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#361
03-29-2018, 10:09 PM
 Gambeir Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2016 Location: Peoples republic of Washington Posts: 318
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#362
03-30-2018, 01:20 AM
 spacecase0 Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2014 Posts: 216

so I am trying to see if an electrostatic field can spin the magnetic field.
mostly because I can switch an electric field way easier and with more power than I can switch a magnetic field, and an do it way faster than I can physically spin a physical magnet
so I built a rotary switch for high voltage. it is built to charge and discharge the outputs 3 times for every turn of the disk and has 18 outputs around the disk (every 20 degrees)

my first test is the rotary switch to see what change it may make,
it is a spinning capacitor after all.
the spinning parts of the metal starts at 1.5 inches from the shaft and continues out 2.75 inches away from the shaft.

my large high voltage power supply is broken, so I tested with a 6.8KV AC supply that was put into a voltage doubler. so it should be about 19KV DC

my magnetic coil is 1.56 foot in dia. it is 19 gauge wire and is 28.7 ohms for the entire coil. I put 94V DC on it. I could go figure out how strong of a magnetic field that is, but just don't feel like doing math right now. can't run it to long because that is a tad over 300W into it and it starts to get hot after a while.

not sure how fast the disk spins, it is a 12V DC motor (maybe 12-24V ?) that is 1.5 inches dia. and 2 inches long, pulls about 3A to 5A on startup of the disk. takes a couple of min. to spin down after the power is cut. (so I short it's power wires to slow it down faster)

my G force sensor is good to 0.01% of earth's gravity and did not register anything at all.
so I guess next I build the capacitors and see if that gets me any results. the disk likely got ionized and was not much of a square edge field to make things spin. the capacitors should solve that issue.
and my guess is that for this to work I will need lots more voltage. might take me a while to build a new high voltage source. I think I will build a big vandegraph machine (or however it is spelled)
but running tests that I already have parts to first.
almost forgot, before I build the capacitors, will use high voltage pulsed DC out that I have already built to try and make the expanded crystals talked about earlier in this thread.
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#363
03-30-2018, 05:28 AM
 Gambeir Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2016 Location: Peoples republic of Washington Posts: 318
Quote:
 Originally Posted by Allen Burgess Jerry's most poignant tests demonstrate that: "The field of a rotating disk magnet is independent of the motion of the magnet"; There is a latency in the magnetic field that results in the motion of the disk moving through it's own either non-moving or moving very slowly field. The important and truly amazing fact is that the magnet field continues to move after the rotating disk stops!
Allen, first off great job on bringing that post here. Thanks for doing that, and I also appreciate your analysis of the Bayles pdf.

I can't seem to post any private messages. Been trying since early AM. For a while I couldn't even get the website without a Tor browser.
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#364
03-31-2018, 11:00 PM
 Gambeir Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2016 Location: Peoples republic of Washington Posts: 318
Quote:
 Originally Posted by spacecase0 so I am trying to see if an electrostatic field can spin the magnetic field. mostly because I can switch an electric field way easier and with more power than I can switch a magnetic field, and an do it way faster than I can physically spin a physical magnet so I built a rotary switch for high voltage. it is built to charge and discharge the outputs 3 times for every turn of the disk and has 18 outputs around the disk (every 20 degrees) my first test is the rotary switch to see what change it may make, it is a spinning capacitor after all. the spinning parts of the metal starts at 1.5 inches from the shaft and continues out 2.75 inches away from the shaft. my large high voltage power supply is broken, so I tested with a 6.8KV AC supply that was put into a voltage doubler. so it should be about 19KV DC my magnetic coil is 1.56 foot in dia. it is 19 gauge wire and is 28.7 ohms for the entire coil. I put 94V DC on it. I could go figure out how strong of a magnetic field that is, but just don't feel like doing math right now. can't run it to long because that is a tad over 300W into it and it starts to get hot after a while. not sure how fast the disk spins, it is a 12V DC motor (maybe 12-24V ?) that is 1.5 inches dia. and 2 inches long, pulls about 3A to 5A on startup of the disk. takes a couple of min. to spin down after the power is cut. (so I short it's power wires to slow it down faster) my G force sensor is good to 0.01% of earth's gravity and did not register anything at all. so I guess next I build the capacitors and see if that gets me any results. the disk likely got ionized and was not much of a square edge field to make things spin. the capacitors should solve that issue. and my guess is that for this to work I will need lots more voltage. might take me a while to build a new high voltage source. I think I will build a big vandegraph machine (or however it is spelled) but running tests that I already have parts to first. almost forgot, before I build the capacitors, will use high voltage pulsed DC out that I have already built to try and make the expanded crystals talked about earlier in this thread.

