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Old 10-23-2017, 05:22 PM
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I found out, when I pulse a bifilar coil with back emf, it creates a resonance between the dielectric field and a third field.

This third field has no magnetic properties.

Normally the field is resonating between the dielectric field and the magnetic field.
Both these fields can be measured.

But when pulsed with back emf, I can only measure the voltage of the dielectric field. When this Sine wave is zero volts, the energy of the dielectric field is transformed into another field.

this video tells more about it:

https://youtu.be/X0axISEVNVk
Hello Evostars
I hope I am not repeating someone else's post. One of Eric Dollard's early Borderlands videos demonstrates longitudinal magneto-dielectric waves, and shows how resonance will separate dielectricity from magnetism at the same time. I've cued it up to just before the demonstration.
https://youtu.be/LwFWx5RkwDE?t=1265

So, according to this piece, it would seem that with resonance, you have voltage separated from amperage (magnetism) and the presence of the third field (longitudinal).

It would seem that Vladimir Utkin also talks about the same 3 fields in his PDFs that have been circulating around. I don't have time to post it right now, but if someone else doesn't, will get to it this week.
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Hello evostars !


very nice video; i would like to see your explanation using some drawings if possible, because you talk about three fields and they interact with each other, i am also working with similar idea which is the extended Tesla bifilar coil, in short the ETBC, this coil show double frequency compared normal parallel LC with the same value of C and L ! this is to be expected because instead of 2 field ( magnetic And electric in ordinary parallel LC ) we have another radiant field .. i hope to see your explanation !

thanks in advance
I'dont really understand what you are asking, extended bifilar tesla coil? sound interesting. The capacity of a bifilar coil, can only be calculated from the measured inductance, and the resonant frequency. A larger capacitance (by series connection of the bifilar coil) lowers the resonant frequency.

I see the magnetic field as a double (water) vortex.
I think the third field, is like a ring vortex.
These 2 vortexes are much alike, there is only a difference of rotation.
the magnetic vortex, spins inward as a (phi) spiral. and then outwards again in the other "pole"vortex.
The ring vortex spins inwards, as a circle, containing its energy. Therefor it is not polarized.

The ring vortex, is created by a back emf.
This voltage is negative as related to the voltage that created the magnetic field where the back emf is created by.
This negative sign, might imply a different spin direction.

This is still speculation.

but the resonance induced by the back emf, has no magnetic properties...
so it must be a different field.

Maybe we cant directly observe the third field, but we can see the effect it has on the magnetic and dielectric fields (in resonance).

I ordered parts to further explore this.
I hope to use a enhancement mosfet, and trigger it with a back emf pulse.
This way I'm able to very shortly interrupt a strong current in a coil.
create stong back emf. etc...
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Old 10-24-2017, 09:59 AM
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Hello Evostars
I hope I am not repeating someone else's post. One of Eric Dollard's early Borderlands videos demonstrates longitudinal magneto-dielectric waves, and shows how resonance will separate dielectricity from magnetism at the same time. I've cued it up to just before the demonstration.
https://youtu.be/LwFWx5RkwDE?t=1265

So, according to this piece, it would seem that with resonance, you have voltage separated from amperage (magnetism) and the presence of the third field (longitudinal).

It would seem that Vladimir Utkin also talks about the same 3 fields in his PDFs that have been circulating around. I don't have time to post it right now, but if someone else doesn't, will get to it this week.
Bob
Thanks for sharing Bob!

this quote from Bedini:
"so again the term Free Energy is wrong as you must put some form of energy in to start the process of conversion and hope you get more out.
Just remember that the energy cannot be destroyed it can only be converted into another form"
I totally agree on. It takes energy to recycle it. and make use of its flow.

With resonance the fields are split indeed.
At one time the dielectric field is maximum. than it transforms into the other field, which becomes maximum. so the other field is zero.

We can see the magnetic field when the voltage is zero.
but now with the back EMF, when the resonant sine becomes zero, the magnetic field isnt there. so there must be a different field.
(i keep saying it, because its so important).

