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Old 10-25-2016, 08:45 PM
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THIS THREAD IS FOR SERIOUS FIGUERA BUILDERS ONLY. all posters ( IF EXCEPTED) will be required to post a pic of work or devices in progress with in reason according to the patents that include moving or non moving control systems. at no time shall bad mouthers and known arguers be allowed. you will be asked to leave and will be reported to the forum administrator immediately.

again this thread is about serious Figuera builders only, that want to share their real build ideas and the device as a whole, (Part G) and related technology on a professional but casual level.
if it is not related to Figuera don't post it, if the words out of your mouth are not Figuera don't post it, if you come to run your mouth to disagree don't post it. abide by these rules or you will be asked to leave.

study all patents, my research, view my profile pics, your research and related materials and start building or don't bother posting.

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This Thread was open in order to Distribute correct information and fully develop Part G as a Wound Toroidal Iron Core Inductor becoming the "HEART BEAT" which makes the Figuera device to fully work as a Self Sustained System. Since many Building and Developing Members were extremely opposing to the Part G development on the Part 1 Figuera Thread.

Therefore, I, Marathonman, the Owner of this Thread Reserve the right to accept or not, a new incoming Member, even if he or she shows proof of their building.

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if not for the patient sharing and collaboration of Doug to me none of this would have been possible.
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Old 10-25-2016, 08:52 PM
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Here is a screen shot of part G before winding. three 522 va cores resined together for 1566 va total.

second shot is my two layer 16 channel timing board that got sent off to the manufacturer today. the link is to the mfg of really, really cheap good quality boards.

also my design software i use is Diptrace. i use it to design all my circuit board projects and i really like it. there is a free version you can download but is limited to 300 pins.
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a good tool to have for calculations are Electronics Assistant http://www.electronics2000.co.uk/download.php#assistant

another good tool to have is PCB trace calc tool ANSI PCB Track Width Calculator

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So lets sum up the the information that is presented so far on the Figuera device through my research and what was shared to me by an awesome dude Doug .

------------PRIMARIES------------

1. primaries need to have low self induction as fast response time in essential.

2. lowest ohms as possible since part G controls the currant and we need the highest magnetic field possible within the limits of the core material. can be series or paralleled but preferrable lowest ohm's possible. use of thick wire is recomended for lowest ohms possible and the use of thick foil is most optimal.

3. the coil winding's need to span almost the entire length of the core not leaving huge gaps.

4. the primaries have to be equal or larger than the secondaries and at no time smaller. remembering square of the distance.

5. primaries need to be separate from the secondaries as eddy currants will interfere with the primaries main function and create losses and heat.

6. be butted up next to secondaries with as little as gap as possible, use resin on ends.

7. be properly secured as massive pressures will make parts fly at extreme velocities with possible risk of injury.

8. use of N/N primaries opposing fields to attain double strength E field as N/S.

9. Winding will be announced after complete running device and self sustaining. CWW in testing.

10. Not wound according to present winding techniques. wound specifically to be electromagnets as part G controls currant flow.

----------SECONDARIES----------

1. core thickness to match primary.

2. wound with thicker wire according to load requirements with headroom as does primaries.

3. winding span almost entire length of core not leaving huge gaps.

4. can be series and or paralleled to attain voltage and currant requirements.

5. use of secondary to power it self to replace losses in part G from wire, heat and core losses.

6. wound according to present day techniques.


----------Part G------------

1. Core va rating must exceed load rating (primaries high and low) plus additional electronics and head room of no less than 500 va.

2 be wound with thicker wire than primaries remembering that the wire rating is the sum of lower smaller branches plus headroom. since patent says (commutator bars ) i would suggest flat rectangle wire as fewer winding are required to get currant change. 8 awg will work just fine though and cheaper.

3. use a closed core system, ie. toroid type core (most efficient) as feedback from primaries is of great importance mirroring primaries opposing function and proper magnetic field rotation.
EI core can be used but with lower performance. straight core can be used but with really reduced performance. core will wind up very big compared to toroidal core.

4. secure wire to core as relative high rotational speeds will be attained if using standard rotating part G. transistor driven does not.

5. use high quality brushes as wear longevity is essential for standard rotating part G.

