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Old 06-21-2016, 12:39 PM
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Ernst , thank you very much for your effort. You are right about magnifying transmitter, but I think it is obsolete now...The Tesla second method is better suitable for current world (if not restricted by politics)
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Awesome workd Ernst! Got in the first comment in Youtube - if there is anything I need to change in that rather enthusiastic comment let me know soon - not sure how long I have to edit it.
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Thanks for the kind comments.
It has been very frustrating to work on this alone and not being able to talk with others or comment on work by others. Now that the dust settles I see there is too much of this frustration in this video, some of which should have been replaced with some more useful explanation of the processes involved.
But we still have the document and this thread.
So let's continue.
The PCR provide heat to the Earth which is conducted through our atmosphere. This heat is (in our atmosphere) the kinetic energy of electrons and not the temperature that one feels, and it creates a rise of (negative) potential, just as additional electrons would.
The SCR provide free electrons in our atmosphere. Not very many, but enough to act as seeds to create an avalanche effect.
In an electric discharge, the sudden expansion of charges cools the electrons involved.
This 'cold' attracts heat from neighbouring atoms and free charges. This flow of energy ioonizes atoms nearby creating more free charges that are consequently added to the discharge. Then the electric and magnetic fields forces them to flow with the other charges in the discharge, so they can not increase the temperature of the discharge.
So the discharge remains cold and keeps attracting heat.
This process would never stop if it wasn't for the fact that the center of the magnetic 'donut' surrounding the discharge moves to the end of the discharge and thus weakens the effect until it stops.
The most important effects here are caused by a rapid change in electric potential and of course the expansion.
In a stepped leader we see the formation of an ionized channel around the initial discharge. This channel can be 1-10m in diameter clearly indicating that this is NOT the discharge itself, but effects arounnd this discharge. The air around the discharge ionizes because of the energy that flows through it towards the discharge. The mainly magnetic effect pushes the charges towards the end of the step, from which a new step is initiated.
This leaves a channel of ionized air which is emptied once it hits the ground. Notice that these charges do not originate from the thundercloud, but from the air below.
This is the process Tesla wants to copy as a source of electrical energy.


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Old 06-22-2016, 10:22 AM
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Hi Ernst,

I have been following the works and writings of Tesla since the early 1960's when I found a book about him in my high school library. Of course there was nothing ever mentioned about him in either a history class or science class back then. Only much later did I understand why he was not mentioned. Of course in the last 10 years or so everybody is claiming to know the "Tesla Secrets".

Thanks for all your efforts to bring some truth and real knowledge about Tesla to the light. I have been reading both documents you have shared and will also be watching closely this thread. I have also watched the videos you have posted links to.

I can really appreciate all the hours it must have taken to gather all that information. And also the many hundreds of hours it must have taken to find and toss out all the garbage that has been written about Tesla. I am sure there are many others who also appreciate your efforts and just haven't taken time to post their thanks.

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Beste Ernst,

Exciting times ahead! I think the video is good. As a mere bistander i could not feel the frustration, besides there is this charming dutch accent

I don't think the alternative energy community will help spread the word, nor able to disrupt the current status quo. It is like preaching to the choir, besides being heavily burdened under its own dogma's. As i understand from your own words, current science is not interested either.

There is however a growing shift in global consensus of commercial companies to conduct business in a social and environmentally responsible manner. Still making the dollar bill, but use these bucks to make this world a better place. Especially new innovative (tech) companies seem to follow these business ethics.

One of these company's is Tesla Motors (yes the apple does not have to fall very far from the tree). For example all Tesla Motor patents are OUR patents (the company will allow its technology patents be used by anyone in good faith), just like your philosofy.

I also see many synergy benefits between Tesla Motors and this TMT technology. Even if the technology's only use in first instance would be to keep the old-tech batteries charged anywhere.

If I was you Ernst, I would boldly contact Elon Musk.

Wait, let me rephrase. If I was Elon, I would be more then willing to listen to your story.

Dutch would say "You never know how a cow catches a hare".

I know many here would frown upon my view/suggestion. However, Tesla knew back in the days, you need money to be able to realise dreams, especially big dreams. This holds true till date.

Good luck to you and your endeavors!

