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Thanks all for the great posts. Seriously, so much in these and enjoyable too. What I want people to see is another side. Hold this idea in the back of your mind; that the alien meme is really another magical song being played by the system: it's an ancient melody being played by a piper who plays a magical song on his magic flute.. The magic flute is playing another magical song and this song is about a planned agenda by the rulers to re-create/re-cast themselves over the rest of humanity: They long for the past and absolute rulership. Pay attention, do not become lost in this music, you know the story of what happens to those who do.

The message of the propagandists is that our knowledge, our technology, comes from aliens: This is a dangerous idea to buy in to. It is nothing less that a re-vamped story of creation with God replaced by Aliens. Our rulers will be quick to claim their blood lines come from these same ancient astronauts; same as some of them have already tried to link themselves to the blood line of Jesus Christ. Whether you yourselves recognize it or not, the religions of the world are involved in remaking themselves, even as they destroy themselves: In destruction there is creation, and it takes destruction to create something new. Make no mistake, this is happening now, the third world war is underway already: Has been for some time, and when it's finished the plan is to arrive once more back to where recorded history started. With a line of absolute rulers ruling over this planet, and with the means to enforce their will.

Now then, this story of alien super beings, vers the stupid humans, especially the slave species part, is specifically engineered to plant the idea in your head that you're a dumb ape suitable for slavery and who should be appreciative of the choices your self appointed rulers make.

This song being played about Aliens and super superior technology is a magical song. I'd be a liar if I said it wasn't an attractive song I myself have followed for a long time. However, the song is not intended to lead to good things, and so long as you recognize the ulterior motives behind the music then it's useful to listen to, otherwise it can present a danger to clear thinking. Realize that the Wright Brothers had been flying round for almost a year before a local annoyed new paper finally sent a reporter out to investigate all these crazy reports of a flying machine that people on a passing train keep sending them. Obviously lunatics seeing birds ya know.

In 50 years we went from that machine to a Heinkel jet, a Messeschmitt jet fighter, a rocket powered interceptor, and the first ballistic missile. That was over 75 years ago, and if the Nazi's also conquered gravity, as the evidence implicates that they did, then where would the budget of the US military alone have taken us?

If we are to believe the Garry McKinnion story then yes there are Aliens, and a hidden secret civilization, a quasi international one evidently, and it is already out there in space working with these other life forms. That is a real story and all this thread is really about is liberating ourselves mentally enough to see how much has been stolen from all us by understanding basic ideas behind these machines, and which this corporate military dictatorship already knows about, and has known about for 75 years.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gary_McKinnon

William Colby was supposedly going to secretly hand over some free energy documents as his gesture to humanity and he was found floating in the Wicomico River, a tributary of the Potomac: What won't these people do?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Colby

We have to figure it out. We are never ever going to be helped to anything other than slavery, misery, and death at the hands of the existing system. Even if aliens are out there, even if they are visiting, there's nothing which suggests that any of them have empathy and want to help humanity. For all appearances it look like they are at least as bad as the people who are calling the shots right here on earth right now. I don't see any of them leaving free energy blue prints on desks, or any thing else useful, and so why then, upon seeing this corrupted slave system, wouldn't they do that? Am I to believe that these super beings cannot locate some choice individuals to make some small gifts too? So ya know it isn't adding up for me, at least not in a good way, and so we have to do what MIT, Harvard, Yale, Stanford, and the rest won't do, which is to help humanity with the knowledge they themselves hide beneath layers of academic BS, or what the supposed patriots of the military system in their black projects keep hidden away that we all pay for.

So I guess the first step in my mind is to stop listening to them, listening to their explanations, their supposed impossible means to accomplish what is manifestly not impossible, which is antigravity. That's kind of where I began long ago. I listened to the supposed explanations for how the TR-3B worked and I concluded it was impossibly stupid and unbelievable, and so there had to be another logical means. Especially since I think the Germans managed to do it in the 1940's.
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yes, I do believe there is much deception on the part of the military industrial complex. Even so, there is always some thread of truth involved to make it somewhat realistic and believable. That evidence is always made obscure by those who want it kept secret. One example is that a flying machine crashed into a windmill in Aurora Texas in 1893. This was years before any flying machine was built on earth, All we had then was hot air balloons, and it certainly wasn't one of them. Hundred witnessed it and the local newspaper reported it. It made front page news for all the neighboring towns to see. So, how could this possibly be explained? They even claimed to have buried the pilot, a small humanoid of approximately 3 feet in height. Being many years prior to the Wright brothers, who are the officially recognized inventors of the original first flying machine, leaves us with a curious dilemma. Where did this flying machine originate? Not much investigation had been done on this until several years ago when someone was looking back through some old archives and discovered the newspaper article. Since then most of the evidence had been removed. Steslth
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yes, I do believe there is much deception on the part of the military industrial complex. Even so, there is always some thread of truth involved to make it somewhat realistic and believable. That evidence is always made obscure by those who want it kept secret. One example is that a flying machine crashed into a windmill in Aurora Texas in 1893. This was years before any flying machine was built on earth, All we had then was hot air balloons, and it certainly wasn't one of them. Hundred witnessed it and the local newspaper reported it. It made front page news for all the neighboring towns to see. So, how could this possibly be explained? They even claimed to have buried the pilot, a small humanoid of approximately 3 feet in height. Being many years prior to the Wright brothers, who are the officially recognized inventors of the original first flying machine, leaves us with a curious dilemma. Where did this flying machine originate? Not much investigation had been done on this until several years ago when someone was looking back through some old archives and discovered the newspaper article. Since then most of the evidence had been removed. Steslth
Yea, well stealing from archives, creating false stories, laying traps, plotting long and twisted story lines are the bread and butter of perverted minds, and if they don't work in the news media then they find employment in intelligence services, both private and state, because there are none responsible to the public at large obviously enough.

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Statements to the media
McKinnon has admitted in many public statements that he obtained unauthorised access to computer systems in the United States including those mentioned in the United States indictment. He states his motivation, drawn from a statement made before the Washington Press Club on 9 May 2001 by "The Disclosure Project", was to find evidence of UFOs, antigravity technology, and the suppression of "free energy", all of which he states to have proven through his actions.[35][36]

In an interview televised on the BBC's Click programme,[37] McKinnon stated that he was able to get into the military's networks simply by using a Perl script that searched for blank passwords; in other words his report suggests that there were computers on these networks with the default passwords active.