6. brush rotation of part G causes dynamic induction allowing currant manipulation through magnetic core saturation/inductance/impedance change.

7. be wound CW starting from Set S output on bottom up the left side all the way around in one continuous wind or two halves joined together. taps for commutator or transistors are at your determination...ie amps used.


------------TIMING-------------

1. timing is very crucial in the Figuera device, primaries are to be kept in complete unison at all times

2. timing of primaries are 180 degrees from each other, as one is rising the other is falling but using the same phase.

3. at no time is the primaries reduced to below half way and NEVER ZERO as induction will be lost from the reducing electromagnet falling to the output of the rising electromagnet reducing the output to 1/2 of original output.

4. collision wall of opposing electromagnets has to just clear secondary to attain proper B x V Motional field function as does maintaining complete unison all while retaining 80 to 90 % of original field strength.

5. At 60 hz (USA) on time for each tap is 1.04 ms and 2.08 ms at peak and lows. for 50 hz on time for each tap is 1.25 ms and 2.50 ms at peak and lows. this is according to the patent at 16 taps.

----------DEVICE----------

1. this device is DC operated. ac will not work in this device as reversing polarities will cause the destruction of the duel Motional Electric Fields as well as all inductive kickback ect. also the magnetic fields take to long to build up with AC.


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After almost two and 1/2 years of contsant study, research and on hand experience, i have concluded that the Figuera device operates in said capacity according to the 1908 patent and the following is my interpretation of said free energy device.
in the patents it can be seen how ingeniously and by mechanical methods, how the engineer tried to generate electrical energy inside a coil by varying the flow of two opposite and opposing magnetic fields, trying to get into the machine the same characteristic behavior of a conventional generator, but without moving part.
In a standard generator we have what is termed a quadrature. the incline and decline of the north magnet and the incline and decline of the south magnet. also we have what is termed "the cogging effect". the cogging effect is where the rotor passes the stator electromagnet and upon passing the electromagnet an extreme attraction force wants to pull the rotor back in to register (alignment) causing the motor to bog down from the heavy load of the attractive force. this extreme force from present day generators has been the same since the days of Praxii in France and has not changed. thus we are left with a system that is completely crippled from the cogging effect and inefficient beyond belief. the amount of fuel used in this type of system is staggering and certainly benefits only the Oil Companies and tax hungry Governments.
in the Figuera device both electromagnet accounts for only 1/4 of a quadrature but with no cogging effect what so ever since the device is stationary and no moving parts. thus allowing the 1/4 quadrature to be much more efficient in terms of power usage (input) verses power output. since the cogging effect has been removed the amount of power that was wasted on rotation is now available to the system for use to power it's electromagnets and rotating brush motor which amounts to very little leaving a system that is so efficient it powers it self and the load indefinitely. once the system is started with an external power supply, it can be removed and the system remains running with no noise, lubrication, pollution or waste products to deal with. the implication of such a device is utterly mind boggling and a game changer to the average human. allowing each and every human to grow their own food 24/7 365 days a year, pump their own water, power their own home and personal vehicles. thus changing the very evolution of the human race advancing toward a more productive, peaceful, harmonistic society riding the powerful elite of their choke hold on the human race through control.
My further understanding is that through my research a setup with two bar magnets facing each other separated by a nonmagnetic bar glued between both like pole faces to keep them separated by a fixed distance and a stationary loop with an attached galvanometer. if the magnets are moved back and forth, the galvanometer will move back and forth with twice the deflection magnitude as that of a single magnet moved at the same rate. proven by Michael Faraday, James Clerk Maxwell and William J Hopper and others.

