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Old 06-28-2017, 06:12 PM
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3 way toggle cam

Two of the three double pole switches would connect to the same storage capacitor doubling as input capacitor: A synchronous microwave carousel motor could easily power the "Toggle Cam". (The cam butts up against the switch).

The farads of this main capacitor would be tailored to the watts of neutralization force to balance the pull strength of the trigger and absorber magnets selected. It would take the same switch input to recycle any amount of switch pulse to match the highest of the wide range of magnet strengths realizable.
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Bemf

After the current's disconnected at 43%, the magnetic field collapses and the coil generates Hi-voltage BEMF. This BEMF blocks any input output while it's there After it's completely exhausted during 18% of the cycle, the repositioning of the deflected permanent magnet field generates it's own new current. The 3rd switch position channels this back spike to a separate storage capacitor through another diode..
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Old 06-29-2017, 07:30 AM
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Hall effect sensors.

A bettor way would be to attach six trigger magnets on a timing wheel in concentric arcs, then place three latching Hall effect sensors in tandem over the N S trigger magnets. They would turn on and off one after the other for the duration of the trigger magnet spacing during the course of one revolution. The Hall effect sensors can connect to transistors and relays.
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Old 06-29-2017, 12:34 PM
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Hall effect commutator

Look at this "Hall Effect Sensor Commutator": I positioned the trigger magnets on a tube to leave plenty of room between the magnets:
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Old 06-29-2017, 02:03 PM
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Hall sensor transistor and relay

Below we can see how the Hall effect sensor wires to a transistor then to an electro magnetic coil. This would be the relay coil in the circuit.

The commutator tube can run as a Hall effect pulse motor from the same battery that powers the 3 timer switches. Hopefully the BEMF from the large neutralization coil can be enough to replenish the charge in the switch battery.
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Old 06-30-2017, 11:51 AM
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Latching "Hall effect Sensor:.

Here's a latching "Hall" connected to a relay through a transistor: We need three of these latching relay circuits for the 6 trigger magnet commutator tube: Each full cycle includes the three separate switching events.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ys6u5fb8m-U
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Old 06-30-2017, 03:18 PM
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DC fans.

Two of these fans could face each other back to back and support a trigger tube between them, reverse wired. The Hall sensors would lay underneath. A speed control could easily wire in with a mosfet and potentiometer.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ipiDHD4YEMM&t=40s
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Old 07-01-2017, 12:48 PM
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Polarity reversal

Here's what polarity reversal does to a DC brushless fan: These fans run a few dollars on ebay:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vmtK1Ucv7C8

Best just to power it with one fan.
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Old 07-02-2017, 01:32 PM
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Degree to percent ratios.

Below we see a graph of the cycle ratios from Art's tests:

18.3% of the cycle for BEMF recovery represents 18.3 times 3.6 or 65.88 degrees out of the 360 degree drum circumference: The 43% equals 154.5 degrees and the 38.7%, 139.32 degrees.

The trigger spacing is sequential and asymmetric. The first and the last trigger magnet would line up, to turn the latching Hall sensors on each end, off and on simultaneously.
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Old 07-02-2017, 02:40 PM
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kEhYo's motor

kEhYo could run his motor with the "Triple Pole Commutator"; When the rotor magnet was in the power phase at TDC , the neutralization coil would be gated to it's output pathway. The maximum rotor output would be collected and channeled directly to the storage destination from the masking coil.

kEhYo is currently doing nothing like this with his circuitry.
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Old 07-03-2017, 05:28 PM
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Parts.

I ordered two D.C. fans and three Hall effect sensors from ebay. It occurred to me that the commutator only needs two hall relays and a dead space on the timing wheel where the BEMF relay magnets would go.

This test is to see if we can send the pulse back to the same capacitor it came from, and wind up with more power like Art Porter did, recovering the neutralization pulse from a stationary magnet coil.
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Old 07-04-2017, 12:09 PM
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Spring solenoid.

Take a solenoid coil with a magnet piston core. Attach the end of the magnet to a spring and a spring latch and release. We need to add a fourth pole to the commutator for the latch release. Here's the sequence:

1.-The pulse charges the inductor and the magnetic field pushes the magnet piston against the spring and it locks there.