Hmm...you're thinking Spacecase0: I see what you're saying and trying to do. I think it's reasonable to test for such a possible outcome.

It's evident an electrostatic field is the propelling force driving the wheel in the experiment replicated by Xavier Borg @ Blaze Labs Research.
Experiments: Experiment 10

I have a couple issues with the Mascart experiment. One is replications, and the second would be replications which give formal data, and the third would be replications which demonstrate levitation.

Supposedly this arrangement will generate an electromagnetic field, but what then is the relative output of the generated magnetic field for a given input of high voltage? If the Mascart device has any value then it's got be capable of generating a useful amount of electromagnetic flux and that's a complete unknown, or at least I've not found any data as of yet.

So at any rate, in thinking about these un~answered questions I've realized that it will take physical experiments to provide some answers, and then I also asked myself the same question you're trying answer with your experiment.
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#365
04-01-2018, 12:55 AM
 spacecase0 Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2014 Posts: 216
let me try and answer all your questions (including the ones in the PMs)
the reason I am trying this is that
Smith showed that a physical spinning item can produce measurable results.
in a previous test I have already tried to electrically switch a magnetic field, and either I did not have enough power going into it, or that is not going to work at all.
the ARV and that drone appear to spin the magnetic field with a a spinning electric field. I am not sure this is possible, but I like hints as to how it is done, and I think this is worth testing.
so how to test this on a low budget is the question...
I figured that I should get a measurable result from a physically spinning item.
so building a somewhat high speed rotary switch for high voltage might get me numbers.
it is the data from that I need. from that data I can then design out an electrically switched version that will be way faster than anything physical can spin, but building that will cost money. and the numbers from the test will tell me what to build or if I can even afford to build it at all.

so the rotary switch is a 1/4 inch thick acrylic disk about 7 inches in diameter.
the top is the high voltage, the bottom is ground.
I have a circle of metal a few inches out from the center as the input contact point as the disk spins. each side has 3 lobes sticking out to make contact with the stationary output contacts (looks kind of like the radiation symbol with a big hole in the center). found one that is pretty close
http://sticker4us.com/image/cache/da...ol-500x500.jpg
just get rid of the connecting outside lines and it is what the metal part looks like
the lobes on the top of the disk and bottom of the disk are 120 degrees out of phase (1/3 of a spin).
the stationary output contacts have brushes on each side of the disk at the same point in the spin, so an output contact is connected alternately to the high voltage and the ground 3 times each spin of the disk, charging and discharging that connection 3 times each spin.
so it is not a fantastic capacitor...
but should make a pretty good switch
every 20 degrees of spin another stationary contact is found on the outside of the disk, I plan on making the capacitors much larger than the spinning disk, so the field on the capacitors should "spin" faster than the disk can actually spin when compared to if I had just put the capacitors only on the spinning disk.

so,
if I get a measurable reading, then I will know what to build next.
if I get no reading, then I go for building a better high voltage power source. if still no result I will go back to the magnetic switched version or to spinning magnets. if that gets nothing I will go for making a much larger magnetic field like the homopolar generator that feeds back into itself (but I would have to buy parts to build that)

Van de Graaff Generators are pretty easy to make,
and the few data points I see show the ideal range is about 1.5MV to about 3MV, and a Van de Graaff Generator is about the easiest way to get that sort of voltage https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vandergraph_generator
a Wimshurst machine makes much more current, but unless it is really big, I am not going to get that kind of voltage out of one (do not use conductive segments if you build one (just use plane glass or plastic disks), the segments are not needed, mess with how much voltage they make, take time to make and install, and are only needed for it to be self starting) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wimshurst_machine
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#366
04-02-2018, 02:40 PM
 spacecase0 Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2014 Posts: 216
ways to spin the magnetic field

so I was thinking while sleeping about ways to spin the magnetic field
I am currently trying to test if an electrostatic field can spin the magnetic field. seems possible for this to work, the capacitor plates may have to be at least coated in bismuth to get the required effect.

a previous idea I had may work better, but I don't think I ever wrote it down.
a high magnetic permeability item will pull all the magnetic "field lines" to that area. so why not use a high magnetic permeability segmented disk that is physically spinning. and because that is unlikely to be conductive enough to also make a good homopolar generator, let us cast aluminum around that to make it electrically conductive.
potentially this could be a hub with steel rods going out to make a circle, and then just cast aluminum around the rods. this should be strong enough for some pretty high speeds of rotation, and conductive enough to make a homopolar generator.
strikes me as something low enough tech that tesla would have had the ability to build it. and if this is how the ARV is built, then the capacitors are only for steering control.

