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Clemente Figuera



The enigma of Clemente Figuera ? Tecnología Obsoleta



1908 Patent: http://www.alpoma.com/figuera/patente_1908.pdf

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Originally Posted by First Paragraph of PATENT by CLEMENTE FIGUERA (year 1908) No. 44267 (Spain)
Ministry of Development General Board of agriculture, industry and Commerce. Patents of Invention. Expired. Dossier number 44267. Instruction at the request of D. Clemente Figuera. Representative Mr. Buforn. Presented in the register of the Ministry in the 31st of october of 1908, at 11:55 received in the negotiated in the 2nd of november of 1908.
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If within a spinning magnetic field we rotate a closed circuit placed at right angles to the lines of force a current will be induced for as long as there is movement, and whose sign will depend on the direction which the induced circuit moves.

This is the foundation of all magnetic machines and electric dynamos from the primitive, invented by Pixii, France and modified and improved later by Clarke until the current dynamos of today.

The principle where is based this theory, carries the unavoidable need for the movement of the induced circuit or the inductor circuit, and therefore these machines are taken as transformer of mechanical work into electricity.
(I will post more from the patent as time allows.)
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Don't kill the dipole ! Here is the exact and precise implementation of this principle.
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Don't kill the dipole ! Here is the exact and precise implementation of this principle.

Interesting. I know of T. E. Bearden's admonition against destroying the dipole, but I'm uncertain how it works in this case with this device?

Could you please explain?
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It simple : don't kill the magnetic dipole ! Think about it while reading all Figuera patents. it's not the way Bearden explained it - magnetic field is the source of energy, never the conversion of mechanical one into electrical.
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Interesting. I know of T. E. Bearden's admonition against destroying the dipole, but I'm uncertain how it works in this case with this device?

Could you please explain?
Hello Vidbid,

Nice Thread, it is good to discuss all primary and basic understanding about Figuera's Device for new members joining in before going into the other Higher Levels Figuera's Threads.

I would write very similar to Boguslaw...but I will expand a bit...

Figuera does not ever, allows the Magnetic Field to collapse (going flat line, zero)...much less to reverse polarities. This way Magnetic Field remains the same throughout all operation.

All Figuera does is a "Simulation" related to what happens in real generators. And as he analyze the way Induction takes place from the "Close and Far" Magnetic Fields strength from the Induced (Generating Coils) point of view.

In a typical Rotary Generator with a DC Field Rotor...When the Magnetic Field which induces the EMF on Secondaries gets closer to the Max Point of Induction Figuera considered an "Approach" or Field becoming Stronger until Field reaches full alignment with Max Point - where Peak Induction takes place- from here the Field starts to "Leave" that Spatial atmosphere surrounding the Induced, so from the point of view of induced coils...Field is weakening.

Figuera makes the Magnetic Fields at Primary Electromagnets to either strengthen or weaken by fluctuating the Currents that feed them...So, with primary electromagnets iron cores being static, the Spatial Fields will expand (for stronger stage) and shrink (for weaker stage simulation).

Once this is understood well, then Figuera "sandwiches" the Secondaries, or Induced Coils and Cores within not one but Two Primaries. As this two primaries work "alternatively" and in Unison (simultaneously)...So when one Primary set is reaching Max Strength values (full currents) (closest field)...the second primary opposed at 180º has weaken to minimal currents (simulating the "leaving" field) which NEVER fall to zero, nor below (so never a negative current, thus never a reversed field).

Resuming, Figuera only moves the Spatial Virtual Magnetic Fields back and forth, at unison...in a linear fashion through the Centered Secondary Coils and cores alignment line.

To achieve this, in the simplest of forms, and for better Patent understanding as to "Legally Protect his Intellectual Art"...Figuera exemplifies the fluctuations of currents by using simple resistors and a brushed switch powered by a small motor...

In my opinion, a fully working Figuera's Device as expected...will simply establish how wrongfully and far from reality the generation of Electrical Energy "Industry" or Science (if it ever deserves that name) has developed for the past 200 years...spending so much effort in so heavy machinery for the mechanical spinning of the constantly Exciting Magnetic DC Fields in all Generators ever constructed...when in reality...The only requirement was to Move the Spatial, massless, weightless and transparent Virtual Fields throughout the Induced (Secondaries) Iron Cores and Coils all this time...


And yes, of course, many other forms of Generation of Energy based on this simple Principle will start developing in many different ways as other Spatial Geometries...in the Open Source Communities.


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Thank you, UFO & Boguslaw,

Gentlemen,

There is much in what you say to think about.

