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#451
06-19-2018, 06:23 PM
 Allen Burgess Gold Member Join Date: Sep 2011 Posts: 1,916
Mu.

The standard unit of inductance is the henry. The equation for calculating the number of henries in an inductor is:

H = (4 * Pi * #Turns * #Turns * coil Area * mu) / (coil Length * 10,000,000)

The area and length of the coil are in meters. The term mu is the permeability of the core. Air has a permeability of 1, while steel might have a permeability of 2,000.
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#452
06-19-2018, 07:30 PM
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Lenz effect.

The magnetic fields are interpenetrating along the "A" vector at 180 degrees in the oscillator, neutralizing "Lenz Drag", like the zero force motor does by positioning the output coil at 90 degrees.

This helps explain why we witness an even exchange. Using a magnetic core with a spinning rotor magnet is self defeating.
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#453
06-19-2018, 10:48 PM
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10 Henry Choke

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#454
06-19-2018, 11:28 PM
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10 Henry Electromagnet

I'm converting this choke into an extremely powerful electromagnet, hacksawing the "I" off the "E" stator by hand. The inductance of the 500 Newton coil is .052 Henries. With a MU of 7000, and inductance of 1.92 Henries after separation, the magnetic attraction strength from the silicon steel lamination core coil should be around 3600 pounds! That means it will be generating 36 times the magnetic field strength of the cheap electromagnet for the same power input.

The power of MU!

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#455
06-20-2018, 02:38 PM
 Allen Burgess Gold Member Join Date: Sep 2011 Posts: 1,916
10 Henry Electromagnet video.

The round electromagnet on the right with a cobalt core and MU of 250, generates around 100 pounds of attraction force. The 10 Henry "E" core of silicon steel laminations on the left, with a core MU of 7000, generates close to 1/2 ton of attraction force for the same input!

Here's the finished electromagnet in action:
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#456
06-20-2018, 04:35 PM
 Allen Burgess Gold Member Join Date: Sep 2011 Posts: 1,916
Question.

Assuming we generate more attraction force with the higher permeability electromagnet then the electromagnet with lower core Mu, with the same input power.

Here's the question: Will the higher permeability core coil generate more output then the coil with less permeability from a rotor magnet of equal strength and force? For example; Let's say we simply roll a powerful neo magnet sphere into each coil core powered by magnetic attraction alone and measure the output from the collision. Will the coil of higher core permeability generate power in the same proportion it generates a magnetic field from input to the one of lower value? In other words, would the 10 Henry coil generate 13 times the electrical power as the round EM coil of less inductance from the motion of a permanent magnet of equal strength and force of motion?

The answer is a categorical "yes", based on the test results I performed and recorded throughout the course of this thread.

The strength of the EM's can easily be tested by attaching a permanent magnet of known gauss, and seeing if the coil can drop it with a neutralization pulse.
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#457
06-20-2018, 08:22 PM
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Final inductance measurements.

I replaced the battery in my "VICI" Inductance meter, and remeasured the inductance of the two electromagnet coils.

The 10 Henry choke, which measured 10 Henries when I first got it, now measures 1.91 Henries with the core split.

The 500 newton round coil, which has been used mightily by me, now measures .052 Henries. It generated a little over 100 pounds of attraction strength new, but has grown weaker.

Nevertheless, the silicon steel laminated "E" core EM coil currently has a whopping 36.7 times the inductance as the round cobalt core EM.

That means the round EM coil would need 36 times the power to do the same work as the laminated one. That would surely make it smoke!

The corollary, of course, is that the silicon steel core coil would generate over 36 times the power from the same magnet rotor as the round EM.
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#458
06-21-2018, 01:04 PM
 Allen Burgess Gold Member Join Date: Sep 2011 Posts: 1,916
Output comparison tests.

I want to thank everyone who's been keeping up with my comments and watching my videos. Especially member Gotoluc, who clued me in to the value of the high inductance choke off his "Self running coil" thread. My latest test proves he's been right the entire time.