2.-The commutator gates the coil back to a Hi-Voltage capacitor through a diode and separate pathway for the BEMF.

3.-The commutator gates the coil back to the common input/output capacitor for output; and simultaneously:

4.-Relay releases the spring latch and the magnet piston is driven back into the coil core and charges the main capacitor through a diode.


How much of the input pulse would we recapture this way?

Art says: He does better then breaking even and calls his capacitor charge gain "A very great discovery".

I believe Art's right, and the latching Hall effect commutator can solve the whole problem that easily.

The commutator doesn't need to latch a spring for the back spike, all it needs to do is leave an empty space on the timing wheel. The quantum force of Field deflection and regauging do the work of the spring.
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Old 07-05-2017, 01:45 PM
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Magnetic Field spring.

The magnetic field has to do work to realign itself with it's original orientation. This work is on the atomic level and consumes heat; It also generates electricity that finds it's way into the output coil through induction. Conversion of ambient heat into electrical power is not technically over unity.

The additional power is actually generated by the magnet and it causes a cooling.

The conservation of the neutralization masking pulse from the return of the deflected magnetic field back into the output coil, is the source of endless power!
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Old 07-09-2017, 10:29 AM
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Simplified circuit.

We only need one capacitor and diode, and four leads coming off the neutralization magnet coil. The timer needs an 18.3% lag; We don't need the third hall sensor and relay. There is no lag on the interuption.

One capacitor, four timer magnets and speed control. This simple circuit should ping pong the pulse perpetually between the magnet coil and the capacitor, and run any size generator..
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Old 07-09-2017, 02:19 PM
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Rule of thumb.

The ratio of back spike to input will always remain constant. The timing ratios follow Phi (1.618). First if we quarter a circle each segment is 90 degrees. Halving one equals 45 degrees. Adding 90 to 45, clockwise around from the bottom, gives us the 135 degrees in the 38% duty cycle for the output. Starting with 45 degrees and adding half or 22.5 gives us the 67 degrees of the cycle for the BEMF recovery. The remaining circumference is 43 percent for inout.
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Old 07-11-2017, 01:11 PM
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Art's optics's-cutter

Here we see Art's commutator disk with 43% of the circle for the power cycle on the far side:

What do you notice about this?

The motor's controlling the commutator speed, not the other way around like the speed controlled version under review.

It looks like Art's stuck with only one speed!
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Old 07-12-2017, 09:34 AM
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One pulse rotation.

Art's GAP flywheel solenoid has a power stroke and timing that can be compared to moving a single magnet motor rotor one entire revolution with only one pulse. It can only run at the minimum amount of power it takes to make the flywheel turn a complete revolution and not more slowly. A magnetic compression spring generator wouldn't be hampered by running with variable speed as it has no such (Make the "flywheel turn" Demand) to meet.

Separating the commutator from the motor gears is essential to vary the pulse speed of the neutralization coil gradually, and select the speed at which the generator runs, without the constraint of a pre-set power requirement.
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Old 07-12-2017, 01:39 PM
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Commutator and output rotor

The small amount of power it would take to rotate the tiny commutator wheel would be amplified into the much larger power of the magnet rotor:
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Old 07-13-2017, 04:35 PM
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Components.

I received my three "Latching Hall effect Sensors" today. I'm taking inventory, and have stockpiled lots of parts acquired by me for the Gotoluc self running coil test.

This current test turns out to be nearly identical to the self running coil project, except the frequency is thousands of times lower.

I have a 12 volt electro-magnet that I bought and plan to use as a neutralization coil for a stack of permanent neo magnets equal in attraction strength. It's blindingly simple and streamlined to just mate disk magnets to this kind of high tolerance, polished internal case coil.

Naturally, the electro-magnet backing magnets will attract both the permanent magnets and the electro-magnet to a piece of ferrite through the electro-magnet core. Pulsing the electro-magnet will cause it to release itself, then we can test for the resugeant power from the field repositioning through the commutator gap to the storage cap.

