic disc stated by Alexey is important (the hammered finish aluminum sheet) if using a brush (wire) connection on this material for the HV DC, the connection would not really be a nice constant connection, but because of the brush connection and the fact the material has all these lumps and bumps on it, the connection made would be very transient.. Is this important? But then again, there isn't a direct circuit, as its capacitor plates with applied DC. So no (large) currents, so maybe it doesn't matter so much. Looks like Alexey's version-3 may not have the hammered finish aluminum from the very brief views?


If anyone has any thoughts, suggestions or replies to any of those Q's, please let me know your answers..

Cheers,
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Hello Sputins,

Am very glad to see that you have started your build!!!

As for my answers to some of your questions...

1, 2 and three you have answered them related to scale and sizes.

About Motors...yes I noticed that lower is bigger and different type...as the top is a PC FAN motor...as of why...idk...maybe lower needed more weight and torque to spin the magnets against a changing polarity paramagnetic material?...due to magnetic friction?

But related to both spinning discs - motors speed...I believe they both are pretty well balanced...and the reason is based on observing the precise time when separation from ground takes place based on response from the whole body assy...

Here if you watch the indoor video of #2 prototype...it does makes some slight turns in both directions until it stabilizes, while gaining height.

About direction of rotation...go to Diagram Video...or your image (below)...rotation is there for each disc:



Both motors turn same direction ( notice same Input polarity) BUT when facing each other's they are COUNTER.

Hope it helps...and pls keep us posted.


Regards


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Gambeir, I am sorry to report that Ken's writings are the version that I have the hardest time with, and I get that it would likely be the one that Tesla would get the most...
For me personally, what Wheeler does is to demonstrate that there is an unseen, unrecognized, energy field permeating our Universe. That energy is itself a part of another modality, but it is far more than another explanation which describes what gravity really is, and how it works, and for this reason I digress to the humanites for guidance because we all know that UFO's have peculiarities, some of which we ourselves may encounter as work progresses.

A modality being all pervasive and fundamental to cause and effect, and what Wheeler is really giving us is a technical validation of ancient knowledge common to the experience of the human condition, and it is for that reason more than just saying there is an unseen and unrecognized energy field; one which is part of another modality that creates a magnetic field.

In other words, we humans have always known that the unseen supports the seen. That understanding has permeated our sense of reality from the mythological to Plato's Allegory of the Cave. This unseen energy field is the explanation for why teleportation takes place, why psychic knowledge exists, and it is the medium through which biological life springs to life and where it goes when life ends. Our experience as humans tells us all experience is connected between all living life. As we go about building our first bottle rockets we are also dipping our toes in to a great undiscovered country.


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but Tesla may not have personally used any fancy words at all. When asked what the most important discovery humans had ever made, he replied that it was the rotational magnetic field, and then went on to clarify that he was not talking about the electric motor.
I don't know enough about Telsa but he may have been speaking about the things I've alluded to above.


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I now get he was talking about making a gravity field (even if he had not figured out the link to gravity yet)
and he also had figured out how to get energy from the field, remember that patent he had with putting up large metal plates into the sky and getting electricity between them and the earth ? US685957 he had built conversions each direction, so it sure looks like he had figured out what gravity was. It is the the induced electric field made by a rotating magnetic field. And you can collect power from that field as he shows in the patent. I am sure someone reading this will point out that the voltage collectable that way changes on earth depending on other factors (distance from the great pyramid being one of them). Now this is true, and the reason is that an electrostatic field (not the same as the induced electric field at all, ( one can be shielded and one can not)) is either adding to it or subtracting from it (at least appearing to change it by changing how much energy we can collect from it by that method).
Thanks, I wasn't aware of any of this but then I've not devoted nearly enough time to reading or studying Tesla.



