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Now what's this all about?

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You and Ken continue to promote fantasy magnetism. Show us something useful you can do with it.
I don't know why this is an issue for you bistander. I, being a newbee here, do not understand the venom. I've looked at Ken Wheelers book, and I know others I communicate with have as well. The visual evidence alone shows the magnetic field is orbital in shape. All visual cues strongly suggest an orbital pattern. All other understanding logically supports the idea in my opinion.
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Hi Gambeir,

Visual "evidence", as you call it can be deceiving. I have been around and around with Ufo concerning this topic. And like you, a newbee as you say, folks read Ken's book and are impressed with Ufo's graphics may actually believe the stuff unless they study the true science and physics of magnetism. Hence I attempt to bring some reality into it. I do not want to derail this thread, so if it is of interest to you, here are a couple posts which can lead you to a thread where the topic is discussed at length.
http://www.energeticforum.com/283384-post223.html
http://www.energeticforum.com/282119-post67.html

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Hi Gambeir,

Visual "evidence", as you call it can be deceiving. I have been around and around with Ufo concerning this topic. And like you, a newbee as you say, folks read Ken's book and are impressed with Ufo's graphics may actually believe the stuff unless they study the true science and physics of magnetism. Hence I attempt to bring some reality into it. I do not want to derail this thread, so if it is of interest to you, here are a couple posts which can lead you to a thread where the topic is discussed at length.
http://www.energeticforum.com/283384-post223.html
http://www.energeticforum.com/282119-post67.html

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Thank you bistander,

Please understand that it is not my desire to be bombastic and combative. I am appreciative that you took the time to respond with useful links. I am as flawed as anyone else and what I think is logical has often proven somewhat flawed thinking. I try to keep my preaching down to a dim humm but I have a big mouth and little control over what it says. All too often I am compelled to make amends for it's crimes.

I sincerely do want others contributing here, but I want them doing so in thoughtful and considerate ways, and because the object here is that this thread serves as a reference library for myself, first, and for others whom are interested in this topic it may also or does serve as reference library to links and information. I do not want it filled with bickering or complete imbecility. I already have that area covered quite well without any assistance from others.

As our societies and lives become ever more interconnected, websites and specific threads within them are taking on roles not previously imagined, wherein they are now assuming points of reference for globally connected groups within specialized areas of interest. We need to all be aware of this fact.

Thank's again and, yes, I am looking at it.
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Hi Gambeir,

Visual "evidence", as you call it can be deceiving. I have been around and around with Ufo concerning this topic. And like you, a newbee as you say, folks read Ken's book and are impressed with Ufo's graphics may actually believe the stuff unless they study the true science and physics of magnetism. Hence I attempt to bring some reality into it. I do not want to derail this thread, so if it is of interest to you, here are a couple posts which can lead you to a thread where the topic is discussed at length.
http://www.energeticforum.com/283384-post223.html
http://www.energeticforum.com/282119-post67.html

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Hi Bistander,

Problem being that my way to show ALL this New "Evidence"...is NOT ONLY based on nice, colorful painted CAD's and Animated Graphics, but BACKED UP by real LAB testing "evidence" as well...which you lacked to "prove me wrong" with your "suggested" "Orthogonal" Lorentz Force Equation:

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I do not see spin on the CRT. Just the results of what can be fully explained by Lorentz Force Equation. That is the orthogonal relationship between the vectors of velocity (of the charge), magnetic field and force (on that charge).

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And so, the fact that you "don't see" things (DENIAL)...don't make you RIGHT in your "defense" about "your views".

But please, have in mind that...like in Law application and enforcement, the fact of IGNORANCE about certain laws, DON'T makes you EXEMPT (JUSTIFIABLE) in the event you break any of those laws you did not know about...

I showed to you THERE ARE SPINS AS DISPLACEMENTS of the FIELD by application of simple Elementary School Geometry...

But now you are playing "the blind"...

And playing blindness, won't help you at all...when time comes to see the TRUTH.

@Gambeir, please excuse this sudden interruption by Bistander on your Thread...but please understand the fact that Bistander can't resist Not to Follow me wherever I go...

As you could see, We are very "close-minded" with same views ...

The fact, the bottom line here being...that if we do not FULLY understand Magnetism...we will never have Flying Saucers by Antigravity...NOR Free Energy.

It is very obvious we DON'T...otherwise we will have ALL THAT...and then some...HERE and NOW!


INSTEAD, we are ALL "flying", "sailing", "running" and being energized Thanks to the Farting Machines Legacy...


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Deflection vs spin

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Hi Bistander,

Problem being that my way to show ALL this New "Evidence"...is NOT ONLY based on nice, colorful painted CAD's and Animated Graphics, but BACKED UP by real LAB testing "evidence" as well...which you lacked to "prove me wrong" with your "suggested" "Orthogonal" Lorentz Force Equation:



And so, the fact that you "don't see" things (DENIAL)...don't make you RIGHT in your "defense" about "your views".

But please, have in mind that...like in Law application and enforcement, the fact of IGNORANCE about certain laws, DON'T makes you EXEMPT (JUSTIFIABLE) in the event you break any of those laws you did not know about...

I showed to you THERE ARE SPINS AS DISPLACEMENTS of the FIELD by application of simple Elementary School Geometry...

But now you are playing "the blind"...

And playing blindness, won't help you at all...when time comes to see the TRUTH.

@Gambeir, please excuse this sudden interruption by Bistander on your Thread...but please understand the fact that Bistander can't resist Not to Follow me wherever I go...

As you could see, We are very "close-minded" with same views ...

The fact, the bottom line here being...that if we do not FULLY understand Magnetism...we will never have Flying Saucers by Antigravity...NOR Free Energy.

It is very obvious we DON'T...otherwise we will have ALL THAT...and then some...HERE and NOW!


INSTEAD, we are ALL "flying", "sailing", "running" and being energized Thanks to the Farting Machines Legacy...


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Hi Ufo,

I can't do the excellent job that this educator does. So please watch this short lesson. Note spin is absent.



https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=RqSode4HZrE

Just as I said here.

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But of course, Sir.

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I can't do the excellent job that this educator does. So please watch this short lesson. Note spin is absent.



https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=RqSode4HZrE

Just as I said here.

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Hi Bistander,

Well, if you have shown this video to ME, as a "proof" of Lorentz...it simply means you have NOT FULLY WATCHED my whole video below:



Which was uploaded last year (2017) April 9th...

On FIRST PART of that video, I go over EXACTLY, about the WHOLE content of what is shown on your "proof"...but, like I wrote before...that was just an INTRO...to the whole 27:10 Minute Video I uploaded.

And yes, I ALSO DO NOT SEE A SPIN on your video, nor on my Intro...