My first commutator will be a simple finger twisting type on a jar lid.
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Old 07-13-2017, 10:11 PM
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Electro Magnet

Look at how simple this is turning out: All anyone needs to do is attach the permanent trigger magnet to the back of the 12 volt electro-magnet coil pictured below, and we capture 20 pounds of sheer force with a short neutralization spark.

My test setup is currently working with the forces balanced. I am neutralizing attraction to a ferrite core neo magnet piston with a short D.C. pulse to the electromagnet coil with it's backup magnets attached; So it's set up to run the magnet spring piston generator. I'm looking at a "Magnetcoaster", but Richard's contraption couldn't do any work!

Next step is to measure the amount of pulse recovery with the Hall effect sensor commutator. All it takes to run this is to match the electromagnet force to the attraction force of the back up magnets behind the electro magnet coil. Voila! Your looking at Art Porter's "Solid State" GAP.
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Old 07-14-2017, 12:25 AM
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Kunel "Energy linear generator".

I'm picking 4 milli volts up off the small single layer ferrite core output coil secondary per neutralization pulse. The magnet coil pulse sheers the ferrite rod and neo tube on the right from the backing magnet's attraction. The output is realizable from the flux transition alone, with no moving parts. Recovering the masking pulse would put this MEG squarely overunity! BEMF is not reguaging output, but is collectable too.

The solid state output is small compared to the equivalent of maybe 20 pounds of magnet sheer force when the ferrite rod and magnet decouple from the trigger coil. The piston generator may need a rubber band around it to help return it to attraction closure.

The sheer trigger has a gradual relationship, whereas the pulse is sudden, hence the need for a spring.
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Trigger magnet gap

Let's take a closer look at my first commutator switch: The neo magnet tubes are polarized diametrically and locked together so theres an oblong field to trigger the DPDT Reed switch. This arrangement creates the lag time the circuit needs to bleed off the obstructing BEMF. A "Phi Spiral" cam lobe:
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Old 07-16-2017, 12:24 AM
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Neutralization of attraction

Here's a quick video of a piston driven by the neutralization of attraction: Art Porter uses amplification and repulsion to power his GAP motor. This way works just the opposite. The advantage is that Art garnered more feedback from the neutralization pulse with his solid state version. This kind of attraction power also generates power from deflection and recovery of it's attached magnets field in the coil. We gain from the coupled advantages this way:

https://youtu.be/QkNBHuZWNUE
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Old 07-16-2017, 01:22 PM
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Recovery.

When the overhead ferrite magnet piston begins it's return stroke toward the magnet coil, a generation of electrical power event commences in the pulse coil.

Switching the pulse coil electrodes to an output storage pathway at that point, returns the neutralization pulse with interest! The top piston magnet takes a free ride. Turning the speed up would probably generate a lot of current from those upper output windings.

This charging is a twofold event because the permanent magnet deflection from the base partners up with the piston closure from overhead. The more powerful convergence of multiple fields in the coil.

The tri-pole commutator directs the backspike to a separate route.
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Old 07-17-2017, 10:44 AM
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Self switching.

Contact points connected to a battery between the piston and electro-magnet would cause the pump to run as an oscillator, the upper contact connecting to the
neutralizing pulse from below.

Suppose we position a Hall effect sensor next to the piston so it triggers a relay at the apex that switches the power coil to output mode? We can get rid the commutator wheel!

This improvement confines us to one speed again, but it should be able to run itself.
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Old 07-17-2017, 01:33 PM
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Timing.

Four trigger magnets, two on each side of the rod, can switch two latching Hall effect sensors. One sensor can control the pulse and pulse width, depending on the distance between the trigger magnets; and the other the gap timed switching to the output pathway. All our timing ratios are controlled. This approach would be simpler to manage but we loose our speed control over the commutator.
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Old 07-18-2017, 01:36 AM
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Oscillator video

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Hall sensor positioning

Two Hall effect sensors positioned next to the rod in polarity opposition next to a tight N-S magnet trigger would switch the Mosfet's and open and close the input and output pathways on the oscillator coil.

It would be easy to direct the output pulse back to source through a diode.
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Old 07-18-2017, 03:19 PM
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Hall trellis

Here's a trigger magnet and the hall frame:
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Hall schematic

Let's take a closer look at the wiring:
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