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Old 04-19-2017, 11:08 AM
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Finished building coils. I also made a single wire pancake, to be connected to the pulse genereator. It didnt make sense to use the bifilar coil with the pulse generator. The impedance is much to low to have a proper power transfer, so I will use a standard pancake coil, which has a higher impedance.
Its the dark one in the middle.
I already had one, so now I've got 5 bifilar coils, and 2 single wire bifilar coils (to connect in series with the IGBT pulse generator)
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Indeed for cancelation to happen with sound, it needs to be the same frequency, and out of phase.
The frequency is the same on both coils, and the signal is out of phase. So why do the voltages add up?

"The mastery is all inside of your creative mind that is the candle
of the self existent one."
Nice One! but I dont really understand, is this a quote from somewhere?
the self existent one, what does that mean?
I think as long as the receiver coil gives the forced cancellation
war a venting location then it takes the path of least resistance.

Just speculation.

And on another note "YES" it is from a quote

The spirit of the man IS the candle of the LORD, searching the
inward parts.


In another people can search out the deep things of existence
as we have all been wonderfully made. Able to ascend into
high things and come back with the answer.

Nothing is beyond man. BTW "The SELF EXISTENT ONE" is the
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Great progress guys, when you get a break look at these.


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Super cool, thanks for sharing!
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Finished building coils. I also made a single wire pancake, to be connected to the pulse genereator. It didnt make sense to use the bifilar coil with the pulse generator. The impedance is much to low to have a proper power transfer, so I will use a standard pancake coil, which has a higher impedance.
Its the dark one in the middle.
I already had one, so now I've got 5 bifilar coils, and 2 single wire bifilar coils (to connect in series with the IGBT pulse generator)
Beautiful!
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I think as long as the receiver coil gives the forced cancellation
war a venting location then it takes the path of least resistance.

Just speculation.

And on another note "YES" it is from a quote

The spirit of the man IS the candle of the LORD, searching the
inward parts.


In another people can search out the deep things of existence
as we have all been wonderfully made. Able to ascend into
high things and come back with the answer.

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thanks for sharing. It looks alot like i have in my mind. except for the G generator.
I want to bring them into resonance via loose coupling. not directly connected to the pulse generator.
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I connected the two single wire pancake coil in series, to my IGBT pulse driver.
The IGBT became extremely hot(much hotter than with a bifilarcoil).
I guess this is because of the back emf produced, by the pulsed coils.
To avoid it, i should use a diode and a resistor in parallel with the coil, to burn the energy of the back emf.

So, I guess I will be making another bifilar pancake coil...

isnt it funny, that the bifilar coil doesnt produce this troublesome back emf?

But telsa in his patent states, the back emf of a normal single wire coil, can be fixed with capacitance... but how? should I use a cpacitor instead of a diode in parallel? I dont get it. Or maybe a fast diode and a capacitor?

I must say... these bifilar coils have their advantage (the IGBT stays cool)
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Old 04-20-2017, 11:44 AM
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finished winding my 6th bifilar pancake coil. best one i made so far.

the 2 single wire pancake coils could be used as a bifilar coil when series connected. perfect for a output power coil

now the bifilar pancake coils will need to be tuned with parallel caps, so they all resonate at the same frequency. its just like making music.
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I just tested my 3 new bifilar pancake coils. They have bigger capacitance (measured between the 2 windings when not connected). and as predicted, the resonant frequency is lower, than my other 3 coils (with lower capacitance, and higher resonant frequency).

And how lucky I am, the 3 coils dont have to be tuned. the top and bottom coil are a perfect match.
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Math on mutual inductance of bifilar coils. here we see other
concerns not just self inductance but mutual something that
must be addressed in a bifilar.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=2&cad=rja&u act=8&ved=0ahUKEwi92Nnv-rPTAhXlslQKHXwDDjYQFggmMAE&url=http%3A%2F%2Fnvlpub s.nist.gov%2Fnistpubs%2Fjres%2F24%2Fjresv24n6p597_ A1b.pdf&usg=AFQjCNHmu9L2ZIviLzZviHJ6lkLEYHBC6g&sig 2=VvsARkCESgfWiZAQ3HQedw
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Old 04-21-2017, 12:34 AM
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No back EMF.

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I connected the two single wire pancake coil in series, to my IGBT pulse driver.
The IGBT became extremely hot(much hotter than with a bifilarcoil).
I guess this is because of the back emf produced, by the pulsed coils.
To avoid it, i should use a diode and a resistor in parallel with the coil, to burn the energy of the back emf.