Vladimir Utkin? interesting! I'd love to see it.

I'm not often on the forums, as I feel it distracts me. So PM me if you want a quicker reply.
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interesting:
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http://www.free-energy-info.tuks.nl/VladimirUtkin2.htm
info about bifilar coils, fields, and back emf (instant energetic pulses)
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How about simple explanation... ? The third field is ....you know what it is, it's around us
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Old 10-24-2017, 06:36 PM
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10 times the magnetic strength.

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Comparing the magnetic fields of regular and 4 inch diameter bifilar coil
using a trifield meter. Significant improvement with bifilar where the application
does not need a pancake layout.

Both arduino signal generators set the same
the larger bifilar having over 10 times the strength.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iwvA0ebhvfI
@Mikrovolt,

Excellent video; Mighty impressive results. Your number of video views are very modest compared to the importance of your content. This puzzles me?

Mikrovolt's video reinforces my demonstration video of locking 48 hex nuts with the same single spark and longer wire as 6. Imagine that! Mikrovolt generates 10 times the magnetic force with the same input pulse simply by adding copper wire to his larger bifilar coil.
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Old 10-24-2017, 11:19 PM
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Thanks allen, hopefully we get closer and closer to understanding the phenomena.
Possibly the larger inside circumference relates also ?
I was wondering if accelerating charges might be part of the distance
inside was significant to the current to gauss with bifiliar pancake coils.
again having an uninhibited acceleration path for flow has always plagued long coils.
I tested one like the video long ago inspired by black chisel that used a coil that shape.

Looking at Tesla's objective regarding current. eliminating the condenser
in order to neutralize self inductance, to overcome the slow flow nature of conventional inductor coils.


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Tesla, in his patent (512340):
In electric apparatus or systems in which alternating currents are employed the self-induction of the coils or conductors may, and, in fact, in many cases does operate disadvantageously by giving rise to false currents which often reduce what is known as the commercial efficiency of the apparatus composing the system or operate detrimentally in other respects.

The effects of self-induction, above referred to, are known to be neutralized by proportioning to a proper degree the capacity of the circuit with relation to the self-induction and frequency of the currents.

This has been accomplished heretofore by the use of condensers constructed and applied as separate instruments.

My present invention has for its object to avoid the employment of condensers which are expensive, cumbersome and difficult to maintain in perfect condition, and to so construct the coils themselves as to accomplish the same ultimate object.

I have found that in every coil there exists a certain relation between its self-induction and capacity that permits a current of given frequency and potential to pass through it with no other opposition than that of ohmic resistance,

or, in other words, as though it possessed no self-induction.

This is due to the mutual relations existing between the special character of the current and the self-induction and capacity of the coil, the latter quantity being just capable of neutralizing the self-induction for that frequency.

It is well-known that the higher the frequency or potential difference of the current the smaller the capacity required to counteract the self-induction

end of tesla quote

To me this says the bifilar coil, is dodging lenz law (which isnt a law, but a observation) OR only a law like ohms law. ohms law aplies to DC circuit. high frequency AC pulsed circuits, is a different story (where resistance is frequency dependent, and phase related)
@ bob
the third field produced by waveguides does exist.
Not normally taught in electronics the perpendicular near field component waves
in the air repeat once the metallic dipole propagates the first.
This field continues after previous field line unlike having only single metallic dipole.

https://youtu.be/JYKEZATy4Fk
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Old 10-28-2017, 01:06 AM
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Power gain from adding wire.

Here's perhaps Bruce TPU's coolest video; Bruce demonstrates voltage climbing
as he adds lengths of copper wire end to end in series:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X1uzG0G0NIA
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Old 10-28-2017, 01:11 PM
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More magnetic field strength with less input.