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so getting back to question 7 by Sputins,
Tesla told some of his explorations of this new field/energy/whatever when he first found it. He noted that nothing can shield from it (so this tells us it is the same as we are trying to play with), but it can be reflected by shiny surfaces, did not matter if it was pained cardboard, shiny plastic, polished copper... ( he did not say what the minimum angle was required to make this work, but my guess is that the angle of what was at one point the polished stone of the great pyramid, and that would be the lowest angle to work )
so anyone going at this entire project from reading Tesla's work might think it is critical to use that shiny surface for some reason.
not to say that you will need that shiny surface to make it work, just that this might be a reason why it is there in some versions.
Again here is another validation of an unseen and unrecognized energy field. Wheeler shows us what that energy field is. Joe Parr demonstrated there is a reaction to it by forcing a pyramid/triangular shape at velocity against it by using magnets, and which we now know are magnets because of the crystalline pattern shapes the dielectric field in to a coherent field the way a ruby shapes light in to a coherent field.
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What a wonderful discovery to find on my computer screen this AM Sputins.
However....green with envy...I see you've managed to liberate some beetle scale plating. Good Job...~

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Probably others have already seen this but Alexey has this pdf in english
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Hi Gambeir,

I like Carbon Fiber and Fiberglass for main frame...

As for the differential suggestion, I do not believe it will work for this particular design...unless we want to open a huge hole on center STATIC DISC, which I see it could cause problems that at this moment I cannot explain...besides, having just one HORIZONTAL Mounted motor will bring a lot of UNBALANCED results plus lack of stability when hovering by itself.

What's wrong with two small and cheap motors connected in parallel?...I see this as the easiest way to put it together. If you notice RPM'S are really low...so not even full blast of power is required...I would short cut on motor controllers by using two small brushed motors..

The Center Static Disc I believe must be BUILT AS IS SHOWN , meaning no holes in center plus way wider in Diameter than the spinning discs.

As for the HV supply delivering between 20-30 Kv...I believe a small ignition coil would do...as I believe it is positive HV (check the lamp attached to top of small Tesla COIL...it lights up when hand grounded.

Actually building the main frame plus motor-discs assy is the part would take a bit longer.

If you notice the lower spinning disc assy is off horizontal plane related to Center Static Disc...which means this technology is not as "picky" as RC Helicopters require a super precision plus accuracy...and that's an advantage for the builders.

EDIT 1: I almost forgot about the 2 phase PC FAN MOTORS!!...They should work beautifully for this device...as the do not require heavy torque here...since they are not propelling wind...but flat and smooth discs.-

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Ya know I never noticed this post Ufopolitics. Sorry about that.

Yes, I don't want to be too critical of the build on this device, I've seen worse and it is all metal from scraps, but you're right about there being a certain leeway here.

OK, so now the issues with two motors, and here I question if there even needs to be two motors, or even two spinning plates. What do you think? Aren't we just trying to re~vector the dielectric plane from the HV field? He hasn't even got magnets on the later models upper disk. I think this is just a kind of a hold over because he doesn't yet understand what is actually taking place. Not that we are ourselves are fully clued in but I think we have some fairly solid theory about the general reason this works and how it works.

Now assuming we need two motors and I doubt this, but so long as you can keep motors in sync then that is a simpler solution, and it may be a necessary solution for a single engine model like this one. Meaning that logically we would want three of these for control at the very least. However this idea of three assumes that variations in energy to the HV field and or speed of rotation of the magnetic plate can change the motive force acting on the local area. We don't really know that just yet.

Sputin's needs to work a hell of a lot faster is what I'm saying. Specially if he is serious about winning the prize, just saying is all..
snort...

The only thing that's important here is balancing the magnetic plate. The gyroscopic forces on an out of balanced spinning plate will lead to some rude untimely demise for the motor, and you can be 100% certain that this will happen while in demonstration, and if it can kill it will choose that precise time to do so. That's how it always happen ya know. I can see the headlines already: Antigravity demonstration leads to decapitation. Inventor arrested after Flying magnet sends 5 year old to hospital; safety concerns lead to banning demonstrations. You get the idea.