BUT...and HOWEVER...

Like the Teacher shows on your example video, whenever he approaches magnet (no matter which polarization) FACING E-BEAM, there is NO DEFLECTION AT ALL.

Now, the explanation he gives, is that Forces CANCEL OUT, because of being of opposed Vectors, and up to a point, I also could agree with that explanation...

BUT NOW, PLEASE, SHARPEN YOUR UNDERSTANDING, 'cause you WILL DO need it working 100%.

When we have a RASTERED, HORIZONTAL SCANLINE (or it could be Vertical as well, just as reference for all, I used Horizontal Planes.) We then show a CLEAR SPIN.

Let's suppose that face to face, perfectly aligned opposed vectors Cancel Out...

But then, what about NOT AT EXTREMES ENDS OF SCANLINE, but at certain and EQUAL DISTANCES, (and here this distance varies EXACTLY AND ACCORDING TO MAGNET STRENGTH, fact I also show on that same video) we can clearly notice TWO OPPOSED AND EQUIDISTANT FORCES FROM THAT CENTER.

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NORTH SPIN SEEN ON CRT SCOPE


SOUTH SPIN SEEN ON THE SAME CRT SCOPE SCREEN

Why, when we approach a NORTH POLE...we have a DIFFERENT SPIN (OPPOSITE) as when we approach a SOUTH POLE??!!

I noticed, your teacher, does not specify polarization type, (He just refer to as "other side of magnet"...and to me, even though each pole is defined by N-S letters, that's not enough and deep explanation) whenever we see different and opposite deflections of just the beam...maybe he would not be able to explain POLE DIFFERENT DEFLECTIONS (OPPOSITE) between N-S without the SPIN THEORY?

So...Could You EXPLAIN IT, without a Spin, please?

Below I have shown a SPIN, a Rotation using Elementary (2D) Geometrical Explanations...

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And so, like I have shown further on my CRT Thread...if we grab BOTH RESULTS ABOVE, then set them in 3D Geometry...what do we have?

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Even though, I have shown on my above quoted post, that a NORTH SPIN is COMPLETELY OF OPPOSITE NATURE to a SOUTH SPIN ...

When we get TWO of this CRT SCOPES, and set them according to below CAD DIAGRAM, meaning FACE TO FACE with the FIELD IN CENTER:



It is ONLY then, when we realize that BOTH SPINS AGREE ON SAME ROTATIONAL DIRECTION, from BOTH POLARIZATIONS...NORTH AND SOUTH.
Further on...I show, NOT my "Beautiful Paintings"...BUT the "Real Mc Coy":

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And NOW, ...IN AN ACTUAL TEST, with Two CRT's showing exactly SAME DIRECTIONAL SPIN as seen on previous CAD Diagram...:



Therefore, this is NOT, just about Diagrams and CAD Images...BUT THE REAL DEAL.
Finally, If you would like, and because of the respect to this thread and his owner, we could move all this debate to my CRT Thread...

And honestly, Bistander, I wish you could provide enough and real full proof evidence which proves I am DEAD wrong...but, sorry to tell you that ALL your attempts-so far- have not worked out.

Regards

And Gambeir, I owe you an apology here, and I would move (delete) posts out of here if you wish, as I know Bistander will do as well.


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There's no need to delete anything. Indeed perhaps you both need a ruthless judge. Considering my Germanic nature one would be hard pressed to find a more critical and harsher judge to ply your cases before, but be forewarned, the punishments can be severe. It is the Germanic way after all.



The problem for me is that I can imagine many things, and since I can imagine many things, I can also imagine many outcomes and alternatives to almost any proposed explanation.

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For me the issue is not so much what the magnetic fields behavior is, rather the issue before us really is a question; what is it composed of? Once the fingerprints are matched to a photograph the creatures true self will be exposed.

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I have been planning out the math from the tests that smith did,
what do I need to build in order to test this idea ?
what gets me is the idea that this thing needs started.
or at least that is what the math is showing
this thing device needs quite a bit of energy to run while doing nothing
so the idea of idling is likely an issue,
the original information says that there are counter rotating fields
so, the test shows that rotation sets the direction of gravity.
now this thing is not zipping off at light speed all the time.
it needs an idle mode
this is why it needs counter rotating fields
if you want this thing to actually move, you have to have one direction of spin more intense than the other
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Like the Teacher shows on your example video, whenever he approaches magnet (no matter which polarization) FACING E-BEAM, there is NO DEFLECTION AT ALL.

Now, the explanation he gives, is that Forces CANCEL OUT, because of being of opposed Vectors, and up to a point, I also could agree with that explanation...

...

When we have a RASTERED, HORIZONTAL SCANLINE (or it could be Vertical as well, just as reference for all, I used Horizontal Planes.) We then show a CLEAR SPIN.

Let's suppose that face to face, perfectly aligned opposed vectors Cancel Out...

But then, what about NOT AT EXTREMES ENDS OF SCANLINE, but at certain and EQUAL DISTANCES, (and here this distance varies EXACTLY AND ACCORDING TO MAGNET STRENGTH, fact I also show on that same video) we can clearly notice TWO OPPOSED AND EQUIDISTANT FORCES FROM THAT CENTER.



Why, when we approach a NORTH POLE...we have a DIFFERENT SPIN (OPPOSITE) as when we approach a SOUTH POLE??!!
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Hi Ufo,

Here is a graphic attempt from me:



So this is a view from above with the CRT on the left and a bar magnet approaching it from the right. The magnetic field is represented by the field lines (lines of force or lines of flux) going through the magnet and then spreading and looping around in space outside of the magnet entering the magnet through the end opposite where they exited converging where they originated. The electron beam is represented by the curved line inside the CRT above the centerline in the image which would be to the right hand side if we viewed the screen of the CRT. The beam would be sweeping left to right to produce the horizontal scan line on the screen.

As the magnet is moved closer to the screen, the field lines will intersect with the beam. This will occur at all positions as the beam sweeps left to right or right to left. At each intersection of a force line and the beam will be an interaction between the magnetic field (B) vector and the moving charge in the beam (eV), velocity vector. The B vector direction will be tangent to the flux line at the intersection point. The interaction will be a Lorentz force equal to the vector cross product of B and eV. The direction of this force vector will displace the beam (as viewed looking at the screen) up on one side of the center point and down on the other side of the center. The horizontal scan line will appear to rise on one side and lower on the other. It will cross the center point because there is no intersection of a flux line with the beam. They are parallel as Dr. Denardo says. So the angle between B and V is zero, therefore the sin Θ = 0 and F = 0, no deflection of the centered beam, as his experiment (demonstration) shows.

If you were to flip the magnet 180º, then the B vector would be in the opposite direction and the deflection of the beam would be opposite. Note that the diagram of the magnetic field would appear the same.