In his interview with the BBC, he also stated of "The Disclosure Project" that "they are some very credible, relied-upon people, all saying yes, there is UFO technology, there's anti-gravity, there's free energy, and it's extraterrestrial in origin and [they've] captured spacecraft and reverse engineered it." He said he investigated a NASA photographic expert's claim that at the Johnson Space Center's Building 8, images were regularly cleaned of evidence of UFO craft, and confirmed this, comparing the raw originals with the "processed" images. He stated to have viewed a detailed image of "something not man-made" and "cigar shaped" floating above the northern hemisphere, and assuming his viewing would be undisrupted owing to the hour, he did not think of capturing the image because he was "bedazzled", and therefore did not think of securing it with the screen capture function in the software at the point when his connection was interrupted.[38]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gary_McKinnon

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And also a more effective "Computer Language" would be the one that directly communicates with processors, just like low level languages as the "Assembler" or "Machine Language"

As is described by Isaac...all this symbols-written parts "come alive" when in the presence of a "specific field", as each one has specific functions to execute...so, the whole "computer" including all the "peripherals" will "turn on" under the influence of a field...just as when we press that small "On Switch" which closes all circuits that starts up MULTIPLE FUNCTIONS within our PC's.
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Going backwards, for now, and back to post 185 by Thx1138.

Back on page 7 Thx1138 made a post (*185) about gravity shielding being necessary on the pretext that a loss of mass might create a state where electrons wouldn't, or might not flow, and thus the ARV needed a light control {fiber optics} type of system: This explanation coming from Mark McCandlish in explanation to his design for an optical light control system {fiber optics}.

However this presents a problem and Thx1138 asks what then happens to the human body if mass cancellation caused electrons to not flow/move, and wouldn't this then require that the crew be shielded from mass canceling effects?

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Thx1138 then follows with this;
Shielding, as described by Fran De Aquino, does not alter the mass of the vehicle or its occupants but nullifies the effect of gravity on whatever is inside the plasma surrounding the vehicle as if the force of gravity cannot penetrate the plasma. As I understand it, it is somewhat analogous to using an umbrella in the rain with the water being the gravity and the umbrella the shield.
https://arxiv.org/ftp/physics/papers/9904/9904018.pdf


What I have to ask is why this conclusion? Why imagine that mass cancellation would stop an electron? All things are relative and this idea seems like a kind of reversed logic leaping to a conclusion where there's no basis to imagine a change in state. If anything, I would imagine that a loss of mass in matter would create an increased field of energy, a more energetic electron, and which would then pose a potential problem.

Here the McCandlish fiber optic control system would again make sense as a simplification of an otherwise complex wiring system that would need to be shielded. However, the question is what of the occupants? I would suggest that the threat to the occupants is from increased radiation of energies, and that the original design used cable shielding, which would sensibly be up-graded to a fiber optic control system at some point, but that the design does retain a protective spherical crew compartment, and indicating that the threat isn't from a loss a mass but from other energies.


This is then alternatively an article about electromagnetic wave absorbing materials such as graphite and those being developed under the name of GNP–epoxy composites for use as electromagnetic wave absorbing material.

Dielectric and microwave attenuation properties of graphene nanoplatelet–epoxy composites
http://aip.scitation.org/doi/10.1063/1.4863687

The nature of the electron
https://arxiv.org/ftp/physics/papers/0512/0512265.pdf
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I've been reviewing the thread because with so much information now posted it's necessary: Necessary in order to see what could not be seen before.

Aliens in the Attic.

I'm Obstinate about Aliens for a reason; read the collected articles and posts at Grey Falcon. This is one of my all time favorite sites BTW. For example scroll down a tad and read the article by Tim Matthews; "The New Nazi ET Lie. Claimed Non-Terrestrial Disc Aircraft Development in German Possession

Notice here that Matthews' article makes the things I've said about the probable origins of antigravity spacecraft look like they came out of the Sicherheltsdienst. I'm not sure if this qualifies me as an A-man: agents in the field, or as a U-man: corrupt and unreliable, but my intention is to show that, either way, this technology has been a part of history trailing back to the last Global War. It might not be of Nazi origins, but it's history dates back to that epoch of time. The SD - History Learning Site


Post #180 on page 6 by Thx1138 has a link to Fran de Aquinos' paper on gravitational spacecraft. This is a 74 page white paper. I think this paper has some interesting information which is cross connected and may be useful if reviewed. Fran de Aquino is known for his writings on this subject. Maybe someone has a replication link or some other related info.
https://arxiv.org/ftp/physics/papers/9904/9904018.pdf


One might then review this link and look for improvements. This is an extremely interesting link in my opinion. The author shows his design and explains it. This is a candidate for replication.Since this design is based around an understanding of tornado's, one other element not mentioned is radioactivity, and depending on locations, radioactive dust particles are a part of nature and may then also form a part of the creation process. Considering Frand de Aquinos' suggestions then it's a natural to consider Americium 234 lining the inside hull.
https://translate.google.com/transla...new_page_6.htm



This 1964 patent by Ryan Aeronautical Company, Inventor Gradecak Vjekoslav for an Electric aerospace propulsion system is worth reviewing for the way the supposed system operates. There appears to me to be similarities in this design which relate to other ideas involving ionization and moving charged particles.
https://www.google.com/patents/US3177654

*Note, I believe the ARV's outer hull is coated with a carbon/graphite compound which is slightly radioactive. This mirrors Fran de Aquinos' suggestion for Americium 234

*Note Some of the wording in these patents are now appearing to be corrupted. I corrected a number of errors in the following extract, and have guessed that the word "TILE" was the correct word. Extensive run on's and other apparent meddlings are present throughout the PDF.

This patent talks mysteriously about a substance to enhance air ionization, which we know now is a radioactive substance, and thus I guessed that the corrupted wording was originally a "tile" because using a radioactive tile would make sense given what is now understood about radioactivity enhancing the ionization of air molecules.

Who knows what Ryan Aviation thought was an acceptable radioactive substance, but given the history of American bsusiness and the US military they probably figured the stronger the better: Probably got out the sharp pencil's and got down to figuring exactly where the kill factor figured into radioactivity in air ionization. Probably got it all plotted down to how much time a pilot could spend in the ship before death or hair loss became an issue.

Extract;
"Another object of this invention is to provide an electric propulsion system in which extremely high voltages are used to ionize a fluid in a coronal discharge field, the ionized fluid being accelerated by extremely high powered magnetic pulses. which produce a pinch effect in the propulsion chamber. r

A further object of this invention is to provide an electric propulsion system in which the propulsion unit chamber is open at both ends so that in atmosphere, air is admitted to the chamber and ionized to form plasma, the un-ionized air being entrained by the accelerated plasma and adding to the mass flow to increase thrust.

It is another object of this invention to provide an electric propulsion system wherein a supply of colloids is used as a source a of plasma for operation in space tile ionization being. enhanced by an auxiliary source of radiation in the vicinity of the coronal discharge."

An ionization smoke detector uses a radioisotope, typically americium-241.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smoke_detector#Ionization
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Americium
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I would like to present the primary ideas which I believe are involved in the ARV. In my opinion these pieces of information form the foundations upon which an ARV like vehicle can be created.


The story of the invention of the ARV begins (I think) with an observation by Éleuthère Mascart in 1886. Mascart reported that; "At very high speed a disk jumped upwards due to an unknown force."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%89...3%A8re_Mascart

Then in 1960 Dr. Marcel Pagès explained and patented what he believed was an electromagnetic Magnus effect. This Patent is archived here.
FR1253902 (pdf).
http://blazelabs.com/pagesbrevet1253902.pdf

Examinations of this patent may be found here.