now there is the idea of just electrically switching on and off magnetic coils that are stationary to get the magnetic field to spin.
I already tried this one (but could have had no enough power going into it). wilbert smith refereed to trying this in reference to trying to get that to move a larger separately generated magnetic field, and he said that the 2 magnetic fields integrated and did not cause a spinning field. so I will not try to reproduce the failure.
he said you needed a weaker field force to spin the magnetic field so that it would not integrate. my assumption so far is that he tried to use an electric field next. but maybe that did not work either.
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#367
04-06-2018, 02:48 PM
 Ufopolitics Platinum Member Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: US, Florida Posts: 4,834
Getting close...

Hello to All,

You guys are getting closer every time more...but not enough to gravitate...

At least you will need to generate TWO MAGNETIC FIELD COUNTER SPINS, which will conform an INDEPENDENT GRAVITY FIELD SYSTEM from our Planet.

Like I have written in another post somewhere......there are two effects involved, the Material (Mass) and the "Virtual"(Spatial)...therefore, we could achieve counter spins first within the mass which will eventually project a spatial virtual field...now this way is too slow...some UFO's in the past show this methods...but now they have all plasma crafts, which are basically all virtual gravitational field(s)...

Say Two Fields in Attract mode Spins will enclose themselves within a "Gravitational Bubble", that depending upon their strength, they could start "levitating" or hovering gradually or abruptly according to fields strength.

Now the above method will just make our system ascend or descend from Earth Gravity...gradually or suddenly at speeds beyond our imagination...but, what about translation forward, backwards, sideways, etc??

Then We will need the "Side acting Fields"...which could be just one Field which moves around this "Gravitational Bubble"...again, mechanically or virtually and spatially...up to your knowledge in Magnetism...

Side Acting Field(s) will attract that Gravitational Bubble on the directional vector where it would be actuated...and that could be displaced 360ŗ Spherically around bubble.

To generate virtual or mass counter spinning fields...we do not need to think...that it would be "necessarily required" a solid, massive center (column?)... like a mechanical (physical) axis...it could do without it...meaning also a "virtual center"...which is "hollow" to our perceptions...

Hope this helps you all.

I really enjoy this thread Gambeir!!...and I stop every now and then to watch all your amazing info and nice images.

Kind Regards

Ufopolitics
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#368
04-06-2018, 03:47 PM
 spacecase0 Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2014 Posts: 216
thank you,
I have seen what you say years ago, and it was no longer in my mind.
and the ARV had counter rotating fields, so...
you are right, I should have them as well.
counter rotating should be pretty easy to add to what I am already building. so, I will give it a try.
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#369
04-08-2018, 10:31 PM
 Gambeir Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2016 Location: Peoples republic of Washington Posts: 318
Anyone whose interested might well follow Ufopolitics thread here.

ENLIGHTENED MAGNETISM (The Full Proof of Ken Wheeler's Theories)
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#370
04-09-2018, 02:30 AM
 Ufopolitics Platinum Member Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: US, Florida Posts: 4,834
Mechanical (Mass) Vtol...

Quote:
 Originally Posted by spacecase0 thank you, I have seen what you say years ago, and it was no longer in my mind. and the ARV had counter rotating fields, so... you are right, I should have them as well. counter rotating should be pretty easy to add to what I am already building. so, I will give it a try.
Hello Spacecase,

I am glad you will be testing that option as well!!

Like I mentioned before, when we write a "Gravitational Bubble", we all tend to imagine a bubble as a "spherical" geometry...but, if we consider -for instance- a "Toroidal Bubble"... it is still a bubble, except, since it has a hollow center, it has much more "stability" than a spherical bubble.

In reality this could be achieved by having a common cylindrical stator, which projects outwards its magnetic force, instead of inwards as most of stators we all know work...right?

Now, since I wrote and bold out the word "common" stator...is due that this stator would turn two rotors...one CW and the other CCW.

I wish I could have the time to graph all this...but I don't...

The point is that each rotor will aim its magnetic projection not only to a part of the common stator, but also to the other rotor as well.

If we apply "Asymmetrical Technology" here...we could have one rotor where all coils would be North aiming Poles Inward to Stator...as the other one could be also North to have that "counter-spin" right?

But we could also test this setup with one rotor being a South...while other North, right?...then, that space in between both rotors...what would that be?