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Like the Teacher shows on your example video, whenever he approaches magnet (no matter which polarization) FACING E-BEAM, there is NO DEFLECTION AT ALL.

Now, the explanation he gives, is that Forces CANCEL OUT, because of being of opposed Vectors, and up to a point, I also could agree with that explanation...
He never says "forces cancel out". He says there is no force on the centered beam when approached by the magnet straight on. I explained this above.

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But then, what about NOT AT EXTREMES ENDS OF SCANLINE, but at certain and EQUAL DISTANCES, (and here this distance varies EXACTLY AND ACCORDING TO MAGNET STRENGTH, fact I also show on that same video) we can clearly notice TWO OPPOSED AND EQUIDISTANT FORCES FROM THAT CENTER.

Why, when we approach a NORTH POLE...we have a DIFFERENT SPIN (OPPOSITE) as when we approach a SOUTH POLE??!!
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So...Could You EXPLAIN IT, without a Spin, please?
When you approach with the opposite end of the magnet, the B vector is the opposite direction, so the force vector reflects that and the displacement is opposite.

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I noticed, your teacher, does not specify polarization type, (He just refer to as "other side of magnet"...and to me, even though each pole is defined by N-S letters, that's not enough and deep explanation) whenever we see different and opposite deflections of just the beam...maybe he would not be able to explain POLE DIFFERENT DEFLECTIONS (OPPOSITE) between N-S without the SPIN THEORY?
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When you work with the flux in terms of the field vector B, N and S are cumbersome and not often used. I do note the you can see the letter N on the red painted end of his magnet.

He explained the different deflections clearly using the right hand rule.

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Hi Ufo,

Here is a graphic attempt from me:



So this is a view from above with the CRT on the left and a bar magnet approaching it from the right. The magnetic field is represented by the field lines (lines of force or lines of flux) going through the magnet and then spreading and looping around in space outside of the magnet entering the magnet through the end opposite where they exited converging where they originated. The electron beam is represented by the curved line inside the CRT above the centerline in the image which would be to the right hand side if we viewed the screen of the CRT. The beam would be sweeping left to right to produce the horizontal scan line on the screen.

As the magnet is moved closer to the screen, the field lines will intersect with the beam. This will occur at all positions as the beam sweeps left to right or right to left. At each intersection of a force line and the beam will be an interaction between the magnetic field (B) vector and the moving charge in the beam (eV), velocity vector. The B vector direction will be tangent to the flux line at the intersection point. The interaction will be a Lorentz force equal to the vector cross product of B and eV. The direction of this force vector will displace the beam (as viewed looking at the screen) up on one side of the center point and down on the other side of the center. The horizontal scan line will appear to rise on one side and lower on the other. It will cross the center point because there is no intersection of a flux line with the beam. They are parallel as Dr. Denardo says. So the angle between B and V is zero, therefore the sin Θ = 0 and F = 0, no deflection of the centered beam, as his experiment (demonstration) shows.

If you were to flip the magnet 180º, then the B vector would be in the opposite direction and the deflection of the beam would be opposite. Note that the diagram of the magnetic field would appear the same.



He never says "forces cancel out". He says there is no force on the centered beam when approached by the magnet straight on. I explained this above.



When you approach with the opposite end of the magnet, the B vector is the opposite direction, so the force vector reflects that and the displacement is opposite.



When you work with the flux in terms of the field vector B, N and S are cumbersome and not often used. I do note the you can see the letter N on the red painted end of his magnet.

He explained the different deflections clearly using the right hand rule.

Regards,

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Hello Bistander,

Not good, not solid explanation on your image (btw, pretty good, but not showing your vectors)

I will still ask you a simple question related to your image:

If you throw a symmetric line (axis) along magnet body which is parallel to beam center of screen, then, according to the "one way" B-Field Vector theory, this flux is supposed to expand in a 3D Volume ( as shown on your image) meaning, not only to the Right side of magnet axis, BUT ALSO to left side....No?
So..then why is it deflecting beam ONLY to Right of axis?
But, as was shown by your teacher...when magnet is approached this way, there is no deflection of beam , however, you show a right of screen deflect...is it a trick Bistander?

Anyways, way I see it...and according to B Field theory, there are 2 forces pulling away beam (diverging) to right-left, equal forces, so nothing happens, beam remains at center.

Now, let me tell you, I have done this frontal approach to single beam (not rastered horizontal line)....and there is a point depending on shortest distance...that beam is "forced" to start a very short and fast SMALL circular spin...And of course it does it to either N-S...EXCEPT spins are opposite like I have previously shown.

If you have the CRT then you could do this simple test.
Now, you must approach magnet very slow, seeking for the right distance where beam starts to do partial spins on a very small circle...and always keeping magnet very well centered aligned to beam.
Distance where beam brakes into spin depends upon magnet size and strength.

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I will still ask you a simple question related to your image:

If you throw a symmetric line (axis) along magnet body which is parallel to beam center of screen, then, according to the "one way" B-Field Vector theory, this flux is supposed to expand in a 3D Volume ( as shown on your image) meaning, not only to the Right side of magnet axis, BUT ALSO to left side....No?
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The flux lines go both left and right of center as shown.


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So..then why is it deflecting beam ONLY to Right of axis?
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What I show is a snapshot in time. I stated that the beam is sweeping right to left or left to right to make the horizontal trace on the screen. And I discuss the case where the beam is left of center. The left /right angles of the beam are due to the controls of the CRT, not the external field of the magnet in front of the screen.

My example was intended to explain the effects on the horizontal scan/trace as you asked in the post I to which I replied. Prof Denardo fully explains the deflection of the non-moving beam making a single point contact on the screen.

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Anyways, way I see it...and according to B Field theory, there are 2 forces pulling away beam (diverging) to right-left, equal forces, so nothing happens, beam remains at center.
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Please tell me what 2 forces and what B Field theory.

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What is the magnetic field composed of? Sorry. I do not have that answer. Here is some information concerning how we represent it.

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  • The magnetic field direction is the same direction a compass needle points, which is tangent to the magnetic field line at any given point.
  • The strength of the B-field is inversely proportional to the distance between field lines. It is exactly proportional to the number of lines per unit area perpendicular to the lines.
  • A magnetic field line can never cross another field line. The magnetic field is unique at every point in space.
  • Magnetic field lines are continuous and unbroken, forming closed loops. Magnetic field lines are defined to begin on the north pole of a magnet and terminate on the south pole.*
Key Terms
  • B-field: A synonym for the magnetic field.
  • magnetic field lines: A graphical representation of the magnitude and the direction of a magnetic field.
https://courses.lumenlearning.com/bo...gnetic-fields/

*I copied these points as they appear on the website. I take issue with this last bullet. The last sentence contradicts the previous sentence. How can field line be continuous and unbroken if it starts on the N pole and ends on the S pole. So I would alter that sentence to this:
External magnetic field lines are defined to begin on the north pole of a magnet and terminate on the south pole.