Marcel Pagès brevet
Marcel PAGES 1924Â* - © Cetin BAL - GSM:+90Â* 05366063183 -Turkiye/Denizli

Engineer Xavier Borg @ Blaze Labs Research replicates this experiment and explains the behavior.
Experiments: Experiment 10

Next we have the work of Thomas Townsend Brown and Paul Alfred Biefeld. The most significant aspect of which is the understanding of vacuum polarization created by a capacitor: More so in my opinion than the otherwise more well followed dissymmetry of charged fields demonstrated with high voltage experiments.

The importance of which is demonstrated in the video series of John Iwaszko.
http://www.antigravity.net.au/
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Inspiring Technological Innovation

Lastly we have the really solid work of Mahmoud E. Yousif.
http://www.exmfpropulsions.com/
An Inquiry in to the Alien Reproduction Vehicle
EXTERNAL MAGNETIC FIELD PROPULSION AND FLYING OBJECTS
http://www.exmfpropulsions.com/New_P...on/ExMF-PS.htm

https://contest.techbriefs.com/2017/...ystems-exmf-ps



Anyone who has an interest in UFO's knows that the biggest problem in trying to understand how they may work is the amount of ideas and information which exist. It's a giant jigsaw puzzle out there. This NASA Publication shows this is an issue even for NASA.

NASA/TM—2004-213406 (December 2004) Breakthrough Propulsion Physics Project: Project Management Methods.

See page 22 of the linked pdf for a clear illustration of a NASA chart showning some of the many ideas and theories for advanced propulsion systems.
https://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/c...0050041926.pdf


In many ways this NASA chart is a mirror to history. It mirrors the same confused path taken by early pioneers in aviation: Many ideas with many potential pathways and most are unknown or unproven ones.

Scientific Education.

It's been both an advantage and a disadvantage to lack formalized education in material science. An advantage to lack a formalized education in material science because what I've found is that the more my mind is trained in formalized science, the more it closes off what I might otherwise imagined.

John Taylor Gatto tells us that the primary purpose of traditional edcuation systems is to close off of the imagination. This is the primary purpose of the Prussian Stlye educational system. It's whole purpose was built with this intent: Try then to keep your imagination intact whilst endeavouring.
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I would like to present the primary ideas which I believe are involved in the ARV. In my opinion these pieces of information form the foundations upon which an ARV like vehicle can be created.


The story of the invention of the ARV begins (I think) with an observation by Éleuthère Mascart in 1886. Mascart reported that; "At very high speed a disk jumped upwards due to an unknown force."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%89...3%A8re_Mascart

Then in 1960 Dr. Marcel Pagès explained and patented what he believed was an electromagnetic Magnus effect. This Patent is archived here.
FR1253902 (pdf).
http://blazelabs.com/pagesbrevet1253902.pdf

Examinations of this patent may be found here.

Marcel Pagès brevet
Marcel PAGES 1924Â* - © Cetin BAL - GSM:+90Â* 05366063183 -Turkiye/Denizli

Engineer Xavier Borg @ Blaze Labs Research replicates this experiment and explains the behavior.
Experiments: Experiment 10

Next we have the work of Thomas Townsend Brown and Paul Alfred Biefeld. The most significant aspect of which is the understanding of vacuum polarization created by a capacitor: More so in my opinion than the otherwise more well followed dissymmetry of charged fields demonstrated with high voltage experiments.

The importance of which is demonstrated in the video series of John Iwaszko.
http://www.antigravity.net.au/
AurumSolis Technologies
Inspiring Technological Innovation

Lastly we have the really solid work of Mahmoud E. Yousif.
http://www.exmfpropulsions.com/
An Inquiry in to the Alien Reproduction Vehicle
EXTERNAL MAGNETIC FIELD PROPULSION AND FLYING OBJECTS
http://www.exmfpropulsions.com/New_P...on/ExMF-PS.htm

https://contest.techbriefs.com/2017/...ystems-exmf-ps



Anyone who has an interest in UFO's knows that the biggest problem in trying to understand how they may work is the amount of ideas and information which exist. It's a giant jigsaw puzzle out there. This NASA Publication shows this is an issue even for NASA.

NASA/TM—2004-213406 (December 2004) Breakthrough Propulsion Physics Project: Project Management Methods.

See page 22 of the linked pdf for a clear illustration of a NASA chart showning some of the many ideas and theories for advanced propulsion systems.
https://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/c...0050041926.pdf


In many ways this NASA chart is a mirror to history. It mirrors the same confused path taken by early pioneers in aviation: Many ideas with many potential pathways and most are unknown or unproven ones.

Scientific Education.

It's been both an advantage and a disadvantage to lack formalized education in material science. An advantage to lack a formalized education in material science because what I've found is that the more my mind is trained in formalized science, the more it closes off what I might otherwise imagined.

John Taylor Gatto tells us that the primary purpose of traditional edcuation systems is to close off of the imagination. This is the primary purpose of the Prussian Stlye educational system. It's whole purpose was built with this intent: Try then to keep your imagination intact whilst endeavouring.
Wonderful!
You found the links pertaining to the operation of the aluminum disc.
BTW, my apologies for missing your PM.
Do you remember my post about creating a magnetic field without a current flowing thru a conductor, and what you don't see in the image due to it's perspective?
Simple, and easily explainable.
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perhaps Oxide coating or ??

Flying Triangles And The Black Holes On My Fridge

a very good fellow shared this a few years back at OU.com [member Techstuff]

a snip from the short read

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Two researchers, Kowsky and Frost apparently were studying the piezo-electric effect in rochelle salt crystals and came upon an odd discovery. Suffice it to say, further research with quartz crystals seemed to reveal a change in atomic structure.....the quartz is purported to have stretched in proportion on all sides and became quite opaque. Also, when subjected to extended excitation from high tension DC current through the crystal while subjecting the crystal to HF radio energy perpendicular to the flow of electricity, the crystal became quite buoyant managing eventually to suspend some 55lbs above the table. The article was heralded on the cover of the Sept. issue and was reported in all seriousness ending with words to this effect: " this report appeared in a reliable german periodical, Radio Umschau"

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Wonderful!
You found the links pertaining to the operation of the aluminum disc.
BTW, my apologies for missing your PM.
Do you remember my post about creating a magnetic field without a current flowing thru a conductor, and what you don't see in the image due to it's perspective?
Simple, and easily explainable.
*Not holding you or anyone else to anything mind you, just asking for present thoughts and ideas, all subject to modification obviously.

Your posts, yes, your statement, no. Likely it just went right past me because it probably made no sense to me at the time, but now of course it's all magically clear. Also I gather your reference to perspective refers to the ARV illustration and a possible location for a HV source? If so what are your thoughts now on the half round balls seen under many other early UFO's; could these also be HV sources, and functioning in a similar manner? I'm asking myself how exactly. We need to discus this I think.
Read my response to Ramset.