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Shared the info with the Radionics Yahoo group of Bruce Perreault. I believe his work has some similarities to this concept. Much of it was originally based on the study of Henry Moray's device which was that tabletop box that apparently was getting 5000 watts using an antenna although it was likely using some radioactive substances too but I think it needed that to pull in power from the atmosphere or surrounding air. I'm a little hazy on the details of that as I haven't looked at it for a long while but anyway it's posted with the group there to hopefully add to the interest.
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Thank you Ernst

Thank you Ernst for all the obvious hard work you have put into this. Tesla would be proud!

There is a lot of information to digest in the document so after another read I'll be posing some questions.

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Old 06-23-2016, 01:49 AM
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thank you all for your kind words!

The video is doing better than all my previous video's but not nearly as good as I had hoped.
No 95000, no 12000, not even 1000 yet....

@Slick,
When I was 17 or thereabout I used to sing Madness songs with my friends, copying their London accent. Then one time when I was in London, the taxidriver asked me where I was from? What part of London? Because usually he could tell straightaway, but he could not put a North or South to my accent. The fact that he thought I was from London was the greatest compliment he could make at that time. On tv we heard our PM speaking some hiddeous English that should fill all Dutch with embarrasment, and that was an incentive for us to try and do MUCH better (be'er )
Now I live in a country where people speak baby-English and there is very little singing with friends anymore and now you can recognize my accent....

Yes, I agree Elon should be interested. But I think you misjudge the situation.
If you were Elon, you would have many emails every day of people who did 'find' Tesla's secret. You would quickly get tired of that, and also, you'd already have a Tesla coil and know that it only consumes power.
You would not listen to the crazy Dutchman.
Just like any scientist that I spoke to, the moment they hear "Tesla", their brain goes into standby mode and there is no more exchange of information possible.
Then there is the Breakthrough Energy Coalition... But he who knocks on the BEC-door, knocks in vain. I don't even think their mailbox is read.
I was hoping to create some commotion here with the help of Aaron and the Tesla communities, and then this would draw attention and Elon (or someone else, preferably without a murder weapon) would come to me.

So Aaron, are you still in?


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thank you all for your kind words!

The video is doing better than all my previous video's but not nearly as good as I had hoped.
No 95000, no 12000, not even 1000 yet....

@Slick,
When I was 17 or thereabout I used to sing Madness songs with my friends, copying their London accent. Then one time when I was in London, the taxidriver asked me where I was from? What part of London? Because usually he could tell straightaway, but he could not put a North or South to my accent. The fact that he thought I was from London was the greatest compliment he could make at that time. On tv we heard our PM speaking some hiddeous English that should fill all Dutch with embarrasment, and that was an incentive for us to try and do MUCH better (be'er )
Now I live in a country where people speak baby-English and there is very little singing with friends anymore and now you can recognize my accent....

Yes, I agree Elon should be interested. But I think you misjudge the situation.
If you were Elon, you would have many emails every day of people who did 'find' Tesla's secret. You would quickly get tired of that, and also, you'd already have a Tesla coil and know that it only consumes power.
You would not listen to the crazy Dutchman.
Just like any scientist that I spoke to, the moment they hear "Tesla", their brain goes into standby mode and there is no more exchange of information possible.
Then there is the Breakthrough Energy Coalition... But he who knocks on the BEC-door, knocks in vain. I don't even think their mailbox is read.
I was hoping to create some commotion here with the help of Aaron and the Tesla communities, and then this would draw attention and Elon (or someone else, preferably without a murder weapon) would come to me.

So Aaron, are you still in?


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Thank you for the extraordinary effort. The video and the document are very dense information necessitates a lot of reading to attain to your conclusion.

Most of us coming from the mainstream it require a complete twist of mindset.

If you donít see a flood of comments the basic reason IMHO might be

1, you directed our courtesy to the simplicity of the process that made it hard to find clear indications pointing us where to be next!
I.e. when I knock a door visiting someone normally I expect the same door to open or not, but not every door in the entire city

2, the concept of the CBR either or the PCR and SCR are well accepted in the Standard Model.

3, you created a situation similar to ATLAS and CMS experiments shed light on Higgs properties | CERN where Higgs Boson fitted exactly the standard model expectation and created a situation like In Theory: Is theoretical physics in crisis? | CERN

Until some of us wake up get ourselves together again you have to be very patient. It might be a while before you reach where you think you are heading.