Confusion from the use of N & S poles and an example of why I prefer not to use that designation.

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The flux lines go both left and right of center as shown.




What I show is a snapshot in time. I stated that the beam is sweeping right to left or left to right to make the horizontal trace on the screen. And I discuss the case where the beam is left of center. The left /right angles of the beam are due to the controls of the CRT, not the external field of the magnet in front of the screen.

My example was intended to explain the effects on the horizontal scan/trace as you asked in the post I to which I replied. Prof Denardo fully explains the deflection of the non-moving beam making a single point contact on the screen.

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Yes, Bistander, but putting magnet there with flux lines is doing nothing but create confusion.
If you intended to show a snapshot, then that means it is running a horizontal line based on CRT CONTROLS and not due to mag influence nor flux lines.
Btw, Beam runs in one position from center to right...and in pole reversal of CRT controls or second run from center to left...that's how it works...where center is the zero influence from controls or neutral.

Now you mentioned "top view" on your img...and frontal-centered poles produce a vertical deflection..so can NOT see it in top view...even with your snapshot.

Have in mind that angle of deflection to produce horizontal line is around 30 deg from a center-neutral bisector.
And so Denardo shows magnet-beam at 90 degrees...that is NOT same as what we see on scanline.


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And so Denardo shows magnet-beam at 90 degrees...
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Thanks.



What is the magnetic field composed of? Sorry. I do not have that answer. Here is some information concerning how we represent it.



https://courses.lumenlearning.com/bo...gnetic-fields/

*I copied these points as they appear on the website. I take issue with this last bullet. The last sentence contradicts the previous sentence. How can field line be continuous and unbroken if it starts on the N pole and ends on the S pole. So I would alter that sentence to this:
External magnetic field lines are defined to begin on the north pole of a magnet and terminate on the south pole.

Confusion from the use of N & S poles and an example of why I prefer not to use that designation.

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Bistander, the way I understand Classic Theory., field lines are continuous circular (elliptical) paths meaning in space they flow "one way only" from N to S, then within magnet or core they loop back to N.
They MUST LOOP BACK, otherwise would have to be "reset-renewed" at every cycle...and I don't think so for any theory.
I do like poles, they show different spins on CRT, which get conciliated in 3D view, showing a single directional rotational angle.

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Magnet and beam positioning, angle related or parallel in face to face.
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Please tell me what 2 forces and what B Field theory.

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Sorry, meant flux directions on your ing.
B Field or magnetic field vector one way N to S.
Classic Theory

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@ UFO & Bistander, discuss the thread topic.

@ The rest,
Stan Deyo (and I can’t really say any of his info is 100% valid) but he mentions one principal of (Magneto Hydro Dynamic) MHD fluid. (I’ll have to find the links to the clips I mean).

The so called Nazi Bell was also meant to have some kind of a conductive fluid in its construction, some kind of mercury-alloy or similar conductive fluid.

The ARV video shows a central cylinder with counter rotating parts. I think the flat rotating disk is like a large Faraday or homopolar generator as the video mentions.

I think the faraday generator creates the massive magnetic currents needed to drive the MHD fluid within the central cylinder. When you pass a large current through a conductive fluid and within a magnetic field it spins. - A MHD fluid spins, but it actually has counter rotating spin. The inner part will turn one way and the outer parts the opposite direction. There may be developed a third and fourth counter rotating parts or shells, as seen on the north pole of the planet Saturn…

Just speculating, I think there must be some kind of interaction between the counter-rotating components (magnetic currents) formed within central cylinder, which creates its own “field of influence” - (A charge of sorts that alters the nucleus position within each atom within its field of influence). - The lower part, the capacitive (discharge) segments provide either an electrical / magnetic distortion or some other kind of interaction with the counter rotating currents created “field of influence” in order to direct the created field, thus the craft and its occupants one way or another.
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Once you mess with a crt using a magnet you alter the sensitive dynamics,
the phosphor, the deflection plates, electrostatic fields change, the scanning goes wacko and requires degaussing.
Some crt's will degauss when you power it up.

It is interesting and has merit for strangeness behavior that ions have
with magnets. The four deflection plates might be disconnected and see
what effect it has. Using either raster or vector mode. It is just a difficult project.
it is not complete yet UFO but you might get there and that would really be something.

Mario Bros game
https://youtu.be/EOyKuQf36TI

I remember olive oil on microscope slide prepared this way.
I recall the natural living Magnetotactic bacteria was very interesting.
https://youtu.be/x8zEWJzglN0

I do appreciate experiments with vortex/ here a rodin ferro fluid experiment.
things to look for. how many cones, how big, where do they point, the shiny
spherical shapes. hole in the center like helical coil unlike most torus.
it is only matter of time before we understand flux enough to do more crazy things.
This experiment is not complete but it is also getting there.
https://youtu.be/Q4YgCy0EWKs
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Once you mess with a crt using a magnet you alter the sensitive dynamics,
the phosphor, the deflection plates, electrostatic fields change, the scanning goes wacko and requires degaussing.
Some crt's will degauss when you power it up.

It is interesting and has merit for strangeness behavior that ions have
with magnets. The four deflection plates might be disconnected and see
what effect it has. Using either raster or vector mode. It is just a difficult project.
it is not complete yet UFO but you might get there and that would really be something.

Mario Bros game
https://youtu.be/EOyKuQf36TI

I remember olive oil on microscope slide prepared this way.
I recall the natural living Magnetotactic bacteria was very interesting.
https://youtu.be/x8zEWJzglN0

I do appreciate experiments with vortex/ here a rodin ferro fluid experiment.
things to look for. how many cones, how big, where do they point, the shiny
spherical shapes. hole in the center like helical coil unlike most torus.
it is only matter of time before we understand flux enough to do more crazy things.
This experiment is not complete but it is also getting there.
https://youtu.be/Q4YgCy0EWKs

Mikrovolt,

The CRT'S am using (all) are not Electric Field deflected(driven) but Magnetic Field (coils)

So, no deflect plates but coils...

What am creating is a PLANE which projects on screen as a flat, horizontal line...so, no full screen, no 3 guns RGB....no messing sensitive dynamics, etc..Therefore, no need to degauss.

This plane gets twisted (torsion) by outer field being tested, influences...

Not much really to its technical operation ...however, reveals its 3D geometries...PLUS Dynamics.

In my list to experiment is an Electric Field driven CRT...nut they are not easy to find... the contrary to a 12v B&W TV...they are still around.