I also agree that the disc would seem an obvious part of a magnetic field generator. The question I have is it is just a part of a total system? Here it may be that you understand this better yourself but it doesn't seem to me that a single large disc would be sufficient. On the other hand, the magnetic field phenomena of 100% transference enables force multiplication by stacking. This would suggest that a system of stacked discs might be a more likely probability or useful idea to keep handy; all this recent material has me thinking of hover boards: Like a 60 year old should be thinking of hover boards huh? Well crazy is as crazy does.

My other thoughts on this magnetic field generator relate back to the center columns' spirals. Here I've been turning over ideas about what may be going on. Please share any of your own thoughts or ideas you might have.

I think that we are now on to the crux of the matter and that these last few posts, by yourself and by Ramset are critically significant in this inquiry. I still have many questions but I think that there are those here, whom like yourself, can instantly connect up an arcane bit of information to the seemingly mysterious functions contained in this design.



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Flying Triangles And The Black Holes On My Fridge

a very good fellow shared this a few years back at OU.com [member Techstuff]

a snip from the short read

Snip"
Two researchers, Kowsky and Frost apparently were studying the piezo-electric effect in rochelle salt crystals and came upon an odd discovery. Suffice it to say, further research with quartz crystals seemed to reveal a change in atomic structure.....the quartz is purported to have stretched in proportion on all sides and became quite opaque. Also, when subjected to extended excitation from high tension DC current through the crystal while subjecting the crystal to HF radio energy perpendicular to the flow of electricity, the crystal became quite buoyant managing eventually to suspend some 55lbs above the table. The article was heralded on the cover of the Sept. issue and was reported in all seriousness ending with words to this effect: " this report appeared in a reliable german periodical, Radio Umschau"

end snip
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respectfully submitted

Chet K
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Your post is precisely on target and timely. Mark McCandlish has said that he thought there is a RF system/antenna, and which he suggests is the ring like object surrounding the disc on the outer walls of the vehicle. The disc is located beneath the pilots seats and which appears to be a floor. Others have speculated that this disc could be working as a gyroscope, which it would also function as if it does, in fact, rotate/spin. This ring or antenna is sectioned in the illustration. It's upper top section then forms the deck of the walkway around the outer upper part of the hull where the entry hatch is located.

A levitating disc as demonstrated in Xavier Borgs' experiment demonstrates a means to produce a magnetic field which could function as an alternative to a superconductor; a work round to a problem where a technical solution to a desired effect is unavailable.

A superconductor expels the magnetic field, whereas Dr. Marcel Pagès levitating disc actually creates a magnetic field in a unique way. They do two completely opposite things but oddly enough this can be made to stand on it's head to fulfill the desired effect.

Another quality of the magnetic field phenomena is it's ability to transfer 100% through a dielectric and to then multiply itself thence one on top of another field. Stacking magnets is an analogy here.

Xavier Borg says in relation to EM radiation;
"This frequency is quite low as the value will be equal to the disc's RPM, which due to its mechanical limitations cannot go into the Mhz region."
Experiments: Experiment 10

Oh so now another problem in creating a powerful enough magnetic field relates back to the mechanical limitation of the spinning disc? Well probably not because there's an obvious work round to the problem because it stands to reason that antenna Mark is talking about is likely receiving microwaves.

This then takes us back to the capacitors in the base of the vehicle and the crystalline nature of these contraptions.
So now the question is if we are now ready to begin assembling a probable picture of the ARV's operating systems?
More importantly, can we now begin to form some ideas for home brewed systems?
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I can't find the link right now,
but a self excited homo polar generator can make an infinite magnetic field with a finite amount of current going through it.
the ARV might need an infinitely (or close to it) strong magnetic field for some reason
so what I am trying to say is that the ARV generating a very very large magnetic field is quite possible
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I can't find the link right now,
but a self excited homo polar generator can make an infinite magnetic field with a finite amount of current going through it.
the ARV might need an infinitely (or close to it) strong magnetic field for some reason
so what I am trying to say is that the ARV generating a very very large magnetic field is quite possible
Be sure to read the link over at Rense that Ramset posted.
"Magnetism may be thought of as 'coherent gravity' of a particular 'wavelength' or gravity may be thought of as 'full spectrum magnetism."
Flying Triangles And The Black Holes On My Fridge

The link has some interesting thoughts about the nature of gravity. It also brings out some concise information on the Kowsky/Frost experiments with rochelle salt crystals; "excitation from high tension DC current through the crystal while subjecting the crystal to HF radio energy perpendicular to the flow of electricity,"

The author then links the Kowsky and Frost experiments to a UFO Incident: Height 611 UFO Incident. Read the chemical analysis at the Wikipedia link.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Height_611_UFO_incident.

Flying Triangles And The Black Holes On My Fridge.
"Apparently, a UFO crashed on Hill 611 and debris was recovered which contained a matrix of fine gold wire substrate sheathed in quartz. One can readily imagine a scenario involving the skin of the craft, or portions thereof, being covered with the material charged electrically by the gold wire and subjected to the proper RF energy perpendicularly from within the craft."
Flying Triangles And The Black Holes On My Fridge

Importantly the author relates a personal story of a black triangle sighting where he estimates the size of the vehicle, which is useful information for estimating altitudes, where he thinks it was about 70 feet in length. This sounds about right based on my own observation of the same type of vehicle.

There is a photo at the link of this vehicle which, though it resembles a kite, is what I also saw. I used Tin Eye to backtrack the image to the largest one I could find. It also looks like the same vehicle in the only video I've ever seen of this vehicle in action, taken over Mt Baldy in CA of last year, and which I previously talked about here in this thread; where the author mysteriously scrubbed the video from Youtube after a couple days: Evidently after being visited by men in suits. So I have no doubt whatsoever that these triangles are terrestrial and that obviously we have had these for a long time; Splain's 75% taxation, Gary McKinnions' run in with the Nut Jobs at the Dept against Justice and these supposedly fantasy vehicles https://i.imgur.com/IlW8Mkp.jpg Truth exposes the complete farce called politics for the mind controlling program that it honestly is. It exposes the phony international conflicts for the sham of warfare making as another part of this mind controlling agenda while looting the people of resources by the corporate elites. It exposes the pretend masquerade of military spending for the purposes of off world space based civilization building: That's the reality which is so precious that they will kill to hide it from the people.



Evidently this image is located somewhere's on this site.
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It's also interesting to note that the author seems to accurately describe the magnetic field as demonstrated by the video's of Ufopolitics while the article, "Flying Triangles And The Black Holes On My Fridge" is itself from 2004. I think this is an extremely interesting article for a number of reasons, another one of which is the authors speculative ideas about the truth behind black holes, and which would then sort of put a large black eye on the face of so-called expert scientists lying ass stories about the nature of space.