So, I guess I will be making another bifilar pancake coil...

isnt it funny, that the bifilar coil doesnt produce this troublesome back emf?

But telsa in his patent states, the back emf of a normal single wire coil, can be fixed with capacitance... but how? should I use a cpacitor instead of a diode in parallel? I dont get it. Or maybe a fast diode and a capacitor?

I must say... these bifilar coils have their advantage (the IGBT stays cool)
@evostars,

Stating that the bifilar produces no BEMF on the Overunity site would get you covered in a truck load of rotten fruit skins; Mostly from people who can't even perform a basic reluctance equation.
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Thansk for sharing. But its again all about inductance, not a word about capacitance. And those formulas break my head. I'm skipping this one.
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Stating that the bifilar produces no BEMF on the Overunity site would get you covered in a truck load of rotten fruit skins; Mostly from people who can't even perform a basic reluctance equation.
MAybe, I should post it, see what happens
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Thansk for sharing. But its again all about inductance, not a word about capacitance. And those formulas break my head. I'm skipping this one.

Hello Evo
I think you are right to skip the locked in feeling of these formula
that really only give us some direction about what others have used
in the past to engineer devices.

What we are doing and what they were using the formula for are two
different things however it does remind us of how the bifilar was used
since the turn of the 1900's and how their math was viewed.

For instance in many interviews renowned inventors have mentioned
that the early work of radio with the coil tuning, super-heterodyne
which is the mixing of frequencies so you end up with something else
as being an important key way into extra energy production.

So we have mutual and self inductance as well as all of the capacitance
values related to each fundamental. What I am trying point out is the
fact that much has been explored that helps us to see more clearly
about what we are looking for.

In another thought we see the advanced circuitry of surround sound
with all of it's over lapping cancellation to achieve a special effect so
if you are looking to effectively do cancellation testing you can review
past circuits. Maybe you need rigid control.

This points us to the complexity of better steering and tracking/
monitoring of the desired targeted wave forms. Shift registers, flip
flops, timers and more are now combined into a single chip for any
task.

You must narrow the bandwidth or accurately tighten and filter at
the same time have accurate enough measuring equipment that shows
you that you are getting what you want. This will lead to some
visible losses that can be seen even though some degree of success
is made.

There will always be some escaping component no matter how complex
your circuitry becomes. Canceling wave forms is a big subject that I have
come to understand better over time but I have little experience building.

Some I know in this field have stated that their forms of conflicting
intentional waveform cancellation devices caused heating, power
wasting until such time as the node or specific res or whatever we
want to hang on it was reached. At this point a a slight to moderate
dip in working current was noted while energy began funneling into the
project without explanation.

No math or formula has helped to foresee the direction the researcher
should take.

This conflicting wave pattern should by all normal engineering standards
represent a loss to the system and is cast way in our science today
by major university minds.

To bad for them. The facts are pointing into another path that shows
that conflicting interactive circuits might well be more than just a waste
of time. In the right setting the conflicts are said to be making a small
rip in the fabric of our space time.

The tears are instantly healed and the circuit keeps this opening
going for far less than the incoming repairing process. This is how
I have heard it described.
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Wilcke discovered and Volta perfected the "Electrophorus" about 1775 and described the device as "Elettro Perpetua" since, after a single initial excitation (charge), under ideal conditions (low humidity and leakage), the device gave off large spark discharges continually without further recharge - the effect was perpetual.

"If the shield is placed in communication with the prime conductor of an electrostatic machine (fig. 1), with the plate grounded, the capacitor formed by the shield and the plate, with the resin as dielectric, is strongly charged. If then the shield is touched, with the plate being touched at the same time (or if the plate and the operator are grounded), the capacitor is discharged by a strong spark, but a certain amount of charge, that moved to the surface of the resin, is not removed. By rising the shield it's noted that it is now charged with a polarity opposite to the polarity at the resin surface, also contrary to the polarity of the electrostatic machine used to charge the device. A similar effect can be obtained by charging the resin B by frictioning it with a dry hand, with a flanel, etc. (fig.5), placing then the shield over it and touching the shield and the plate, which is the most usual form of charging the electrophorus. The resin can continue with an useful charge for hours, even for several days, if the humidity of the air is low. It's interesting to note that the charging method using an electrostatic machine, although clearly mentioned by Volta (and that works very well, see the video below), is practically not mentioned in the posterior literature about the electrophorus." is a quote from this site:

Electrophorus

The point - many, if not all, the questions have already been answered in one way or another under various disiplines and topics; however, like in Volta's Electrophorus, some of the various characteristics are quite simply "practically not mentioned in the posterior literature."