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Dear fellow forum members, thank you all for keeping this thread active whilst I'm engaged right now in a constructive effort with John R Iwaszko. Mr. Iwaszko is corresponding with me on this topic. I would like to say it's a combined effort, which John insists it is, but ....well who am I anyways, I do what I can without causing too many problems is about the size of it. I believe Mr. Iwaszko is the leading expert on the topic of anti-gravity because his work has been demonstrated with empirical testing, producing physical proofs, and which we can see and replicate ourselves.
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I am indebted to a great mind. Please continue the debate, for regardless of what manifests as truth, whatever the outcome, there is little doubt that it will not be without purpose or use. Even things which later prove false or incorrect still have value.

I think that the principle of operation behind this machine and others is deceptively simple but complex in execution. I also feel or sense that the fundamentals are in this thread. They are inside the posts which have been made by myself and by others, and without which I would not be able to say all the information is here right now, but I believe it is all here now.

It takes a liberated mind to see what is before us and it has been my personal experience that long stretches of free time, employed or not, tend to create an ethos of liberated thinking. Abraham Lincoln actually gave a speech about mind control citing the entertainment industry and mass media which he believed was being funded by external sources, and which creates a form of mind control by filtering our thought and ideas through the information provided by mass propaganda. Now of course Lincoln didn't use those words of course, but nevertheless that's what he was talking about.

So the idea is we are not seeing what is in front of us. Most of us are working off information provided to us. We need to discount that information which is intentionally placed because it is used to corral our thinking and thus our ideas.

Breaking out of the mental prisons isn't something that takes place the moment you say I'm inside a mental prison. It takes a long time to begin to see where you're ideas are coming into conflict with the manufactured reality, and my experience is that independence brought on by self employment or unenjoyment can produce those conflicts. Once these take hold you begin to dismiss a lot of things and it snowballs.

I've been through extended periods of freedom myself a couple times in my own life. Some self imposed and others not. Honestly it seems like it takes at least three years before you're really beginning to have dangerous alternative thinking. My first real experience with that was using my savings to do something I wanted since I was a child and I took five years off to do that. I would have continued but ran out of money: Poor planning I know, but bank robbery and drug dealing are not my vocation so I was forced to rejoin conventional society.

My point here is that there's a lot of intelligent people here, but that can only carry you so far: So much of our own thinking is working against success, and so no one should ever feel like a fool just because they later may be proven wrong. The system works to lead you into dead ends so that it can provide the next answer, and which is intended to keep you corralled by believing it was your fault for not believing what you're told. You know this is true because there's "Flying Triangles and Black Holes on My Fridge."
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This means they have the answer and what is going on is that primitive and early machines like the one suggested in the McCandlish illustration are now greatly evolved and will be explained with the new science of quantum electrodynamics. Again, you must obey. Understand?

I'm still unconvinced that the entire field of quantum particles isn't a criminally designed construct, employing key parts of otherwise understood interactions coming down to us through past theories but whose knowledge isn't described as conventional science, but I'm just some clown scribbling away: So if there is a fool, well it's me on all accounts.
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I'm beginning to think that the debate about whether or not a magnetic flux is rotating is one of semantics.

We can see the magnetic fields overall pattern in 3 dimensions: For the field to exist, to have shape and form, then it must move to create that form. The form suggests flow and the material itself suggests superfluidity which is known to freely move up walls and through nearly any substance. Everything about the nature of the magnetic field shows that it is exhibiting superfluid like behavior.

Logic says that the magnetic field flows much like a liquid because it's intensity can be regulated as a product of the crystalline patterns and alignments of the molecular structure of magnetic materials. An analogy would be a series of valves which control the rate of flow.

When these connections are not correct then no magnetic field exists, when they become increasing aligned, then greater and greater field strength manifests. Again, suggesting that the magnetic flux has superfluidity specific to geometrical arrangements. The cross correlation would be that of how an electric charge is generated when a conductor moves through a magnetic flux. Whereas here, the superfluidity of the magnetic field is moving through geometrical patterns. Understand~?

A comparative relationship between the interaction which takes place between the geometrical arrangements of crystalline formations within substances, and the subsequent outcome magnetically, could be compared to what takes place when a conductor moves through a magnetic field, and or less well thought; when a magnetic field moves or passes across or near a conductor, and wherein the end result is a product. In other words, a net product is the result of interactions with correlations to the geometry of intersecting energies at right angles.

Just as a conductor can move through a magnetic field, so too can a magnetic object mover over a conductor. A substance must move through and along the lines which define the inner molecular structure of matter in order for the magnetic field to be produced. What isn't required is the input of electrical energy. The magnetic field is not a byproduct of electrical charges, proven by the flows from the organized geometry of crystalline formations which are found in magnets: Suggesting that magnetism is produced from space itself which is all around us, and this space is therefore superfluid, and that this fluid follows laws which are similar to existing laws defining the production of electromagnetism.
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@ UFO & Bistander, discuss the thread topic.

@ The rest,
Stan Deyo (and I can’t really say any of his info is 100% valid) but he mentions one principal of (Magneto Hydro Dynamic) MHD fluid. (I’ll have to find the links to the clips I mean).

The so called Nazi Bell was also meant to have some kind of a conductive fluid in its construction, some kind of mercury-alloy or similar conductive fluid.

The ARV video shows a central cylinder with counter rotating parts. I think the flat rotating disk is like a large Faraday or homopolar generator as the video mentions.

I think the faraday generator creates the massive magnetic currents needed to drive the MHD fluid within the central cylinder. When you pass a large current through a conductive fluid and within a magnetic field it spins. - A MHD fluid spins, but it actually has counter rotating spin. The inner part will turn one way and the outer parts the opposite direction. There may be developed a third and fourth counter rotating parts or shells, as seen on the north pole of the planet Saturn…

Just speculating, I think there must be some kind of interaction between the counter-rotating components (magnetic currents) formed within central cylinder, which creates its own “field of influence” - (A charge of sorts that alters the nucleus position within each atom within its field of influence). - The lower part, the capacitive (discharge) segments provide either an electrical / magnetic distortion or some other kind of interaction with the counter rotating currents created “field of influence” in order to direct the created field, thus the craft and its occupants one way or another.
Well imagine you have no idea how a jet motor works, yet your the head of army air intelligence and you've just gotten some gun camera images of an airplane without propellers zipping by mustangs, B-17's, and B-24 Liberators.

Your job is to brief the President and Joint Chiefs what the enemy is using for power and everyone is clueless. Your only clues come from informants whom have risked life and limb to eke out that the machine is using air pushed out the backsides of tubes attached to the wings.

That's about as much information as we have when looking at the ARV illustration. Mr. McCandlish has provided all he knows and has since acquired freely.