Additionally, previously posted in this thread; the Kowsky and Frost piezo-electric effect in rochelle salt crystals. Post 71 on Page 3. An Inquiry in to the Alien Reproduction Vehicle
Replicated link to Dan Winter's PDF for his own Implosion Group Crystal Propulsion Proposal.
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I must have missed that crystal thing the first time around,
it looks pretty easy to test,
that is if I had a really high power low frequency radio amplifier, at least it is in the frequency range of the high power somewhat low priced transistors
I just tried 20 or so watts with magnetic coils around a chunk of quarts and it did nothing (I literally had all the hardware already setup for something else, so I thought I would try it)
guess it is time to build an amplifier,
if I ever get some expanded crystals, then I will try them in the capacitors of an electrogravic setup.

this all also makes sense of leaked info talking about crystals that would loose weight when they put electricity into them, but they could not reproduce the crystals even though they knew what elements they were made out of
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So I just check back in and where's the image I posted of the Black Triangle?

I repeat the process doing another reverse image search, copy the link once more, then go back to the post and suddenly it's magically re-appeared?

If you don't see the image of the black triangle then copy and paste this link to another window.
http://rense.com/general54/Triangle_3.jpg
http://marcianitosverdes.haaan.com/w...177dorito3.jpg
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Enlarged and messed around with some color manipulation to see if I could eliminate what might otherwise be painted designs. Here's a UFO Report from a Kook who lives just a few miles away. I saw no fins but my total time of observation was less than 5 seconds. I'm sure it's the same vehicle the other observers saw or at least one very similar. I saw it in July 2017, and he saw it on September 4, 2016. It has also been described as bat like and if you look closely at the thing it has what seems like scalloped sections like a bats wing on the back end. I think the wings and scallops are optical effects caused by energy waves distorting the airwaves.

This image has been called Dorito's. I think this photo was taken in South America (unsure) but I do think this is the same type of vehicle.
Best still image so far.
Updated Image is an Arrowhead-shaped UFO from Glascow, Scottland, 2002.
Kansas woman says UFO blocked out moon and stars (Audio) | Openminds.tv
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Underside illustrations of an arrowhead-shaped UFO from a 1989 sighting in Cooper City, FL. (Credit: UFOevidence.org)

Washington witness describes UFO with fins | Openminds.tv


Arrowhead-shaped UFO from Glascow, Scottland, 2002. (Credit: ufocasebook.com)


Arrowhead-shaped UFO from Glascow, Scottland, 2002. (Credit: ufocasebook.com)
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Now I don't know for sure whether or not my psychedelic art work honestly means anything or not, but as a primitive form of spectrum analysis it does seem to be revealing.

Xavier Borg writes; "The main radiation one could expect with such a setup is the so called cyclotron radiation."

"Charges flying in circles are continually accelerating, with a centripedal acceleration towards the field lines they are spiraling around. This means they are radiating pure sine-wave electric fields perpendicular to the magnetic filed lines." Experiments: Experiment 10

Additionally and paraphrased from page 7; "Propagation and Dissipation of Ion Cyclotron Waves in the Auroral Ionosphere." http://w3.pppl.gov/~jrj/ICW.pdf

Wave absorption is a function of frequency and angle between the wave vector and magnetic field of the wave. This results in a defined structure in the absorption coefficients with a frequency spacing. Absorption structures increase in frequency with increasing angle suggesting coupling to a compression wave. http://w3.pppl.gov/~jrj/ICW.pdf

Additionally, as another thought towards the workings of the ARV, we know that applying a magnet to certain materials aligns their crystalline structures; in the ARV this magnetic field would be perpendicular to the capacitors. One would imagine then that this magnetic field might have a substantial effect on these capacitors resultant impulses.
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keeping in mind the new data and all the history,
I am now thinking that this craft is an electric gravity effect like TT brown found, it uses a super high dielectric constant insulator, they are the expanded crystals. (might be able to make them with a spark gap transmitter, or at least that seems to be the lowest cost way to test)
the metals in the capacitor are ones that use the Kondo effect (likely just to reduce total weight of the system),
the high voltage system is likely most of the center core of the device, I am thinking something like an upside down vandergraph generator that uses mercury vapor at the belt, the end contact points are clearly visible at the lower section of the central core, and is controlled where the electricity hits with something like a TV picture tube uses to direct where the picture goes.
the control system switches on and off each section as the contact beam rotates from one contact to another (for the needed pulsing to make the electrogravic effect work) and to what degree each plate gets turned on for steering control (outdating the previous system that used 3 spheres under the craft that were capacitors that could be physically angled for steering control ).
the 2 oppositely rotated switching of the capacitors is to keep the entire thing from rotating after a while of running while allowing you the fancy steering system.
the center disk and coil are a self excited homopolar generator, this is used to generate a very large magnetic field (reaching near infinite), could be used to change how the crystals work, or more than likely (or additionally) is used to give the ship magnetic shielding for when you are going high speeds in space, this shielding will create a large amount of ions hitting the top of that central core, and likely that is where it gets its extra energy to recharge.
the angled nature of the craft seems to me to be focusing the energy created by the capacitors to the main section of the craft, when tesla played with this sort of energy (pretty sure it is the same energy), it would reflect off shiny surfaces (regardless of what they were made of)
did I miss anything, or does that seem about right ?
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keeping in mind the new data and all the history,
I am now thinking that this craft is an electric gravity effect like TT brown found, it uses a super high dielectric constant insulator, they are the expanded crystals. (might be able to make them with a spark gap transmitter, or at least that seems to be the lowest cost way to test)
the metals in the capacitor are ones that use the Kondo effect (likely just to reduce total weight of the system),
the high voltage system is likely most of the center core of the device, I am thinking something like an upside down vandergraph generator that uses mercury vapor at the belt, the end contact points are clearly visible at the lower section of the central core, and is controlled where the electricity hits with something like a TV picture tube uses to direct where the picture goes.
the control system switches on and off each section as the contact beam rotates from one contact to another (for the needed pulsing to make the electrogravic effect work) and to what degree each plate gets turned on for steering control (outdating the previous system that used 3 spheres under the craft that were capacitors that could be physically angled for steering control ).
the 2 oppositely rotated switching of the capacitors is to keep the entire thing from rotating after a while of running while allowing you the fancy steering system.
the center disk and coil are a self excited homopolar generator, this is used to generate a very large magnetic field (reaching near infinite), could be used to change how the crystals work, or more than likely (or additionally) is used to give the ship magnetic shielding for when you are going high speeds in space, this shielding will create a large amount of ions hitting the top of that central core, and likely that is where it gets its extra energy to recharge.
the angled nature of the craft seems to me to be focusing the energy created by the capacitors to the main section of the craft, when tesla played with this sort of energy (pretty sure it is the same energy), it would reflect off shiny surfaces (regardless of what they were made of)
did I miss anything, or does that seem about right ?


Don't let my own thoughts obscure your ideas for the same reason I wouldn't suggest building a Wright Flyer when all I was really interested in was figuring out the best and cheapest way to make a light aircraft, but at this point I are still a bit unsure what are the wings and where are they? I'm still asking myself what is the engine and what kind of fuel is this plane taking? Any outside ideas may be improvements or alternatives once we do get the gist of aircraft positively nailed down.

