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Old 02-27-2017, 11:14 PM
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Thumbs up Part G

Shadow;

Nice looking mount, man that motor sure looks good mounted. was wondering if you plan to mount another piece of plexy to mount your speed control and electronics on in front or beside the motor.?
just curious.

it will when i an finished.

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Part G is the whole key to the device. trying to change the primary, secondary configurations will do nothing but confuse and waste time.

once part G is set the rest will follow. the words of Doug are shouting at me hard, build the original first the go hog wild after that.

income tax almost here, build time will recommence.

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Old 02-28-2017, 01:59 PM
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"mount another piece of plexy to mount your speed control and electronics/'

Great idea, the speed control will be mounted nest to the Tachometer.
I have two tachometers from years ago...will try those first.

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Old 03-04-2017, 01:23 PM
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Thumbs up this is a good thing

It will look good shadow when you are finished.

Motor and controls are coming as are brushes, will be here next week.

new job is going great, owner loves me so i see many great things in the horizon.

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Old 03-11-2017, 01:14 PM
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Sorry i haven't been posting, have been working a lot of hours and am exhausted when i come home crashing at 8 pm.
still need some parts to come in and will try to post some next weekend when i get a chance to build.

Heard some BS on the news that car manufacturers are going to charge more for high mileage cars from the added expense. what a crock of SH*T.
in 1933 Pogue designed a carb that got 100 mpg, in 1975 a design got 150 MPG then again in 1983 GM did a study on a carb that got 258 MPG that vaporized the fuel. why do you think Butyl is used in the production of fuel, to foul up high mileage carb's. it renders them useless in a very short time. there is no other reason for the additives those crooks use them for other then greedy profit.
Our Governments and Corporate greedy thugs are out to get your money to keep you at poverty level.
that is why this device is so important to the people of this world, to stop the suppression and advancement of each and every one of you. having this device will stop them from steeling your money and using it against you.

I dream of a free society where each individual can pursue their dreams to it's fullest.

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Old 03-25-2017, 01:32 PM
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Sorry again for the delays in posting, money just doesn't go very far these days. had bills i plum forgot about that again left me broke but i got a four dollar an hour raise on my job yesterday so this coming friday i will get everything i need to resume my build and testing.

I have today off so i will be reviewing my notes and hopefully will come up with a solution to the problems people are experiencing with their part G. energy in the Figuera device is reused and not destroyed or wasted due to part G and it's inductive qualities of storing power in the form of an magnetic field for later use. this very feature can not be obtained by using resistors in any way, shape or form. some are completely oblivious to the fact that just because the patent doesn't say it specifically that it is not happening and this would be your mistake and yours only.

a condition that is happening in one part of the device does not mean it will necessarily happen in another part as the same conditions are not met causing a different condition or reaction to take place. by observing the actions and conditions of each part separately will allow one to see much more clearer. for one just to say that energy is not reused or recycled would be so far from the truth, just because the patent did not specifically say so is hilarious in it's self and if this is your belief then you are denying yourself from the truth and the glory of this device.

part G is basically a large inductor with self inductance and as we all know, well at least most of us that an inductor stores energy in the form of a magnetic field thus when the power drops the inductor will dump some of that power back into the system. every time power is introduced to the inductor it will store it as a magnetic field but because all systems are inherently losssy a portion of the output must be used to replace the losses through heat, wire and core losses.

well got to study so i will talk later.
keep up the tests folks, the end can't be to far away.

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Old 04-04-2017, 07:32 PM
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Still!

HA HA
I am still working on my part G and may start all over again.
Just the way things work!
However....I can be stubborn and "NEVER GIVE UP"
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Hi All, there will be no giving up from me either, been delayed with Planting garlic, 500mm of flood rain, and the consequences.

Also needing materials and tools etc, but only go to town once a fortnight.

Back on track soon hopefully.

@ Shadow, i feel for you.


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Old 04-10-2017, 10:33 PM
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Exclamation still chugging along

Haven't had much time to do much myself as my new job has taken up all my time and working 6 days a week doesn't leave much time for much leasure activity. idiots at the electronic store screwed up my order again, now i think they got it right and rest of parts are coming. i will be working on the controller and part G.