This is what we call dark humor BTW. Just balance the disk as much as possible. Otherwise I'm largely in agreement with your observations.
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Probably others have already seen this but Alexey has this pdf in english
https://docviewer.yandex.ru/view/0/?...Y5OTc3NTk3MzZ9
that shows that my ideas of this being linked back to tesla and the reflecting the field by shiny surfaces to be totally not what that guy was thinking at all...
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We are dealing with the spinning magnetic field and physical rotation of plates, Alexey puts a big gap between magnets and the static disc, I guess because of the lenz drag.
He employed 6 magnets evenly spaced and same polarity; increasing the number of them in the same array diameter would tend to form a ring magnet.
I think that gap between plates could be reduced (for efficiency or maximum effect?) if the magnets were replaced by only one concentric ring magnet.
Perhaps too early for modifications, just an idea on the air.
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We are dealing with the spinning magnetic field and physical rotation of plates, Alexey puts a big gap between magnets and the static disc, I guess because of the lenz drag.
He employed 6 magnets evenly spaced and same polarity; increasing the number of them in the same array diameter would tend to form a ring magnet.
I think that gap between plates could be reduced (for efficiency or maximum effect?) if the magnets were replaced by only one concentric ring magnet.
Perhaps too early for modifications, just an idea on the air.
if you used a ring magnet you would no longer have the rotating magnetic field. The gaps in the magnets are critical.
I have thought about using a stationary ring magnet and splitting up the magnetic field to spin the magnetic field with an iron segmented disk that spins, you can spin an iron disk made of spokes way faster than any magnet could take.
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that shows that my ideas of this being linked back to tesla and the reflecting the field by shiny surfaces to be totally not what that guy was thinking at all...


I wouldn't say Alexey was following your line of thinking either, but Insects have both attributes; shiny like armor plate, studded with spikes, lumpy surfaces and hollows. Alexey has put a lot of study in to Viktor Stepanovich Grebennikov's idea's. This really seems to be have been his primary interest. His focal point seems to be on the texture and design of surfaces and there's nothing wrong with that. For example, we now realize that creating tiny vortex's or cavitation's on the skin of fish like sharks are key enabling features.

Like every other significant discovery this understanding of the skin of sharks was simply applied to a maintenance feature used to maintain the illusion of slow progress. In that case it was applied to so called high tech torpedo's, but in reality these devices were complete wastes of time, money, and energy, and there were people who understood that.

Since things like supercavitation torpedo's are all now declassified and ancient military history it should be telling everyone something. The weaponry they let us see is completely obsolete. Nothing has changed, they are still using stage props to create an illusion while keeping all real knowledge and all real technology to a select few. Even the ones they pretend are super classified are primitive obsolete devices and they know it. Take the whole entire history of the Stealth Bomber as an example. Can that have really been so high tech when compared to an ARV type of machine?

This thing Alexey created is what the powers that be like to call a disruptive technology. Disruptive to them is why it's called disruptive. Especially since it invalidates all their for profit war mongering enterprises.

The evidence we do have says the Germans had created an Alexey type machine as early as 1935. I think we can now see that was a real possibility considering what we have all managed to put together in understanding the Alexey device.
Claimed Non-Terrestrial Disc Aircraft In German Possession: The Freiburg Disc

It now seems likely to me, if not to anyone else, that jet planes were obsolete the day they were born; missiles are equally obsolete, warships are obsolete, guns are obsolete, and communications systems are also obsolete. Remember here now that the dielectric field is a super~luminal field. It's billions of times faster than the speed of light.

Everything we know has been obsolete for at least 8 decades if that photo is taken as proof, and why wouldn't you accept it as proof? It's been around for along time; before photoshop or Gimp, which people are having a field day with now, but some of these images have a long history and can be validated.

Upsetting news is about the last thing the ruling powers would like. God knows they don't want that: Who will they control? Just imagine what a gigantic huge lie and criminal construct these last eighty to ninety years have been. That's the reality as I see it.

Am I ranting again?
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We are dealing with the spinning magnetic field and physical rotation of plates, Alexey puts a big gap between magnets and the static disc, I guess because of the lenz drag.
He employed 6 magnets evenly spaced and same polarity; increasing the number of them in the same array diameter would tend to form a ring magnet.
I think that gap between plates could be reduced (for efficiency or maximum effect?) if the magnets were replaced by only one concentric ring magnet.
Perhaps too early for modifications, just an idea on the air.
I found that the reason the magnets are formed in to six points is to replicate the form of a bee hive cell. Rather interesting when you consider that Boeing has been using honeycomb composite in aircraft for a very long time. In fact it's been an industry standard for decades.