What is the Figuera device
The Figuera device consist of a complimentary set of primary opposing electromagnets (Set N and Set S) between them resides an output coil/core (Y) governed by a controller part "G" that varies the currant allowed through the the primary electromagnets.
the primary electromagnets are varied in currant in unison, one taken high, the other taken low, just enough to clear the secondary then reversed. in the said action a unique condition takes place in the area the secondary output coil resides in causing the condition known as a Motional Electric Field. as both primaries are occupying the same relative space in space, we have a set of conditions where both B fields (Magnetic fields) are opposing one another therefore effectively canceling each other out. in this unique condition, both fields are effectively equal zero but the electric fields of both electromagnets remain intact therefore doubling the effective E field compared to one electromagnet alone.
by using a DC source through part G, the original source is effectively split into to two separate feeds allowing the primary electromagnets to be varied separately in unison allowing the cancellation of B fields and the additive E fields to remain to be collected by the secondary, a condition known as a pure BV field. the secondary according to the patent is "properly placed" in this area that is effectively zero B field zone but where the Electric field is actively present and doubled in strength.
Superimposed magnetic flux from the two sets of electromagnets (Set N and Set S) consists of one electromagnet with left to right spin taken high, and one electromagnet with right to left spin taken low in unison. thus we have a unique condition in the space surrounding the secondary: the resultant magnetic flux, due to superposition of fields, is zero; and the resultant motional electric field intensity is E = B1 x V1 + (-B1) x (-V2) = 2B1 x V1, or E2, double the intensity attributable to one electromagnet alone, where B1 is the magnetic flux due to the electromagnets and V1, the electron drift velocity in, say, the in and out direction. although the magnetic flux energy in the device is reduced to zero, the electromagnetic induction giving rise to what we term the "motional electric field" has by no means been canceled nor reduced in any way as both are positive and additive. this is and have been verified by William J Hooper and others.
another unique condition of the opposing primary electromagnets is that while one electromagnet is taken high, the other is taken low but in doing so in it's receding action, the rising electromagnet basically shoves the receding electromagnet out of the secondary core into it's own core from where it's magnetic field was born. this action causes a considerable amount of magnetic flux to be confined in the said core thus allowing the magnetic energy to be shoved out the back of the receding electromagnet into part G to be stored in a magnetic field for later use therefore feeding it's self every half turn of part G. if the receding electromagnet is taken down to far or the primary electromagnets are not in complete unison the pressure between them will cease and induction will fall low to the output of the peak of the rising electromagnet.
Part G
After much research into the origin and function of part G, i was able to narrow, with the help of a colleague, the origin, device and manufacturer of the part G device to Germany and Zeiss or Otto as the manufacturer. both companies produced precision variac of the highest quality and were the go to companies for quality workmanship. more then likely it was Zeiss as the dates and events are to easily lined up. one little known fact is that DC can be used through a Variac and produce similar effects of currant restriction through variation with a twist of a knob. Figuera on the other hand chose to have the core wound with one continuous wind, one end to Set N and the other to Set S all while varying the currant through the rotating brush making contact with two winding's at a time in a make before break scenario to avoid currant disruption to the primary electromagnets. this action would be detrimental to the function of the device if b emf were allowed to take place as all induction would cease and power production would come to a halt.
part G is a magnetic resistance device rarely used in today's modern world, a forgotten relic in a world of silicon ic's that can be had in any style, shape or form. part G is unique as it splits one DC feed into two separate independent feeds. this feat is accomplished through two opposing fields as the currant enters part G through it's winding's causing two opposing north magnetic fields. these two magnetic fields restrict the amount of saturation of the core restricting currant flow and through self inductance or rather dynamic self inductance (magnetics).
part G is connected to the primary electromagnets to allow the inductive kick back from the receding electromagnet to be stored in it's core every half turn of the rotating brush, thus allowing the stored magnetic field to be converted into currant feeding the primaries as the brush rotates. this action of part G is similar in action of an inductor allowing energy to be stored and used. as the brush rotates so does the magnetic field.
when constructing the device a second secondary can be wound on the output core allowing said secondary to be used for the sole purpose of powering the device to replace losses occurred through heat and wire loss, which accounts for very little aiding the inductive kickback from the declining electromagnet allowing the device to be self sustaining.
once this device is started with an external power supply, the supply can be removed and the device will run indefinitely powering what ever you so choose.

Suppression
scientist's of our present day say that free energy is "impossible" yet their are over 10,000 free energy device patents in the united states and over 40,000 globally, most of which were illegally seized by the patent office under the guise "of national security". funny thing is the US patent office is not even part of the US Government ( independently owned and operated) yet they are continuously allowed to do so, steeling average citizens free energy patent. the suppression of free energy is coming to an end as all through out the world are becoming aware of the ability to self sustain. Maxwell and Faraday proved with out a doubt, that free energy is possible. if this was not so then why did J. P. Morgan, a rich banker, spend million trying to hide the fee energy equations through Heaviside, Lorentz and possibly Einstein through bribe monies. J. P. Morgan even went so far as to pull school books and had them changed and put back into circulation. he was also responsible for the suppression of the most gifted person of our time, yours truly Nicola Tesla. reducing him to the point of feeding pigeons for the remainder of his life.
if perpetual motion is not viable, then apparently Figuera and our Universe did not get the memo, wouldn't that be awkward if the world stop spinning tomorrow.