Here's another excellent video by "zeropoint 132" demonstrating how additional wire doubles magnetic field strength while more then halving the input, reinforcing Mikrovolt's bifilar magnetic strength comparison test:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cbFqVh7GdGk
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Old 10-28-2017, 01:26 PM
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More magnetic field strength with less input.

Faraday's law mentions a magnetic field in motion generating electrical current. "Zeropoint 132's" video test is using a single uninterrupted D.C. current pulse.

Microvolt is pulsing his bifilar repeatedly, so a receiver coil of equal copper mass and configuration, in wave length distance, would generate A.C. current at the increased level!

The formula would be: 1unit of input, times 1 unit of copper mass would equal I unit of output; 1 unit of input, times 2 units of copper mass would equal 2 units of output!
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Old 10-28-2017, 05:57 PM
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Negative Quadfilar Inductance.

I'm preparing a video for uploading right now. I wound two serial bifilar coils together in a spiral wrap. I connected the two serial bifilar coils together in series and measured the inductance. I set the inductance meter to the 20 Henry scale. The two ends of the eight wires went to the measuring electrodes.

What you'll see in the video is the inductance increasing spontaneously in the negative range to 20 negative Henrys then OL. I reversed the electrodes from positive to negative, and still got a reading of inductance in the negative range steadily increasing to 20 Henrys then OL.

Here's the really exciting part: I clamped two ceramic block magnets in attraction around the end of a plastic tie and held them to the Quadfilar air core hole while holding the test electrodes in the inductance meter; A very noticeable and powerful swinging was induced in the suspended magnets both from each side of the coil and with the magnets turned around. Stand by for the video!
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Old 10-28-2017, 06:49 PM
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Failed upload.

I'm on my fourth failed attempt to upload this video off my "Huawei" android phone. I'm planning to re-video record another with my Toshiba laptop. This constitutes a landmark video; Please be patient, I won't disappoint anyone, I promise!
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Old 10-28-2017, 07:51 PM
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Quadfilar resonance spontaeneously building a magnetic force in "Negative Henrys".

This first video finally uploaded: I'll follow up with a second demonstrating the induced magnet field oscillation. This will prove once and for all that a real magnetic field is building spontaeneously in the Quadfilar coil, measured by the inductance meter in "Negative Henrys".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XHyL8uusX7A
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Old 10-29-2017, 06:57 PM
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Speaker wire bifilar.

@evostars,

I couldn't help being impressed by your PHI factor speaker wire bifilar pancake coil. Surly you can appreciate my Quadfilar spiral 2 double speaker wire coil.

I have some measurements I would like you to try and make on your coil to compare with mine:

I have four ends from the same twin wire. The two ends of the same single wire measures 68 MegaOhms, and the two ends of the different unconnected wires measures 9 Mega Ohms.

The two ends of the same single wire measures negative 5 Henrys and the two ends of the different wires measures a positive .3 mH.

I'm certain our speaker wires are the same length and gauge. What do you make of these measurements?
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Oscillating "Quadfilar Spiral" magnet field.

I'm astonished to witness the spontaneously oscillating field of my "Quadfilar Spiral Coil" rocking a stack of 8 tiny 1/4" Neo disk magnets suspended nearby by rubber bands. This coil is alive with no power attached at all. Just incredible!
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Quadfilar with 2" Neo sphere spinner in the air core.

This Quadfilar coil powered very strong Neo spheres; The 1" sphere at "Pre Mach" velocity. These repeated magnet spins must have had a deep effect on the orbital alignment of the electrons. The altered copper atoms in the wires may have even transmuted the element into a higher isotope:
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Old 10-29-2017, 09:22 PM
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5 Teslas & 68 Megaohms.

68 million Ohms and 5 Teslas of magnetic force inside that single solid copper conductor. That's what these measurments are telling us! The coil may be radioactive and emitting Gamma radiation. I'm locking the coil in the trunk of my car down in the parking lot to be on the safe side!
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Transmutation of elements.