Thank you.
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Exclamation Dipole

I always looked at it like the electric field is the source of energy and the magnetic field is the destruction of.

i also thought Bearden was referring to the lead acid battery in our present systems. the dipole is destroyed from our destructive way we charge them with constant currant and drawing power from it at the same time. the dipole is destroyed but rebuilt instantly from the chemicals reaction to the lead plates. this very reason is why batteries wear out. if your battery had a cap bank between it and the system drawing power a relay used at ignition start up engages battery filling cap bank starting motor. when running the battery is kicked out of system and pulse charged to full thus battery ( the dipole) last a very, very long time.

UFOP;

Very wonderful post, you will make a good Figuera jedi master soon. you should copy and past to Figuera thread 1.

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Reading my synopsis would be a good start in understanding Figuera's operations.

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I always looked at it like the electric field is the source of energy and the magnetic field is the destruction of.

i also thought Bearden was referring to the lead acid battery in our present systems. the dipole is destroyed from our destructive way we charge them with constant currant and drawing power from it at the same time. the dipole is destroyed but rebuilt instantly from the chemicals reaction to the lead plates. this very reason is why batteries wear out. if your battery had a cap bank between it and the system drawing power a relay used at ignition start up engages battery filling cap bank starting motor. when running the battery is kicked out of system and pulse charged to full thus battery ( the dipole) last a very, very long time.

UFOP;

Very wonderful post, you will make a good Figuera jedi master soon. you should copy and past to Figuera thread 1.

VIDBID;

Reading my synopsis would be a good start in understanding Figuera's operations.

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Thanks, MM! I'll do that.
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Analyzing Woopy 3 Tests...


Hello Vidbid,

First, many thanks for showing this testing videos from Woopy. He is an excellent builder and replicator.

I would like to analyze some essential errors on his three videos here...

On the First Video:



If we go to time: 7:25...When he takes off the secondary...we notice the two Primaries while Energized by the signal from small motor brush...They ATTRACT EACH OTHERS.
This means He is using a N>>S / S<<N Approach between both primary poles ends.

It has being said many times on the Part 1 Figuera Thread, that Figuera on his final patent (1908) used REPULSION and NOT ATTRACTING POLES...While on previous ones he uses Attraction. Obviously, this means it worked out better for him to switch Methods.

However, it is very interesting to observe he obtains almost a perfect Square Wave at Secondaries as He displays at end of video.

Now related to excess of Energy on Secondaries above Primaries...He is not going to achieve that for many reasons.

First, He is NOT using STRAIGHT (LINEAR) MAGNETIC PROJECTIONS of the Field on his Primaries like Figuera clearly displays on Patent Drawing.

He uses a Horseshoe (U) type core for both primaries, while coil is wound at center...This is NON DIRECT MAGNETIC FIELD PROJECTION.

1-If we analyze the Spatial Geometry of the Magnetic Field on this case...Field Fluctuations would have to go through iron core at a 90º Angle "drive" to finally reach secondaries core face, instead of being directly/linearly projected "face to face" which is way more effective as no "Spatial Losses" because of driving field through angles...Not Good!

2- He uses a too high resistance for primaries, based on their fine wire (even though on other videos he swaps to a more coarse wire). Finer wire would generate a field which will always be weaker than a heavier wire (even with more turns) driven with the same currents.

3- Through out all following two videos, I can notice he just do not align cores cross sections (face to face), but instead, just lay secondary core right on top of primaries cores...not good either!!

Magnetism travels through very specific straight/linear vectors of force and divergency...and if we do not align their cores with extreme LINEAR accuracy, meaning Face to Face, there would be huge Spatial Losses by projecting their fields pressures to absolutely nowhere but pure losses.

If all this very essential and basic Magnetism Properties are not considered in the initial experiments...Then there is absolutely no sense to move into more sophisticated and complex methods of generating the Inducing Signals by Solid State means...like He does in the other Two Videos

4- The Secondaries should be built with EVEN MUCH HEAVIER WIRE plus MUCH, MANY MORE TURNS...in order to Capture as much as possible the fluctuating Fields traveling back and forth within iron core and copper wires from secondary ...If you guys still wanna put it like the classic approach...Then the so called "Imaginary Lines of Force" would "cut" many more wires therefore output would be greater.

5- If the Secondary Iron Cores are to be smaller in length...then they should be much wider in Cross Section than Primaries, in order to amplify much more the fluctuating field lines.

This are basic rules when constructing any kind of Generator Secondaries spec's...and have been around since the first generator was ever constructed.

On Second Video...He uses an Exciting generated signal -from the Arduino- which is completely different and far away from the one He obtained on first video with mechanical switching (The "Pyramid" signal), which is exactly Figuera's type shown below:

[IMG][/IMG]

On the third video He uses an Exciting Square Signal...even understanding the inverted pyramids in the beginning of video drawings...Plus this time He completely encloses the two primaries within a single "O" core (They are literally "killing" each others, by wasting most of fluctuations within closed iron core)...while Secondary is laid on top (not facing each others)...completely bad, wrong magnetic geometry!!