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Old 10-25-2016, 11:27 PM
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My take on part G.

As we all know an Inductor has opposition to currant flow from the magnetic field interacting with surrounding coils causing reverse voltage to oppose original currant for a certain amount of time then the currant levels off.

in the Figuera device we have a rotating brush that makes contact with coils as it rotates, changing it's contact position continuously and dynamically. as this contact position changes the amount of winding's, core material and coil length changes also. when this continuous change takes place, so does the intensity of the inductance and thus the resistance to currant flow. the inductance is magnified or compounded by the iron core of part G to increase the resistance to currant flow. the reason Figuera chose a toroid core was because of it's extremely high efficiency in holding a magnetic field so any currant flowing in these wires will produce a stored magnetic field.
as the brush rotates the currant entering from Set N and Set S primaries will cause a N><N fields where the positive brush makes contact allowing each set to be varied separately but in complete unison. the intensity of inductance will be dynamically adjusted as the brush rotates thus complete currant control of the flow of currant through the primaries. the second secondaries are used to replace losses from heat, core and wire which amount to very little.

as one primary goes high, the other goes low but in doing so is shoved out the secondary core into it's own. when this takes place the pressure in the low core is high and at the same time the brush is opposite from that set causing a low pressure in part G thus we have currant filling part G up and stored in a magnetic field just like an Inductor would for later use.
every half turn part G gets fed from the low primaries.

Part G is wound CW from Set N to S left to right to give fields N><N field.


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Pic below is primary currant flow and winding direction.







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below is screen shot of 16 channel part G timing board in production...Woo Who !




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below is pic of part G's wire used for part G. wide i know but not many winds are needed with my thick iron laminated core on post # 2. emmmm part G.




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Hi Marathonman, good on you for starting your own thread.

I have been following the Figurea thread from the start and what you have revealed does make a lot of sense to me.

I am a big fan of mechanical switching so i will be using a Flat face 16 bar commutator to switch 16 equal taps on the toroid.

My main skills are mechanical and i will try to do Clemente justice with my build.

Have been hunting and gathering parts for a few weeks now, and hope to start work on my build in a few weeks time, as i am in the middle of Garlic harvest right now.

Will be watching to pick up pointers as you progress.

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Hello marathonman and all builders.

I have built and tested the G core in the way marathonman describes, although my windings are a little bit different in design.
I have found that the G core works exactly as was predicted by marathonman with respect to splitting the current into opposite outputs regarding High Low. One side being high the other low at the same time.

At the moment I have rounded tops (high) and nice sharp lows that come to just above zero (couple of volts).

One thing I wasn't expecting, is that at least with my set up I needed to connect both outputs to a load for it to work.

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Cornboy;

I love that end commutator pic, found one last week on the net. glad to have a haven for builders without all the ridicule from naysayers.
glad to have you aboard as i am pursuing electronic switching so having mechanical switching is a welcomed balance.
UFOP will be joining in with the mechanical also.
nice part G core,how many va is it.???

love garlic like know tomorrow, happy harvesting and good to have you aboard
we will be expecting samples.....ha, ha, ha !

Netica;

I am so glad for your accomplishment on part G. it is amazing how many people darn near pounded me into the ground saying it won't work when all they needed to do is just try the experiment. part G is a simple but amazing device, actually to simple for most complicated minds to comprehend and is highly overlooked.

that would be entirely correct, part G can not work or be measured unless it is working with a load. very good to bring that up as static testing will reveille nothing.

the sharp lows has me a little concerned though as it should be fluid like the highs are. also you probably need slightly less winding's to bring your lows no less than half way on reduction.

please post pic of work when you can (requirement) and glad to have you aboard.