Really though the analogy isn't even close because jet motors had been known in various forms, so there was never any doubt about what was driving a Messerschmitt 262, nor a Messerschmitt 163 rocket powered interceptor.

The allies didn't grock swept wing technology, a critical element since aircraft were already beginning to encounter compressibility, and this was evidenced by their continued failure to comprehend the importance of this feature in high speed aircraft design for a significant amount of time after the fall of the Third Reich. It wasn't until much later that the full realization of what was involved was realized in this area.

Thus there were two critical elements to the technology, jet and rocket motors, and swept wing technology. The Germans, lacking high speed wind tunnels, adapted by employing test models (carved wooden models) towed in a pool of water.

We are going to have be creative.
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Well imagine you have no idea how a jet motor works, yet your the head of army air intelligence and you've just gotten some gun camera images of an airplane without propellers zipping by mustangs, B-17's, and B-24 Liberators.

Your job is to brief the President and Joint Chiefs what the enemy is using for power and everyone is clueless. Your only clues come from informants whom have risked life and limb to eke out that the machine is using air pushed out the backsides of tubes attached to the wings.

That's about as much information as we have when looking at the ARV illustration. Mr. McCandlish has provided all he knows and has since acquired freely.

Really though the analogy isn't even close because jet motors had been known in various forms, so there was never any doubt about what was driving a Messerschmitt 262, nor a Messerschmitt 163 rocket powered interceptor.

The allies didn't grock swept wing technology, a critical element since aircraft were already beginning to encounter compressibility, and this was evidenced by their continued failure to comprehend the importance of this feature in high speed aircraft design for a significant amount of time after the fall of the Third Reich. It wasn't until much later that the full realization of what was involved was realized in this area.

Thus there were two critical elements to the technology, jet and rocket motors, and swept wing technology. The Germans, lacking high speed wind tunnels, adapted by employing test models (carved wooden models) towed in a pool of water.

We are going to have be creative.
I wonder who the equivalent of the Wright Brothers were? Who discovered the underling principal of physics and operation or the ARV? - Perhaps no human, as it is said the technology was a gift of exchange? The “A” in ARV? – Or perhaps N.Tesla helped to discover the working principal or some other unknown team of German engineers?

So yes, to understand the underling principal of operation, creativity, improvisation and the possibility of letting go of certain established ideas of instituted physics is required.

It has also been noted that for certain reasons these craft are not made with the concepts of the standard airplane. The frames are not necessarily made from light-weight materials, but rather a more heavy a duty construction, like submarine hulls and the Bell was meant to be made partly of concrete.

Here we have Joe. - A man that knows nothing about physics as it’s taught in school and he invented the JoeCell which enabled a car engine to run on the principal of “condensed rain”. Via the use of a water-cell-capacitor-like device, with unknown electrics and Joe’s methods of alchemy… - the device was said to “strip electrons off” of the metallic structure of the vehicle itself. - The device, the water gas, the field or the electric charge from it, changed the magnetic interaction of the vehicle upon the Earth. In some instances the occupants said there was a sense of inertia dampening around corners and in rare cases vehicles were said to have levitated off the ground slightly.

– A very strange and somewhat unbelievable account, but it is ONE reported account of a heavy vehicle like a car or tractor levitating on planet earth, due to the influence of some added technology.

Joe on the Levitating Car:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pv-yEX_QPBw

It’s hardly an answer as to how the ARV works, but yet again looking for and collecting clues, it is another puzzle piece…
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I wonder who the equivalent of the Wright Brothers were? Who discovered the underling principal of physics and operation or the ARV? - Perhaps no human, as it is said the technology was a gift of exchange? The “A” in ARV? – Or perhaps N.Tesla helped to discover the working principal or some other unknown team of German engineers?

So yes, to understand the underling principal of operation, creativity, improvisation and the possibility of letting go of certain established ideas of instituted physics is required.

It has also been noted that for certain reasons these craft are not made with the concepts of the standard airplane. The frames are not necessarily made from light-weight materials, but rather a more heavy a duty construction, like submarine hulls and the Bell was meant to be made partly of concrete.

Here we have Joe. - A man that knows nothing about physics as it’s taught in school and he invented the JoeCell which enabled a car engine to run on the principal of “condensed rain”. Via the use of a water-cell-capacitor-like device, with unknown electrics and Joe’s methods of alchemy… - the device was said to “strip electrons off” of the metallic structure of the vehicle itself. - The device, the water gas, the field or the electric charge from it, changed the magnetic interaction of the vehicle upon the Earth. In some instances the occupants said there was a sense of inertia dampening around corners and in rare cases vehicles were said to have levitated off the ground slightly.

– A very strange and somewhat unbelievable account, but it is ONE reported account of a heavy vehicle like a car or tractor levitating on planet earth, due to the influence of some added technology.

Joe on the Levitating Car:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pv-yEX_QPBw

It’s hardly an answer as to how the ARV works, but yet again looking for and collecting clues, it is another puzzle piece…
Hi Sputins, sorry it's been so long getting back to you. I've been occupied working in cooperation with John Iwasko and which has and is taking most of my free time.
Most ideas underlying the ARV seem to be fairly old; dating from the 1950's through the early 1960's, with other theoretical work that supports these ideas dating from far earlier, some before the turn of the last century. It's somewhat unclear whom may have actually originated actual work on an experimental machine first. All though what I think also follows the propaganda of our own time about the Nazi Scientists, but it is also probably true that ideas behind an anti~gravity machine can be linked to German experimental work through their own work in Wuderwaffe, or miracle weapons, which includes works of all kinds. The list is mind boggling really, but obviously would include work in thermodynamics, rocketry, guidance systems, radar technology, and high/hyper speed aerospace planes and missiles, atomic bombs, and so on.

One reason the Nazi Scientist make more sense is their method of operation in war research. Of all the systems across the world theirs might have made the most sense given the circumstances. For example, rather than have a military dictator over seeing the affairs of brilliant people, and whom was inferior, the Germans just made ranking officers of their own war critical scientists. Ultimately they had to answer for their works right? Whereas, the Soviet Scientists labored under the edicts of an insane and crazed lunatic, whom routinely signed execution orders for thousands before going to bed. Stalin ruled with an uncontrolled terrorists organization posing as policeman, and whom punished failure with sentences to the gulag or worse, whilst his so called state security went about looting, raping, and murdering with free abandon.