That's right...an Accretion Disc...

And no matter how fast you spin these two counter rotors...that center stator would be very stable...as long as both rotors have same RPM's.

Hope you guys could picture all this...

Have a good night

Regards

Ufopolitics
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#371
04-10-2018, 04:07 AM
 mikrovolt Silver Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Posts: 768
A cross flow might be seen in simulation software of what might happen when two accretion disks merge and at 3:44 the energy vortices's also how an elliptical form produces various turbulence geometries when orbital paths are crossed being different from a single accretion disk alone.
Celestial bodies how they move helps to understand some of the fundamental properties that a space vehicle would encounter.

https://youtu.be/aX0U14s_nV0

At a distance
The distorted magnetic field of saturn with tail
magetic field saturn.JPG

An undistorted double torus showing bloch wall
duble_torus bloch.jpg

Close up bloch wall
A simulation inside permanent magnet.
https://youtu.be/rjnALkkUlNY

Book written Davis and Rawls 1974 page 22 the old and new concepts
http://www.rexresearch.com/davisrawl...vingSystem.pdf
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#372
04-10-2018, 10:15 AM
 bistander Gold Member Join Date: Apr 2015 Posts: 1,098

Quote:
 Originally Posted by mikrovolt Book written Davis and Rawls 1974 page 22 the old and new concepts http://www.rexresearch.com/davisrawl...vingSystem.pdf
I've seen and read that chapter before. Just did again. I consider it bad science. No supporting evidence. And since published in 1974 no credible support or adaptation from the scientific community.

It appears likely to be the source of the misuse of Bloch wall.

Also on that bar magnet diagram they show opposite spins. Mr. Ufopolitics is promoting the same spin direction. I don't believe there is macroscopic spin in the magnetic field. There is on the microscopic scale with electrons causing dipoles, but spin does not carry beyond that level.

Obviously just my opinions.

bi
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#373
04-10-2018, 07:16 PM
 mikrovolt Silver Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Posts: 768
Bistander, The reference cited shows part of the historicity of double torus.
Both scientist's work is credible, in some research facilities it is more difficult to
research the papers, the special made instrumentation are not readily available.
Things go missing. I tried here to restore a link to an old document.

It is necessary with this type of simulation to rotate the image to give visual aspect.
Saturn rotates the earth rotates. Coriolis effect shows twist and a close up of the disk is another
sharp transition to perpendicular. The B and H fields are not treated as individual vectors.
Also Bloch wall will get a lot of abuse because science is a work in progress, not perfect.

The drawing 1936 showing double torus is simply a referenced document
supported by it's biomagnetic study. Your narrative; it is bad science and likely
misuse of bloch wall theory 1932 does not concern my effort to relate concepts
of several different fields of science. Thanks for your critical opinion there are
others who can process information differently and will eventually explain this in
simple terms. Misuse of Bloch wall, progress over 86 years speaks for itself. Slow
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#374
04-14-2018, 01:15 AM
 Gambeir Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2016 Location: Peoples republic of Washington Posts: 318
I had intended to get back to my own thread today, but got side railed off in to the weeds with the plans of new world order psychopaths and the war over magnets. Guess I'll do that before I get banned from the entire site as a public nuisance. So right now I've been taking my investigation into 1950's cloaking technology. This starts off with understanding the formation of Rolling Clouds.

As you may suspect, these are rolling clouds, lot of em.

https://wordlesstech.com/spectacular-rolling-clouds/

According to the Weather Channel rolling clouds are formed when a cold front overtakes and rides over the top of a warm moist front. This diagram shows a slightly different take on the concept, but generally the gist of it is communicated. Not sure who's got this right but I suspect it's Hunter College, anyways, it's sort of like cold air ramming into warm air can create rolling clouds, which is what the folks at Hunter College say creates rolling clouds.

http://www.geography.hunter.cuny.edu...ud.diagram.jpg
Hunter College, Department of Geography

"The organisation of clouds into rows can be explained by the existence of horizontal roll vortices in the boundary layer"
Cloud Streets

If you wanted to create a rolling cloud formation shaped in to a ring, and to envelope a flying disc shape, then this system developed by MD Helicopters called Notar, or No Tail Rotor, would be a good place to start looking at when it comes to ideas for designing such a system.

Diagram showing the movement of air through the NOTAR system. MD Helicopters.