After reviewing all my notes it seams in my haste i overlooked an important issue with part G. while i was correct that the wire was thick to handle many amps i overlooked the fact that the reduction of currant and or voltage is dependent on the wires field interacting on the wire next to it and amplified by the core causing the reduction in the first place. after reviewing what Doug had used for his core and style of winding i have deduced that Doug had used around 100 plus winds on his core therefore while my thick wire will still get better reduction i am still lacking in enough currant and or voltage reduction to be at proper functionality.
I therefore will be stripping my part G and rewinding it with 10 awg square wire then hitting it with a surface grinder for smooth brush contact then building the controller on top of that. after i have a successful part G i will the redesign the electronic board to mimic the exact properties of part G controller to the T.




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Old 04-12-2017, 08:01 PM
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Well it is about time i got the good parts in. my three phase brush motor came in and here is a pic. I will be building the housing for the motor and the mounts for the tach and speed controller this week end. hopefully i will get to a point that i can take more pics on progress. plexy did not come in so i might use wood, not that i want to i just want to build and have forward progress. darn job has taken all my time but i have this week end off.
sorry for the delay but i had no say so in the mater.

Happy building everyone.

This motor is absolutely Gorgeous.



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Old 04-22-2017, 12:45 PM
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Please let me where you got your Tachometer.

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Old 04-23-2017, 02:07 PM
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Thumbs up Tach RPM Meter

I bought this one of of EBAY for 16 bucks free shipping. you can get them cheaper from China or Hong Kong but the delivery will take up to June 1rst and i did not want to wait that long. the tach is four digit up to 9999 RPM.

this one is three wire sensor in which i will not use because the motor has the 3, three wire Hall sensors all ready built in so it will be a breeze to hook up. plus i will have a sensor for a spare if i need it in the future.

it really doesn't matter which sensor wire you hook it up to, they all have a common ground that's grey, VCC + yellow then any one of the leads #1 brown, #2 blue and #3 orange.



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Old 04-24-2017, 02:35 PM
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I will order one in a few minuets!
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Old 05-08-2017, 09:01 PM
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Tach does not work with the three phase motor. it seams that it can't read the bemf or zero crossing and just sits at zero.
i have tried wiring different ways but end with the same results. any one on this thread of followers can come up with a solution i would be very grateful.

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Tach does not work with the three phase motor. it seams that it can't read the bemf or zero crossing and just sits at zero.
i have tried wiring different ways but end with the same results. any one on this thread of followers can come up with a solution i would be very grateful.

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Hello MM,

Normally the Tach needs just one wire as the trigger (maybe the yellow one shown at pic), while the red and black are positive negative to source.

If your motor have a sensor (some motors do not have it -(since they use one phase as the sensor)- then the tach trigger is located in the Controller)
Another option would be to derive one phase wire from motor (yellow phase maybe?)to tach trigger yellow wire.

Normally the wire color codes for Phases are Green, Blue and Yellow in a three phase BLDC Motor...


Good luck Friend


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Old 05-10-2017, 02:18 AM
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I think with three phase two are required as i have read and the color codes of the motor are as stated on post 522.
this motor has three sensors.
I will contact the manufacture of the motor to straighten this out and i will let you know shadow as to the outcome.

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Old 05-11-2017, 07:05 PM
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I am thinking any small magnet would trigger the RPM counter instead of the washer looking magnet that came with the counter.
I haven't tried it yet.

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I am thinking any small magnet would trigger the RPM counter instead of the washer looking magnet that came with the counter.
I haven't tried it yet.

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Hello Shadow,


If you guys just Scope-Probe one Commutator (any) element and set that channel to Frequency it would give you directly the operating hertz based on RPM's, just verify it with a hand held tach...then based on the motor Input at that -desired frequency of 60 Hz- would do the 3600 RPM's/60 Hz every time you set it to it...

Just to give you a momentary (or definite) solution...not to stop your tests


Take care and good build


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I am very sorry for the delay in posting. taking Kids camping and lots of logistics when dealing with other people kids. since i had no camping gear i had to buy it all and god knows camping gear is very expensive....ie. 20 man tent, three burner stove, griddle, chairs, ice chests and the list goes on and on.

I have my wire for part G rewind but will not rewind until after i get back from the camping trip. can't wait to get refocused on part G. primaries and secondaries are totally awesome so the main focus will be on part G, the mistical dynamic inductor.

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Multiple messages to manufacture and NO response yet Shadow. i found this little circuit that may help us. i will put it together and test it out.

really makes me mad that there is no response from the manufacture of this motor....great customer service.