Dr. Mehran Tavakoli Keshe stated that he transmuted 5 metric tons of gold for Muammar Gaddafy; Staring with spin coils of Tungsten wire, it should be possible to restructure the electron shells to transmute the conductor to the near element of Platinum with the correct spin frequency and Neo sphere Gauss.
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New material strength.

We could pull a freight train with a thin length of this super strength wire. Imagine the farads of capacitance a dielectric of this new material would yield, coupled with a nano carbon super conductor.
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Old 10-30-2017, 09:18 AM
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Allen,
The reason for starting a separate thread would respect the original
posting Evostar began discussing What Tesla had said about his patented pancake coil whereas the subject of variant bifiiar coils
might be too divergent here, a more generalized discussion of variant bifilar might work out as new topic.
That way the material that he worked on will be easier for someone to follow later.

Inductors should be measured within a reasonable range for a given frequency.
Also the meter is going crazy with big bifilars because it is not a complex inductance meter.
Using Wheatstone's inductance bridge would need a design modification where the reference inductor is bifilar.
As the video showed the Gauss was strong over a frequency range. That formula may need to be derived.
Proving what you are saying and having the right setup may actually show you are correct for these inductors.

However Tesla's bifilar pancake function is mathematically different as stated in his patent.

Some here are already aware of the variant differences so
we must be reasonable as guest on this thread to be careful using meters based on standard inductance configuration.

Remembering what happens on the overunity forum further speculation is not fair to the author and likely
to lead to some awkward reply and then any retaliation would be considered bad behavior. kss my ask for example
Shooting oneself in the foot is not preferred over moving to a new thread, in line
with any new EQ emotional intelligence guidelines what board member Paul Babcock stated that those should be warned then
if they persist should be removed. This discussion happened just before the last convention and a policy may have been
adopted by Aaron for here also. So we simply apologize and move new thread rather than offend as off topic, please.
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Old 10-30-2017, 10:32 AM
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Lorentz's force law.

@Mikrovolt,

Thanks for your input. The inference that my comments are off topic on a thread that focuses on the magnetic field of a bifilar coil I find mistaken. The value of the "Negative Henry" in measuring magnetic force grew controversial. My original position remains unchanged.

Take a look at this description of "Lorentz's Force Law" as it applies to the 10x magnetic force increase on your larger bifilar coil:

The Lorentz force equation; F = Field strength in Tesla x Length of wire effectively in the field in meters x Current flowing through the wire in Amps.

You imply in your video that the custom circuit you designed and offer for sale (Spooky2) is the "secret" behind the 10x magnification of the larger bifilar coil and not the simple arithmetic I outlined above. There's no "Hocus Pocus" involved with the law I printed above. Your motive for ridiculing me is therefore somewhat spurious.
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Allen I have known you some time now and have been peaceful with you
I recall many of your posts and comments. Also want to see your work with
those coils continue. Making improvement and not getting booted.

Sorry I have no intention of any ridicule at all in fact I would like to see
you succeed in solving the phenomena. You may have to refresh my
memory on the math that it works for that type of bifilar.
I would like to see that put into an inductance bridge design.
That way people can see the math agrees.

The video and the spooky2 is not mine. I am glad you responded
to that post. You can accomplish the same thing by starting yours
or mine I am interested in making use of that increased magnetic
field strength per watt and missed the part about the spooky2 claim !
also like to solve what is really going on with negative inductance.
I am agreeable with going further on that. Hopefully on a different thread
That is why I posted the video because it supports bifilar as an improvement.

I also have posted a lot videos in hopes of picking up the forum.
Feel free to private message me anytime I feel we can work
out any issues as often our work does feel personal but the goal
is the same. I pick up on most implications that
you have posted over the years. Right now I really need
some cooperation and resolve. Thanks Joe
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Old 10-30-2017, 08:48 PM
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@Mikrovolt,

I really don't understand your urgency about starting new threads. What's the problem with using this thread? I'm testing a bifilar coil for a magnetic field; Why do you feel that's an inappropriate subject for this thread when it's spot on?