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Like i said, i am pursuing electronic switching and mechanical but right now i will be concentrating on electronic.
what i have found that NOTHING can come between part G and the primaries as the half turn feeding from the low primaries cannot be interrupted or else self sustainment will not be achieved. below is a pic of my circuit used and as above reason i chose high side switching. i am using 16 channels to drive 16 high power mosfets, chose 16 for lowest on time for the least heat possible.
i am using a NPN transistor to switch a high power PNP mosfet in a make before break scenario to exactly mimic the rotating brush only. this allows my part G to perform all it's wonderful functions without any hindering of said functions. people are to overly concerned in controlling the currant or with high ohm primaries and this approach would be entirely incorrect. part G controls the currant so your primaries need to be the lowest ohms possible to get the highest possible magnetic field interaction with the secondary. primaries are doing their job of electromagnets and part G does it's job of controlling currant. lovely relationship.

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pic of part G's rotation in relation to the secondary.






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Good building Thread!! :thumbsup:

Excellent Thread MM!!,

Is good to see you having your own place here, where you can take your time to disclose all data related to your excellent self maintained and controlling device which is Part G "re-defined" for Max Operation.

Without all the noise from the rest...resulting in a lot of interference which does not allow Us to share in a clean communication directly related comments to our builds, our data, spec's and results.

Welcome Cornboy, Welcome Netica!!

It is excellent to have here such BUILDERS of Your size and reputation, working on this beautiful device!!

As I am sure Cadman, and many other great builders will also be joining Us soon.

The point here is the development of Part G according to Marathonman specifications...which is directly attached to our Primaries or Inducers.

Explaining my point of view about the way I see this System, I find a simple way by comparing it to known Mechanical Concepts...

Part G (relating it basically to the Toroid Core plus windings), is not only just a plain "Pump" as it is also the Distributing Timing Device effected on its Two Outlet-Inlet Ports which connects to the Primaries (executing Pistons).

Like any Mechanical Pump, it has Two Functions...Outflow (High Pressures) and Inflow (returning, Low Pressures), which alternately switch from one port to the other as the rotating Positive Input changes positioning during Cycles.

Part G has Two Cycles, which ends and restarts apart by exactly 180 at each port.

During each cycle it does two simultaneous functions; to build the proper pressure for output, from the rotating positive output towards the incoming port (according to Rotation), which fills up the expanding primaries. While at the other side (downside) of positive input, it creates the suction, based on lower pressures, which collects the flow coming from the retracting primaries.

Therefore, when the rotating Positive Output (Brush or Tap from electronic signal) reaches the Output Port, we could say "Pump Piston is at TDC", exhausting Max Pressure to the Expanding Primaries...While at the other 180 apart Port, is reaching Max Vacuum, Sucking Pressures, which allows the entrance flow from the fully retracting Primaries. And after this two functions reach full contact, Part G restarts the next Cycle.

Resuming, it builds positive pressures as it rotates towards the incoming (approaching) port, as it builds vacuum or negative pressures on the opposed (left behind) port.

Reaches TDC, Cycle Resumes.

Restart a new Cycle, building pressures as ports reverses functions.

Primaries are the Pump executing Pistons.

System works on Magnetic Pressures, and the Liquid flowing are the Currents.

After the System is running, loss of currents leakage is minimal in order to maintain proper magnetic pressures, therefore, very small amounts are required to make it self sustained. This very small amounts could be extracted from the secondaries main output, through any downgrade device, like a "Buck Converter" or from a lower output "second secondary" just dedicated to stabilize the minimal losses.

A closed Toroid is the only Geometry that will have minimal magnetic field losses generated within its core.


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Hello marathonman and all builders.

I have built and tested the G core in the way marathonman describes, although my windings are a little bit different in design.
I have found that the G core works exactly as was predicted by marathonman with respect to splitting the current into opposite outputs regarding High Low. One side being high the other low at the same time.
Hello Netica,

That above written are very positive results, and thanks for sharing your results here!!

It just proves that this Part G works perfectly well as explained by MM, As is the regulation of currents flow through its two ports alternatively.

Wonderful and many thanks!

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At the moment I have rounded tops (high) and nice sharp lows that come to just above zero (couple of volts).

One thing I wasn't expecting, is that at least with my set up I needed to connect both outputs to a load for it to work.

netica
Definitively -like MM wrote above- Part G needs to be connected to its "pistons" Primaries in order to work. Or simply -for testing purposes- to a couple of Incandescent Bulbs of the proper VA Ratings.