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if you used a ring magnet you would no longer have the rotating magnetic field. The gaps in the magnets are critical.
I have thought about using a stationary ring magnet and splitting up the magnetic field to spin the magnetic field with an iron segmented disk that spins, you can spin an iron disk made of spokes way faster than any magnet could take.
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I was thinking about this in terms of the ARV central disk, it is in one of my posts back in this thread somewhere.
but here it is again,
if you had iron spokes cast into an aluminum disk, it could be a homopolar generator to make the magnetic field, and the same disk would split up the magnetic field and spin it.

clearly I have not tested this, but it might only spin the magnetic field on the inside of the coil, this would leave the polarity of the output in only one direction. This is as opposed to spinning a physical magnet where you have one polarity on one side and the other polarity on the other side (so you might get some canceling going on).
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We are dealing with the spinning magnetic field and physical rotation of plates, Alexey puts a big gap between magnets and the static disc, I guess because of the lenz drag.
He employed 6 magnets evenly spaced and same polarity; increasing the number of them in the same array diameter would tend to form a ring magnet.
I think that gap between plates could be reduced (for efficiency or maximum effect?) if the magnets were replaced by only one concentric ring magnet.
Perhaps too early for modifications, just an idea on the air.
If Sputin's get's his up and hovering then we will have at least validated the thing is real. After that these messings about with the design can take place and which I'm sure will follow and that will tell us a lot more. I don't really know anything but I agree that it would seem like you would want the spinning magnetic plate closer to the HV than what he has set up. What we need to do here is to try to map this out with some drawings. I'm hoping people will try this because I'm sure I'm the least competent to do this, what with my incompetency in electrical matter, and so I hope that some of us will hazard giving a go at doing this.

The theory of how this works is straight forward. My assumption being that Ken's theory of the dielectric field (counterspace) is accurate and this machine is exploiting that understanding.
The way I see it is that the HV field is revectored such that the elecro~magnetic dielectric field of the HV is redirected with a local upwards direction but how to accomplish this best is another issue. So in thinking a little bit on this it seems like the spinning magnetic field is or might be creating a bubble like effect, just as Skywatcher was sensing and we should probably pay attention to that notion.

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Hi all, Hi gambier, very interesting stuff in this thread, thanks for sharing.

I keep hearing in my mind, 'Think Buoyancy'.
However it is doing it, if it is genuine, it probably is creating less density above it, than below it.
I notice it takes a bit of time to lift off, then creaps up when it does.
That seems like a field is being built up and when that field is built up enough, the density above and around the craft decreases and slowly pulls upward, just like would happen if we slowly injected air into a bladder under water.
In pondering this my mind is going in circles pondering the experiments of Joe Parr and shape energy, and then there's the ARV and it's shaped capacitors, along with their overlapping planes and along it's steeply cut banks. The ARV is a creation of the 1950's and what is the 1950's but the Jet Age. What if the idea behind the ARV is to use a super~cooled super magnet to blast a magnetic field through shaped crystalline forms? Could that somehow act like a dielectric jet coming out of these peculiar cuts along the outer edges? After all, a magnet is just a specific kind of material whose crystalline patterns are shaped by an electrical impulse and whose net outcome is then a magnetic field, which is in truth a coherent focused dielectric energy field taken from the surround area; that dielectric energy being the composition of counter space which is unorganized and reverberating.

Joe Parr said that these triangular shapes produced an energy bubble. A very powerful energy bubble. So powerful that they could destroy the machines he created and did. This energy came from the magnets being spun on a wheel against these triangular shapes. Now the crazy part is it didn't matter what the material was that formed the shapes. They could be made from copper, as in cut pennies, or they could be made by cut plastic triangles, it didn't matter the results were the same.

Jerry Bayles says the magnetic field is very slow moving and so re~vectoring a local area of incoherent dielectric energy using a coherent dielectric field is also a slow moving process. It's like using a hose on a pool of water to make it move and which explains why the Alexey machine is still hovering after it's disconnected: The break down or dispersal of the dielectric field isn't any more immediate that a pool of water would stop moving once the hose is taken off it; the actions of the re~fomed electrical fields magnetic dielectric plane has a lasting influence on the surrounding space because it is a coherent energy field just as laser light is a coherent light field, and that too stays intact for a long ways, which is the whole point right?



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An airplane wing needs a certain airspeed to decrease the density above the wing enough to cancel the weight of the entire plane, then the angle of attack is changed and the propulsion units accelerate climb.

Hydroplaning is similar, the water below the tire, becomes compressed, which means more dense than above and the tire can float across it at a certain threshold.

If what is called gravity is caused by density variances, then all these different levitation technologies, even though they may have different operating principles, are most likely still just creating a density variance above the craft for lift and a variance in front or back for forward or reverse propulsion.
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It's good to speculate because if we do get one up and hovering then all these ideas are like a warehouse to fall back on for experimenting.