Evostars just wound a bifilar coil with the same speaker wire I used on my spiral coil. I just asked him to make some inductance measurements. Why do you want to start acting pushy with me?
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Allen, I believe your quadfilar coils have serious merit and deserve their own thread. I think this is all Mikrovolt is saying. I've been intrigued since seeing your quadfilar coil self-powering LEDs on YouTube, and would like to know more (in fact, I went out and bought a four stranded spool of speaker wire to try it out).

I think this thread would benefit from your findings, but things will move ahead more clearly if the discussion stays focused on flat series wound coils as per Evo's original design.

Again, let me emphasize that I feel your quadfilar coil findings have merit very worthy of their own thread. As things become more politically uncertain, many of us would welcome the chance to find a source of ambient energy to help power out homes or at least lights, should the grid experience trouble. I for one would like to see your quadfilar research get some serious consideration in a dedicated thread.
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@Bob Smith,

Thanks Bob, I value you opinions very highly. I think the new thread would be bettor suited for the Overunity web site where I contribute as member Synchro1.

One last parting observation: I believe that the copper wire has transmuted into the element Molybdenum. I plan to place two segments of wire, one copper and the other the silver grayish wire from the Quadfilar, into a crucible and raise the temperature to the melting point of copper; If they both melt, that will tell us I'm wrong; If the copper segment melts and the grayish wire doesn't, we'll know transmutation occurred.
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Speaker wire pancake bifilar coil.

@evostars,

Your speaker wire coil is not a pancake bifilar with one wire over the other instead of alongside. Take a minute to examine how the speaker wires lay flat in my spiral configuration. This video gives us a view of the spiral quadfilar without the electrical tape:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9XMfCpUzq_g
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Tesla bifilar coil

In the patent he said some thing I didn't understand about the energy in the coil it was a big number but confusing he talked different than most .any idea about what he was saying ??also I read in one of Rex's papers when he use paper .about a company in Utah Borden I think it was a research place .well they showed a graph with two pancake coils one was bifilar coil the results were that at resonance the bifilar coil showed 8 times more energy output than the standard pancake coil for the same in put ....there's the point I saw a patent a about a motor made of disk neos in a circular layout .like Muller's but even magnets moving and even magnets stationary they were north facing north ...I think ?...and a small pancake coil on the stationary neos .it ran at 20,000 rpm and on a small 9 volt battery .what if it had these bifilar coils instead ...what 8 to 10 times less energy needed to run it ??. Might be worth a build !!.. Hay if you can explain that big number to me I would be great full. Jim
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@evostars,

Your speaker wire coil is not a pancake bifilar with one wire over the other instead of alongside. Take a minute to examine how the speaker wires lay flat in my spiral configuration. This video gives us a view of the spiral quadfilar without the electrical tape:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9XMfCpUzq_g
tesla claims in his patent 512340:
1. A coil for electric apparatus the adjacent convolutions of which form parts of the circuit between which there exists a potential difference sufficient to secure in the coil a capacity capable of neutralizing its self-induction, as hereinbefore described.

2. A coil composed of contiguous or adjacent insulated conductors electrically connected in series and having a potential difference of such value as to give to the coil as a whole, a capacity sufficient to neutralize its self-induction, as set forth.


So its about the voltage difference created between the windings. By series connecting two coils.

If you take a single pancake coil (unifilar)
And place a second pancake coil on top (also unifilar)
And connect them in series, the inside of the top, to the outside of the bottom,
There will be a voltage difference between both coil windings.
If 100V is applied, the top coil will have 100 volt on the outside and 50 volt on the inside.
the bottom coil will have 50 volts on the outside, and 0 volt on the inside.

So between the outside windings of the the top and bottom coil, there is a voltage of 100V and 50V. giving a difference of 50V.
In other words, we have increased the capacity of the combined coil.

The difference:
the dielectric plane is in between the two coil layers. right between the north magnetic field component, and the south magnetic field component.
And it is much easier to roll.
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