The American Scientists utilized a broken system of competition back then, just as they still do today, and which pitted one design team against another, all having to do with making money; this while men died on the battle field and their lives, homes, and families were at risk. Meanwhile in Japan, the primitive state of industrialization was mind bendingly backwards with dirt floors persisting in factories up into the 1960's (*see for example "The Reckoning" by David Hablerstam). Although brilliant and ingenious as any other, they too were ham strung by a dictator system of crazed nut jobs strutting about with swords and knee high leather boots, not to mention a billion other incidentals that would drive most westerners crazy in a week. For one thing the Japanese took experienced factory workers and placed in the front line as combat troops, leaving of course compete disaster to assume the void. It's a miracle the Japanese were able to produce what they did manage to produce given all the conditions and state of their own industrial capacity and organization.

So, as is often the case, war probably was the driving force which may have birthed conceptual ideas that are illustrated in the McCandlish illustration. It looks like there is some evidence that somehow the allies were left with scraps of information about antigravity research from Nazi Germany.

I've always contended that when the surviving Jewish intelligentsia stumbled off from secret production facilities they took with them the real knowledge, and it's my view that the nation most likely to hold antigravity technology was probably Israel and which I think probably demostrated it's power on a number of occassions. Now if you take that point of view, then suddenly you have answers for otherwise inexplicable actions taken by the United States and the Soviet Union, not to mention virtually everyone else on the planet.


Whether or not the scientists of the Third Reich actually got as far as a prototype is something which only the vaults of the CIA/OSS would be able to tell us, if even they themselves ever knew the truth.

Quite possibly the entire Alien UFO meme was a construct originating out of the supposedly victorious allies whom were suddenly confronted with a technology which they themselves had virtually no understanding of at all, and whom probably did not link up who possessed it for a very long time. I think possibly JFK might have and that this lead to that day in Dallas Texas.

Link to ubber HD image. *U-should save this HD Image in your files people. Was almost lost for a while but now I see it's been picked up by others. This one archived from Rumor mills, but the original story which it was attached to is lost. The one about where and how it ...cough ...showed up.
http://www.rumormillnews.com/Images/...-enhanced2.jpg

Now this image is one which quote "mysteriously surfaced" along with a few others, one containing George Bush Senior, as if to say something under a freeway overpass in Texas. So there's a mystery story here people. Remember me suggesting that it's us who have failed the truth tellers? People try to tell us truths as best they can is the idea I'm passing on.

Notice to the right upper portion of the photo is what looks like a smoke ring. Then just to the left is a dark streak about 3 pixels in length: That's an Army Helicopter which was filmed on that day. This is Dealey Plaza with people awaiting the Presidents Motorcade.

Small version of HD image (Archived at Coast to Coast)


This link is to a 1957 series of photo's and article Published in 1967. Photo series taken at an ARMY BASE in 1957, which clearly indicated that this technology/cloaking technology was in existence in the 1957 and probably in the hands of the US Military at that time. Eventually people will come to realize this is one and the same as the one shown in the Dealy Plaza photo.
The Ring Cloud UFO Photographs, 1957, UFO Casebook Files

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OK Sputins, so now I've given this Joe Cell levitation some thought. Previously I was unaware that Joe Cells were noted for doing this. Surprisingly I hadn't come across that information.

I don't know a lot about Joe Cells, but thought about making one previously and did some looking into that, however that was quite a while ago. I may have to revisit the information.

Consider however in the light of your comments what is probably happening and as it relates to the weight of the vehicle. For the Joe Cell to result in levitation it would seem that the Joe Cell is providing a change in the charge stasis of the vehicles metal body, and this is almost assuredly caused by ingesting air which has been induced to carry a charge polarity. As such this would be rather like what happens to automobiles in tornado's which fly off the highway. So in this case there really is likely to be an explanation which is somewhat conventional.


It took me a while but examine this video of a car disappearing in a tornado. The clip is very short, running between the 1:10 second mark and the 1:40 second mark. It's important to notice that there is another person crouched on the ground just to the right of where the car is yanked off the highway. This person isn't visible because of the torrent of material until about the 1:19 mark after the car vanishes, and it's only then that you can see where this person was crouched on the ground. So now what gives: Why is the car gone and the person somehow survives? BTW, let this be a lesson to those snail darters whom dive in front to lead the way and because what's the first rule in these situations people? Seek Cover, take shelter, and try to remain calm. Probably the people in the car did not survive this event. Watching this is a little disturbing so be prepared.



In a tornado the vortex is picking up the grounds charge in dust and debris which is being transferred to other objects. A car is sitting on rubber insulators, and being all metal it is a good conductor, naturally what is happening is that the car is absorbing the same charge as the ground around it. What this video shows is the magnitude of the charge sheath, because inside of 5 seconds the car has now become self-repelling to the surrounding ground, and because it's all metal it's really self repelling like an opposed magnet. It therefore does not require much for the cyclonic winds to rip this vehicle from the highway: Make sense?

Now alternatively there could also be a lot more going on with this activity where cyclonic winds are moving charged particles across a metal conductor. Shouldn't be too hard to envision all sorts of potential electromagnetic crap happening in that case, but for the Joe Cell the charge polarity is being inducted into the automobiles motor and thence on to the rest of the cars' body. It is a cyclonic wind which is doing this as well, just that it's not covering the entire vehicle so it doesn't exhibit anti~gravity phenomena in the blink of an eye.

On the other hand, the person hanging on to the ground for dear life is also a diamagnetic body repelling the charge field while self grounding with a charge field of the surrounding earth. Undoubtedly the reason the person on the ground survived is that by using their bare hands to dig into the earth was conducting a charge back to the earth so that their body carried far less of a static charge than the car had. Anyone else standing on shoes and holding on to say a light post or tree would have carried a much higher static charge which would have been the same as the ground itself. So any insulating materials will assist the tornado's in inducting a static charge into material which will be self repelling from the charge field of the ground itself. So the survivor, in reducing their exposure to the induced charge from the cyclonic debris and by crouching down helped. That action, combined with holding on to the ground grounded their own diamagnetic body back to the earth, and all these actions worked together to allow this person to survive.

I think it's some dramatic and rare footage of just how powerful static charges can become: It can't be pure luck for a person 4 feet away from an automobile is left on the ground while the car is sucked into the sky in the blink of an eye. It's not the cyclonic wind which is alone responsible for what happens in the video; it's the static charge polarity (magnetic field polarity) being transferred by induction into surrounding objects.

This action, if cross applied to the Joe Cell, would indicate to me that the cell is transferring a surrounding charge field of the same polarity of the immediate ground to the vehicle, and it's doing this in a very similar way: Motors eat air and also the car is insulated from the ground by it's rubber tires. It only seems mysterious because we don't have obvious cyclonic winds but if the motor is running then they are there. Depending on the specifics, this ingested atmosphere is of the same polarity field of the surroundings, and could conceivably become strong enough that, when combined with a magnetic deviation of enough strength in an immediate location, might then levitate the vehicle as described just as two opposed magnets would also do.
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Now lets try something else and look at the Star Wars land speeder. When I say L00K...blink! blink! I mean open your eyes and look at it like you were looking at something which actually could float and didn't require mirrors and rubber tires for special effects. When I say look I mean stop and pause and then think about this like it might be real, and if it were real, then what could that image reveal based on everything you know? I mean look at it like you're the head of Army Intelligence and you've got to brief the President. You think a person like President Trump will listen to some know nothing and accept someone tossing their hands in the air and saying: "I just have no clue."