Also, a focus on fueless generators or BTG has not been a topic of any real technical interest. We are generally educated to believe it is impossible so we do not seek it, and if we happen to encounter BTG by eureka, or whatever, it is dismissed as an anomaly or error, thus it is "practically not mentioned in the posterior literature."

As well; many of the "requirements" for achieving BTG are in fact counter or opposite to what is sought during conventional design engineering. For example, a super regenerative receiver is quenched long before BTG is reached since the objective is amplification of an external signal, not a fueless generator. A Traveling Wave Tube (TWT) Amplifier or Magnetron's design goal is not BTG.

The point - consider at least some of the existing relevant theory and science but do it from a 'different' prospective or point of view and extend the "practically not mentioned!"

Another Point possibly worth mentioning - pay particular attention to the "double integrals" often found in conventional equations!

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These are the related experiments:
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Nice colour BroMikey

your quote:
"Some I know in this field have stated that their forms of conflicting
intentional waveform cancellation devices caused heating, power
wasting until such time as the node or specific res or whatever we
want to hang on it was reached. At this point a a slight to moderate
dip in working current was noted while energy began funneling into the
project without explanation."

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Milehigh quote.

Quote from Milehigh,

"Therefore my questions still stand".

"What is the Tesla series bifilar pancake coil good for? What can you do with it"?

This is coming from a guy who puzzled over a question from me as synchro1 about inductance that any "High School Sophomore" could answer with little difficulty.
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Old 04-24-2017, 01:59 PM
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MAybe, I should post it, see what happens
Tesla states that the series bifilar pancake coil generates 250,000 the electrical potential as the single wire coil of equal turns. He goes on to state that it's the elevated charge storage that cancels self inductance at any input current or frequency. Hence, as evostars points out the bifilar produces "No Flyback"!

The biflar coil generates a stronger magnetic field than the single wire coil when it's pulsed, as I've been pointing out for over eight years.
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The biflar coil generates a stronger magnetic field than the single wire coil when it's pulsed, as I've been pointing out for over eight years.

Hello Allen,

I would like to add some specifications (could be taken as clarifications as well) to your quoted statement above...even though I am pretty sure you, as many more here know them all...but for others who do not know.

The Tesla Bifilar Coil -When it is NOT connected as shown on Patent (End of one terminal to start of other conductor)- but instead is pulsed (or even direct DC feed, not pulsed) PARALLEL at each start 1 + start 2 as one terminal as the two ends together, ONLY THEN is when it does generates a much stronger magnetic field than a single wire coil does, where we could say it takes field to an "Exponential Level".

Now, from the classic interpretation of the above it is well understood that we are using DOUBLE the X-Section area by using two wires in parallel which, of course, leads to consume higher amperage than a single wires does...explaining the stronger spatial field.

When we connect Bifilar as Patent drawing Both Magnetic Fields are completely canceled to a zero value, that is why it does cancel self inductance...just because there is no magnetic field there.

Now some "additional tips" on the Bifilar Coil:

...However, there are still more connection(s) possibilities available in that plain Bifilar Coil (so, keep thinking about it...)...as the suggested connections by Tesla could also have more applications than stated usage/app on Patent...keep thinking about it as well...


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The Tesla Bifilar Coil -When it is NOT connected as shown on Patent (End of one terminal to start of other conductor)- but instead is pulsed (or even direct DC feed, not pulsed) PARALLEL at each start 1 + start 2 as one terminal as the two ends together, ONLY THEN is when it does generates a much stronger magnetic field than a single wire coil does, where we could say it takes field to an "Exponential Level".
Have you tried using such a coil as the exciting electromagnets in your figuera device experiments?
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Have you tried using such a coil as the exciting electromagnets in your figuera device experiments?
Absolutely Diplomacy...and it has performed as expected...excellent!

But still, there is more to it...I will be posting that soon, however, it is not the subject of this Thread.


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The Tesla Bifilar Coil -When it is NOT connected as shown on Patent (End of one terminal to start of other conductor)- but instead is pulsed (or even direct DC feed, not pulsed) PARALLEL at each start 1 + start 2 as one terminal as the two ends together, ONLY THEN is when it does generates a much stronger magnetic field than a single wire coil does, where we could say it takes field to an "Exponential Level".