Anyways this is my take about those tests. And we must be here VERY AWARE of Magnetic Fields displacement as Properties...plus trying to visualize this effects as much as we could...

This is just a Constructive Criticism in order to reach much better results. Not trying -by any means- to minimize nor diminish the great building capabilities and skills of Member Woopy Jump.


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Hello Vidbid,

First, many thanks for showing this testing videos from Woopy. He is an excellent builder and replicator.

I would like to analyze some essential errors on his three videos here...

On the First Video:



If we go to time: 7:25...When he takes off the secondary...we notice the two Primaries while Energized by the signal from small motor brush...They ATTRACT EACH OTHERS.
This means He is using a N>>S / S<<N Approach between both primary poles ends.

It has being said many times on the Part 1 Figuera Thread, that Figuera on his final patent (1908) used REPULSION and NOT ATTRACTING POLES...While on previous ones he uses Attraction. Obviously, this means it worked out better for him to switch Methods.

However, it is very interesting to observe he obtains almost a perfect Square Wave at Secondaries as He displays at end of video.

Now related to excess of Energy on Secondaries above Primaries...He is not going to achieve that for many reasons.

First, He is NOT using STRAIGHT (LINEAR) MAGNETIC PROJECTIONS of the Field on his Primaries like Figuera clearly displays on Patent Drawing.

He uses a Horseshoe (U) type core for both primaries, while coil is wound at center...This is NON DIRECT MAGNETIC FIELD PROJECTION.

1-If we analyze the Spatial Geometry of the Magnetic Field on this case...Field Fluctuations would have to go through iron core at a 90º Angle "drive" to finally reach secondaries core face, instead of being directly/linearly projected "face to face" which is way more effective as no "Spatial Losses" because of driving field through angles...Not Good!

2- He uses a too high resistance for primaries, based on their fine wire (even though on other videos he swaps to a more coarse wire). Finer wire would generate a field which will always be weaker than a heavier wire (even with more turns) driven with the same currents.

3- Through out all following two videos, I can notice he just do not align cores cross sections (face to face), but instead, just lay secondary core right on top of primaries cores...not good either!!

Magnetism travels through very specific straight/linear vectors of force and divergency...and if we do not align their cores with extreme LINEAR accuracy, meaning Face to Face, there would be huge Spatial Losses by projecting their fields pressures to absolutely nowhere but pure losses.

If all this very essential and basic Magnetism Properties are not considered in the initial experiments...Then there is absolutely no sense to move into more sophisticated and complex methods of generating the Inducing Signals by Solid State means...like He does in the other Two Videos

4- The Secondaries should be built with EVEN MUCH HEAVIER WIRE plus MUCH, MANY MORE TURNS...in order to Capture as much as possible the fluctuating Fields traveling back and forth within iron core and copper wires from secondary ...If you guys still wanna put it like the classic approach...Then the so called "Imaginary Lines of Force" would "cut" many more wires therefore output would be greater.

5- If the Secondary Iron Cores are to be smaller in length...then they should be much wider in Cross Section than Primaries, in order to amplify much more the fluctuating field lines.

This are basic rules when constructing any kind of Generator Secondaries spec's...and have been around since the first generator was ever constructed.

On Second Video...He uses an Exciting generated signal -from the Arduino- which is completely different and far away from the one He obtained on first video with mechanical switching (The "Pyramid" signal), which is exactly Figuera's type shown below:

[IMG][/IMG]

On the third video He uses an Exciting Square Signal...even understanding the inverted pyramids in the beginning of video drawings...Plus this time He completely encloses the two primaries within a single "O" core (They are literally "killing" each others, by wasting most of fluctuations within closed iron core)...while Secondary is laid on top (not facing each others)...completely bad, wrong magnetic geometry!!


Anyways this is my take about those tests. And we must be here VERY AWARE of Magnetic Fields displacement as Properties...plus trying to visualize this effects as much as we could...

This is just a Constructive Criticism in order to reach much better results. Not trying -by any means- to minimize nor diminish the great building capabilities and skills of Member Woopy Jump.


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UFO,

There is a huge amount of wisdom in what you say.

You clearly know your field. Thank you for sharing your knowledge and insights about this technology with us.

And thank you for sharing the graphic. A picture is worth a thousand words.

I hope you don't mind that I highlighted the textual items which really stood out to me. You make some very valid observations. I believe that what you have pointed out here should help many builders to construct devices which better employ the principles that Clemente Figuera had in mind during the time when he was building his "Generador Figuera" and accordingly filing respective patents.

And, I concur that Woopy Jump is, without a doubt, a great builder and experimenter, and I would like to add that he is truly generous for producing and sharing his videos with us. Thanks to him.
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I also found the above information helpful to me in my basic understanding about the Figuera Generator.
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I also found the above information helpful to me in my basic understanding about the Figuera Generator.