I connected the coil electrodes from each EM to the DMM set on both the A.C. and D.C. volts scale and stabbed at them with the flat side of a ceramic block magnet, and got a huge difference in voltage output, in proportion to the difference in inductance. The consequences are awesome!

The 10 Henry choke is generating over 10 times the output! The high perm EM can oscillate a much larger piston magnet for the same input as the round EM, so just ball parking for now, the high perm EM attraction oscillator with the SPDT switch should be at least 100 times over unity. This is really dynamite!

There's really not any further to go with the project, it's perfected.

Captain Midnight Rollover from the "Black Friday Project".
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#459
06-22-2018, 06:01 PM
 Allen Burgess Gold Member Join Date: Sep 2011 Posts: 1,916
Negative Inductance and measure of Magnetic force.

I'm running a thread in parallel on the Overunity site that I carried these comments over from to carry forward with.

Re: Negative Inductance and measure of Magnetic force.
« Reply #257 on: June 21, 2018, 05:27:01 PM »
Quote from: truesearch on June 21, 2018, 04:14:04 PM
@synchro1

Can you post a diagram image outlining what you are doing ? I'm not really following what you have described . .

truesearch

@truesearch,

Let me ask you a question first; You understand how wrapping an iron nail will increase the magnetic attraction strength of a coil of wire independently of input, right? The same nail will increase the electrical output of the coil, in the same proportion, from the motion of a permanent magnet. I need to know if you follow what I just stated before I can help you with a diagram.

The coil wrapped nail has an axial polarity. Now imagine we position a permanent magnet with it's magnetic polarity in opposition to the electromagnetic pole, that's attracted to the ferrite in the nail. So, the magnet's stuck on the nail head, until the coil that's wrapped around it is energized. That magnetic pulse then repels the permanent magnet, right? When the power pulse stops the magnetic attraction of the permanent magnet to the nail generates a current in the coil as it's attracted back.

It would return the power to source if we didn't wire a separate pathway to storage through the SPDT switch.

Naturally, this is an oversimplification and involves the B-H curve in actual practice.
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#460
06-22-2018, 06:07 PM
 Allen Burgess Gold Member Join Date: Sep 2011 Posts: 1,916
Woopyjump video

Quote from: truesearch on June 21, 2018, 08:01:52 PM
@synchro1

That does make sense the way you've described. Thanks!

A question: wouldn't it take more electrical "energy" to power the electro-magnetic coil that has a permanent magnet with it's magnetic polarity in opposition to the electromagnetic pole? I'm just supposing that whatever "gain" is captured would be in comparison to the additional energy input. . . :-\

truesearch

@truesearch,

That's really a very good question. Let me ask you this: Does a flashlight draw more power when it shines it's light against a wall then when it shines into free space?

This video by Woopyjump shows that there's no difference in input with or without the magnet pendulum in front of the pulse coil:

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#461
06-22-2018, 06:37 PM
 Allen Burgess Gold Member Join Date: Sep 2011 Posts: 1,916
Mu.

The COP of the attraction oscillator I described to truesearch would be a function of the relative permeability (Mu) of the coil core.
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#462
06-22-2018, 09:02 PM
 Allen Burgess Gold Member Join Date: Sep 2011 Posts: 1,916
10 H oscillator

You'll notice two SPDT spring pressure switches, one one each end of the ceramic piston:

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#463
06-22-2018, 09:15 PM
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Ferrite powder.

I filled this pale green plastic Tupperware tub with dark gray beach sand from in front of my apartment, and placed two ceramic block magnets under the lid to ballast my electromagnet. When I opened it I noticed the magnets were covered with black magnetic ferrite powder which washes down from the nearby rivers and piles up on the beach. The pure ferrite powder material I scrapped off the magnets is in a pile on the piece of white paper in the photo. This material has a very high relative permeability or Mu value. It's very simple to cold mold it into a solid core simply be mixing it with a linear polyurethane composite epoxy. This is why special interest groups will never be able to monopolize the high perm core market:

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#464
06-23-2018, 05:16 PM
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Laminated silicon steel "I" stator in washtub pump coil

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#465
06-23-2018, 06:46 PM
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"I" core.