Seems to me you would want a non~reactive material for the framing. A composite or plywood. The only other thing I can think of is that the High Voltage top might benefit from being shaped in a dome form.
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Hi gambier, i love your ranting, l love the truth and always will, forever more.

Though for sure, the enemy of humanity, which is mainly not of the flesh, does not like the truth and I say they can go jump in a lake.

Their hijacking of human beings (literally) and filling them with such fear will end.
When that time comes, I will celebrate our liberation.

I can sense the adversary within people I come near and of course our own family are main targets, especially if they cannot influence us anymore and I know for darn sure, they have no control over you anymore, praise the one creator source for that.

Keep up the good works gambier.

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I was thinking about this in terms of the ARV central disk, it is in one of my posts back in this thread somewhere.
but here it is again,
if you had iron spokes cast into an aluminum disk, it could be a homopolar generator to make the magnetic field, and the same disk would split up the magnetic field and spin it.

clearly I have not tested this, but it might only spin the magnetic field on the inside of the coil, this would leave the polarity of the output in only one direction. This is as opposed to spinning a physical magnet where you have one polarity on one side and the other polarity on the other side (so you might get some canceling going on).

There are a limited number of surviving brain cells from my more youthful days. Those who did survive are now geriatric's and pretty lazy to be honest, but then you know that already ~
Probably trying to kill me for saying you were blacklisted huh? Make my head explode or something right?

How about iron spokes cut from an I beam iron/steel with aluminum pies inserted between them and the whole could be held with an outside ring or put inside another container and epoxied down to act as a single unit. Actually you just use a wooden wheel and drill and bolt the plates and bars through the plywood wheel and that would work for experiments. Construction signs and street signs are aluminum: Just saying in case you spot a lose one that needs repaired or hauled away ~ and a bike's rim would work for an axle and containment ring. The neighbors kid is asking for it anyways so let that be a lesson to her/him whatever, leaving their bike laying around in everybody's way huh? Ok, well maybe that's not right, but there's material which will work we all have or which can be gotten from garage sales or second hand stores. Anyways we won't be needing either bikes or street signs in the future so neither will be missed in the future.

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I actually have a road sign that renters left here
it is aluminum
never thought about building anything with it before

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Hello, wanted to get a rough model of the magnetic fields in this device and had a chance to play around with vizimag today on lunch. This should be a fairly accurate representation of the cross section magnetic fields when the discs are moving without knowing the voltages and rotational speeds. Eeally need to learn cosmol. Hope it helps
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Sputin's needs to work a hell of a lot faster is what I'm saying. Specially if he is serious about winning the prize, just saying is all..
snort...

When something like this comes along, all current projects get put to the side for a while… I doubt I’ll be first to reproduce it, but if I can get it to work even at all… It will be a great day.

So I’ve decided to model mine now after Alexey’s version-3 which has two rotating discs, both with magnets…

I’ve completed building the two discs. The thin Al metal with the hammered bug-wing finish is very soft even with the best efforts to keep it flat, there is some slight wobble still, but I’m pretty happy with how the first two came out. (If it turns out that the bug finish isn’t needed, then something more robust would be better). I also need to lathe up the insulating bushes that fit the motors and attach to the spinning discs. I’m also looking at the supporting discs to mount the motors and such, with motors and other parts on order, being sent.

Turning the attention to the circuit drivers, the HV DC will be the next thing. I already have several flyback transformers, various kinds and voltages output but will probably make another driver for them. Also the on-board voltage multiplier, but I have all those parts required.

The Tesla coil, well I have that covered. But all my Tesla coils are vacuum tube driven, which may not be the best thing for this? (If a square wave primary coil feed maybe necessary). So we will see…

Motor driver will just be a simple PWM driver so run the motors at a given speed.

Not sure about what piezo ultrasonic transducer to employ and what frequency or driver is required, these generally run at 40KHz. But maybe its frequency is related to the device its self? Is it even completely necessary?

Anyway progress isn’t as fast as I would want, due to the daily routine. But it’s not real expensive to build and I have with that funny looking smile on my face...
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Used to have one myself but it got lost in the many moves to survive over these last few years.

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Naw, but I was thinking how much stuff in society will suddenly become devalued and how repurposing is going to become an art form.
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