Thank you for your extraordinary effort.

Hope it helps
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Hi Ernst,

I posted this earlier today: Tesla's Self-Acting Engine? - A & P Electronic Media

Soon, I will put that in a newsletter, which is overdue anyway. It will go out to quite a few people.

I did look at your references for the "key" and I watched your video. I did not thoroughly review your document #3 that outlines all of this because I don't have time to examine a 66 page document at this time. I understand your comparison between the self-acting engine and the TMT and find it interesting and have to agree that there are some philosophical equivalencies, but I cannot say I agree with it outside of the basic analogy in regards to technical specifics. That does not mean that I will not help to promote your work because I believe other points of view deserve attention as not one person has figured it all out.

What I would like to know is what experiments would you like to conduct that will either prove or disprove your claims? You made references to the fact that you seem to be moving towards a proof.

Eric Dollard has already proven the TMT methods of longitudinal dielectric transmission since the 1970's, but are you saying that you have significant "overunity" claims in regards to the TMT that you can actually show because that essentially is what Tesla is claiming for the self-acting engine, which is something that Eric has steered away from claiming.

If my basic points of understanding of what you're attempting to share are off base, then please let me know. I do support your work and want to share it regardless of my own personal understanding or belief in it.
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Old 06-23-2016, 06:30 AM
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Thanks Aaron! I'd very much appreciate your help.
I understand your point of view. For a moment I thought of giving you a few page numbers in my document so to get you more quickly up to date. But I found I can not create a short cut.
You could just read the last 2 pages, then you will know but most probably not understand nor agree. You would really have to read most of the document.
I may be able to give a few page numbers that you could skip...

I have read and enjoyed Peter's interpretation of the self-acting engine.

I thought the document includes 1 or 2 supporting experiments, but no definite proof that it will work. That is not the purpose of the document. The purpose is to show what Tesla tells us. As I said earlier, I think with modern electronics (or even tubes if you insist) it may be possible to provide proof on a much smaller scale.
I will go into more detail later, but if that works, that would increase the value of this system many-fold.
To get some idea of what I am thinking of, look here.

Again, thank you for your support!

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@Ernst

Thank you for the extraordinary effort. The video and the document are very dense information necessitates a lot of reading to attain to your conclusion.

Most of us coming from the mainstream it require a complete twist of mindset.

If you donít see a flood of comments the basic reason IMHO might be

1, you directed our courtesy to the simplicity of the process that made it hard to find clear indications pointing us where to be next!
I.e. when I knock a door visiting someone normally I expect the same door to open or not, but not every door in the entire city

2, the concept of the CBR either or the PCR and SCR are well accepted in the Standard Model.

3, you created a situation similar to ATLAS and CMS experiments shed light on Higgs properties | CERN where Higgs Boson fitted exactly the standard model expectation and created a situation like In Theory: Is theoretical physics in crisis? | CERN

Until some of us wake up get ourselves together again you have to be very patient. It might be a while before you reach where you think you are heading.

Thank you for your extraordinary effort.

Hope it helps
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Thanks JJ,
The document follows the line of Tesla's article, that is in line with the purpose of the document but it is not the easiest way to present the information. For that reason I added a few introduction posts in this thread, hoping that would help the overal readability.
There are a number of differences between the CBR on one side and PCR and SCR on the other. In particular PCR are in my opinion a bit outside mainstream science... Make that quite a bit.

If you wish me to elaborate, just ask, but I will leave it here for now.


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Old 06-23-2016, 10:54 AM
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small scale verification

This is my idea, (not Tesla's)

When I switch on my SEC I can see a brief rise in temperature (measured with an IR- thermometer) and when I switch it off a brief dip. I do not want the rise, but I do want the dip.
So by switching it on slowly, the generated heat will be dissipated to the environment if it is generated at all. Then switching it of suddenly will cool the electricity.
With a coil that is operating in this manner I see two effects that normally occur only at voltages over 1MV:
- the discharges get much longer (easily 20x) than expected
- I do not know how to describe this, but I see a similarity in the appearance of the discharge

For these 3 reasons (theory + 2 observations) I think the same effect may be obtained at voltages in the 10KV+ range.
See attached diagram.
The diodes and caps must be able to withstand the voltages produced by the coil (of course).
At hvstuff.com you can find diodes up to 80KV and large polystyrene caps.