Thanks Vidbid,

That is the main purpose...that many people get interested on this Patent...

Now, trying to "picture" Figuera in this N-N approach, based on Classic Magnetism absolutely would not help understanding it at all...

According to Classic Magnetism, an "Uniform Field" is ONLY obtained by North-South Spatial approaches, where B-Field travel -always- from N to S. While Repulsion Fields are regarded as "No Existing Field" ...All this conclusions are based on the "one and only" iron filings method which does NOT reveal any "Imaginary Lines of Force" traveling between two like poles (N-N or S-S)...But only observable through iron filings very clearly straight lines from N pole to S pole.

So based on the above it simply does not makes sense at all...to even think there would be any "imaginary lines of force" cutting absolutely nothing at all.

On the other hand...Figuera considers Max Point of Induction whenever the Exciter Electromagnets Cores are in perfect, linear alignment with the respective Secondaries Cores... which he writes in perfect Spanish as he understand this occurs when the Exciting Electromagnet FULLY MAGNETIZES the Secondary Cores. Everyone knows that the full magnetization between either a magnet or an electromagnet and a piece of iron ONLY takes place when they are "Geometrically Aligned by their Center Axis"...As this Naturally manifested property can be observed every time we approach, say a magnet cylinder and an iron cylinder...they always seek to line up by their center axis...and iron gets magnetized by magnet.

The Classic approach does NOT teach Us that written above at all...based on the "imaginary lines of force" and "cutting" conductors "learning package", as also only the conductors perpendicular to plane of field...then Max Induction would only take place around 90º apart from Figuera's Point of view...where majority of conductors from coil are gathered together...at both sides of iron core.

Resuming...We must open our minds beyond Classic understanding to be able to understand Figuera.

And I mean...We could "force" both theories (Figuera's and Classic) to "fit" within one space...like they are trying to do in above images...using same math formulas, and graphics, etc,etc...However, any "knowledgeable in the arts of classic magnetism"...would just say it is plain and simple BS...


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Thanks Vidbid,

That is the main purpose...that many people get interested on this Patent...

Now, trying to "picture" Figuera in this N-N approach, based on Classic Magnetism absolutely would not help understanding it at all...

According to Classic Magnetism, an "Uniform Field" is ONLY obtained by North-South Spatial approaches, where B-Field travel -always- from N to S. While Repulsion Fields are regarded as "No Existing Field" ...All this conclusions are based on the "one and only" iron filings method which does NOT reveal any "Imaginary Lines of Force" traveling between two like poles (N-N or S-S)...But only observable through iron filings very clearly straight lines from N pole to S pole.

So based on the above it simply does not makes sense at all...to even think there would be any "imaginary lines of force" cutting absolutely nothing at all.

On the other hand...Figuera considers Max Point of Induction whenever the Exciter Electromagnets Cores are in perfect, linear alignment with the respective Secondaries Cores... which he writes in perfect Spanish as he understand this occurs when the Exciting Electromagnet FULLY MAGNETIZES the Secondary Cores. Everyone knows that the full magnetization between either a magnet or an electromagnet and a piece of iron ONLY takes place when they are "Geometrically Aligned by their Center Axis"...As this Naturally manifested property can be observed every time we approach, say a magnet cylinder and an iron cylinder...they always seek to line up by their center axis...and iron gets magnetized by magnet.

The Classic approach does NOT teach Us that written above at all...based on the "imaginary lines of force" and "cutting" conductors "learning package", as also only the conductors perpendicular to plane of field...then Max Induction would only take place around 90º apart from Figuera's Point of view...where majority of conductors from coil are gathered together...at both sides of iron core.

Resuming...We must open our minds beyond Classic understanding to be able to understand Figuera.

And I mean...We could "force" both theories (Figuera's and Classic) to "fit" within one space...like they are trying to do in above images...using same math formulas, and graphics, etc,etc...However, any "knowledgeable in the arts of classic magnetism"...would just say it is plain and simple BS...


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Very good, UFO.

I wonder if we realize all of the benefits we'll get when we understand the operation of this device when explained in terms of Ken L. Wheeler's theories and explanations.
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Very good, UFO.

I wonder if we realize all of the benefits we'll get when we understand the operation of this device when explained in terms of Ken L. Wheeler's theories and explanations.
Hello Vidbid,

Oh, it would be simply wonderful!!

See, must researches and developers...don't stop for a minute to dedicate some time to analyze the "Intangible Magnetic Fields"...when it is BASICALLY AND ALL DUE to the RESULTS from this wonderful phenomena.

We think we have it all figured out by sprinkling iron filings on top of magnetic field...and then we know it all.

Never been so far from reality...


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