*I revised this part of the post
However, despite these issues, here's a thumbnail sketch of my present thoughts. Right now I think that the disc functions as a pump in one respect, acting upon the capacitors, which then produce power feed back into a microwave generator which powers the magnetic field producing disc, and which results in an electromechanical pumping on the capacitors. The expended disc energy is collected via the outer ring antenna and recycled. The atmosphere is the primary re-charging station. Additional re-charging available through other sources such as high power lines. I think that the capacitors and the disc are the primary power system and that the capacitors act as the energy storage system.

* I removed my previous notes about a potential nuclear power source because it was an illogical thoughtless oversight. The capacitor banks are huge and should themselves be capable of acting as the sole sources of energy storage.

I do think the capacitors are providing the primary motive force. I think the disc is primarily or entirely there to operate as an electromechanical pump which drives the capacitor fluxing, which produces energy and may assist in motive force. I could of course be wrong and maybe there's some mathematically inclined persons who would crunch some numbers and see if the disc could be driven to levels capable of producing an magnetic field sufficient to levitate the machine away from the earths magnetic field.

I'm researching right now. However in understanding something it's often best to try to begin with the beginning and I've found a very useful dissertation. This has some specifics on manufacturing piezoelectric specimens for testing. It explains the drawbacks of earlier materials and the reason why these newer materials are superior. This is a 139 page dissertation but interesting and as easy to read as these forms of scientific papers come. I think it's about as clear and good as it gets. lead zirconate titanate (PZT) seems to have been the dominate form of piezoelectric transducing material for a long time while mounting what appears to be a continual search for a Holy Grail. Much has happened since this publication but this is good material to begin with.

Thesis and Dissertation Collection. 1958.
An investigation of lead zirconate titante. Rawlins, Robert D. Monterey, California: U.S. Naval Postgraduate School.
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Theses and Dissertations. Thesis and Dissertation Collection. 1958. An investigation of lead zirconate titante. Rawlins, Robert D. Monterey, California: U.S. Naval Postgraduate School.

*Additionally you will notice that in discussing manufacturing techniques there is a reference to polarity where a magnetic field is applied to induce the arrangement of the crystalline pattern to a desired plane. At least that's what I got by brushing through this. Will have to review it but it makes a lot of sense and fits my own thinking here.
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John Iwaszko demonstrates power transmitted wirelessly by electromagnetic waves in "free space" from a Tesla Coil Transmitter. Skip to about the 2:20 mark for a quick demo on this. At one point power is transmitted from the Telsa to the rim of the saucer. The primary idea here is to explain the reason high power lines are sources for UFO sightings.

"Antigavity" Method 15b Pt b of 15 -Worlds's 1st Free Flight of A Tesla Coil powered Flying Saucer!
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*Note; if you watch this, which is highly recommended, John poses the question of what's the point of all these toys he demonstrates, and then follows this with a brief clip shown at the around the 26:00 minute mark taken by John himself. This is a remarkable video. It is a repudiation of todays' theoretical physics, it supports the smack down handed out by Mahmoud E. Yousif in his paper on the double slit experiment revisited, and finally the self powered helicopter captured on video should be telling you there's a divergence between what's officially approved science and what is actually real applied science. The implications behind the amount of power it takes to make a full size helicopter fly and wireless power transmission it would be receiving should have your eyeballs rolling in to the back of their sockets. See the 26:00 minute mark for that one. This is Eurocopter Écureuil (Squirrel) series helicopter. Normally I wouldn't think this is possible, but given that the source is one of the most knowledgeable ones available, then I must assume that this is precisely what John is implying in showing this brief clip.

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Question, why is the electricity and/or heat not conducted or free flowing throughout the entire filament or conductor?
The answer in my own opinion is that well, in short it is but the filament heating and the electrical flow as demonstrated shows the electromagnetic wave as a nodal point created by a standing wave existing between the transmitter and receiving aerials.
Faraday's law of induction is a basic law of electromagnetism that predicts how a magnetic field will interact with an electric circuit to produce an electromotive force (EMF). The Maxwell--Faraday equation is a generalisation of Faraday's law, and forms one of Maxwell's equations.
These laws simply state that every time electricity changes its strength or its direction they will produce electromagnetic waves, but if we include the transmitter aerial and the receiver aerial we have two electromagnetic waves now, the first from the transmitter and the second wave that illuminates the light sources indicating that there is an electric current flowing in the receiving antenna this produces a wave of its own. So the wave travelling out meets the wave travelling back, one will push against the other and they cancel out, so only the peaks of the waves become evident, which is where the light sources illuminate.
If I was to reform the receiver antenna into a loop the connection would be considered complete as a full wave, but the experiments show that the light source illuminates and is connected regardless of an actual physical connection, therefore a counter spatial connection exists in free space and is formed from three primary elements.
A resistive load, the light source which dissipates energy therefore no energy is stored, a capacitor which stores energy in an electric field, there is little energy dissipation in the form of a field in an enclosed space, which is typically bounded by two parallel metallic plates and an insulator or dielectric between. The space surrounding the experiment will have a structure of capacity, and other structures will have other capacities.
And there is also an inductor which stores energy in a magnetic field, which also has no energy dissipation. The lines of force orientate themselves in close loops surrounding the axis of current flow that has given rise to them. The larger the space is between a current that flows within and its images or reflections from other surrounding inductors or aerials allow more energy to be stored in the resulting field.
Once set into motion the completion of the connection is not limited to an actual physical connection of opposite polarity requirements, it finds it own way to complete the circuit once it has commenced when energized by electromagnetic waves of a particular character.
This is why the light source remains illuminated regardless of whether it is earthed or not, it is for the same reason that a transient voltage spike, (that can only be stopped by additional components at best), is created when we switch on or off a generator, the energy is stored by the same phenomenon in question, which in my experiment is actually a series of energy spikes that are measured not in volts but in joules; a transient response defined by a mathematical product of voltage, current, and time.
These multitudes of voltage spikes are created by a rapid buildup and decay of the magnetic field, which induce energy into the aerial. Voltage spikes may be longitudinal (common) mode or metallic (normal or differential) mode.
The effect of these voltage spikes produces corresponding increases in current (current spike). However some voltage spikes may be created by current sources. Voltage would increase as necessary so that a constant current will flow. Currents from a discharging inductor is one example, an inductor is a medium that can store an electrical charge.
In free space it can also be in the form of the dielectricity from the surrounding medium of air. A dielectric is an electrical insulator that can be polarized by an applied electric field and creates the DIPOLE (two poles). The phenomena of formation of dipole is called Polarization (Analogous to magnetization of magnetic dipole).
Polarization can occur in 4 ways:- 1. Electronic Polarization, i.e. Cloud of electrons moves in direction of electric field.2. Orientation Polarization. 3. Space Charge Polarization.4. Atomic Ionic Polarization.
So must be due to electronic polarization and/or a space charge polarization similar to a common form of energy storage device such as a parallel-plate capacitor or in my experiment the capacity of the surrounding structures and air, the "dielectric" in principle in free space."
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This post is by way of courtesy from Spacecase0. His insight to critical parts of this long story have provided what I think is now a near complete understanding of the basic principles driving the ARV.