If you start doing this you will begin thinking and having disturbing thoughts so I'm going to warn you right now that this will lead to others calling you a nut job if you start expressing your thoughts. You can choose to say nothing or express your thoughts and be called a kook. Either way, it's a sign you're waking up. Find other nut jobs, kooks, and dangerous dreamers to talk with until you find one who really isn't one, and then pretend you're an oblivious imbecile when around others whom have expressed they don't want to be disturbed.

As with any machine it's an assembly of parts which create a whole. It's never one thing alone which "enables" a machine to move, it's always a combination of things, and there are "enabling" technologies/knowledge that allow for it's creation. In other words, some things can be imagined because you know enough to realize they could be created, but might not be possible because the physical materials don't yet exist. Even then, take something like a jet motor and look at it's history of development, and there you can see people trying to find work around solutions to the problem.

We don't get news clips of pioneers any more like people in the 1930's once did. For example we don't see movie clips of the Italians testing a thermojet motor in a quest for more speed, and we don't see anything at all of any kind remotely suggesting that anything is unknown. Yes, we know everything there is to know, there's nothing out there, stop looking....Blink! Blink!

Our world has not improved at all despite the lessons from the last Global War. Since that time it's gotten progressively worse and worse in almost every single way imaginable. We all know that those people whom have gone out on a limb to try to help liberate humanity have been murdered. Even so, many like to claim that they can't kill everyone. Well that's just not true either, they can kill everyone, or most everyone with a thermonuclear war, which BTW does seem to be the objective of the Main Stream Media and about 80% of the politicians, and evidently all of the rich: Everyone of which must all be completely bat **** crazy as hell.

If you want to help the world you're going to have create problems for these people. That means rejecting their propaganda and questioning everything they toss in front of you. It means trying to find people whom will work with you and not against you with delusional ideas about becoming rich and famous, probably by planting a dagger in your back. You're going to have to do this on your own, and you're going to have to do this without a lot of help, and you're going to have to do this in secret, and you're going to have to do this with the expectation that you're not going to get rich by doing it, and you're going to have to do this while being labeled a kook just for trying, but if people will accept these conditions as the reality of the world they are now living in, and if they pursue their dreams, as opposed to the false dreams the system wants all of us to pursue, then eventually someone will strike gold somewhere's.

When you look at this image of Mark Hamill and the Land Speeder it's not just a movie prop and actor standing there. It's a story and it's a story about technology, but the one thing it is not is a fantasy, it's not pulled out of nowhere: No~where does not exist. Start believing that you are being shown what is known to others is my advice.

We already know that for a machine to levitate it needs to create a repelling magnetic field. So that's one part of the machines requirement. We can ask ourselves these questions: How many ways can we create a repelling charge, are there other ways to increase the repelling field, what are the best diamagnetic materials, are there any ways we can imagine which will enhance or multiply any or all of these desired features?

Now once you've done all this and think you have most all of the known technology in your hat, and still can't make a breakthrough, then you have to look at what is holding you back in the way of physical forces acting on the machine, or else explain the failure by looking at your machine itself and explaining it by either inferior design, as in not good enough yet, like I'm lacking swept wing technology for example, or else in technological development as in the case of where there just isn't enough power or it's being applied incorrectly!

Technical development is always going to encounter one or more of the aforementioned as it progresses. So the first step is to try to identify where the problem lies. This isn't always easy. The more people you have working with you the greater your chances for success. Which is why you must be labeled as a kook by the system in order to decrease the number of people willing to try to over~throw the systems planned future of sending your kids to either McDonalds, Walmart, a homeless shelter, or the military for college debt relief, which is what college debt is really all about, or else to prison for some pathetic excuse like smoking a dubi or something equally meaningless and unimportant.

These are the pre~planned futures which we ourselves have handed today's generations. These futures are what faces most kids today, these are their planned futures, and ya know there's plenty of shills whom have a lot to lose by upsetting their money making schemes of telling lies, but for the rest of us, for our own kids, well...sometimes a kid figures out just how totally screwed they are and looks round for someone to blame and to get even with: Golly can you imagine that?

We all helped to deliver these kids these great futures? We did and our leaders did, and we are all responsible for this in our own ways, but very few of us own television stations, or a hundred other influential for profit enterprise's either which could change the way people see the news and then their understanding of what futures they have shoved their kids in to, few of us donate tens of millions in a bribes for votes scheme that is all of our so~called government.

Now you're like asking yourself what the hell does this have to do with anything? Well the change starts with how you see your world around you, and I think it's a positive and fun way to begin changing your views by taking on jobs like this and then trying to unravel them, because you're going to find that no~matter what you think right now, you will find things which will raise your eyebrows and cause you to rethink what you think you know. That's your first step in liberation by the way, and while I know this isn't like an answer; not the answer you want, nor the one I want either, but look at the image and think it over. It's odd, that is the vehicle is odd, because we know it's supposed to be levitating and yet here it has these grill like features and intake ducts. Now I myself really haven't given a great deal of thought to the idea of hacking this image, but since proposing this I've been having dangerous ideas about it.


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Jerry E. Bayles' "Flying Saucer PDF".

Take a look at this:

http://www.electrogravity.com/Flying...cerField_2.pdf
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Great Job Burgess!
Wow...and he updated it four days ago as well. Can't go wrong with Bayles. He's been out there from way back. Great material there. I found this quote attached to the PDF link highly interesting as well, as I'm sure you yourself did. Might explain a few things huh?

"Field action diagram added on page 6 that details the generation and field sequence that creates the lifting force field as well as being able to generate a tractor or repulsion beam which can also shake solid matter to a powder if necessary.
Flying saucer design is based on creating a macroscopic quantum field to allow for quantum jumps without inertial effects and also propulsion via the A-vector quantum magnetic potential."
Electrogravity

Now I know others probably don't see this, but because of my special relationship with Universe I do, and what I see is a large dunce cap approaching...~LoL! Bring it Universe, I'm ready for you this time!


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Magnet field independent of the motion of the magnet.

Jerry's most poignant tests demonstrate that: "The field of a rotating disk magnet is independent of the motion of the magnet"; There is a latency in the magnetic field that results in the motion of the disk moving through it's own either non-moving or moving very slowly field.

The important and truly amazing fact is that the magnet field continues to move after the rotating disk stops!
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