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When half of part G lets say to set S is decreasing (brush rotation), energy is being released from the magnetic field in to the system feeding the increasing set N while the other half set N is storing energy in the magnetic field (brush rotation) to feed set S the next half turn. each cycle feeds the next high primary but since no system built by man is lossless the input from the secondary is needed to replace losses from heat, wire and core losses which doesn't amount to much since currant requirements will drop once the system is up and running. once running the original power supply can be removed and the secondary will replace the little losses as needed. the magnetic fields are kept separate because of the N-N field at the positive brush so each field can be charging or discharging separately in a complete and orderly fashion. they also rotate with the brush.

thus the energy is in fact recycled over and over only to replace what is lost.

I hope this clears things up a little

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Adding to the above post, when the low side of part G is discharging feeding set N the inductive kick back from set S electromagnets are being shoved in part G at the brush at the same time. this causes an addition of power to set N higher then what would normally be fed to it since your combining three sources of power you attain the amplification factor Doug has so stated. there will be a momentary voltage surge to the high primaries. this amplification process takes place every half turn of the rotating brush at the high primary from the low discharging side.

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The two magnetic fields inside of part G being North face magnetic fields at the rotating brush, (which is a reactor) allows each side of the brush to act as independent reactors so being separated and independent, one can be charging as the other is discharging in complete unison and vise verse.
currant is constantly flowing because part G is kept in a constant imbalanced state seeking equilibrium that never happens. the discharging side along with the inductive kickback from the low primary and the secondary at the brush causes an amplification or high pressure in half of part G that flows to the increasing side to seek equilibrium that never takes place.
each half turn this process takes place.

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"Remember how a squirrel cage motor works. There is no current or voltage going into the rotor. It develops it's own current through induction and establishes it's own magnetic field only as a result of the relative motion between the rotating field and the core. If the core catches up to the rotating field the relative motion is reduced and the current in the rotor reduces slowing down the rotor until the relative motion is fast enough to induce a stronger field in the rotor so it can be pushed around by the rotating field again. They don't combine into mutual fields as that would stop the relative motion. Without having a rotating rotor like the squirrel cage motor to provide the difference between the rotating field and the induced field on the rotor it takes a bit of creative thinking to accomplish the same effect in a stationary condition of the cores in clemente's generator. Maybe that will resonate with classical training. There is no electrical connection from primary to secondary and after induction in the secondary from the primary's, it produces current in the secondary (Y) which creates another field inside Y they part company and the primaries become the motive force that exerts motion onto Y provided Y is a closed circuit with resistance of it's own." ( ie. a load.)

So from the pic below, once the secondaries create it's own field the primaries can quite easily move the field from side to side changing the direction of EMF producing AC. in the case of the Figuera Generator a load has to be present for the device to work like the voltage regulator of a standard Generator, the regulator is the phantom load and the small fraction of the secondary in the Figuera device is the phantom load.

the load requirements from the secondary are further reduced by the low primaries being basically shoved out of the secondary into it's own core as it is reducing. as it has been stated that the magnetic field is just reducing not retracting but the coil see's this as retracting and produces voltage and currant in the coil. this power is what is shoved into part G at the brush along with the reducing field in half of part G's low side to attain the amplification that has been stated in the above post.



As part G spins, what is changing is the amount of self induction, reverse EMF, the resistance to currant flow (Magnetically) through the brush rotation on the coil wound around the core. the core amplifies this self induction and thus regulates the currant of the twin inductors or reactors that are kept separate by two north face magnetic poles. each are independent but in complete unison, one increasing, storing energy from the system, one decreasing, releasing energy into the system.
the secondary is there to replace losses occurred in the process.

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The magnetic field created by the currant flowing through the conductor opposes the original currant flow. this magnetic field is then amplified by the core as reverse EMF to curtail the currant flow through part G on a dynamic basis. since the currant will equalize over a period of time, Figuera rotated the brush to dynamically change the currant on a steady basis through addition or subtraction of coil winding's as the brush rotated. thus two coils in opposite direction being of positive nature will have two north opposing magnetic fields allowing each one to operate separately but in complete unison. they have the same attributes as the primaries as constant pressure is maintained between them and since there are at least two contacts at a time, this is the perfect avenue to inject the secondary output, the power from the decreasing electromagnet plus the reducing side of part G to attain the amplification to the increasing electromagnet.

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