The Kowsky and Frost story is an important part in understanding the ARV. It may seem unrelated and a magical like story to some, and because it's aged and it's cloaked with a back-tracked story intending to make it appear a hoax, the story itself becomes the focus instead of what the experiment is telling us.

I did not see this but Spacecase0 did.

As Spacecase0 pointed out, the real secret to the ARV is in the so-called capacitors. These are piezo-electric capacitors (*I think anyways), but what the Kowsky Frost Experiment shows is a kind of special quality in specific crystals. We can trace the understanding of this discovery then to the specifics of the ARV's supposed capacitor construction. This quality is the permittivity of the crystal, and this permittivity is then linked via a Biefield Brown Vacuum Polarization effect that takes place by an applied RF wave.

Originally then, the discovery of super permittivity in some crystallines is covered over, and it's only later that once this is understood that the addition of piezo-electricity is piggybacked on the understanding in the creative form of the ARV.

It's my present thought that the disc creates a magnetic wave which is also a controllable wave. Energy is metered across the disc controlling the quantity of energy passing through it. This can create wave forms in the magnetic field which is created by the disc, and these waves are projected vertically as a magnetic waves, which is an electromagnetic wave and which is/can be a RF wave.

So again, what we have is another case of understanding being piggybacked upon by adding a piezo-electric quality to the Kowsky Frost discovery of super permittivity in a crystal, and then later by adding a RF producing magnetic wave plate above the piezo-electric generating capacitors. The magnetic wave being the productive part of the piezo-electric energy production unit because the capacitors incorporate reactive metals. Diamagnetic metals would assist the deformative process which generates the piezo-electric effect in the capacitors.

The whole contraption works upon vacuum polarization principles inducing a vibrational frequency in the piezo-electric capacitors which is controllable and tunable. It's also creating electrical energy for conversion via the piezo-electric capacitor plates and recycling the expended energy through a RF receiver.

This is my present best and most concise explanation for the ARV's operating system. Spacecase0 probably has a slightly different understanding and nothing is considered set in stone: None of us are hovering around on boards and until that happens everything is subject to revision.
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am asking around about replicating this

Experiments: Experiment 10

the resources available to the open source community are staggering !!

any other simple experiments which you would consider ? coatings are all the rage these days ,especially nano coatings .

you're one cool Dude !!

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Experiments: Experiment 10

the resources available to the open source community are staggering !!

any other simple experiments which you would consider ? coatings are all the rage these days ,especially nano coatings .

you're one cool Dude !!

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the spinning CD thing as part of a high voltage motor is something I have done before with other spinning disks (before CDs were out there),
and they sure spin,
I tried plastic disks and carbide grinding wheels
and used needle points and not spheres as electrodes,
never tried to put a magnetic field on it while it was spinning,
but can't imagine this taking very long to reproduce
my question is, what would reproducing it show us ?
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Experiments: Experiment 10

the resources available to the open source community are staggering !!

any other simple experiments which you would consider ? coatings are all the rage these days ,especially nano coatings .

you're one cool Dude !!

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Thank you for the complement Ramset.

To answer you directly, I don't have any suggestions right now. I'll have to let the grey cells compute for a while. Sometimes they do things without telling me about it: My mind plays tricks on me.

However, despite my many failing, I won't be the only one wearing a dunce cap when the fat lady sings. I feel that Universe is preparing to place a giant dunce cap on heads of "officially approved deniers" Just bet sites like this one vanish overnight. Of course they will then say they never said any such thing.
Hutchison hoax - The Skeptic's Dictionary - Skepdic.com

I do know there's a couple people roundabouts who have more advanced information. Hopefully information will begin leaking out more and more as we ourselves unravel the supposed fantasy illustration of Mr. McCandlish which, amazingly now, seems not so fantastical after all.

Now I haven't studied Tomions' work, but he held several patents and which are quite advanced and related. Mark Tomions story is seemingly typical and maddening as well having passed on suddenly and somewhat mysteriously. Where's there's smoke there's fire. Understanding here that Mark's death isn't automatically a result of black ops assassination, but probably is, however we must understand that we ourselves are biological beings monkeying with Universe: Caution and safety procedures. The forces of Universe work in the conceptual ideas underlying these machines.

Mark R. Tomion. Electrodynamic field generator
https://www.google.com/patents/US6404089
Mark Tomion -- Electrodynamic Field Generator
ZPEnergy.com - Mark Tomion (Stardrive device) has passed away in June


There's a lot in this machine which John Hutchison has experience with. It's probably wise to visit John's site. Remember this is the unknown for us peons. We have little to go on other than stories about what can happen.
Teleportation
Experiments
John Hutchison -- "The Hutchison Effect" -- Antigravity & disruption effects -- articles & movies

Alternatively, the pay offs in unraveling the puzzle are huge for us little people. One can only imagine the fun you could have cold casting metals. This is something the Russians supposedly have been capable of doing since the 80's. Just imagine what one could do with some plaster molds and a way to make metal flow without thermal energy. Home manufacturing never got any simpler (smile).

I don't think the system is so fearful of us people building ships and fleeing to Mars or wherever else so much as it is the idea that we won't need them any more. Home energy, home manufacturing, transmutation, and evidently teleportation are seemingly all involved in the principles underlying these machines, as well as what also appears to me to be some kind of time travel like quality.

Haven't had time to sink my teeth in here, but >Blink-Blink!>Ph.D. experimental nuclear physicist.
http://www.doctorkoontz.com/
http://www.doctorkoontz.com/Logs/index.htm
Log book example _ L00K...even if this is beyond you. Scroll through it. Notice the drawings and materials again repeatedly the same as elsewhere.
http://www.doctorkoontz.com/Logs/Log%20Book%2007.htm

John Hutchison Youtube home channel
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCPH...9EVjDx6BOeZwxQ

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new idea

so I went back and re read the wilbert smith info while keeping in mind all I have learned in this thread.
the section that seems to most apply is the one on gravity control that starts at page 61 of this PDF
http://www.resonantfractals.org/Wilb...TensorBeam.pdf
he was trying to make a spinning magnetic field to alter the time field, and altering the time field was how he planned on controlling gravity.
first he said that the only way a magnetic field will spin is to spin it at 90 degrees to the magnetic field lines (not possible to have it spin along the field lines)
to verify that the idea was correct he set up ceramic block magnets pointed up and down, and then put them in the outside edge of a disk and physically spun them. he said this worked. so he then want about trying to make a spinning magnetic field with electrical switching (as mechanical spinning fast enough is just not possible).
he was having issues with the fields combining and not actually making the required spinning field. (I have personally set up switched magnetic coils that would be arranged to make a spinning field, and it does not make the spin field, and he got the same not working result)

so looking at the layout of the ARV,
you have a giant electromagnet pointed up and down powered by the homo polar generator that also uses that magnetic field.
this sort of a self excited homo polar generator can make a magnetic field that is very very large. and by the steel ball that the crew and disk are housed in, it would have to be well past the magnetic saturation of the steel. so, very very large magnetic field.

and then you have electrical switching of high voltage into capacitors making a spinning field.
it occurred to me that the point of these capacitors might be to break up the magnetic field into slices and force it to spin.
you could get it to spin at any rate you wanted that way.

if this is the case, then the electrogravic effect of the expanded crystals in the capacitors would likely only be used for steering control and not as a main drive

and then I would then wonder if the "oxygen tanks" in the drawing were really large electromagnetic coils meant to recover energy that powers the system.
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Need a like button Spacecase0. Will have to compute this for a while but those are good ideas for sure.