Notar Technology®

MD Helicopters Youtube Marketing Video & Explanation of the system.
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#375
04-16-2018, 10:20 PM
 spacecase0 Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2014 Posts: 216
an update on my test,
got it finished today,
seems as if my high voltage is to much without arcing over, so I only used half the output of my voltage doubler...
powered it up and felt no changes when it was running
so got out my gravity force meter,
now that thing read about 9 to 10% gravity change about a foot distance under the setup, so I got out a scale and it showed no gravity change at all.
having seen this sort of thing before I decided to grab a coil of copper wire and test its resistance, and sure enough, 35 ohms to start, turned into 25 ohms when it was running. (this does fade back up to normal with time)
so it is messing with the conductivity of the copper wire...
want to test more, but it is snowing here and I must go cover my grapes that have already leafed out.
edit:
grapes are all safe now and ran a few more tests.
the effect I saw has nothing to do with the magnetic field being on or off.
also happened to the G force sensor that was at a right angle to gravity, so it is not a directional thing,
I tried to use a time change meter I built, it has 2 identical oscillators at a distance of about 6 inches, the output of the 2 goes into an LED so I can see the rate of flash to tell if they are running at the same speed. just turned in on and it is flashing way to fast to see with eyes, so that is kind of useless right now.
and I seem to have lost my binding force meter...
seems to me that the binding force meter will be the most useful here, but with 1/3 of my sensors missing or broken, it will take me a while to figure out what is going on here.
one more clue that I find odd, when the disk is not spinning the full voltage does not arc over, when it is spinning it does arc over, and it is a larger distance than in other spots where the voltage is coming from.

the main result is that it does appear not to have the intended effect of the spinning electric field breaking up the magnetic field and spinning it, and there by changing gravity
yet there is something here to figure out what is going on.
will keep posting updates as I get time to test

edit again:
an update,
I built a binding strength meter (still can't find the old one), and I get no change out of it.
so I don't have any idea what I built is doing,
maybe it is just messing with my multimeter...
I suppose next test is to try capacitors like the electrostatic lifter or get that expanded crystal thing to work.
but it is spring time, and I am going to go work on setting up a farm, so it may take me a while to get any further on all this.
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#376
04-22-2018, 08:59 AM
 Gambeir Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2016 Location: Peoples republic of Washington Posts: 318
Making a plug here for some good folks whom are trying to rebuild their forum.
Link to a thread featuring UFO video's.
https://alienexpanse.com/index.php?t...-11#post-33004

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#377
05-03-2018, 07:45 AM
 Gambeir Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2016 Location: Peoples republic of Washington Posts: 318
I have now concluded my involvement here on Energetic Forums.
There will be no further posts by me in the immediate future here.
I want to thank Energetic Forums for hosting these posts and giving
exposure to the idea that not all UFO's are Alien Machines.
You can find me at Alien Expanse as well.
https://alienexpanse.com/index.php
Thank you.
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#378
05-03-2018, 03:26 PM
 Ufopolitics Platinum Member Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: US, Florida Posts: 4,834
Quote:
 Originally Posted by Gambeir I have now concluded my involvement here on Energetic Forums. There will be no further posts by me in the immediate future here. I want to thank Energetic Forums for hosting these posts and giving exposure to the idea that not all UFO's are Alien Machines. You can find me at Alien Expanse as well. https://alienexpanse.com/index.php Thank you.

Hello Friend,

I am honestly sad to see you go from here...

I only hope you could come by every once in a while to see what's going on...

After am done with Magnetic Field "dilemma"...and finally prove that we were all wrong...by showing true experimenting...

Then I will expose a Full Utility Patent on how to put together your own an functional EM ARV...

Delay reason is because it will show who I am...names...plus there are other EM Components which complements it...that we all need to know before understanding main patent.

I wish you the best of luck in all your future plans.

Kind Regards

Ufopolitics
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05-03-2018, 11:59 PM
 RAMSET Gold Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: NYC and Conn USA Posts: 1,329
will really miss you here

I always looked forward to your posts
The world is a much more interesting place when you show up.

respectfully
Chetkremens@gmail.com
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#380
05-05-2018, 12:20 AM
 Allen Burgess Gold Member Join Date: Sep 2011 Posts: 1,668
Gratitude

Quote:
 Originally Posted by Gambeir I have now concluded my involvement here on Energetic Forums. There will be no further posts by me in the immediate future here. I want to thank Energetic Forums for hosting these posts and giving exposure to the idea that not all UFO's are Alien Machines. You can find me at Alien Expanse as well. https://alienexpanse.com/index.php Thank you.
@Gambier,

Thanks for sponsoring one of the hottest threads in the history of the Forum. All your comments we're flawless gems.
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