Now, from the classic interpretation of the above it is well understood that we are using DOUBLE the X-Section area by using two wires in parallel which, of course, leads to consume higher amperage than a single wires does...explaining the stronger spatial field.
Thanks for the input ufopolitics

I'm not sure i understand, the coil is disconnected at the "bridge" between the first and second winding.
And the 2 separate coils are parallel pulsed. So, the current winds in the same direction.
Then the endings are also together.
basicly 2 pancake coils, bifilar wound, parallel connected, form outside to inside.
Giving half the impedance, double the current, and so a stronger magnetic field?
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Absolutely Diplomacy...and it has performed as expected...excellent!

But still, there is more to it...I will be posting that soon, however, it is not the subject of this Thread.


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Well if it is related post it!, it sure is interesting, maybe you could share the link to that thread?
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Thanks for the input ufopolitics

I'm not sure i understand, the coil is disconnected at the "bridge" between the first and second winding.
And the 2 separate coils are parallel pulsed. So, the current winds in the same direction.
Then the endings are also together.
basicly 2 pancake coils, bifilar wound, parallel connected, form outside to inside.
Giving half the impedance, double the current, and so a stronger magnetic field?
Yes Evo, that is correct.

We could talk "Multi-Filar" Coils would rise a stronger Magnetic Field than a Single wire would. So a Bifilar (two wires) would Double the Field strength than one single wire would do and so on. Considering we are comparing same gauge wire or awg for the testing examples.

And then again, I said "not related" because not necessarily we need to keep the same Geometry as of the "Flat Pancake" looks like...but more of a "Cylindrical Geo".

And sorry, I did not wanted to create any disturbance on your very nice thread.

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I've seen a video of a bifilar coil which didn't really show a magnetic field, but it did power a second bifilar coil through coupling of the fields:
https://youtu.be/XGyz31yaCdw

I've been wondering how this can be.

I just realized, those coils, had a relative large hole in the center, compared to the windings.
The hole, is where the magnetic"poles" concentrates. With a large hole in the center, the magnetic field could be a lot weaker, then with a small hole in the center.

I have thought about the relationship between the hole and the wire surface before. I than came to the conclusion, that it must be Phi (1.618025751... not pi) related.

I started looking at the pentagram, since it is al phi related in its geometry.
from here, I came to the conclusion, if the diameter of the inner hole is 1 then the diameter of the outer winding should be phi*phi (2.168025751)
When you subtract the inner diameter, you get Phi again.

Beautiful number Phi. Seen everywhere in nature.

I based a 3d toroid on these ratios, and found out, if it is wound with a wire (not straight, but in and out, via 8 sections) The wire fits perfect, it travels straight. Very inspiring.

So from a 2D 5 pointed star (pentagram) I went to a 3D 8 pointed winding.

For the strongest magnetic field, I would wind the bifilar coil, with the smallest hole in the center, so the magnetic field is focused to the max. But Because its also about the dielectric field, and not only the magnetic, and the dielectric field is related to the wire area, I would suggest, using the PHI ratio, as described above
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Tinselkoala got his tail feathers singed for good over at the Overunity site.
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Tinselkoala got his tail feathers singed for good over at the Overunity site.
Thats sad, I wish him all the best. One can not force love into anothers heart, or force them to open their minds.
I see Milehigh has also not been posting since april 23?! unusual.

The whole thread has a different vibe. Good things are being said.
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Yes Evo, that is correct.

We could talk "Multi-Filar" Coils would rise a stronger Magnetic Field than
a Single wire would. So a Bifilar (two wires) would Double the Field strength
than one single wire would do and so on. Considering we are comparing
same gauge wire or awg for the testing examples.


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Now some "additional tips" on the Bifilar Coil:

...However, there are still more connection(s) possibilities available
in that plain Bifilar Coil
(so, keep thinking about it...)...as the suggested connections by Tesla could also have more applications than stated usage/app on Patent...keep thinking about it as well...


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These relative details that are not always accompanied with math
and formula, are very important to share with the group. It seems that
these facts are peppered all over these forums leaving the investigator
to decide who it comes from as to it's validity.

UFO has been around the block so I'll say that these bifilar related
facts should be collected and stored because you don't find much
about this in books today.

I have found that even the smallest fact left out keep me in the dark.
"The more you know the more you go" is the old adage and for the
information on Multifilar coils, I am glad.

I am about to embark upon this adventure. I am going to use a multi-
filar coil say 4 to 8 strands so I can parallel, series them till I get
some understanding of this relationship.

Getting a head start or pointed in the right direction by many who
traveled this road before I got here makes me rejoice, in that each
of you with open hand would help the other.

This is the gift of God.


PS thx EVO for the great thread, I needed this.

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