Primaries (or the Bulbs) supply "the load" plus also, they close the Power Source Negative Voltage circuit to Part G.


Would love to see the pictures of your set up.


Regards and Great work Netica!!


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I thank you UFOP for your kind words and excellent analogy.
i was to darn busy trying to explain myself in that horrible thread i neglected my build. since that crap is over i can concentrate on my build once again.

regarding part G, i have posted all over the place and NOT ONE electronic tech could explain it's function let alone calculate it. if that is what a college degree got them then i say it was a waste of money.

simple and elegant Self induction. over complicated and overlooked by most until you test it then the "wow" factor hit's you, "WOW", that was simple, easy and most of all, it works. welcome to world of part G fellas.

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Hi Marathonman, good on you for starting your own thread.

I have been following the Figurea thread from the start and what you have revealed does make a lot of sense to me.

I am a big fan of mechanical switching so i will be using a Flat face 16 bar commutator to switch 16 equal taps on the toroid.

My main skills are mechanical and i will try to do Clemente justice with my build.

Have been hunting and gathering parts for a few weeks now, and hope to start work on my build in a few weeks time, as i am in the middle of Garlic harvest right now.

Will be watching to pick up pointers as you progress.

Best Regards Cornboy.

Hello Old Friend!!


It is great to see You here!!

Like always, beautiful color pictures of very high resolution...

I see You are going for the mechanical rotary switching, the same way I am working on...You and I love high speed spinning parts!...

In the meantime here is my Power Rotary Switch (you may have seen it before)

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The reason why I build like this is to use the smallest motor available, in order to spend just "pennies" in VA energy draw...to do the switching job.



Have a happy and successful build!!


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I really don't think he will have a retraction problem with his vertical faced commutator. very good approach.

In an inductor wound on a straight rod-shaped core, the magnetic field lines emerging from one end of the core must pass through the air to re-enter the core at the other end. This reduces the field, because much of the magnetic field path is in air rather than the higher permeability core material. A higher magnetic field and inductance can be achieved by forming the core in a closed magnetic circuit. The magnetic field lines form closed loops within the core without leaving the core material. The shape often used is a toroidal or doughnut-shaped iron core. Because of their symmetry, toroidal cores allow a minimum of the magnetic flux to escape outside the core (called leakage flux), so they radiate less electromagnetic interference than other shapes.

and you have to wonder about all those bad mouthers hounding me about why i thought Figuera was using a toroid ie, iron cylinder insulated from wire.



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I really don't think he will have a retraction problem with his vertical faced commutator. very good approach.MM
Yes, agree there MM, I did not realized it was a vertical faced commutator!!

Centrifugal forces will not act directly against springs like in side ways contact.

Yes great approach.

Thanks for rectifying that. And I deleted all my confusing recommendations...done


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Fairly self explanatory about proper va of part G's core.

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i had stated in the past that the windings were ccw but wound part G cw. the correct winding in the pic CW to get the proper N><N fields. sorry why i did this i dont know.




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Thanks for the welcome guys,

MM, the toroid is 1500va and will chop up the old oven transformers for primary and secondary cores, and will pick all your brains as to wire size and lengths for winding.

UFO, thanks, the flat face commutator will allow a very compact one piece build.

Still haven't worked out how to send you guys Garlic from AU without someone interfering with it on the way.





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DROOL, DROOL, don't tease like that, love garlic. nice looking crop.
pick all you want.


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Count me in.

I haven't been able to access my photobucket account since this thread was opened so couldn't furnish pics.

I'll take some more shots tonight and try postimage.org.

@Cornboy,
You have the exact same commutator that I have. Small world huh.

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Cadman;

Many thanks for presence, glad to see you aboard. UFOP has hi regards toward you as i do myself
postimage has a desktop app that allows you to post image without going to there website. just get account API key and all pics go to your account with automatic image address for that pic. just a thought.

so what is your thought on my take of part G, just curious.

you mechanical guys are ganging up on electronic me. ha, ha ha.

Netica;

seen some of your work on youtube, nice work bro.

Word to every one;

PCBWAY has almost finished my timing board and it's only been less than 24 hrs. they never cease to amaze me on speed, quality and price.