Also refer back to the people at Spacewarp Dynamics which you linked me up with some time ago, and this page specficially on "The Science Behind Bruce Gernon’s Flight."
spacewarp

If you're a follower of this thread then please take a look at the work these people have been involved with doing; they have been at it for quite a while. I find the space drive antenna system very interesting since it so closely matches descriptions of hieroglyphic like writing reported on other supposed alien space craft.
spacewarp

spacewarp | Space Warp 3D fractal design

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_c...&v=ovDV711BszM

These people are working on engineering space using warp field metrics. A concept I found hard to understand for quite a while, but essentially this is what Harold E. Puthoff is writing about in his papers on Spacetime Metric's. Frankly metrics as applied to the so-called engineering of spacetime is a baffeling and unhelpful choice of terminology, even if it it is a somewhat accurate statement. The ARV is also engineering the vacuum of space time with it's analog like system, whereas these people are working a solid state version: Transistor Radios as compared to Vacuum Tube Radios don't seem to resemble each other very much but they are both radios, and so now the idea here is to begin to make connections between these two forms; the analog version of metric engineering spacetime, and the solid state version of metric engineering spacetime.

Typically an analog system is much easier to comprehend and thus is helpful in understanding the solid state version. Although the folks at Spacewarp Dynamics are obviously on the right track, they have little resources and no real visible support. It's not like Lockheed has beaten a pathway to the front door and this is itself telling. Now why do you suppose that would be? Remember these things?

https://dandare.wordpress.com/2008/0...ing-on-part-1/
https://web.archive.org/web/20080409...rtunecity.com/

Advanced Space Propulsion Based on Vacuum (Spacetime Metric) Engineering
https://arxiv.org/abs/1204.2184

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C1sUE_oUcAIMXLx.jpg
https://twitter.com/swarpdynamics
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thank you for the reminder of the other methods this is done, and there appears to be a common element to it
it sure looks like a magnetic field pointed up, and spinning in a horizontal circle is how this is done.
the ARV uses a standard magnetic field and cuts it up and spins it with an electric field and has integrated electrogravics for steering
the drone thing appears to do the same thing, only it uses open wires on top, and external electrogravics for steering
the holographic antenna of the spacewarp people makes the magnetic and electric field all wrapped up together in complex shapes, and I don't think I can model that in my head

by looking at the pictures of the drone thing, on the inside of it you can see either insulators or coils between the base of the verticalish rods.
and you don't put external components with clearance somewhere when they are not high voltage, they look like 6 to 8 inches, so that should tell about the voltages involved. and that seems close to the reported in the ARV. also reminds me of what I have seen of voltage required to entirely strip the electrons from the outside of an element
sure I may have got this wrong, but at least it it gives some sort of starting point.
suppose I should use wilbert smith's rotating magnets to get some idea of how fast the fields need to be spun, that should tell if it can be done with physical switches (like a car distributor), or if it must be done with electrical switching to be fast enough
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thank you for the reminder of the other methods this is done, and there appears to be a common element to it
it sure looks like a magnetic field pointed up, and spinning in a horizontal circle is how this is done.
the ARV uses a standard magnetic field and cuts it up and spins it with an electric field and has integrated electrogravics for steering
the drone thing appears to do the same thing, only it uses open wires on top, and external electrogravics for steering
the holographic antenna of the spacewarp people makes the magnetic and electric field all wrapped up together in complex shapes, and I don't think I can model that in my head

by looking at the pictures of the drone thing, on the inside of it you can see either insulators or coils between the base of the verticalish rods.
and you don't put external components with clearance somewhere when they are not high voltage, they look like 6 to 8 inches, so that should tell about the voltages involved. and that seems close to the reported in the ARV. also reminds me of what I have seen of voltage required to entirely strip the electrons from the outside of an element
sure I may have got this wrong, but at least it it gives some sort of starting point.
suppose I should use wilbert smith's rotating magnets to get some idea of how fast the fields need to be spun, that should tell if it can be done with physical switches (like a car distributor), or if it must be done with electrical switching to be fast enough
Thanks Spacecase0, well I noticed some of what you're talking about as well. Going to have think more about these now that we are no longer clueless. One thing you can bet on though, if these are ours, and they are obviously, then these drones are invisible and very likely not half as uncommon as we imagine. There is some discussion of cloaking at the SpaceWarp Dynamics site. Considering what is known about cloaking it's assured that these would be cloaked normally.

Again, I'm not buying this Alien Technology stuff. Something else is going to have to prove that to me and this isn't it. Could also be that these antenna are receiving microwaves for power remotely, but interesting how they were photographed lurking about the power lines like there was a reason. I think it's pretty clear that these are very likely secret surveillance drones.
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I'm surprised no one has commented on the Big Basin Drone images. I know many people have dismissed this incident and that it has faded in to memory.
As a result I'm posting this link where a superior analysis was done on the supposed linguistics of these drone. I think this is very convincing evidence, but still doesn't refute the images themselves or the people who reported them.

Aerial Drone Mystery Report

FYI. Supposedly this was all a marketing ploy for Dell Computers Alien Ware. Nevertheless, I would be cautious of leaping to the conclusion that this was a prank by a corporation as a marketing scheme as sold here and elsewhere. Older people will recall the stir these made at the time coming with a supposed story about alien vehicles, secret research labs, and stolen papers that made their way out in to the net under the name of project C.A.R.E.T.
The "CARET" Program - Explanation for Drone UFO Sightings in California

This has clearly turned out to be a black op cover story. Obviously prepared beforehand. The writing on the vehicles themselves would be the most logical pre-planned course to take so that the cover story could be used if any were photographed or brought down by someone. Finally the final finishigng nail in the cover story being the breaking of the lettering on the supposed photographs. Thus convincingly proving it was all a hoax done as a marketing scheme.

However, I don't see where Dell Computer ever owned up to having pulled this stunt, which even if they did wouldn't mean a whole lot.

Real Drones this advanced (over ten years ago now) would never be let out without some pre-arranged cover to explain away photographs or evidence.
Put it all together, all the information you've heard, read, and have seen, and the truth is these are real. They are outside our homes most likely, probably watching specific people or locations, and what's illusion is a story about a marketing ploy. You got a reason to be paranoid now.
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