The "E" core will not reverse magnetic polarity when I reverse the current polarity. It has potential but it's unsuitable for an attraction neutralization oscillator. The "I' core tub coil does the job splendidly. My objective is to prove that the COP of the oscillator is in direct proportion to the core perm, and the "I" core and tub coil have tested out to be ideal. The "I" core coil projects a powerful "A" vector, unlike the "E" core. This is the platform I plan to continue forward with. I'll take inductance measurements when I return to testing soon.
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#466
06-24-2018, 08:35 PM
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High perm oscillator.

Here's a video of the new oscillator:

https://youtu.be/qGIuoLHgX9c
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#467
06-24-2018, 10:18 PM
 Allen Burgess Gold Member Join Date: Sep 2011 Posts: 1,916
Twin wash tub coil silicon steel core electromagnet.

We can see the solder joint a little to the right of the center between the coils. Also, then backing ceramic block which I place under the coaster beneath the electromagnet and the silicon steel core visible inside the top coil core: This version is delivering some gauss per watt dividends!

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#468
06-25-2018, 12:54 PM
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Inductance comparison.

The 500 Newton electromagnet measures .052 Henries of inductance; The silicon steel coil .101. That makes the home made electromagnet twice as powerful, at over 200 pounds of attraction force!

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#469
06-25-2018, 04:39 PM
 Allen Burgess Gold Member Join Date: Sep 2011 Posts: 1,916
Electromagnet force comparison tests.

What's the best way to measure and compare magnetic attraction force between electromagnets? I'm showing two different electromagnets , one with twice the measured inductance of the other. I can demonstrate that the home made electromagnet with twice the inductance will drop two ceramic block magnets at the same spacing distance the electromagnet with half it's inductance will only drop one.

People grow skeptical about input. The input is fixed at 1500 ma at 12 volts through a 12 volt D.C. wall transformer. The electromagnet with half the inductance will draw the same power, and produce twice the waste heat as the electromagnet with double the inductance. The double the inductance electromagnet transforms the waste power into magnetic field attraction strength. That's the difference!

I'm setting up to perform this test. I need to buy a laser heat measurement instrument to insure accuracy.

What's the corollary? The electromagnet with twice the inductance will generate twice the electrical power from a magnet of equal strength and motion. I'll follow up with this test comparison in due course.
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#470
06-25-2018, 08:43 PM
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Electromagnetic coil heat comparisons

I went shopping and purchased a Model AR350 Non-contact infrared thermometer. I connected each coil to a 1000 ma 12 volt wall transformer, and measured the temperature of each coil every two minutes for a period of ten minutes. Each coil went up around one degree Fahrenheit every two minutes.

Let's say one coil is generating twice the magnetic attraction field as the other, what inference can we draw? It's probably safe to assume that they're drawing around the same power.

More tests to continue.
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#471
06-25-2018, 11:47 PM
 Allen Burgess Gold Member Join Date: Sep 2011 Posts: 1,916
Permeability of Electromagnets

"If cores of different materials with the same physical dimensions are used in the electromagnet, the strength of the magnet will vary in relation to the core material being used. This variation in the magnetic strength is due to the number of flux lines passing through the central core. if the magnetic material has a high permeability then the flux lines can easily be created and pass through the central core and permeability (μ) and it is a measure of the ease by which the core can be magnetised".

This law above is universally acknowledged. The revelation here is that, not only will the strength of the electromagnet increase in relation to the material being used but the "Electrical Output" from the material of higher permeability will increase in direct proportion to the increase in field strength.

That translates into that: Doubling the inductance of a magnet pump oscillator with a higher perm core will quadruple the COP.

I plan to demonstrate this with scientific accuracy.
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#472
06-26-2018, 02:13 AM
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Horseshoe stator coil inductance

The inductance of the two washtub coils mounted on the synchronous laminated "U" stator is .304 Henries. This opens the door to a new kind of oscillator with permanent magnets of opposite polarity attached to the silicon ferrite "I" stator to attract and neutralize with the spring press switch. This is too good a deal to pass up.