UPDATE; PCBWAY has finished two layer 16 channel timing board in less than 24 hrs, WOW ! thats fast. awaiting packaging and shipping.
it says two to three days but they are way, way faster then most.


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I will figure out picture next!!
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Shadow;

Good to have you aboard and finally on entergetic, took a while.

postimage has a desktop app that allows you to post image without going to their website. just get account API key and all pics go to your account with automatic image address for that pic. one you have image address copy, click yellow mountain insert image button in top bar, the paste pic address, post.

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Very Welcome New Builders here!!

Hello to All,

Welcome to All new builders joining this beautiful Thread!!

@Cadman, you were expected anytime...but now an "official" !!

Btw, Photo bucket has been with issues for a while since they started that "Maintenance" in the middle of the week in working hours!!!...can get to Albums, takes for ever...etc,etc...I been thinking on going Add-less, since am pretty sure that is main issue...lower server capacity for selling so much Adds space there...is becoming very annoying!!

@At Shadow119g and I am glad you found Energetic Forum through me...on You Tube maybe?

@MM, the problem here is that we all are like students of first year on Part G...while you already did this with mechanical means ...so, we still have to go through this learning process...besides that, I must admit I do love electrodynamics...

But I love Electronics too, friend, and I will for sure get on that part in time, I love your circuit as PCB...You know I always wanted to build a sequential and programmable or adjustable timing board which could take higher currents...it is definitively required for this set up.

Hey Guys, I was reading great books...and basically Thompson Books...thanks to you Cadman!!

While back I read Thompson's work about Faraday...but that was it...

I highly recommend this Book below:

THE ELECTROMAGNET AND ELECTROMAGNETIC MECHANISM

It will teach Us how to really wind those Primaries Coils, in order that they be MUCH MORE RESPONSIVE to High Changing Current Fluctuations...as how to "structure" (actually wind them in different fashion than we normally know...) in order to obtain much less magnetic AIR leakage...imagine that?

Methods of Windings (P 201)

Plus, there is a lot, but a lot of dedicated explanations related to resistance/gauge/ types of better methods and formulas, etc,etc

ELECTROMAGNETS FOR USE WITH RAPIDLY CHANGING CURRENTS (P 209)

I believe these Books (all) are a real, real treasure...and FREE of charge!!


Enjoy it!!


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Cadman;

Many thanks for presence, glad to see you aboard. UFOP has hi regards toward you as i do myself
postimage has a desktop app that allows you to post image without going to there website. just get account API key and all pics go to your account with automatic image address for that pic. just a thought.

so what is your thought on my take of part G, just curious.

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MM,

Thanks, I'm happy to contribute what I can.

I find your take on part G very intriguing and what you say makes a lot of sense to me. Using impedance to control the signal has to be the most efficient way to go.

The inductive discharge from the inducers should be absorbed by part G, at least in part, before it ever reaches the switching mechanism. Part G acting somewhat like a choke, reacting with counter emf, and increasing it's own magnetic field in the process.

@Ufo
Also check out pg 230. Time-constants of Electromagnets.

https://play.google.com/books/reader...n&pg=GBS.PA230

Hey shadow, glad you got through to join in!

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Also check out pg 230. Time-constants of Electromagnets.

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Hello Cadman,

YES I did!!...very interesting!

As I was reading this chapter...my mind was developing new visions and new kind of windings type...

For example...that Fig 93, bottom right image...fastest parallel dual Interacting coils...according to their "C" Cores facing each others...it does have some use for Dual usage of poles at primaries Uh?...


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Exclamation Rats

Google messes up account again, can't get above links.

third party cookie block was checked. good.

my only problem i have is the links talk about currant time delay in Electromagnets. Figuera new this and ellieviated this problem out of his design by not taking his Electromagnets below half way and never zero. also very low ohmage and self inductance, this approach makes his Electromagnets very, very responsive to currant changes. just something to concider.

Cadman;
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"The inductive discharge from the inducers should be absorbed by part G, at least in part, before it ever reaches the switching mechanism. Part G acting somewhat like a choke, reacting with counter emf, and increasing it's own magnetic field in the process."

Very well put .

it is quite comforting to know i am amoung intelligent, reasoning, mind using individuals.

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