What is not shown in the diagram is that the receiving electrode in the spark-gap (the right one) should be bigger (make it a metal ball) than the sending electrode (left one) which can be a needle. You will have to play a bit with the spark gap distance, too small you won't attract many charges, too long you lose too much energy.

If someone wants to test this idea, feel free to do so.
As long as you don't commercialize it, you are free to test and use it. (we have a patent on this)

I will be testing this too, but if you arrive at results before I do, please post it here!

And Elon, if you read this, that will be 3 model S's for me, please.


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Yes, I agree Elon should be interested. But I think you misjudge the situation.
If you were Elon, you would have many emails every day of people who did 'find' Tesla's secret. You would quickly get tired of that, and also, you'd already have a Tesla coil and know that it only consumes power.
You would not listen to the crazy Dutchman.
Just like any scientist that I spoke to, the moment they hear "Tesla", their brain goes into standby mode and there is no more exchange of information possible.
Then there is the Breakthrough Energy Coalition... But he who knocks on the BEC-door, knocks in vain. I don't even think their mailbox is read.
I was hoping to create some commotion here with the help of Aaron and the Tesla communities, and then this would draw attention and Elon (or someone else, preferably without a murder weapon) would come to me.

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I am aware of the situation. I would not recommend emailing (nor knocking on the front door), just like I would not recommend the cow to chase the hare in order to catch it.

Always go for the back door where the guards are down. Not the front which often has a structure in place to bounce bull****, judged by people not exactly qualified to recognize a nugget. But I feel I am now stating the obvious since You are a crazy, clever, stubborn little bugger (I consider these properties assets). But you are wrong, he would not listen. If one studies the person Elon, one must conclude, he also can be defined a crazy, clever, stubborn little bugger. You'd be speaking the same language.

Some creativity is essential. I just wanted to plant a seed to make people think about opportunities outside the known and logical fields. Remember You're only are 6 handshakes away from the president. I know there are some South African members here. If some guy knows a guy who knows a guy? Make it happening!

I will now go in bistander modus as to not clutter up the thread too much.

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It seems this Steinmetz paper that Eric Dollard posted over in the Charge Conserving Capacitive Spring thread might be of some relevance. It talks about multigap lightning arrestors and lightning discharges having longer coronal discharges than the amount of voltage potential available to initiate such discharges. http://www.energeticforum.com/171748-post246.html

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Thanks Slick,
I hope that seed will sprout. To increase our chances we should water it with lots of exposure and I understand that is being worked on.

Here is a picture of early experiments in this field. In the middle is a very small top-load of a coil producing 500-520 KV. This discharges to the right in thin blueish streams onto a ring surrounding the top-load. This ring consequently discharges to a ground wire on the left.
You will notice that this second discharge is fat and bright white indicating a high current, while the first discharge appears to have much less current.
So somehow charge must have been added.


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So somehow charge must have been added.
Anesthetic

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I think that more recent observations of lightning, including the work of Tom Warner, have provided sufficient proof that Steinmetz's assumption in this particular case was not true.

aljhoa,
I do not understand the relevance of the first video, nor of the name you added to it.
I have seen much of Tom's work, it is very useful for lightning research and very fascinating to watch even if you're not a researcher.


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Just stumbled across an interesting tidbit about aquifers being under the Wardenclyffe tower as well as under the great pyramid of Egypt which was said to be an electrical generator - this video discusses some of this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZrT82n4rhaU