The horseshoe configuration coupled with the laminated steel core boasts the inductance tremendously. The air core coils alone measure only .018 Henries. The laminated horseshoe core multiplies the magnetic strength of the coils over 16 times. I'll try to get it pumping tomorrow.

Would two sets of horseshoe stator coils in a bucking configuration MEG be 32 times over unity with a pair of field rocking SPDT switches?
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#473
06-26-2018, 12:49 PM
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Washtub stator MEG COP measurements.

I PMH locked two horseshoe washtub stators with the coils on each side, and pulsed one and measured voltage output on the other. The D.C. voltage in measured 9.92 at one amp. The output measured .31 volts on a D.C. pulse and 1.30 on current reversal both on the A.C. and D.C. scale.

Interesting results but no sign of spectacular gain from this setup. What's interesting is that I pre-calculated the COP at 32 X OU and it measured out at exactly the inverse of 1/32 the voltage on pulse! Coincidence? I was exactly correct minus a plus sign! This makes me wonder if there's a hidden increase in output amperage that balances the reduction in voltage? That means it would have to be generating 32 amps out. I'll try and look for it.

More inscrutable results from "Warp factor".
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#474
06-26-2018, 02:00 PM
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My tests so far are telling me that the higher the core perm the greater the transformer spread, and I'm still on the same treadmill. The only thing of value I learned so far is that the oscillator increases voltage and decreases amperage while the pulsed D.C. MEG reduces voltage and increases amperage. Perhaps a worthwhile discovery.
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#475
06-26-2018, 04:27 PM
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3k inductance

These twin synchronous coils measure .018 Henries alone, and nearly 3000 times as much with the horseshoe stator and cross bar:

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#476
06-26-2018, 07:45 PM
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Here's a simple attraction oscillator with the washtub stator and an SPDT spring pressure switch wired in series to the power through the inside electrodes of the switch: The outer SPDT switch electrodes will output a very powerful backspike. The flipper is unfastened at the back and vibrates out of position.

https://youtu.be/KzsBT8ZVeHQ

Here's an earlier video where the oscillator's chattering faster:

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#477
06-27-2018, 11:51 AM
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I'm blinking a reverse biased 12 volt LED off inductive kickback with a synchronous motor stator oscillator. This stator coil measures over 1/2 a Henry in inductance. The input is only 9 volts. I'm taking the kickback directly off the coil electrodes. I'm setting up to take it off the SPDT switch:

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#478
06-27-2018, 04:13 PM
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Flyback oscillator and MEG transformer.

Here's a picture of the oscillator with all four SPDT wires attached to the switch, a duct tape hinge on the end of the ferrite flipper, and the kickback transformer:

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#479
06-27-2018, 07:44 PM
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Formula for inductive kickback.

"A steady state direct current of 4 ampere passes through a solenoid coil of 0.5H. What would be the back emf voltage induced in the coil if the switch in the above circuit was opened for 10mS and the current flowing through the coil dropped to zero ampere".

We can see that the voltage of the inductive kickback is the inductance in Henrys times the current in amperage over the frequency of the current interruption in seconds:

This is where increasing core inductance pays it's rent in higher output.

What I discovered during the course of this thread is that core inductance functions as turns of copper in a transformer wrap. The ratio of core inductance to high voltage transformation was cited above in my MEG comment.

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#480
06-27-2018, 10:10 PM
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2 Henry "E" core oscillator and inductive kickback

I measured the flyback voltage off a 2 Henry laminated silicon steel "E" core attraction oscillator; Here's the video: Following our formula above for inductive kickback voltage, to solve for frequency: 25 volts of inductive kickback, at 1 amp, times 2 Henries of inductance factors out to a divisor of .5 seconds or 2 Hertz. That's 120 oscillations per minute.

https://youtu.be/vKc0TI76T5c
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