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Yes, that is what I meant with the many theories....
Good points in this video:
- we did not evolve in a linear way from primitive to more advanced.
In my opinion our current society was born in Rome (baby), grew up during the middle ages (toddler), became a young teenager around 1700 and is now in puberty; a rather volatile age.
Since our society does not have any parental guidance we are bound for another rather painful mistake before reaching a more mature situation.
- there were advanced civilizations in the past, but they have disappeared. Could it be that their advanced parents invented x-boxes and that the youth lost interest in anything else. Then when the batteries were empty, all that remained was stupidity. We see a similar process today where people openly admit they believe in a flat world.
Bad points:
- granite is an excellent conductor. Not really! Copper, which was also widely used would have been hundreds of times better. Why then turn to granite for a conductor?
- granite is slightly radioactive which helps to ionize the air. I think the number of ionized air atoms near a 1 Kg granite stone can be counted on the fingers of 1 hand. If ionization was required, surely they must have had better options.
- comparing the aquafer to that on Long Island. These structures (pyramid and tower) are also both build on Earth and extend into the atmosphere. So does the Eiffel tower, which is also near a river and has nothing to do with power generation. The main reason for Tesla to build at Long Island was that that was the most logical place for transatlantic communication.
Tesla did not plan on using electricity generated by the aquafer, there is no such statement or even hint by Tesla. Tesla used a 200 KW generator that was installed in the accompanying building. (and very well documented)
- comparing the pyramids to Tesla's wireless system is a giant leap of imagination. Based on absolutely no evidence whatsoever. The images shown, of what could be an electric lamp, also show a cable connected to it at the bottom.
- the mention that Tesla was successful in transmission of sound and images at Wardenclyffe is not based on any historical fact.
- that the pyramids still produce electricity which can be seen as sparks jumping from a metal ball held at the top, is disproven by the image at 7:29 showing sharp metal points at the top of the pyramid without a trace of electrical sparks.
- that the stone chest in the kings chamber would have held the arc of covenant is a ridiculous conjecture. If you really study the pyramids, you would find that they were build more than 10,000 years ago and that was before there was an arc of covenant. That this arc was a super conductor is an equally ridiculous conjecture based on no fact whatsoever, and so is the mention of that this chest needed a super conductor to make the whole system work.

I am not going to discus this any further. The whole point of my work was to steer away from conjectures and look at facts. That is what the 66 pages are intended to show.
One can disagree with some of my interpretations, but no one can deny that my work is based on the work of Tesla and that my interpretation makes perfect sense all throughout Tesla's work.


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I agree there were some things that didn't sound quite right in there but mostly put it up as a question about whether the aquifer might have an effect on the function of this. Yes I caught that about granite being a conductor too - LOL. I think you have clarified everything
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Thanks Jimboot. Unfortunately (in this case) I am not into facebook. I do not trust such media. I could of course set up an all-fake account (isn't that what everybody else is doing? ) but.... well.... perhaps, if all else fails.

Someone mentioned Chernetskii in a comment to one of my video's and googling that name I found that he might have been on the same track. He only tries to explain everything with 'known physics' and is unaware of the 'charge temperature' as I mentioned here earlier.
I think that without this temperature effect it will be impossible to arrive at a complete working model that describes these effects.
I can not find much of Chernetskii's original work, though....


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That Chernetsky ?

A.V. Chernetskii -- Self-Generating Discharge Plasma
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Thanks Jimboot. Unfortunately (in this case) I am not into facebook. I do not trust such media. I could of course set up an all-fake account (isn't that what everybody else is doing? ) but.... well.... perhaps, if all else fails.


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You are smart not to trust Facebook.. unless you are a customer. THe bulk of ppl on it are not customers. They are the product. Anyway if you need a hand let me know. The powerful/creepiness of FB is the awesome demographic targeting. It's scary creepy good for getting a message in front of the right people.
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@bogus,
Yes, that one.

@Jimboot,
I sent you a PM.


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Maybe just find someone that looks like they have some interest in Tesla or energy and ask them to put up your video link on FB ? I don't do FB either so not sure if that would work - just a thought.
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Ernst,

I have some newsletters queued up so after 1pm pacific time on Tuesday the 5th, you will see a spike in traffic to your video. The video is embedded in my blog and that doesn't always give an accurate view count on your youtube video, so there will be way more people watching it than you can monitor in your youtube stats.

Also, this thread will get more traffic and many people will download your document from Google Drive.
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ewiz, dR-Green has put it on the Tesla Society UK group page on FB. 12K people who 'look like they are interested in Tesla'. That got me about 70 views + about 30 for my other video's.
The good thing is that apart from Africa and South America, I have at least 1 view in almost every country. The bad thing is that the total number of views has not crossed the 500 line, yet.
But I am sure Aaron will change that.


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OK, I told you the key is that electricity is caused by a gaseous medium.
Here is a demonstration of something very similar but with air instead of electricity.

(with electricity it is more interesting and more complex, but still, this demo would help understanding one of the principles)



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